Rove says Democrats are cheating in elections!

[walldude]

LMFAO.. this is too funny:

"I heard Karl Rove speaking to the Republican Lawyers Association on Friday (via C-Span) and he was going on and on and on about how the Democrats are cheating in elections. He cited "case" after "case" in which Democrats are disenfranchising Republicans all over the country. It's shocking: the voter fraud, the throwing out of Republicans absentee ballots, the partisan vote count manipulation. He's very worried about the integrity of our elections"

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114463817053090841

Yeah we're cheating and we're doing it so well that Repugs have the House, The Senate and the Executive.... :eyes:

[NJCher]

1. same old same old

This guy has about two tricks up his sleeve and they are getting old, old old.

So sick of this lying, dysfunctional behavior.




Cher

[Ksec]

2. Pot meet Kettle

These guys have a habit of doing something and then flipping it on us. Accuse us of something theyre doing. Typical propagandists. Rove is a felon who hasnt been charged yet. He has no credibility to anyone but his normal halfwit followers.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

17. In this case it might be more like pot meet snow.

The pot calling the snow black.

I think he belongs to what someone called "the future felons" in Florida.

These were people who were removed from the Florida voting roles due to felonies committed. The dates for when the felonies were committed were all in the future.

:rofl:

[sakabatou]

58. Or the pot meeting color #FFFFFF

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

62. Which is the color of snow, that is before it is trampled on etc. n/t

[meow2u3]

73. It's like the piss calling the snow yellow

Rove pisses on Democrats, the law, and the truth and then complains that the snow in his yard is yellow!

[kestrel91316]

68. They are masters of projection!

[stepnw1f]

3. That's Why You're in Power?

Ohh... that's how it works...

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. *lol* They love to accuse the left of everything they are actually doing.

[Tim4319]

5. Ho-leeeeeeeeeee Shhhhhhhhh......!

I bet people are falling for this too. This will be the new talking point.

[burythehatchet]

6. KKKarl Rove

Fucker of rats...a/k/a Ratfucker

[Liberal In Texas]

7. Fine. Then give us paper ballots and count EVERY ONE.

Make sure every voter who shows up at the polls can vote.

Be careful for what you might start, KKKarl.

[BlueEyedSon]

16. Yeeeehaaaaaaaaaa...my thought EXACTLY

[MGKrebs]

8. Oh, I get it. We can't even cheat right, so how could we possibly

be able to.. umm... govern legitimately?

OK, maybe I don't get it.

[BattyDem]

9. Well, there's a simple solution to the "problem"

Let's have Voter Verified Paper Ballots! That way the <*cough*> Dems can never cheat again! :P

[KingFlorez]

10. Um, projection

What he really means is when they get called invalid absentees they should get away with it

[SeattleGirl]

11. Rove is a comedian! Who knew???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hubert Flottz]

52. Yes but the funny thing is he is getting less and less laughs!

I think we the people might get to laugh a little, when Joe Wilson gets his wish...

[SeattleGirl]

64. And hopefully we will really get to laugh with this house of cards

collapses on them. Yeah, I know it seems to be an impossiblity, but I hold on to hope that these creeps will collapse under the weight of their own arrogance.

[emdee]

12. They are always guilty of what they claim others are guilty of.

always.

emdee

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. Perhaps they are testing a strategy for the fall, where they challenge

Republican losses by claiming Dem cheating.

It would be classic Rove to "set up" some fake cheating, apparently by Dems, in some district where the Repubs have no chance, and "uncover" it, to try and discredit all results where Dems won.

Think about it.

[Ioo]

14. Remember, the GOP will always blame others for the things they are doing.

If they say Democrats are poking raping whales at seaworld, trust me they are doing that.

[Old and In the Way]

15. Apparently, we aren't nearlly as good at it as you are Karl.

[Mr_Spock]

18. Ah, it's the ol' steal the DU headlines and reverse them trick

How many times have we seen this with this bunch of childish babies.

Rove is a goof ball - I'll be glad when he's behind bars.

[Patchuli]

27. Ya think Rove haunts/lurks these hallowed halls at DU?

Cool.

Hey Karl. Go f*ck yourself. heheeheee I learned that from them. ;)

[seabeyond]

19. what rove does consistantly project what they are doing

onto the opposition. then when they are called it is all muddied. makes me sick. my mama told me people like these never win. ya, right..... just hate this crap

[sandnsea]

20. The real reason Nixon didn't contest

Because they knew there was as much or more fraud in southern Illinois than Chicago. Funny how even historians never talk about that. It's always Democrats and the Daly machine, or Democrats buying votes with packs of cigarettes, or some such stupidity.

[LittleClarkie]

Gads, we're really bad at it too, aren't we.

1. He's trying to get his troops worked up for the 2006 elections. If they think WE'RE cheating, then they will feel justified in cheating themselves.

2. It's harder for us to complain that they're cheating, when they say we're cheating first. Classic Rovian tactic. If they cheat and we call them on it, they will now just call us copy cats.

Nevertheless, they control the presidency, the House and the Senate, and somehow Republicans are being disenfranchised. Are they trying to say that the governement would be MORE Republican if only we'd just stop cheating?

What sore winners.

[Cleita]

21. This has to be a joke! No?

eom

[Kansas Wyatt]

22. Attack your opponent with what you are guilty of yourself.

Rove Republican Tactic: 101

Best case scenario: People will believe your opponent is guilty of what you are guilty of yourself, so you project your guilt on to your opponent, and your opponent suffers the consequences of your guilty actions.

Worst case scenario: People will believe both are guilty of it, so it is a wash and both you and your opponent end up equal. Which punishes your opponent with your guilt and eliminates the possibility of your opponent using your guilty actions against you.

If you want to know exactly what they are guilty of, just listen to what they accuse their political opponents and enemies of doing.

[Emit]

23. Classic example of

Projection, likely the very last example here:

2a. Freudian Projection
The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto an opponent is called Freudian Projection.

:bluebox: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits."


:bluebox: "The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual."


:bluebox: "Attributing one's own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile."


:bluebox: "The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity."


:bluebox: "People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way."


:bluebox: "Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have."

2b. (General) Projection
Here projection is assuming that others act or perceive similarly – according to this definition it is not necessary for a projected trait to be undesirable or unconscious. Projection is probably inherent in social animals and the single most important psychological mechanism. The following are given as examples:

:bluebox: Individual A assumes that B sees the colour red as he does, until informed that B is colour-blind;


:bluebox: Someone who never lies is easy to deceive because he projects his truthfulness onto others, assuming that others are honest also;


:bluebox: ‘It takes one to know one’;


:bluebox: An inept con-man fears that others are trying to cheat him, signals his fear and alerts others;


:bluebox: (Freudian) An individual who possesses malicious characteristics, but who is unwilling to perceive himself as a protagonist, convinces himself that his opponent feels and would act the same way.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:-PgYKn7w7N8J:www.heretical.com/sexsci/bpsychol.html+projection+psychology&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

[mitchum]

24. That porcine motherfucker is a pathological liar

[vssmith]

25. Did Diebold all of a sudden become a Dem??

[Roland99]

26. Poisoning the well.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

33. Or, increasing the "noise to signal" ratio. Fake some "Dem cheating". Then

"uncover" the fake cheating, and blast it on Fox/Rush for a solid month. Voila any Dem election victories = fraud to the Kool-Aid drinkers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1604308

[Roland99]

35. That's what I meant.

:)

[BamaLefty]

28. Hey Karl,

go to hell.

[spanone]

29. So Rovian it's Beautiful.

[0007]

43. Oink oink

:redbox: A swinish liar that resembles a pig is Karl Rove

[TayTay]

30. This is not a funny joke

KKKarl means what he's saying. The electronic voting machines will, eventually, have to answer to a standards board and to real and verifiable testing. That will happen. The Rethugs know this, they aren't stupid, just evil.

They are going after the Democratic base groups before they ever get near a ballot box or voting machine. They want to go after registration and restrict groups that have traditionally aligned with Dems from ever getting registered to vote. They will do this by making registration itself harder to do and they will do it under the umbrella that KKKarl talked about: fairness and making sure that the dead don't vote and making sure that all 'eligibility' guidelines are met, etc.

This is why George had the issue of Voter ID cards come up. KKKarl knows that minorities are less likely to go through hoops to get registered. He is making up more hoops. This is part of what he is selling in the whole immigration debate: *those* people want to vote and the Democrats are just going to let them in without verification.

This is a very real threat and could, in the long run, be much worse than anything to do with the machines.

[EC]

31. Then why aren't we winning? n/t

[peekaloo]

32. Is a major story about to break re: election fraud?

Piggy doing a premature, er, preemptive ejaculation?

[Jack Rabbit]

34. There can be only one proper response to this . . .

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[jwirr]

36. Well if we are we should get better at it!!!

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

37. Just more smoke and mirrors. Poof! n/t

[Iris]

38. Then why aren't we the ones in total control of the federal gov't?

They'll tell a lie when it's easier to tell the truth.

[SammyWinstonJack]

39. Was he looking in the mirror while saying that?

:crazy:

[Yoda Yada]

40. Everything Rove does is for a reason.....

...and probably not for laughs, either.

The first thing that I thought of when I heard this (I have become so cynical)) was how he "planted" a listening device of some sort in his office (when Bush was running for governor) and then accused Bush's opponent of taping their conversation. (I think I am remembering this correctly.)

So, now Rove again has to set the stage for a "plant". His talking points for the future will include "cleaning up dirty elections"....then.....he will tamper with the election in some way in order to make it look like the Dems did it. This man has a purpose for everything he does. So don't take his ability to manipulate the message (and elections) for granted. :evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown:

(I used to be a hopeful ,optimistic person....now, I'm just mad..:mad: :mad: :mad: )

[walldude]

45. MMmm.... good points you make

Remember the fake bugs I do. Cynical I also am, maybe voting verification by the GOP he seeks hmmmm? The Darkside clouds everything...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

61. I agree totally. My first reaction is CONCERN when I read something

like this, and I thought of EXACTLY the same thing you did, that he is setting the stage to "plant" some kind of fake "memogate" evidence that "Dems cheated!!" in some election, and use this to promote some idea, like any Dem victories in the fall are not legit etc.

Dude will stop at nothing. Some of his ideas are boneheaded and some fail, but he's like a shark, never stops moving or coming up with slimy dishonest schemes like this.

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. From "Bush's Brain" I remember that.

[Faux pas]

41. LOL they always conveniently for get that they are in charge

of EVERYTHING when they try to spread their manure. They must to love the smell, they spread so much.

[Left Is Write]

42. Um, if Democrats are cheating...

How come Republicans control everything?

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. I guess we suck at cheating.

:rofl: Rove is projecting.

[Brigid]

46. Excuse Me?

We're the ones cheating? Rove needs a one-way ticket to the nearest loony bin. :banghead:

[Sinti]

47. He's preparing a strategy here

Accuse the Dems of cheating, so that when the pubs cheat (disenfranchise thousands of voters already underway)and we scream about it they can say, wait a goshdarned minute, you've been cheating. You have refused to count the votes of those brave men we put in harm's way for no reason. You are rigging the registrations and counts in your favor ... ad nauseum.

Then if/when they hold their majorities, even though the vast majority of the country thinks we're way down the path of destruction here, and we scream we won't be taken seriously, because the "Democrats cheat on elections" universal mantra will already be out there.

Preemptive accusations work wonders. They accused the Clinton White House of taking money from the Chinese, how many people know about Haley Barbour on a boat just outside Hong Kong with both hands out raking in dough?

It would be wise to really crank up the noise in every locality regarding voter disenfranchisement, the questionable ownership of all the vote counting machines, the black lists created by various info corps (of mostly black and Hispanic people) full of law abiding persons now considered felons for the purposes of elections and so on.

[global1]

48. Call Him On It - The Dems Should Push For Election Reform......

uniform voting all over the country. No electronic machines. Accountability - paper ballots, receipts, etc.

See how fast he and the Repugs will back down.

[porphyrian]

49. Good. Tell them we use the electronic voting machines to do it.

Maybe we'll get a fair election by accident.

[Deja Q]

50. Gee, they have had FULL CONTROL for 6 years... with Diebold, a R company,

to do the electronic voting system...

And they're blaming D's for all the cheating.

Okey doke.

Did you know I'm also dating Ms. October and Mrs. May?

[helderheid]

51. they always accuse us of what they are doing forcing us to be on the

offensive. Too bad we dems play fair.

[NightOwwl]

53. Projection much?

Stuff it, Karl.

[MiniMe]

54. They are guilty of what they are yelling about loudest

Happens every time something like this comes up with regards to the Repukes. We on DU know what is going on, but it never makes the MSM. Then the repukes come out and start accusing the dems of the same thing, when the dems have done nothing.

[Marr]

55. So the election process has been corrupted... and Republicans control

everything.

Yes, clearly the Democrats have rigged the system.

[Rocknrule]

56. Next he'll be saying that Dems are war-loving homophobes

who want to replace the Constitution with the Bible and that we don't care about Bin Forgotten

[Iniquitous Bunny]

57. The psychiatric term for that is "projection"

p.s. Rove is whacked! :crazy:

[faithnotgreed]

59. soounds like mark crispin miller has struck a nerve...

esp when on march 31st (oh was that also on friday??) mcm announced in his presentation at umass (also aired on cspan this past friday that in the next month a well-known figure who knows a lot of people will outline the belief and the evidence that the 2004 election was stolen by the bush republicans

[Initech]

60. So the dems cheat... and lose? How does this work?

Explain your logic, Emperor Rove!

[hopeisaplace]

63. there must be something serious about to come out on this (against repubs)

cause this is a Pandora's Box that is being opened.
The GAO Report on Ohio will be the first thing that could
end up seeing the light of day.

Read a thread last night about something coming out on this
by someone prominent...sorry I don't have the thread handy.
Anyway, perhaps that's why Rove is attempting to "pre-empt"
this story. (as many of you have stated)

My ears are perked over this.

[cynatnite]

65. Geez, they'd bitch if they ran everything...

oh, yeah, they do run everything. :eyes:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

66. More Rovian framing.

Next time an election fraud issue comes up, the media will have no choice but to supplant Democratic complaints with these artificial Rove complaints as a means to balance them out. In effect, even if clear evidence exists of Republican vote-tampering, the media "truth" will be right in the middle. Partly because of how the issue is framed ("we aren't stealing elections, the Democrats are!"), and partly because of the already-evident, inherent need of the media to portray everything in terms of Republican-vs.-Democrat equivalence.

[Beelzebud]

67. I'd like to rip his face off his head...

[WiseButAngrySara]

69. Classic case of projection: accuse others of precisely what you are

guilty of doing yourself! Rove has done more harm to the moral fabric of this country, that I don't know if our faith will ever be restored. F-ing, pathological LIAR!

[Catrina]

71. Make him prove it! He says a lot, most of it lies, and no one ever

challenges him because he hides and talks only to rightwing audiences.

This is what he did when he accused Democrats of not looking at 9/11 as a threat, or some such nonsense, in tending to create the impression, again, that Democrats do what he did, dodge wars.

That time he was slammed. Democratic veterans from all over the country wrote to him and a blog was set up where they could let him know what they thought of him. So his little stupid, childish trick backfired on him, and only highlighted his own cowardice. He wasn't seen in public for quite a while after that little outing.

If he were dealing with honest people, ie, Democrats, he would be laughed out of town. He is no genius, he is a thug with no conscience. That's why the Bush family hired him. Ruthless, without a conscience and a liar, he is a despicable, cowardly individual who never would have made it anywhere, had he not latched on to the most criminal organization in the country. Like most crooks.

People should go after him on this statement ~ and demand based on his lies, that all machines be thrown out before the November election. Make him the poster boy for getting rid of those machines ~ 'even Karl Rove says that it's easy to steal an election'. Twist his lying words the way he does to others ~ what a truly low, sick individual he is.

[frazzledmom]

74. But... but... there's case after case! n/t

[medeak]

72. Oh..what a psychiatrist would say about this! n/t