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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 06:13 PM
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 06:21 PM
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1. None.
i.e. U.S. LOSERS!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 06:25 PM
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2. excellent and timely repost!
thank you. Perhaps a few Dems in congress need to read this as well...

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Woven in and out of this discussion was a parallel consideration of Iraq: whether, and how, Iran might undermine America's interests there or target its troops. Pollack said this was of great concern. "We have an enormous commitment to Iraq, and we can't afford to allow Iraq to fail," he said. "One of the interesting things that I'm going to ask the CentCom commander when we hear his presentation is, Can he maintain even the current level of security in Iraq, which of course is absolutely dismal, and still have the troops available for anything in Iran?" As it happened, the question never came up in just this form in the stage of the game that featured a simulated centcom commander. But Pollack's concern about the strain on U.S. military resources was shared by the other panelists. "The second side of the problem," Pollack continued, "is that one of the things we have going for us in Iraq, if I can use that term, is that the Iranians really have not made a major effort to thwart us ... If they wanted to make our lives rough in Iraq, they could make Iraq hell." Provoking Iran in any way, therefore, could mean even fewer troops to handle Iraq-and even worse problems for them to deal with.

Kay agreed. "They may decide that a bloody defeat for the United States, even if it means chaos in Iraq, is something they actually would prefer. Iranians are a terribly strategic political culture ... They might well accelerate their destabilization operation, in the belief that their best reply to us is to ensure that we have to go to helicopters and evacuate the Green Zone."

More views were heard-Gerecht commented, for example, on the impossibility of knowing the real intentions of the Iranian government-before Gardiner called a halt to this first phase of the exercise. He asked for a vote on one specific recommendation to the President: Should the United States encourage or discourage Israel in its threat to strike? The Secretary of Defense, the DCI, the White House chief of staff, and Secretary of State Pollack urged strong pressure on Israel to back off. "The threat of Israeli military action both harms us and harms our ability to get others to take courses of action that might indeed affect the Iranians," Kay said. "Every time a European hears that the Israelis are planning an Osirak-type action, it makes it harder to get their cooperation." Secretary of State Gerecht thought a successful attack was probably beyond Israel's technical capability, but that the United States should not publicly criticize or disagree with its best ally in the Middle East.

Sam Gardiner took the podium again. Now he was four-star General Gardiner, commander of CentCom. The President wanted to understand the options he actually had for a military approach to Iran. The general and his staff had prepared plans for three escalating levels of involvement: a punitive raid against key Revolutionary Guard units, to retaliate for Iranian actions elsewhere, most likely in Iraq; a pre-emptive air strike on possible nuclear facilities; and a "regime change" operation, involving the forcible removal of the mullahs' government in Tehran. Either of the first two could be done on its own, but the third would require the first two as preparatory steps. In the real world the second option-a pre-emptive air strike against Iranian nuclear sites-is the one most often discussed. Gardiner said that in his briefing as war-game leader he would present versions of all three plans based as closely as possible on current military thinking. He would then ask the principals to recommend not that an attack be launched but that the President authorize the preparatory steps to make all three possible.

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 06:46 PM
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3. I attached the link when I signed the Move On petition

Against attacking Iran with Nukes...

Surreal, that I just typed that!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 11:38 PM
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4. if you go back and read the PNAC documents, you'll see that . . .
progressive pre-emptive action against our perceived "enemies" is a foundation of the neocon political philosophy . . . there's even one document that includes action against CHINA in the equation sometime down the road . . .

the "height of insanity" seems to be their modus operandi . . .
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