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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:34 PM
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Patriotism vs. Nationalism vs. Jingoism. Let me say first that I am a
patriotic American and I love this country! I'll be damned if this WH is going to ruin this country!! But what would you say is the difference between patriot and nationalist feelings? I am not a jingoist, which is "country for the sake of country". Anyways, what do you think is the difference?

Again! I love this country! God damn it!

:patriot: :popcorn:
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trixie Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:38 PM
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1. I agree with you
we can't let the wackos destroy everything this country stands for.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:43 PM
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3. Damn right!
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:41 PM
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2. Defined

Patriotism: My country is great!

Nationalism: My country is better than all other countries!

Jingoism: My country is so much better than all other countries, that you would do well to follow my example or else!


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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:44 PM
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4. I could be considered a Nationalist then! Well you know what I mean.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:51 PM
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7. then I am a Patriot
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:10 PM
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12. Or
Patriotism: I want my country to be it's best.
Nationalism: My country is the best.
Jingoism: Phuck everyone else.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:47 PM
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5. why do you love this country?
I'm not trying to be a smartass. It's a question I ask myself too. Why do you love this country? Where does the patriotism come from?

For me, I guess I love the country because I was born here, and this is the country I know like no other. It's home to me. And I realize that, materially speaking, I'm very very fortunate to have been born an American citizen. But what I can't find is a compelling reason to think that this is "the greatest country in the world" or that American ingenuity somehow outclasses French or Namibian ingenuity.

I like what this country is supposed to stand for, but Mr. Zinn informs us all that the problems didn't start with GWB, and we never have been the guys in the white hats. So I guess you could say I like the concept of America, which is something that has never been realized in our history.

I don't guess I'm much of a patriot. Would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Thanks.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:50 PM
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6. Let me get back to you so I can make a list!
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:54 PM
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9. ok
It's hard to tell if you're being serious or not, but I'll take it at face value and wait for your list.

Thanks.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:55 PM
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10. I am serious! God damn it! LOL.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:11 PM
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13. Here's a part of the list!
- This country was formed when Kings and Queens ruled many other countries. Our Forefathers attempted to make a "Democracy". With all their faults it was better than any other place.

- In the last even 100 years other countries have gone through Facism, Communism, etc. Though our nation is being threatened I don't think we will turn into that and we can change it!

- The ideals of America are still possible! It is incumbent upon the people to make this change!


I'll think of more.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 01:52 PM
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8. "Patriotism is the egg from which wars are born." de Maupassant
But, waving the flag is handy for politicians seeking office.

I don't "love" this country or any other country. I find it a rather silly idea to "love" something as abstract as a country, just as silly as "loving" a particular brand of potato chips.

I've travelled to some other countries, the UK, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Taiwan, and found them every bit as admirable and/or ugly as the USA.





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bmcatt Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:00 PM
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11. I love the ideals of America
Y'know, all those things that don't really exist any more.

The concept that all of us are equal, and are free to be ourselves without intrusion from anyone else.

The knowledge that our government, while occasionally a little corrupt, at least generally does the "right" things for people.

The idea that my children have the opportunity for a better life than I do (not to say I have a bad life, but the idea that there's always opportunity for improvement).

The respect of others in other countries for the ideals we espouse and hold to.


Oh, wait... None of those exist any more. Never mind. :cry:
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:11 PM
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14. "The last resort of a scoundrel is Patriotism."
Edited on Tue Apr-11-06 02:15 PM by augie38
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:14 PM
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15. That's not what I meant. Mine love is a more "adult" love than the RW's
naive, childish love.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:20 PM
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16. I know what you meant.
I also love this country. I served it in time of conflict and proud that I did, but I hate what these so-called patriots are doing to it.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:22 PM
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17. You served?!?! Thank you!!
:popcorn: :patriot:
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:32 PM
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18. The Mightiest Nation
The Mightiest Nation


Once upon a time there was a country that was very small and, on the whole, very good.

Its citizens were proud and independent and self-reliant and generally prosperous. They believed in freedom and justice and equality. But, above all, they had faith. They had faith in their religion, their leaders, their country and themselves.

And, of course, they were ambitious. Being proud of their country, they wanted to make it bigger. First they conquered the savage tribes that hemmed them in. Then they fought innumerable wars on land and sea with foreign powers to the east and west and south. They won almost all the battles they fought and conquered foreign lands.

It took many generations, but at last the good, little country was the richest, mightiest nation in the whole, wide world -- admired, respected, envied and feared by one and all.

``We must remain the mightiest nation,'' said its leaders, ``so that we can insure universal peace and make everyone as prosperous and decent and civilized as we are.''

At first, the mightiest nation was as good as its word. It constructed highways and buildings and pipelines and hygienic facilities all over the world. And for awhile, it even kept the peace.

But being the mightiest nation in the world, its leader was the mightiest man in the world. And, naturally, he acted like it.

He surrounded himself with a palace guard of men chosen solely for their personal loyalty. He usurped the powers of the Senate, signing treaties, waging wars and spending public funds as he saw fit.

When little countries far away rebelled, he sent troops without so much as a by-your-leave. And the mightiest nation became engaged in a series of long, costly, inconclusive campaigns in far away lands. So some disillusioned soldiers refused to obey orders and some sailors mutinied, even though the leader raised their pay. And in some places the mightiest nation hired mercenaries to do its fighting.

And because it was the richest nation, it worshiped wealth and the things wealth bought. But the rich grew richer and the poor grew poorer through unfair tax laws. And in the capital 1 in 5 were idle and on welfare.

When the poor grumbled, they were entertained by highly paid athletes and the firing of expensive rockets into the air which sometimes fizzled. But the poor often rioted and looted and burned in their frustrated rage.

Many citizens lost faith in their old religion and turned to Oriental mysticism. And the young, wearing long hair and sandals, became Jesus freaks. Bare-breasted dancers, lewd shows and sex orgies were increasingly common. And the currency was debased again and again to meet the mounting debts.

Worst of all, the citizens came to learn their leaders were corrupt -- that the respected palace guard was selling favors to the rich and sending spies among the people, creating fear and distrust.

So it was that the people lost faith. They lost faith in their leaders, their currency, their rockets, their postal system, their armies, their religion, their laws, their moral values, their country and, eventually, themselves.

And, thus, in 476 A.D., Rome fell to the barbarians and the Dark Ages settled over Western civilization.

Moral. For what is a nation profited if it shall gain the whole world and lose its own soul.

Hoppe - 1973
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