What kind of BS is MSNBC trying to pull?????

[dogday]

Talking to a Goldstar Mom who was endorsing the war, endorsing the 9-11 and Saddam link.. It was totally sickening what she was saying.. They tried to get their digs in on Cindy Sheehan as well.. She is so proud of her son and so am I-- the difference is I don't want him risking his life for an unjust war... This woman used 9-11 to justify the war and that just pisses me off and pisses me off that the news uses Mothers of soldiers this way.....

[BlueEyedSon]

1. GE

[0007]

20. ....and the billions and billions of bucks that Make GE, the Carlyle Group

and the Halliburton cretin's what they are today. And ya better believe it is a corporate America type government. We've done lost it!

[gatorboy]

26. "GE...We bring good things to life..."

"Unless you're in Iraq, then we go for the opposite approach."

[Supersedeas]

2. News....and their sponsors

[wtmusic]

3. She was a Goldstar Mom?? nt

[dogday]

4. That's what they said nt

[amitten]

5. Well, she is entitled to her opinion just as Cindy is. And if

MSNBC wants to report on it, that is their right.

Parents of dead soldiers are not to be criticized, in my opinion. Right or wrong, they will grieve for a lifetime and should be allowed to voice their opinions freely and without being judged.

[BuyingThyme]

11. It should be known that she and her ilk are the ones who killed her son.

[liberalnurse]

15. Do you know what a Gold Star Mom

and/or the Group represents? They do not support the War. This lady may of lost a son but is not a Gold Star Mom.

That's the point of the post.

[dogday]

19. She was not present, this was

a phone conversation.... This reeks!!!!

[amitten]

22. Well, I didn't see. But I do know someone who lost a child in the

war, and they still support the war.

As crazy and wrong as it may be, some parents do continue to justify the death of their own child. But it is not for me to judge. My heart breaks for all of them.

[dogday]

30. I am not judging... I have a son in the war right now

It is the fact that the lie was propagated in such a fashion to make it look like the truth was the lie...

[JuniperLea]

24. I don't think so

http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/Home/index.htm


Sure, there are Gold Star Mothers for Peace and other like groups, but the core group is solely a support group for mothers who have lost children to war and there are no political leanings.

[acmejack]

35. I thought a gold star mom had lost her child to the war.

A gold star mom for peace, like Cindy had lost her child and was ALSO against the war.

[kittenwithmittens]

41. Do YOU know what a Gold Star Mom is?

Gold Star Mothers has been around since WW1. They are a non-political organization of mothers who have lost children in war. The organization takes no position on the war, but they support the troops 1000%. As individuals, many Gold Star Mothers are supportive of the war.

Gold Star Families for Peace is a group that Cindy helped found, and does take a position against the Iraq war. Cindy is not a member of Gold Star Mothers. She is a member of Gold Star Families for Peace.

My great aunt has been a Gold Star Mother since 1970, when her son was killed in Vietnam.

[dogday]

42. Well that explains what I heard about that

I guess her Son has passed and I am extremely sorry for her... But I cannot as a mother of a soldier, who is over there right now, endorse this war, or spread lies about it.. I can support the troops, and I do.. I know a few of the boys now, and they feel like family to me as well, I pray for them too..

It irks me when the lies are told to bolster the reason we went in the first place....

[kittenwithmittens]

43. I will send good thoughts for your son

I am sure he will be fine, the odds are way in his favor. I live in Vermont, and there are many of our citizens in the NG that have deployed. While Vermonters have been strongly anti-war, many of the guardsmen come home and are less than happy about the anti-war activities that are going on here on their behalf. It's a very strange situation.

Vermont has always given more lives per capita than other states. It is very liberal, but very pro military, and very pro gun. Like I said, strange situation.

Best wishes to you and your son (assuming a male child, forgive me if I was wrong.)

[JuniperLea]

18. I tend to agree

Walk a mile in their moccasins before judging. What parent wants to think their child died for no good reason? Sometimes we seek out ways to justify an in justice. Just let them be.

The news agency is another matter altogether! Give them hell... tell them they do no one any good by showing this stuff. It only makes the parent look irrational and the news agency look shifty.

[dogday]

31. Since my son serves in Iraq right now

I am not walking the mile, I am just scared shitless every day... I am not putting down the mother, it is the news and the way the use things and say things to propagate their lies....

[JuniperLea]

39. I'm scared shitless for you, dogday

I won't pretend to know exactly how you feel, but I've tried. My mind won't let me go there... which is an indication to me that this sort of thing is a horrendous burden to a parent and the mere imaginings that this could be my situation would be exceedingly painful.

You are right. The media needs to be held accountable every bit as much as the administration. Spreading blatant lies under the guise of a parent who has lost a child is unconscionable, immoral, unethical, despicable and disgusting.

Is there anywhere here on DU that you know of where a list of names of fellow DU family and friends (serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, or even in the crews we now know are on the ground in Iran) might be found?


I know I did nothing that resulted in sending your son over there, but I feel like I should apologize.

[dogday]

21. Her son is not dead and she

propagated a lie that Saddam and 9-11 was connected and the reporter did not bother to correct, if fact it was the reporter who asked the question.. All this was done by phone, so I never saw the Mother... Her son is alive as is my son who serves in Iraq....

[valerief]

6. Pls don't talk about the WH media echo chamber like that.

There doing their best to manipulate public opinion.

[Patchuli]

7. I feel for her loss

but there is no 9-11 link with Saddam and anyone who "endorses" that is just plain ignorant. Perhaps she just can't face her loss knowing it was for bs reasons? Either way, I think MSNBC can try to make this war more appetizing to the public but I don't think Americans are buying it anymore.

[dogday]

10. She has not lost her son

her son is serving in Iraq like mine....

[Pirate Smile]

23. "Gold Star" Mom means you've lost a child in the War.

Cindy started a group of gold star parents against the War but I think there are gold star groups that support it also.

I walk by houses with the blue stars in their windows which means they have a family member at war. It becomes a gold star if the person dies.

[dogday]

25. She said GoldStar

And she talked like her Son was alive...

[shanti]

28. he probably is...

in her own mind.

[Pirate Smile]

29. Well, for her sake, I hope so. Most people know there isn't a link

anymore. If she wants to keep beating that poor dead horse, she can but the media shouldn't let people come on and just spout things they know to be untrue.

I'm glad I missed it. It would have irritated me to no end.

[Bridget Burke]

33. Then she is NOT a Gold Star Mom....

Back in WWI, people began hanging banners in their windows. Each Blue Star represented a son in the service. If one died, a gold star replaced the blue one.

The phrase "Gold Star Mom" does not necessarily mean that the lady belongs to the association with that name. But it does mean she lost a child in a war.

(My mother was a Gold Star Wife.)

[JuniperLea]

27. Bingo

Gold Star Mothers are a support group, non-political. That is the core group. There are many others that use the Gold Star designation.

http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/Home/index.htm

[dogday]

32. Since I am a Mother of a Soldier in Iraq

would BlueStar be a good group for me?

[JuniperLea]

40. If I were you

I'd google blue star moms and see what comes up. If it's anything like the gold stars, there will be many groups with many different areas of focus.

Oh, dogday...

:hug:

[Patchuli]

44. Then she really needs to back off of Cindy

since she hasn't gone through what Cindy has. Secondly, she's a bushbot.

I wish a safe return for your son!

[wookie294]

8. Well

Don't get too discouraged. Most of America has woken up and realize Saddam wasn't involved in 9/11. I think the Mom you saw needs to find a reason for this idiot war and is willing to deny reality -- sort of like a battered wife who makes excuses for not leaving her wife-beating husband. Many people will always believe the Bush lies.

[rodeodance]

9. was this a news segment?

[dogday]

12. Yes, the female announcer who

is on now did the interview... Never saw the mother, it was a phone interview... That's another weird thing about it...

[rodeodance]

16. thanks.

[peacetalksforall]

34. Forgive me my cynicism - but it was probably Karen H's secretary who

was on the phone (or a DeLay door pounder). Those who facilitate WH lies (GE) which we have been subject to, don't deserve to be believed and deserve cynicism.

It may be wrong of me to pick the subject of living and dead soldiers to say that, but it was wrong of GE to faciliate all the lies the caused them to be there and some of them to die. They've spent millions of dollars to make people, who don't know about the GE agenda to aid the WH, into believers and patriots.

And they are probably being paid millions to do it.

[dogday]

36. It bugged me too... I am so miserable about my Son

being in this war. I cannot in good conscience support this war, but I do support him...When I hear this, because my Son is serving, it tends to make me just a wee bit crazy....

[peacetalksforall]

38. I know what you mean - I think we have to keep on making distinctions...

there is a distinction between our kids who are the soldiers and the brass.

Within those groups we have -

a distinction between the brass who support politicians,corporations, and those who lead the imperialist role vs honorable career brass who take a moral path.

There are also distinctions within the soldier groups.

And there are distinctions between the parents.

I don't think there are leftover accusers from Vietnam days who blame the kids anymore. We were always told that our military was there for defense. We didn't make up the Vietnam and Iraq wars lies for ourselves. We are guided by believing in our leaders' lies. We keep on being betrayed by them.

[yurbud]

13. bushies are worried and falling back on old talking points

[AX10]

14. A desperate attempt by GE to prop up support for the war....

and boost their rating.s

[dogday]

17. They are bringing up 9-11 and pushing terra and

wars as much as they can... This was not right, the announcer said "what do you say about people who say that Saddam was connected to 9-11?"... She rambled on about how 9-11 changed us and we must fight to keep us safe, she encouraged the lie and the reporter did not stop and say it was not true...

[ShortnFiery]

37. The real ghouls are the one's using her sorrow to manipulate

her into appearing on National TV. Not everyone copes well with the death of their beloved child. All these manipulative operators have to do is say the right things and suggest this ... suggest that. I blame the Rove-Co operatives pulling the strings behind the scenes.