Civil War in Southern California?

[BeFree]

Just saw the news from LA.

Seems some Mexicans are trying to take back their grandfather's lands. Saying stuff like getting the white people off their lands.

Is this the beginning of a civil war? What have we unleashed?

[Quakerfriend]

1. Huh? What did you see??

Are people in the streets?

[BeFree]

4. Yes.

Thousands of people in the streets. Hundreds of thousands, maybe.

On edit: as posted below, it may have been 50,000. All I know, it was big.

[Tempest]

7. The protests had nothing to do with taking back land

Yeesh.

[BeFree]

9. Really?

What were they protesting?

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[Tempest]

26. They were protesting immigration

How much more clearly could it have been made?

I'm still waiting for evidence from you it had anything to do with a land grab.

[FrankBooth]

2. Incitive nonsense

Get a grip.

[BeFree]

8. Just reporting what I saw.

Overhead pictures looking down at people in the street and the words of the talking heads about why they were protesting.

It could get nasty. The majority rules, it has been said. Hence my question. Sorry if it incites you.

[petronius]

17. Sounds like you were watching Faux...

It's a protest, march, demonstration, etc. - hardly a civil war. You might want to listen to some less-ignorant 'talking heads'.

[BeFree]

20. I usually do...

...but happened upon this report. That's why I asked: What have we unleashed? They were talking civil war (see post below) and they do run things, but still, I should have written: What have they unleashed?

[Stand and Fight]

3. Oh give us a break....

Sheesh. :eyes:

The frickin sky is falling!

[stillcool]

5. society breaking down....

from MLK...4 April 1967....

During the past ten years, we have seen emerge a pattern of suppression which has now justified the presence of U.S. military advisors in Venezuela. This need to maintain social stability for our investments accounts for the counterrevolutionary action of American forces in Guatemala. It tells why American helicopters are being used against guerrillas in Cambodia and why American napalm and Green Beret forces have already been active against rebels in Peru.

It is with such activity in mind that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

[BeFree]

10. Wow

I've read those words before, only now do they really hit home.

So, JFK was a revolutionary?

[tocqueville]

6. there is a 50 000 march in San Diego

report here

http://www.kfmb.com/


April 10 Picked As Another Immigration Protest Day
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(AP) LOS ANGELES Sweeping immigration reform legislation may have stalled on Capitol Hill, but pro-immigrant demonstrations are still planned across the country Monday.

Organizers picked April 10th weeks ago as a day of protests.

Activists say the Senate's decision to quash a bill that would have given many illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship is neither a cause for celebration nor a lost opportunity, it's a chance to regroup.

Across California over 20 events are planned Monday, ranging from a rally in Bakersfield to a ceremony in San Diego dedicated to immigrants who've died while trying to illegally cross the border.

In Los Angeles, Cardinal Roger Mahony, who has been at the forefront of the Catholic Church's calls for activism in support of illegal immigrants, planned to lead a candlelight vigil.

[PassingFair]

12. "at the forefront of the Catholic Church's calls for activism"

the catholic church is in league with the devil on this one.

First Anti-Choice.
Then Anti-Civil Union.

Now they are paying for and inciting protests
that would allow corporations to continue to
pay sub-living wages to Americans.

Bah!

Where are the protests against the Catholic Church!?!

[tocqueville]

14. heh we have all the ingredients for a civil war ...

- difference in skin color
- catholics against protestants
- spanish against english
- poor against rich
- historically lost territory

when will San Diego be called "Little Baghdad" ?

when will Cuban and Venezuelan infiltrators fight against death squads ?

5 years, 10 years from now ? after the petrodollar collapse ?

[DetroitProle]

18. I agree

The Catholic Church isn't standing up for anything but itself. Why?
Mexicans are probably the most religious Catholics on earth. The Church in the U.S. is declining. They'd really fill the pews and even the priesthood well.
The Catholic Church is hurting our nation and taking advantage of a vunerable group of human beings.
Some things never change.

[High Plains]

24. The Catholic Church is doing the right thing (for once)

The Church opposes the horrible Sensenbrenner-authored House bill that would make felons of anyone crossing the border without papers and anyone who helped them in any way once they were here.

That is a horrible idea. Good for Cardinal Mahoney.

[tocqueville]

16. it's on CNN SouthWest news

'A Day Without A Mexican' Protest In The Works
Movie Asks What Would Happen If Latinos Disappeared From California

POSTED: 9:29 pm PDT April 6, 2006
UPDATED: 12:44 pm PDT April 7, 2006


SAN DIEGO -- Another immigration reform event is brewing -- inspired by the 2004 movie "A Day Without A Mexican," 10News reported.

Activists said Monday, May 1 will be called, "A Day Without Latinos" -- a boycott of work, school and shopping for those who participate nationwide.

"Immigrants do make contributions. Everyday life in the U.S. has a piece of immigrants," said Christian Ramirez, (comma) of the American Friends Service Committee.

In the movie, chaos erupts with the disappearance California's Latinos.



http://edition.cnn.com/LOCAL/west/
http://www.10news.com/news/8521510/detail.html?subid=22100481&qs=1;bp=t#

[bobbieinok]

11. aren't the RW claiming this is all an attempt to 'take back CA, TX, etc'

IOW, demonstrations against change in immigration laws are being spun as attacks on US

[BeFree]

13. Damn right wingers...

...always striving to divide us working class. Damn them to hell!

[TechBear_Seattle]

15. Calls for reconquest have been going on for decades

It really isn't anything new. Most of the southwest was taken as prizes of war, first from Spain and latter from Mexico. The whole "remember the Alamo" came from a war the US provoked as an excuse to annex Texas. At least since the 60s, there has been a small, somewhat vocal movement to reconquer the US southwest and either reunite with Mexico or create a new Chicano country.

[Terran1212]

19. FAUX picture

[datasuspect]

22. arm the illegal immigrants NOW!!!

yeah.

[BeFree]

23. Not with guns, though.....

...but rights, civil rights, human rights.

Lets hope it doesn't lead to a civil war. We already are in one in Iraq.

[High Plains]

25. You must have been watching the Fox News segment with the

anti-immigrant lady from Phoenix. She was holding a flyer from some Aztlan group about taking back the Southwest.

That sentiment exists, but it is tiny, tiny minority even within the Chicano and Mexicano population.

The issue is a red herring.