Larisa Alexandrovna-Part II-Brewster Jennings, Edmonds, 911 Cover-up &More

[kpete]

In this installment, we discuss:
1. Brewster Jennings, and how that does, and does not, relate to Valerie Plame.
2. Sibel Edmonds and Brewster Jennings
3. The 911 cover-up
4. Why Dennis Hastert may resign before November.

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Luke Ryland: In your article you mention that the CIA's own internal assessment indicates that the Plame outing set back their WMD monitoring by a decade - that's incredibly damaging and reckless.

Larisa Alexandrovna: Correct.

Luke: That's a lot of damage from the outing of one person. Bob Novak went out of his way to drive the nail in the coffin with his second article where he specifically outed Brewster Jennings. The conventional wisdom seems to be that Brewster Jennings was a front just for Valerie Plame - how could the damage have been so significant?

LA: Well, yes, people assume that Brewster Jennings and Plame are one and the same - but that's not the case. Plame's team was just one team operating under the banner of Brewster Jennings, which was as we now know, a cover mechanism. There were other teams that were also operating under the Brewster Jennings banner.

much more at:
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2006/04/larisa-alexandrovna-all-roads-lead-to_12.html

[lala_rawraw]

1. thanks

[kpete]

2. Anytime

You are awesome!

[stop the bleeding]

5. Thread and link for Part I

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x893209




on edit: I am a MORAN - I see this is a new one - sorry to mess you guys up

[lala_rawraw]

6. This is second part, you posted part one

[flyarm]

30. thank you LALA..for being on the side of the truth..i salute you lady!!

i salute you for telling this truth..about Brewster, and Sibel..

and i salute you for the professionals who put a uniform on..and daily step onto a tube that goes in the air..who's families expect this kind of truth from their government..and always got that, until this murdering admin...

i salute you for my former co-workers who died on 9/11 and never came home..because of this lying admin...

until all the truth is known..none of us will be safe...

from our own government!


LaLa..please never give up your search of the truth..we will get it one day..maybe not in my lifetime..but i hope soon enough for all our children's lifetimes..
these monsters in this white house will be exposed one day..and the monsters in congress will also be exposed...because ..the truth always prevails..not nessesarily on our timetable..but the truth will be known one day..

because of responsible reporters like you LALA...

i just wanted to thank you myself..

a now retired flight attendant for one of the airlines involved..i was 2001 F/A of the year for the new york base of my airline..

and i will never rest until we find the truth together! all of the truth!!

fly

[kpete]

7. This is Part II

[yodermon]

10. Larisa

Great interview. You give a great demonstration that you can do really meticulous research/reporting and uncover all sorts of shady dealings without being a "conspiracy theorist" -- a totally misnamed pejorative, since it's perfectly acceptable to form theories about conspiracies if the evidence leads you there .. BUT one must be vigilant and not jump to conclusions that are not apparent.

This is the section that caught my eye:

The problem that some people have in trying to understand the story is that people assume that there is, in some sense, a unifying theory of everything - but that's not the case. As result, people try to make all the pieces of information that they have fit into the one storyline. So this is where things get tricky - because people assume the Brewster Jennings and Valerie Plame are one and the same thing - and that events in Turkey are exactly related to Plame or that somehow the Plame leak is in and of itself a holy grail to answering the Iraq questions. That is just not the case, it is not that neat and orderly.

For example, I've seen it reported about Turkey and certain components being shipped to UAE, in the form of switches, which is true, that transaction did occur. But then the article conflates Plame’s outing with that transaction and that is not true, not at least from what I have been able to verify and see. On the other hand, could the transaction of the switches from Turkey to the UAE be related to Brewster Jennings? Possibly, but there is not enough to confirm that. In other words, you have a story (and I am sorry, but I cannot remember where the hell I read that) that has factual pieces in it but attempts to conflate them to solve a host of unrelated issues. It is also natural to want to make all the parts fit, but they do not. It is not that simple.

Good advice for many on this board IMO. :toast:

[SeattleRob]

15. lala Keep up the great work!

We need more authentic journalists who know what questions to ask.

Thanks!

:yourock:

[SpiralHawk]

3. k and r

Gigathanks.

[myrna minx]

4. Thanks Larisa & kpete.

:kick:

[Roland99]

8. Thanks, kpete! K&R!

[bear425]

9. K/R Thanks Kpete and Larisa. n/t

[kimpossible]

11. Thanks Larisa for pushing the Brewster-Jennings question

If/when we can get some heavyweight investigative journalism into the corporate media about it, it could become a spectacular scandal.

People need to know

- What was Brewster-Jennings working on (WMDs, nuclear proliferation, Iran, etc)
- What were the consequences of its destruction in the wake of Plame's outing? (oh please somebody leak that CIA damage assessment!)
- Who stood to lose out if B-J had continued its work? Who may have benefited since its demise?
- Follow the money trails, crony connections, etc etc etc

[lala_rawraw]

12. On point two

I discuss that in my article on Plame/Iran, but that will not be leaked because it would put into danger other folks. As much as we, the public have a right to know, there are things that we have no right to know no matter how much we want to know them. If the document were leaked, it would be so redacted that I would think it might be covered in black ink from top to bottom. I think what we know is that other assets were compromised and that should be enough... if they do leak the full thing, I will be shocked. But then again, this President has leaked documents that may have endangered all sorts of people, so I would not be surprised in the bit.


B&J is bigger than Plame and Plame is mid-east, specifically Iran. That is the thread to follow as that seems to be where we have been going all along.

[EVDebs]

13. Lala rawraw, check out this article ... it takes you into the WH and other

high places. This is why Plamegate, the NSA wiretapping scandal, 9-11, and Iraq are linked, it seems to me

""...Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few. ""

Dollars of Terror
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

Ptech now goes by the name GoAgile, btw.

[yodermon]

16. That actually raises a question I'd been having..

You talked about the relationship b/t Plame/Brewster-Jennings, and Brewster-Jennings/Sibel Edmonds.. but have you ever looked into how any of these relates to Ptech/Indira Singh? Have you ever done any reporting on Ptech? Just curious (fully understanding the caveat of attempting to make too many unwarranted connections) ;)

PS this is to Larisa, not EVDebs :hi:

[lala_rawraw]

21. HI:)

[formercia]

20. Why do you send me to another Liberal Web Site?

:evilgrin:

[formercia]

14. Some more background for late arrivals:

BREWSTER JENNINGS! MEDIA..WHERE ARE REPORTS ON BREWSTER JENNINGS?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x894299
Why would Cheney want to out Plame and Brewster Jennings?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=901815&mesg_id=901815

[robertpaulsen]

17. Recommending & bookmarking.

And I've only read the first paragraph. Wow, this looks juicy!

[lala_rawraw]

23. have you done the whole thing now>?

[robertpaulsen]

25. I did and enjoyed the whole thing.

Especially the clarification of Brewster Jennings & Sibel Edmonds:

But to make a longer answer even longer (laughs) yes, there is some overlap in my reporting on Plame and her story. There are people who overlap - and some of them overlap simply because of where they work - or who they are in general - but they aren't necessarily specifically involved or related to all of the various threads - or even any of the other threads other than her own.

The problem that some people have in trying to understand the story is that people assume that there is, in some sense, a unifying theory of everything - but that's not the case. As result, people try to make all the pieces of information that they have fit into the one storyline. So this is where things get tricky - because people assume the Brewster Jennings and Valerie Plame are one and the same thing - and that events in Turkey are exactly related to Plame or that somehow the Plame leak is in and of itself a holy grail to answering the Iraq questions. That is just not the case, it is not that neat and orderly.

For example, I've seen it reported about Turkey and certain components being shipped to UAE, in the form of switches, which is true, that transaction did occur. But then the article conflates Plame’s outing with that transaction and that is not true, not at least from what I have been able to verify and see. On the other hand, could the transaction of the switches from Turkey to the UAE be related to Brewster Jennings? Possibly, but there is not enough to confirm that. In other words, you have a story (and I am sorry, but I cannot remember where the hell I read that) that has factual pieces in it but attempts to conflate them to solve a host of unrelated issues. It is also natural to want to make all the parts fit, but they do not. It is not that simple.



I don't think that everything is tied together in a unified theory, but at certain points, it seems as though multiple scandals link together. Someone asked me today about if Fitz is looking at all of this. I said Fitz is probably looking at the overlapping between Plame and AIPAC, but not Sibel Edmonds. However, it would probably only help his case if he gave her a call!

[lala_rawraw]

27. Well, if you recall, BJ

had their own seperate outing from that of Plame.

[cascadiance]

18. Kick and recommending!

Wow, you have a whole slew of people's comments on that page and a lot of very meaningful discussion. An essential read for folks studying these issues.

Also, I just created a newer more up-to-date Cafe Press site for those who want to vocalize their protest to Sibel Edmonds' gagging orders.

http://www.cafepress.com/freesibel/



All profits from these sales get deposited into her legal fund.

[Amonester]

19. K&R - Brewster Jennings: **'s BJ (THOUSANDS DIE)

TX for posting, kicking, and recommending.

[DemReadingDU]

22. K&R

[stillcool]

24. coming late to the party....

:kick:

[Amonester]

26. One more kick for the night | evening crowd - n/t

[ngGale]

28. Kick ...

:donut:

[Lochloosa]

29. Kick