Posts that insult transgendered people are no longer acceptable at DU.

[Duncan Grant]

I have decided to take a stand against the shameful anti-trans sentiment in the Ann Coulter threads at DU. Honestly, can't you people deride a jingoistic xenophobe without talking about a penis, hands, adam's apple, fingers, birth certificates, bathrooms, or a vagina?

And calling people an "It" is beyond contempt - :banghead:.

DU, you need to evolve on this issue - preferably today.

[knitter4democracy]

1. I agree.

She's not evil because she might be transgendered. She's evil because she just is and has chosen to be.

[stevietheman]

18. I believe this is the general position of most of us.

And there's nothing wrong with it.

[Duncan Grant]

29. Thanks for going on the record!

I understand the need some people have to dehumanize Ann (not that that's commendable either) but to do it at the expense of our own allies seems at the very least, ignorant. :hi:

[stevietheman]

62. it's about the potential of Ann Coulter lying about who she is...

not that's there anything wrong with being transgendered. It's the hypocrisy.

[rfranklin]

66. I think it is used because it riles the right not to attack people here...

It's just like when I was going to the Dem hq to work for Kerry I joked that it was a meeting of the Socialist Workers Party.

Using their prejudices against them does not diminish anyone of any gender or sexual preference.

Let's make it about beating up on the right wingers.

[VelmaD]

2. You are 100 percent correct

I'm always appalled at the way supposed liberals and progressives will resort to the same kind of name calling we deplore when the right-wingers engage in it.

Here it is people...if the best you can do when you disagree with someone is desparage their gender, race, religion, physical appearance, etc...then you really don't have anything useful to say and should probably refrain from commenting.

[Atman]

6. Wait a minute now...you make a dangerous assumption

that there is ever anything useful to say about Ann Coulter.

Just sayin.

[VelmaD]

8. Good point...

which begs the question...why are we talking about her in the first place? Don't we have anything better to do?

[lpbk2713]

22. I know you couldn't list all groups

and you didn't intentionally overlook any groups but while we're at it, I'd like to share my observation that state/region bashing and age-bashing are all too common here at DU. Personally I have higher expectations from DU.

[Atman]

30. And I'm gonna smack the next person who makes fun of

WRINKLED OLD TRANNIES FROM POINTY-HEADED LIBERAL ELITE-VILLE, NEW ENGLAND!

[VelmaD]

54. As a Texan I understand...

exactly where you're coming from on the state bashing. We should be better people than that.

[Duncan Grant]

63. Sometimes I think we value "snark" over a compelling argument.

It's always bothered me to see progressives engage in the same schoolyard taunts that Ann, Hannity, etc. use. Why we stoop so low is beyond me. :hi:

[Atman]

3. Absolutely!

Calling Ann "Transgendered" is an insult to men, women, and everyone inbetween!

(Uh...was that any better?)

[CottonBear]

20. Ann is an skinny, anorexic woman with a mean and evil soul.

Her mean and evil soul is what makes her truly ugly on the inside and thus also ugly on the outside.

She could be an fairly attractive woman if she wasn;t so damned skinny and mean.

[TomInTib]

28. Hey! Lay off skinny people!

heh - just kidding there, CB.

Where do we stop?

[CottonBear]

57. Ann is simply an unpleasant person, skinny or fat. n/t

[progressivebydesign]

108. Hey! Why are you picking on MEAN people! Not fair! n/t

[CottonBear]

114. LOL! It's really the entire Ann package that makes her awful. n/t

[crispini]

4. AMEN!

:yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock::yourock:

[Duncan Grant]

69. Great minds...

:yourock: :hi:

[SmokingJacket]

5. I'm with you.

The reason she sucks is because she's an IDIOT -- her gender issues have nothing to do with it, and they aren't even funny.

Personally, I prefer the Ann Coulter PIE jokes.

[Roland99]

7. Oh, FFS! This is P.C. gone amok.

Give me a break.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. no it isnt

trans people are discriminated against everywhere....even with the glbt community...why do they have to hear such cruel shit from fellow liberals?

[Roland99]

13. Who is criticizing transgendered people? All I saw was a thread poking

fun at Ann Coulter for very obvious reasons.


No different than calling out the hypocritical closeted homosexuals in the GOP.

[crispini]

14. Nope. Think about being a transgendered person reading that thread.

How would you feel?

[Roland99]

21. I would probably laugh, too.

I suppose you think people like Richard Pryor, Robin Williams, George Carlin, etc. aren't funny either.

[The Magistrate]

41. You Miss The Point, Sir

Such accusations against this person can only gain weight of insult, as they are clearly intended to be, if there is a pre-existing belief that there is something wrong with a trans-gendered condition. Thus the whole line of attack is, at bottom, an appeal to prejudice, albeit generally an unexamined or even unconcious one. There are a great many good reasons to despise this person, and this is one that could certainly be done without.

[Roland99]

44. While you raise good points the concern is misdirected

I'm not aware of any statement of fact concerning Ann Coulter being a transgendered person. Therefore, any claims that DU posters are leveling insults at transgendered persons are baseless.

[The Magistrate]

59. Again, Sir, You Miss The Point

Starting with the "Mann Coulter" formulation, and prceeding routinely into greater and greater detail, including periodic posting of links to sites claiming to connect her to an old drag performer, such claims are routine here, and appear whenever her name surfaces. The entire line of attack has no point at all unless it is taken for granted there is something wrong with a transgendered condition; without such a root belief, the thing would be no more of an insult than would saying she was tall be. To use the claim someone is transgendered as an insult is to set up being transgendered as a condition it is proper to insult, and thus validates insult and contempt directed towards persons genuinely afflicted with the condition.

[Roland99]

72. I think post #60 gets the point across properly.

[The Magistrate]

79. Not in My View, Sir

Agreement with me on the subject, of course, is not required. The rules of the forum allow wide latitude for abuse of public figures, and we enforce the rules, not our private views, certainly.

[Roland99]

84. People like Coulter put themselves out there in the public eye...

to not point out when they criticize others for what they, themselves, are or appear to be is to accept their condemnations and I refuse to fall under that spell.

People in glass houses, eh?

[crispini]

75. Magistrate, you rock.

Very well put.

[DURHAM D]

19. Why? .- I agree with OP.

The jokes/comments are neither clever or funny.

I have never been able to figure out what type of person finds the gender remarks amusing.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

25. I don't think so

I'm fat and it is hurtful when people call Rush a pig, talk about Cheney looking all fat and bloated...because it sets ME in the same category with them and I don't wanna be THERE!

T-Grannie

[Roland99]

33. Well, if you feel that way then, imho, there's nothing I can do or say.

That's a ridiculous stance.


I'm male. I'm white. Am I in the same boat as Bush and Cheney, then?


I went to Catholic school for 12 years. OMG! I'm a Pat Robertson supporter!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!




:eyes:

[jonnyblitz]

40. it most certainly the fuck IS NOT!!!

:mad:

[Roland99]

42. mmmmkay

[Nobody]

86. PC Gone Amok is another name for

intentional offensiveness.

Someone once said to me that he couldn't please everyone when I told him about a phrase that never fails to piss me off. I told him that he has choices to make. You can't please everyone. But you can choose who you do want to offend.

When you choose to be offensive by using the term "Ann the Man" or terms like it, it says a lot about who you think it's acceptable to offend.

For me, transexuals are not fair game for offending.

[Roland99]

88. See my post #84

[Nobody]

116. I stand by my previous statement

Ann Coulter is a hateful excuse for a human being. That is no reason to stoop to her level. When you equate a group, any group, to negative traits, making insults out of them, you are making a statement about the group you choose to use as an insult. That statement is that it's acceptable to use them as the basis for insult, that there is something very wrong with the group you're using as an insult.

Another example I see all the time: "So and so meeds to grow some balls." Oh? Half of all humans don't come with balls and it doesn't affect courage and the ability to stand up for themselves at all. Equating "no balls" with "cowardice" is an implication that all people without balls are cowards. It also implies that it's acceptable to use "woman" as an insult. It goes back to the old childish standby I grew up with and am trying to eradicate: "You throw like a girl!" which is even used to insult people who throw like girls because they ARE girls. My response is always this: Of course I throw like a girl. I hit what I aim at.

[Roland99]

125. See, there's that misdirected anger and, yes, ignorance.

"grow some balls" does not equate women with cowardice (or eunuchs if any exist today).


It's synonymous with having guts. If I said Hillary showed some balls by renouncing the Iraq war, it wouldn't mean I thought she was a man. It would mean I thought she showed courage and strength. Generally, I don't use that phrase. I usually say, "cajones".


OMG! I just insulted Hispanic women!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. had you read the thread in GLBT forum that i posted discussing

transphobia on du?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=27592&mesg_id=27592

[Atman]

15. TRANSPHOBIA?

Oh, jeezuz!

This is a message board, not an indi-fetish bar!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. it is a message board for liberals

who should know better than to think "transphobia" is a indi-fetish bar word

[Atman]

27. Who said it was? I said "this isn't an indi-fetish bar!" It isn't.

I don't see anyone here. I don't know or care if anyone is transgendered or not, and until you brought it up and threw it in my face, I never gave it a second thought!

But now you're telling us in what context we can apply WORDS?

You're going too far. You are seeing a problem where none exists. People here hate Ann Coulter, and as with anyone else, we poke fun at her in the most obvious ways. But that doesn't mean people are "transphobic." Perhaps a bit childish at worst, but there is no crime in that!

Don't get your panties in a wad.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

64. yes actually there are ways that words should not be applied

you can excuse bigotry any way you wish to, but words do have power. and you can choose to be sexist/racist/homophobic or transphobic depending on how you say things...

its why normal people dont use the word nigger

there are inappropriate use of some words...and to deny that is just stupid.

[wtmusic]

11. Those posts remind me of

the posts where people make light of someone's (anyone's) death. Not a place we need to go, or should.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

12. You sure are right

and I've been waiting for somebody to call them on it.

Transgendered folks have enough insults to deal with without finding them here.

[Vinnie From Indy]

16. When will DU learn that they can't have it both ways...hey wait a minute!

I agree that all people should be respected. Good reminder!

[duupertrooper]

23. WHY WERE THEY 'ACCEPTABLE' TO BEGIN WITH????????

[LostinVA]

24. I 100% agree -- and I also think we need to stop using "bitch"

on here, too. I'm tired of it being used in such a nasty, sexist way.

[dogday]

35. Why don't we just let the moderators do their jobs?

If they find these things offensive, they will deal with it... Man we could be here all night listing stuff about what we don't like posted on DU, but in the end tolerance and free speech have to win out... I try to take it with a grain of salt as we say, some stuff hits hard, but I can deal with it.

[Atman]

46. Maybe we all need a lesson in CONTEXT

All you BITCH FAT TRANNY LIBERAL DOUCHEBAG HOMO RED-STATER REDNECK CARPET-MUNCHING DRUGGIE BIBLE-THUMPING MIDGET TOWEL-HEAD LADY-BOY GOO GOBBLERS, I've had ENOUGH of people making fun of the moderators!

[dogday]

56. You said a mouthful nt

[JuniperLea]

67. Well said

We need to get over ourselves. There are a hell of a lot worse situations in the world.

With a son in Iraq, dogday, I imagine just about anything seems trivial to you.

I've thought about you and your son all morning... jeez. People don't know what being put upon is. I'd rather be raked over any manner of coals, be insulted in any manner, than you be in your spot. In fact, I'd set myself up for the worst prejudice the world could hurl if it could keep me from being in your shoes, dear lady.


:hug:

[dogday]

73. You are right on!!!

There are many more important things everyone.. This war needs to be stopped. My Son needs to come home and I don't care what people call me as long as they work for change and for the better...

[Lars39]

36. I think DU lost a lot of good members over that decision.

It set a tone that is very perceptible.

[Roland99]

38. Why not? Esp. when it fits the person it's directed toward?

How is it generalizing or directed at all of a certain gender or race?


Newsflash: IT'S NOT!

[Jacobin]

45. Yeah. And I'm offended at the use of the word "Bastard"

It has no place here on DU where shaming someone whose parents weren't married at their conception.

Oh, and I'm sick and tired of people demeaning fundamentalist christians. They are simply un-redeemed sycophantic cultists and they need love and understanding and not simply name calling.

I have a whole list of these things that get me upset and I'm gonna spend tonight putting together a post and start a petition to change the DU rules to make certain that NO ONE regardless of circumstances, small or big, fat or skinny, stupid or smart, lazy or energetic, ANYONE at all can ever be castigated or subject to ridicule on this board ever ever ever again!!!!

[Darkhawk32]

58. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Nice.

:headbang:

[JuniperLea]

77. Ok, Jacobin!

Don't forget people who use too much or too little punctuation... choose incorrect words... spell poorly...


We are liberal... we think... however; we only want to hear liberal views/words that agree with what we see/say.

[nini]

47. sorry..

I used it below...

I use it when it applies.

[progressivebydesign]

103. Oh yes.. and we must stop posting anything that might not be PC.

"bitch", ya.. there's a real big problem in America. Whether or not people on DU use the word Bitch. What word should we use? No wonder right wingers make fun of us.. we deserve it.

[porphyrian]

26. Heh, heh, you said penis... - n/t

[leftstreet]

31. heh heh, vagina

[porphyrian]

34. Mm...heh, heh.... - n/t

[eShirl]

32. as a wise man once said

"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." -Jesus (Matthew 15:11)

[Atman]

37. Jesus wore a dress!

:-)

[Lars39]

39. And that's a bad thing?

[Atman]

50. NO.

That is the point!

You should see me in a leather mini-skirt! I'm no Jesus, but hey...

[Jacobin]

52. and people wonder why we lose elections..........

:smoke:

Can you even imagine folks in the heartland taking this thread seriously....

fuck

[nini]

43. She's a bitch.

I don't care what anyone says about her to be honest with you. I find it hard to give a shit how she's attacked. I'm more repulsed she calls me and those who believe what I do a traitor.


If it bothers you and you bring it up then others need to respect your feelings and not do this around you. But, in general to hell with here and her evil, corrupt soul.

[Dogmudgeon]

48. There's a long, long list

Here's The List:

• Fat people (this is ubiquitous)


• Prison rape (man-on-man)


• Christians (progressive or not, no distinction is made)


• New Agers (you would think they're all killers and thugs)


• The word "Lame" as an insult (it sounds dumb even when kids use it)


• Southerners (give it a rest already!)


• Men, as a gender (almost all of us oppose sexism -- really)


• People who eat meat (I'm still astounded by this one)


• Frequent "Pedo Frenzies" incl. unsupported accusations of pedophilia (just plain sick)

I know I forgot several, so feel free to add to them. And, certainly, there are the complementary complaints. Frequently, both sets of complaints are valid.

Now, I understand the difference between Politically Correct speech and a good, scathing insult. Sometimes, the mud splatters a bit, but most people understand it, and often have a good laugh, too. The problem is that some of these "categories" are used as terms of abuse every single fricken day. I agree, we've got to exercise a little artistic discretion, if for no other reason that it makes our most outlandish insults weak and ineffective.

--p!
Pigwidgeon (n): A person of little or no importance. From Latin, pecunius, a coin (or other unit) of small value, often used for counting household expenses.
Recently appropriated as an intellectual property by author J.K. Rowling, several years after the DUer Pigwidgeon originally adopted the name (on a defunct Improv site).

[tularetom]

68. You forgot a couple

Outing gay republicans.
The word "tard" or "retard".
The word "spaz" (Tiger Woods got roasted here for using it at the Masters).
Condomsleezy Rice tossing watermelons off buildings (there are a couple of posts on this topic right now).

I wouldn't intentionally or I hope even negligently post anything here to hurt anyone's feelings but I hope the forum doesn't get reduce to "Bush is a dick" posts.

[hlthe2b]

49. No problem.... But, that goes for the misogynistic posts too.

Heterosexual women referred to as "breeders." Not to mention some of the horrible comments about the black woman who has reported rape at the hands of Duke athletes.... While we do not yet know the veracity of her claims, assuming she was NOT raped because she was a stripper only underscores the usual insinuation that women were "asking for it."

Similarly, I've seen the most nasty things posted about "fat people," "religious people" (and yes ALL religion lumped with the RW fundie nuts), not to mention those who think it appropriate to post Fred Phelp's extreme hate speech against gays in thread subject lines (without quotes), just to be "provocative!"

I think there are many issues that should elicit a bit more sensitive attitude than what we sometimes see on this-- the hallmark of progressive forums. 94114_San_Francisco, I agree with you. You will undoubtedly be accused of being the PC patrol. Goes with the territory, I guess.

[JuniperLea]

51. I'm half with you

The other half wants to scream... get a grip. Sorry if that offends. I guess I was just raised differently.

My first real job was working for a gay couple, in their home, in Long Beach, CA. Because of that job and living in Long Beach, I've met every kind of human being imaginable. I've partied with them, worked beside them, had them babysit my kids... gave waxing and plucking advice... you name it. Not long ago a transgendered work-neighbor, upon hearing me say something about Bill O'Lielly, asked me if I'd ever seen Ann Coulter... and, with a twinkle in her eye and a giggle in her voice, she asked if I noticed the Adam's apple and asked if I thought she is or once was a man. We giggled like school girls... together... ???


:shrug:


I guess because I was raised knowing and loving people without prejudice, my perspective is different than most. I feel the same way about gay and lesbian issues as I do about racial issues... there's just too much division on both sides. Until we stop pointing out the differences as if there were something wrong with differences... as long as we keep putting labels on ourselves and each other, we will never all come together. That is wrong. I hate it. When my kids went to school and I had to fill out those cards telling them what race we were... I flat refused. Teachers and Principals hated seeing me... hated having to call me for more information... I just don't like pigeon holes and I refuse to crawl in one or put my kids in one or put my friends in one.

I refuse to think in terms of gay, transgendered, bi, lesbian, black, white, brown... I flat refuse.


We can't go on like this. We are all human beings and one is no different than the other, not better, not different!


Sorry... rant off...

[bloom]

74. It is always different when the group in question

is joking about themselves.


A lot of these "jokes" come off as sounding like what I would expect from a bunch of people who do NOT not know and/or consider the sensibilities of the people (as a group) whom are they insulting (if they just insulted Coulter - it would one thing). And since offense seems to be synonymous with humor these days - a lot of people seem to need reminding that it's not funny for everybody.

[JuniperLea]

106. I think it has more to do with people being comfortable in their own skin

n/t

[Warpy]

53. The problem is that nobody wants to claim her

Not women, not men, not transgendered women, not drag queens.

Every scrap of empathy, compassion, tolerance, and charity that make most of us human is missing from poor Annie. It's no wonder we have trouble classifying her.

There should be a new classification out there for heartless right wing skank/rotter.

[CottonBear]

65. You've figured it out! she's a heartless right wing skank/rotter. n/t

[Darkhawk32]

55. How can you expect people to follow your lead when you have ...

such thin skin?

Answer: They won't.

A joke is a joke and it should be taken as such, especially when it applies to a right-wing douchebag like Ann Coulter.


Sometimes people need to stop being so hypersensitive.

[VelmaD]

71. I have a question...

about the use of douchebag as an insult...I see it bandied about here periodically. I want someone to explain to me why if what comes out of a woman's vagina is so disgusting that we use it as an insult...why do so many guys want to get in there?

Getting the irony?

[Darkhawk32]

76. Whose irony? Theirs or mine?

Because frankly, I could care less if somebody is offended by the use of the word "douchebag"....

Would fuckface be better?

Would hellhag be better?

Would "a load that should've been swallowed" be better?

[VelmaD]

78. Well, it's only your irony...

if you're a straight guy.

Offense is not the point of my question...it was to point out the absurdity of some of the things we use as insults.

[Darkhawk32]

85. Sure some of them are absurd and it should be taken as such.

People need to quit being such pussies about things...

Oops I did it again.

[JuniperLea]

97. I have a couple of gay friends who called me

Fruit fly... and had they said fag hag... meh. Who the hell cares.

When someone calls me fat, I pity them for being so shallow. Wait. I can call someone shallow, can't I?


:eyes:

[npincus]

60. PC run amok

and I suppose Stephanie Miller is anti-trans, as she comments on the presense of an Adams apple and probable penis on Ann Coulter on a daily basis-- and I mean, daily basis. It is a running joke, and not meant to slander actual, real transgender people. Coulter does have a protroding Adams apple, deep voice and large hands... how do you know she is not transgender? The joke is that she is a hateful, narrow-minded nasty harpy, and would be the most vocally disapproving of this kind of individual. That is the JOKE. That Coulter herself is what she would scorn most. Not what I, or Staphanie Miller, or anyone else would scorn most. That is the JOKE.

Free speech may offend, but in this case was not meant to. As the creator of the 'Coulter-with-penis' photoshop, I am sorry if your feelings or anyone else's were hurt. But really, I thnk a kneejerk assumption that transgender folks are being mocked and not Coulter, is an over reaction.

[Poll_Blind]

82. Well-said and true for many of us. I call Rush a fat bastard but I have..

...nothing against overweight people.

Shit, if I could find some way to insult Rush, Coulter, et al. because they had eyebrows I would in a heartbeat, especially among friends here at DU. But people, don't go thinking we're trying to tear down a whole class of people because of it.

Bush is a beady-eyed, hook-nosed ex-alcoholic ex-cocaine addict asshole.

Yet, when I call him that I assure you I have only love in my heart for those whose eyes are closer together than most. I love all types of noses! Ex-alcoholics and ex-cocaine addicts are incredible people, having overcome great diversity.

Assholes, well. I love mankind and it's got it's share of assholes. I still love assholes in some species-centric sort of way, I guess. An asshole that's human is better, say, than an asshole hyena. And beleive me, hyenas are assholes, every one.

PB

[npincus]

91. tee hee-- yeah, I call FUX "The Missing White Woman Network"

So, since I am a white woman, does that mean I am self-hating? I ask you: who will defend us white women from such hateful bigotry?

Really, people here MUST lighten up.

[nini]

95. well said.. You summed up my view on this

:thumbsup:

[progressivebydesign]

113. And is it wrong to say that Brit Hume looks like a Shar Pei or Hound?

I think the PC bit is just soo over the top, as are the weekly 'panties in bunch' posts telling 80k people HOW to post. This is not first grade.. I think if someone doesn't like the tone of posts here, they can choose not to post here. For example, I don't post at Freerepublic because I happen to find those people to be completely vile, as well as their posts. I am not going over there telling them how to think and what to write.

[npincus]

127. yes- the Mods pulled my photoshop masterpiece so qucikly

here is the sanitized version:



The original was the same, sans blue dot! The person who started this thread must have complained, and it was pulled.

[Roland99]

131. Well I was going to click 'alert', myself. I believe nudity is not allowed

For various reasons. One of which is that minors could come across this site and see that picture and watch out for that legal hammer to fall if a parent should find out no disclaimer exists on this site.

[Lucent Umbra]

61. Glad to see someone bring this up

Just registered yesterday and was waiting to be able to post. The 'it' comments really steamed me as well. Stuff like this just ends up coming off as bigotry to me no matter who it is directed at.

[derby378]

70. Offensensitivity

It's a word that Berke Breathed's Opus coined in Bloom County to describe the state of being offended by darn near everyone and everything.

If you want to clamp down on actual hate, I'm with you all the way. Otherwise, some of you need to get some backbone. Please.

[crispini]

81. Oh, c'mon, derby,

How many times have you read a thread here on DU that bashed Texans and it totally frosted your nads? ;)

[Nobody]

92. It takes a lot of backbone to

stand up and say something is offensive.

Please remember that though we can't avoid offending everyone, we do choose who we offend. Any time someone is being offensive, it's a choice. The choice of who we offend says a lot about who and what we value.

[JuniperLea]

102. I wonder if people are offended

when they aren't comfortable with themselves?

:shrug:

[Nobody]

133. Not necessarily

No matter how comfortable you are with yourself, when what you are is the basis for insult, if you respect yourself at all, you become offended.

[sgsmith]

126. Screw All the DU transgender haters

For a group of people that likes to portray themselves as put upon, disrespected, hated and every other vile thing that you think the Republicans say about the Democrats, you folks are NO BETTER and spout the same vile, hateful, crap messages to those who you think you can make fun of.

It doesn't matter if Ann Coulter is male, female, or some other mixture. People are born that way - get over it and stop making personal attacks because of what you perceive a person is. As far as I'm concerned, you're pretty much just as ignorant as those you make fun of.

If Ann Coulter is transgender (which I really doubt), at least she had the knowledge to recognize and work towards resolving her personal issue. If she's AIS, that's a biological "throw of the dice" that she had absolutely no control over. If she's a true XX female, she got a set of genes that certainly don't do much to improve her appearance. I guess every fat / disabled / person with genetic disabilities / deaf / dumb / blind / cleft lip individual is open to scorn on this board.

I'm transgendered. I know other transgendered people from all over the world. It's a shame that folks who profess to be better than the Republicans are, in actually, just as bigoted as those they despise.

Since you people seemingly can't look at evidence with a rational mine, listen up.

At least three lines of that voter registration form weren't filled out. Putting gender down at the bottom of the form, far away from where it's normally located (like next to birth date), just shows that whomever created that form was just as screwed up as the folks who created the butterfly ballot in Miami. Personally, I'd think it's reasonable that she got distracted when filling out the form and didn't notice the omissions.

[Crowdance]

80. Absolutely agree!

We are more magnificent than that. We don't need to denigrate any population in order to make our points. The woman is a horrible human being, who has acted and spoken in heinous ways; that, alone, is sufficient fodder for our scorn.

I'd like those who recommend that you get a thicker skin to offer up their own sore points. Some volunteers among us could make sure we regularly push pointy sticks into their sore spots. It might be educational for all concerned. I'll volunteer to carry a point stick if someone out there wants to participate.

[Post]

83. Ann Coulter

Is she or isn't she really MAN Coulter? here: http://postanapology.blogspot.com/2006/04/transgender-ann-coulter-voter-fraud.html#links

[dogday]

87. I am offended by this war!!!!!

I am offended that my only Son serves in Iraq.

I am offended by the deaths of 2364 american soldiers.

I am offended by the deaths of 34139-38280 Iraqis.

I am offended by this President who wiretaps American Citizens and searches without warrants, and is slowly eroding the Constitution of this country..

I am offended that we could even think of attacking Iran...

I am so offended by this government that nobody here can say anything that would offend me even more...

[Roland99]

96. Choose your battles wisely

Political Correctness is a bane of the left.

Esp. in the light of so much evil in the government and the kidnapping of America in order to wage war in the name of democracy and profit is the greatest offense in the history of this country.

[dogday]

98. That is so true..... nt

[Roland99]

104. This is what Ritter was criticizing, in essence, in the anti-war movement

in his recent blog post.


The anti-war movement is so fractured by other agendas (Vegetarians, animal-rights activists, feminists, etc.) that it's become a joke.


The left needs to FOCUS on what's important. RIGHT NOW, the most important thing is getting this country off the imperialistic path and start focusing on the problems at home (debt, economy, SS, Medicare). If the gov't goes under due to the mounting fiscal woes, it won't matter if you're fat, black, gay, etc. You're all going to be in a soup line or dealing with a foreign occupying army.

[Darkhawk32]

110. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF SOMETHING....

STOP DRESSING LIKE FREAKS OR SOME STRANGE STREET THEATRE.

People look at it, laugh and dismiss the whole point of your protest.

[dogday]

118. I don't care if people show up naked...

As long as they show up and protest... There is a reason they dress like that... To grab the attention of their audience, to get their message out.. The only people who like to laugh are the republicans, and look at them and some of the outfits they wear... Both sides do this...

[Darkhawk32]

123. Fine. Showing up is great, but by distracting from your message,

you'll be preaching to the choir and that gets you nowhere.

There's a reason why people (not just Republicans) refer to the "Loony Left".

[dogday]

124. You are swallowing the Republican line my friend

that is what a Republican says...

[dogday]

112. Then nobody is going to care who says what

when you don't have a freaking thing to eat..... It's the war stupid (i don't mean you) :sarcasm:

[Roland99]

115. Exactly!

[Nobody]

137. Beware of the camel's nose

The time to kick the camel out of the tent is before it sneaks in under the guise of "Can I just please please pretty please stick just my tiny little nose in here?"

Pretty soon the camel's head in inside. Then the neck. Then the front half, then the entire camel is inside and you'll have a devil of a time kicking it out because now there's no room for you.

[Iblis]

89. Darkhwk is right, and

This is the kind of thread that gives 'liberals' a bad name.

Nobody ever say anything bad about anyone ever! <---How's that? Will that make everyone happy?


Also, I think it's insulting to assume that ALL GLBT persons are Liberal and/or Democrat. I'm sure a quick survey of Google would find at least ONE GLBT conservative/republican organization...



*sheesh*

[Lars39]

90. What I find interesting about this whole thread

are the people that reveal more about themselves than they think they do.

[ourbluenation]

93. I can't worry about you not finding humor in the idea of coulter

as a man. Her, of all people. That's the joke and a good one at that.

Oh and by the way, I will fight for your civil rights till the day but please don't lay your pc crap on me.

Let's all have a glass of wine and relax...Cheers!

[ourbluenation]

101. and btw, coulter is not transgendered so we're not making fun of a

transgender person. we're poking fun at her...

[progressivebydesign]

105. I'm with you ourbluenation... n/t

[ourbluenation]

109. cheers!

:toast:

[Ksec]

94. I never try to insult anyone.

I end up doing so anyway, unintentionally. I find people get offended at things I didnt think possible. The other day there were some complaining about offensive comments towards hillbillies. Hell, Im a hillbilly and I thought nothing of them. Some folks look at things too sensitively. We should know that thats a weakness. If youre vulnerable to some comment then you can be sure someone will take advantage of it . Its better to develop a thick skin . We all get insulted at one thing or another, thats just life.

If Ive offended anyone about anything, let me be the first to apologise.

[Iblis]

99. Brave words for a man with Chief Wahoo as his avatar! LOL!!! n/t

eom

[Ksec]

111. You prove my point.

Its the Cleveland Indians logo . More than half of our team are blacks and hispanics. If you find that offensive then youre Waaaaay to sensitive.

[progressivebydesign]

100. Some people need to evolve in their oversensitivity..

for heaven's sake. I'm so fucking sick of PC lately. I'm sorry.. but if Ann Coulter has an Adam's apple, and I poin that out.. that means nothing other than she has an adam's apple. period. Ann Coulter is such a wonderful, kind, sweet, lady. I can see where you'd get your panties (the unisex kind) in a bunch over her.

[ourbluenation]

107. me too - christonacracker...nobody seems to give a shit when

religious people or righties for that matter are poked fun at.

[Roland99]

117. along those lines....

one thing I do try to write when I criticize the Falwells, Dobsons, etc. is I call them pseudo-Christians for they surely do not follow the teachings of Jesus.

[arwalden]

121. But They ARE Christians.

[progressivebydesign]

129. I try to emphasis the hypocrites posing as christians, too.

I don't want to paint all christians as nut jobs, even tho I'm not a christian. Some are very nice positive people.. we point out the hypocrites, the zealouts, and the sellouts.

[Roland99]

134. Ayup...and it's the same mentality re: Coulter or any other pundit or

person in the public eye displaying hypocritical or just plain vindictive behaviour.

[arwalden]

119. I'm Afraid That I've Been A Guilty Of That...

... but you're absolutely correct! Excellent post!

~Allen

[progressivebydesign]

120. "calling people an "IT"?? whats up with that?

I'm sorry.. but you have personally decided what posts are not acceptable.. which isn't going to fly around here, btw. But.. why can't we call someone an "IT"? Is that insulting to.. what? Furniture? aliens? rocks? Seriously... I just don't see how calling something an "it" is somehow wrong. What's the context of "it" that you object to?

[Lars39]

128. Careful now; your sensitivity is showing.

[baby_mouse]

122. I lost my own sensitivity to being called a "faggot" the day I came out.

Words are tools and that is all. The listener *gives* the word whatever power it has over them.

All you are doing is setting up a big, fat target.

[Darkhawk32]

132. You said "Fat". I'm offended.

[Darkhawk32]

130. This thread is retarded! Oops, did it again. Sorry. n/t

[endarkenment]

135. So which words are banned and is it only w.r.t. ann?

p.s. give me a break.

p.p.s. who appointed you?

[Duncan Grant]

136. *****Please let me add "TO ME" to the subject line.*****

A few people here seem to believe I have expressed inappropriate ownership of "DU". If I could edit the subject line it would now read:

Post that insult transgendered people are no longer acceptable at DU (TO ME).

Fer cryin' out loud...

[pinto]

138. Sorry, gotta lock.

Just to keep things clear - decisions about what's permitted at DU is solely the decision of the Administrators.

We're locking this for that reason.

Thanks for your consideration.