"Let's roll !" Quote from Flight 93: Another Bush lie.

[elehhhhna]

Remember Bush's big play on "Let's roll?" A lie.

Transcript: "Roll it"...then the sound of the drinks cart hitting the cockpit door.

Add it to the mile-high pile of Bush lies.

[stray cat]

1. Lets role was overheard by a phone operator

a passenger was talking to prior to the attack on the hijackers. Roll it was recorded on the flight recorder as they were at the cockpit door.

[bluemarkers]

4. said to his wife too

I remember her interview. My husband always said it too.


For the "president" to exploit it is despicable

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. I don't believe

Todd Beamer got to talk to his wife.

[wtbymark]

2. fire extiguisher my ass

more like a sidewinder from an F-16 slicing through the tail section

:tinfoilhat:

[cali]

5. Frankly I don't think

that the powers to be, had it nearly together enough on that day to accomplish shooting down the aircraft. In addition, the phone calls and inflight recording belie that theory.

[benburch]

7. A person in my network knows an Air Traffic Controller who saw it.

He witnessed the shoot-down on radar.

It happened, or at least, that is what a professional ATC thought he witnessed.

[cali]

14. Is this person speaking out?

Why didn't many ATCs witness the same thing? In order to believe in a conspiracy, one has to engage in massive convoluted thinking. One has to believe that thousands of people were in on it, and yet they were still successful at pulling it off. One thing's for certain: Conspiracy types are always willing to ignore Occam's Razor. Hoofbeats in the dark of night on Central Park West? Conspiracy theorist invariably think unicorns instead of horses.

[benburch]

15. If he speaks out, he goes to jail.

That is my understanding.

[cali]

20. If I had information this vital

I'd be willing to risk jail to get it out there. Hell, even Judy Miller went to jail over protecting her sources.

[marions ghost]

32. people are not so noble

when it comes to risking their lives.

[benburch]

34. We just raised the issue again.

He is convinced he will be disappeared.

We are raising the idea that he should go on record, and then seal that and place it with a law firm to be disseminated on the event of his death.

[lovuian]

44. Thats a great suggestion... That way when this man is out of office

the truth will come out...

But i believe the plane was shot down...as your friend saw on the radar...

[0007]

49. Not a doubt in my mind!

[Horse with no Name]

38. She wasn't protecting her sources

Nearly as much as she was protecting herself.

[hootinholler]

23. ding ding we have a winner. n/t

[novalib]

64. If He Speaks Out

Going to jail may be the least of his concerns.

It is altoether possible that he may be the victim of some unfortunate "accident".

NEVER FORGET -- The "people" running the White House are thugs -- sheer, unadulterate THUGS.

They thrive on power and on murder and lies.

They cannot stand any dissent, and they will stop at nothing -- NOTHING -- to shut up anyone who disagrees with them, or who attempts to show that they are lying to the rest of us.

[Virginia Dare]

19. I see unicorns....

maybe I've gone completely off the deep end, but when it comes to 9/11, I don't believe a word of the official story. It was either a grand conspiracy or George W. Bush is the luckiest son of a bitch that ever walked th earth.

:tinfoilhat:

[johnnie]

26. I know someone that said the plane was shot down

It was just a few days after 9/11 that he told me. He changed his story when I asked about it again later. Obviously I can't give too much detail, but let's just say that he was in a bunker in D.C. when it happened.

[leftofthedial]

39. I have a fairly highly placed friend at the FAA

he's had several rather "spooky" jobs over the last 30 years and has been remarkably open about some things I wouldn't have expected him to talk about.

ask him if the plane was shot down and he says "no comment."

[onenote]

73. "I know a guy who knows a guy who says he saw something"

that no one else is claiming to have seen and has no way to verify.

That falls far short of "it happened"

onenote

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. My understanding is that of all the calls made from the flight

not a single one was connected to a person known to the person calling. They went to this 'operator' who supposedly heard the 'lets roll' (a phrase I myself have never heard outside a war movie) or to answering machines.

iow, there's no proof that any of the calls were legit.

How did the cockpit voice recorder pick up the talk outside the cockpit where the drink table was smashing at the door? Most the talk inside the cockpit was barely intelligible, according to what I've read, but it picked up something from outside?

They've had four years to patch together whatever they want us to hear. I see no reason to believe any of it.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. not true

There have been numerous interviews in the print and television media with relatives of people on flight 93 who spoke to their loved ones after the plane had been hijacked. You can locate lots of information on this via google's news search feature. Unfortunately, regular googling of anything to do with flight 93 has been so overrun with MIHOP sites that it's impossible to find any of the actual reporting without a huge amount of pain and wasted time.

[rinsd]

51. Never let it be said that MIHOPers do not have excellent marketing skills

[cynatnite]

42. Tonight on NBC they interviewed a woman...

whose sister was on that flight. Her sister called her from the plane. I see no reason to call her a liar.

[file83]

45. LOL - that was funny - in a morbid sort of way.

[rinsd]

52. A sidewinder?

Do we even still use those anymore?

[Bunny]

3. I think "let's roll" came from the phone conversation that Todd

Beamer had with the operator in Chicago. I believe that's what she overheard him say. This was seconds before the passengers began attempting to fight back. It would not be in the official transcript because it almost certainly would not have been captured on the cockpit voice recorder.

Which doesn't diminish the lies told by the current administration, I just don't think this is one of them.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. You are quite correct.

There was an interview with the operator on the teevee last night here in the UK. Can't recall which channel, but it was probably ITV.

[rustydog]

8. What is sad is how truly heroic these people were and

Bush being the blood-sucking political vampire he is,
besmirched their brave actions by stealing that line for his political gain.

[bdamomma]

18. bush exploited

the 9/11 victims and tragic incident also for political purposes, these thugs have no remorse.

[hedgehog]

9. They might have attacked the door with a drinks cart;

after all, I wasn't there there to be a witness. It does seem unlikely though. I'd expect someone to kick the door latch instead. It's possible the drinks cart was used to block a knife wielding hijacker. As I noted yesterday, "Let's roll" is used frequently in the Rust Belt to mean "let's get started" and I think derives from railroad or steel mill lingo. People in my family use that phrase a lot, and they worked in both industries over the years.I have no idea if people in other areas of the country use that phrase.

[Chomp]

10. I don't

really blame anyone for the misinterpretation of the "Let's Roll"/"Roll it" remark.

I was dubious all along that the passangers even attempted to take the plane, thinking it was just prpaganda. But it is now clear that they did, and that is incredible and surely the most important aspect of the story?

"Let's roll" is Hollywood. "Roll it" is desperate, practical and real. I admire the real one more than the misinterpreted one.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

11. both "let's roll" and "roll it" happened. so neither is misinterpreted.

:)

[Chomp]

16. Really?

I read the transcript and don't remember seeing "Let's roll", only "Roll it"...must have another look...

[mattclearing]

17. Different recording, read the thread. n/t

[mitchtv]

35. I heard them both last night on Nightline

roolit on the cockpit recorder and let's roll from the operator who spoke to Beamer

[elehhhhna]

13. Thanks all for the correction. He's till a dammned liar, though.

[librechik]

21. they did actually say "Roll it!" (referring to the meal cart)

so I can forgive a little mushy stuff there. However, there were 35 phone calls made from FT 93. 35
(essentially) 911 calls and no NORAD? For 23 minutes?

[BlueEyedSon]

25. I think he was eating and shouted "...these are the bEST ROLLS!"

[area51]

31. LOL, you're bad.

:spank:

[elehhhhna]

36. lmao, sickie

[file83]

46. No, they were rolling dice, and one of the guys was hesitating on the bet.

[BlueEyedSon]

24. I thought cell phones dont work in airplanes?Mine barely works right here!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Nearly all transcontinental flights...

...have on-board phones as well for use of the passengers.

[BlueEyedSon]

28. so?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

30. So...

...if the cell wasn't working, calls could still be made from the plane. I'm not sure what this has to do with the OP anyway.

[file83]

48. Yes, but notice in the A&E "Flight 93" movie they are all using CELLS

during most of the phone calls - that's totally impossible.

[uppityperson]

54. and in that movie they are all still alive too, also impossible

dramatic liberties.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

29. Yes, those phones in the back of the seats

I've used them; they work fine.

[BlueEyedSon]

59. personal cell phones.... hello?

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

61. what about them?

You said they don't work on planes. Someone else mentioned the on-flight phones. I said yes those work fine. I didn't say that's what flight 73 passengers used, in fact I didn't challenge you on anything. If there's a point you're trying to make it eludes me.

[BlueEyedSon]

70. If cell phones don't work on planes how did the passengers make the calls?

for one thing, you would be hopping from terrestrial cell to terrestrial cell too fast for the network to cope with (assuming normal jetliner speed).... just something else in the official story that stinks.

BTW, I was confirming that your remark was a nonsequitur w/r/t "cell phone" use.

[The Traveler]

56. Don't really know but

cell phone range is dictated by "line of sight" ... and up there line of sight is a lot longer than when you are calling from dirt level.

[Perky]

66. For the last friggin time Cell phones do work on airplanes

If they did not work there would be no reason to turn them off....Duh..


Look the deal is that one or two calls does not call nav interference. but if all phone are on they are going to be seaching for signal all the time.. It is not that phone can's be used it that the signal can cause interference whther you are on a call or not

[Berserker]

71. A little research

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

Needless to say, neither the service, nor the "third generation" hardware, nor the "Picco cell" CDMA base station inside the cabin (which so to speak mimics a cell phone communication tower inside the plane) were available on the morning of September 11, 2001.

The 911 Commission points to the clarity and detail of these telephone conversations.

In substance, the Aviation Week report creates yet another embarrassing hitch in the official story.

The untimely July American Airlines / Qualcomm announcement acted as a cold shower. Barely acknowledged in press reports, it confirms that the Bush administration had embroidered the cell phone narrative (similar to what they did with WMDs) and that the 9/11 Commission's account was either flawed or grossly exaggerated.

[Neil Lisst]

33. someone said "let's roll the cart," and Bush made it "LET'S ROLL!!"

and that's the point

[KyuzoGator]

37. Why won't they just admit they shot Flight 93 down?

We all remember the eyewitnesses calling into the radio show minutes after the crash. Somehow all of these people vanished.

[Poiuyt]

40. Personally, I think that if the military HAD shot the plane down, it would

have been the best thing the government could have done. A VERY difficult decision, but I think the right one.

[Bunny]

41. I agree with you.

This may be controversial, but given the circumstances of that day, they may have had very little choice but to shoot the plane down. Of course, they would never admit to it, because of the public outcry it would raise.

None of which diminishes the heroism of the people on that plane - they did everything humanly possible to save their lives, and by extension, the lives of those in the original target.

[cynatnite]

43. Agree as well...

I don't know if they shot down the plane or not, but the people on 93 were heroes nonetheless.

I'm going to see the movie. I decided to after watching the segment on NBC tonight.

[file83]

50. So, you are saying that the TRANSCRIPT is a complete fabrication?

Not to mention, the 9/11 Commission is a complete fraud?

I'd have to agree with you. :thumbsup:

MIHOP all the way.

[Bunny]

53. I am NOT saying that the transcript of the cockpit voice recorder

for Flight 93 is a complete fabrication. I have no idea, actually. I do not see where anything in the transcript could preclude the plane being shot down. These two events could have occurred simultaneously, independent of each other.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

55. right.

simultaneously is a possibility. it helps to remember that. maybe at some point somebody will have an "ok children you're ready to hear the whole story" moment and toot their own horn a little bit. Hell, who knows, maybe the admin DID DO something in defense of the nation that day after all, aside from of course having a functional illiterate help youngsters learn to read. we may never know:(

[novalib]

63. Because They Are

Because the THUGS in the White House, and their lackeys in the Department of Defense, are MURDERERS and LIARS.

They lie BECAUSE THEY CAN.

I bet the sit around at night with each other, drinking and smoking cigars, and laughing about how they are able to make most Americans believe the lies they feed us.

[Raine]

67. Because Deadeye Dick

gave the order and if they admit they shot it down than that comes out and people will see who is really in charge. The MISadministration wants to keep that info from the public of course. x(

[Swamp Rat]

57. The plane was shot down. n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

60. based on the debris field, it's likely

[GalleryGod]

72. Even the TV Cast of CSI could've figured that out.

:crazy:

[Lisa]

58. also, Bush kept saying that the passengers crashed the plane

However, the passenger yelling that they had to get into the cockpit or they would die -- that suggests they were trying to take back control of the plane, and did not intend to commit suicide themselves (even to save lives on the ground).


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021203-4.html
"They took the plane into the ground to serve something greater than themselves."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021203-3.html
These citizens took the plane into the ground to save lives, to serve something greater than themselves.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021104-7.html
They took the plane into the ground to serve something greater than themselves in life.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021104-5.html
They took the plane into the ground, to save lives, to serve something greater than themselves.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021104-2.html
They took the plane into the ground to serve something greater than themselves.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021103-2.html
They took the plane into the ground to serve something greater than themselves.

[Neil Lisst]

62. "Let's Roll!" and Jessica Lynch killing 15 Iraqis - same myth machine

Team Bush takes the facts that they can use around to build a story, and they build that story.

It's their routine.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

65. actually "let's roll" happened. Jessica Lynch's 15 kills didn't. n/t

[Neil Lisst]

68. No, it didn't happen. "let's roll the drink cart" happened.

[MissMarple]

69. Let's "rock and roll", it's an old line.

It was shortened to "let's roll". The phrase is just so out there, and has been for quite some time...:shrug:

It may have been popularized because of its similarity to "lock and load".

I thought that entire thing was a piece of faux journalistic sensationalism.