Is it just me or is everybody kind of FREAKING OUT?

[msatty99]

It seems like everybody is so worked up over the Sy Hersh story and the leaking story. But Jeezus,
we knew Bush was in charge of the leaks...we are just getting it confirmed. When Scooter libby
and Karl Rove are revealed as having leaked stuff, surely it was plain that their bosses
were 'in on it'...even if there was no 'proof' yet. Those guys can't do squat with out the
ok from the boss. I mean jeez, Bush just has to look at Karl and say.."Karl, did you leak?"
So, while mildly interesting that Libby confirms the obvious and a few new cycle stories..
what is the big deal? I mean...I figured that Bush and Cheney were totally on top of
slamming Joe Wilson from Day one...didn't you?

As for Nuking Iran...forget it. They have contingency plans for nuking Finland! fer Crissakaes!
Moving the planning to 'operational' (and then letting THAT out of the bag) is nothing more
than high stakes power poker.

I know that there is a part of all of us that might like to imagine worst case scenario's but
come on...We are not gonna nuke Iran.

And another thing...we are not getting ready to see BUSH (that nut) order martial law. Even if
he was that nutty...there are too many relatively sane people who just ain't gonna let that happen.
so, take off your oppressed martyr hats and lets focus on issue that Joe Sixpack cares about like,

Democrats having a plan to deliver universal affordable healthcare,
Jobs for America, Energy independence, education .
So much more boring than imagining how we would 'man the barricades' but, that is how you
win your elections in the fall...not chirping about Nuking Iran.

:smoke:

[elehhhhna]

1. whatever. I didn't think they'd occupy Iraq, either.

Or Lihp/mihop
or steal billions in cash
crash the economy
torture people
wiretap us
let the oil co's screw us blind
ignore the loss of a major city...
and on and on ad nauseum

[SmokingJacket]

2. What she said. nt

[elehhhhna]

11. thank you

[converted_democrat]

6. Ditto..n/t

[elehhhhna]

12. danke!

[guinivere]

8. Mmm Hmmm

I never would have thought any of that would happen.

I'm sure they have at least one more big "bend over" thing up their sleeves.

[elehhhhna]

13. yepski!

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. !

:scared: :hide:

[tjwash]

14. I knew these bastards were going into Iraq the minute Florida flipped...

...from Gore to Bush. 9-11 just made it easy to get the Dems to sign on the dotted.

My business partner, a die hard repug at the time, thought I was nuts when I said it too. Now he is sickened at how he has been had, and can't even discuss politics with me anymore, because he has a son that is getting ready to graduate high school, and 30000 dollars in credit card debt caused by an illness.

[monarch]

3. The answer to your question is yes--but in a good way

I have been on this board since it had approximately 900something members) and this is the first time that I have ever done much posting) For lots of reasons I do think that this is the breakthrough issue.

[peacebird]

4. yes - WE knew who was in charge of the leaks but this is HUGE because

Joe SixPack and the little missus are hearing for the VERY FIRST TIME that bush is responsible for leaking classified info for political gain.

That is why this is big.

As for nuking Iran - Sy Hersh is very very good. I believe him when he says that the bush administration is planning to use tactival nukes on Iran. Face it - bush is desperate to be all-powerful once again - he's had a taste of lame duck and he doesn't like it. What better way to get the sheeple back in the fold than to be the WAR PREZ - and neither Iraq nor Afghanistan is giving him the type photo ops he wants at the moment so to hell with 'em. Let's start a new front on the "Global war on terror".

Plus - he hasn't gotten to use his nukes yet.

:sarcasm:

[revree]

5. It's just you.

Oh, and as for our little conspiracies, most have come true, and most will. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire, or the beginnings of one.

[Guaranteed]

7. I think we're excited.

I think ChimpCo is falling apart. It's a good thing.

I mean, it's not a GOOD thing that we're actually ATTACKING IRAN. In fact, it's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

But, this means it will all be over soon.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. *AHEM* SY HERSH wrote this story and SY is on our side.

Trust him and heed his warning. His sources do not love the psycho-in-chief.

[chicofaraby]

10. I agree, the Dems need to play THEIR game.

Not the RNCs.

Focus on competence.
Focus on healthcare.
Focus on ending the war.
Focus on honesty.
Focus on equitable taxation.
Focus on secularism.
Focus on living wages.
Focus on real job growth.

It's boring, but haven't we had enough "excitement?"

[WilliamPitt]

15. People freaking out? In GD?

No way.

[monarch]

17. Hey Will Pitt

You're the guy to write THE book on the internet phenomenon. I think that the internet is already having a huge effect. Check on everything going on with Lamont. I'm in Boston and channel 5 has a crawl under its Lieberman story saying that Lieberman won't rule out an independent. That has to, at the very least, mess with Joe's mind.

[jbm]

16. you are correct..

I think it's a human nature thing to hope that eventually everyone will finally see Bush and his gang the way that we see them, and all of our emotions will be vindicated. That's probably not going to happen though, and even if it does, it wouldn't be the reason I would want to win an election.

The right spent billions of dollars distorting the playing field, and it gave them a brief advantage, but I think those days are pretty much over for them. Now it's up to us to create a good platform and find a way to sell it to the people. Trying to sell our hatred of Bush isn't going to really get us anywhere.

[msatty99]

18. Thanks... I really believe that

voters (ie people) are much more responsive to positive
information. They want a reason to believe and have hope.
And that is what will win the democrats power back.

I also see a lot of people who seem a little paranoid or,
like, comparing Bush to Hitler that kind of thing. I think
Bush totally sucks...but Hitler? Cmon...he started a war
that killed fifty million and exterminated six million just
because they were Jewish... Not even close!

Anyway...I think a lot of it is venting. ANd, god knows some
of my posts are irrational.

[depakid]

19. You've got to be kidding

after 2000, 2002 and 2004- you're going to post that "voters (ie people) are much more responsive to positive information."

Don't you think that "high road" approach has lost us enough elections already?

[msatty99]

21. In 2000

I don't think we lost...More people voted for AL Gore than for
Bush. Still, I think Gore lost mainly because he ceded the environment
to Nader.

In 2004, I think that people saw Bush as 'safer' than Kerry on
a fundamental level. The GOP succesfully presented themselves as
'better' on National Security.

But, I admit that the negativity used was effective. But I don't think
that is how we are going to win back power. I think we have to
have clear, and clearly stated, plans to meet the real problems of
the USA.

The failings of the GOP just give us our chance to make our case...they are not THE
chance in itself.

[walldude]

22. While I'm a huge fan of Hersh's I'm with you on this one.

I've seen many stories about nuking Iran and all of them link back one way or another to Hersh. Even Hersh's story just talks about the option being left on the table. Attacking Iran will be political suicide. If they are going to do it it won't be till the end of Bush's term so that someone else can take the blame when the whole thing blows up in their faces. The one thing that gave me pause in Hersh's story was this statement:

A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was "absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb" if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do "what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do," and "that saving Iran is going to be his legacy." If Bush is really talking like this then he could easily start WWIII...
The entire Hersh article is here for those who missed it. It's a good read...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=25605&mode=nested&order=0

[Jack Rabbit]

23. Yes, I did

I figured that Bush and Cheney were totally on top of slamming Joe Wilson from Day one...didn't you?

Yes, I did. It was an easy one.

As for Nuking Iran...forget it. They have contingency plans for nuking Finland!

True, but Bush's approval ratings are going to be in the twenties before much longer and they aren't making noise about Finland.

And another thing...we are not getting ready to see BUSH (that nut) order martial law. Even if he was that nutty...there are too many relatively sane people who just ain't gonna let that happen.

I agree. But maybe we ought to think about the unthinkable. Bush is just unbalanced enough to do something nutty, like declare martial law or nuke Iran.

lets focus on issue that Joe Sixpack cares about like,

Democrats having a plan to deliver universal affordable healthcare, Jobs for America, Energy independence, education.

Let's not forget those. I still think we can make inroads in red states with these issues. However, we need to push the other ones, too. They let middle America know that Bush has betrayed them and the Democrats will make their lives better.

[Rocknrule]

24. I pray to God you're right

[originalpckelly]

25. Soon: Another Saturday Night Massacre

Remember Sy said the JCS were merely upset that nukes were still on the table. Not that they were going to be used. We may see a bunch of resignations soon. If June 2 is really a nuke. I guess they wanted to have the fallout ready for 6/06/2006.