How Does Mexico Treat Its Illegals?

[KAT119]

What do Mexican Illegals really think of Americans?

Do Mexicans appreciate the way America has allowed so many Mexican illegals to enter the United Staes? NO according to a recent Zogby poll.

-more...http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/larryelder/2006/04/06/192651.html

[Xipe Totec]

1. Mexican Constitution says

any slave entering Mexican soil is automatically a free man.

Does not say anything about HOW they ended up being on Mexican soil.

[shamrock]

2. Huh? Xipe Totec,

what on earth does that have to do with Mexican illegals who 'willingly' risk their lives to come here and 'willingly' work? Slaves don't work 'willingly'. They are forced to work. They don't make much money for the work they do, but obviously it's worth it to them or they wouldn't be so desperate to come here. As I understand it, Mexico enforces their immigration laws. And no, I'm not racist, and yes I do understand their plight, but slaves they are not.

[Xipe Totec]

4. The question was how does Mexico treat its illegals

My response is there is no such thing.

[Adelante]

14. That is simply not true

There are illegal aliens in Mexico and when they are discovered, if legalities are followed, they are deported.

[Marie26]

3. What is the agenda here?

This is the second time the OP has posted this. The right-wing columnist got his information for this column from the "Center for Security Policy." (It states - "Editor's Note: See also "Mexico's Glass House," just released by the Center for Security Policy.") In another thread, the OP posted the "Center"'s report directly & it was thoroughly debunked. The Center for Security Policy is a right-wing propaganda machine for Donald Rumsfeld. The author is in charge of "Information Operations" (propaganda) for this Defense Dept. think tank. The OP never posted again on that thread. However, now this report is popping up again, in a different guise. Why is that? The point of propaganda is to get it spread through different outlets, like conservative Town Hall columnists.

For context: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x923647 (Illegal immigrants demonstrating in Mexico would be imprisoned !)

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. It appears to be a RW propaganda drive-by. OP has obviously not figured

out how to "disguise" their posting of obvious RW propaganda by saying "how do I refute this, someone emailed it to me" or any of the other, usual, obvious tactics.

[Marie26]

18. Yep.

They definitely need to improve their techniques. I just hope that this thread quickly dies. For anyone who's commenting, please keep in mind that this column is part of a right-wing propaganda effort, OK? I just wanted to make sure everyone knows where this is coming from.

[Ms. Clio]

9. Good question

I was just wondering the same thing.

[Adelante]

5. Mexico is strict about immigration

I don't know any illegals (that I know of, anyway) but my observation is that foreigners are very careful about having their papers in order and up to date. The understanding is, if you're caught, you're out.

[Xipe Totec]

6. The requirements for Naturalized Mexican Citizenship

1).- You request to become a Mexican citizen from the Secretariat of Foreign Relations.
2).- The request is granted.
3).- You are a Mexican citizen.

Other ways to become a Mexican citizen:

You a born in Mexico.

You parents are Mexican citizens, and you are born.

You marry a Mexican citizen.

The only way to be an illegal alien in Mexico is to be a foreigner who does not want to be a Mexican citizen, and does not have a legal visa to be in the country.

[TorchTheWitch]

12. Not quite

You must first be a foreigner legally living in Mexico for at least five years. It's getting through those first five years that's the sticky part... after that it's rather easy compared to most other countries.

http://www.banderasnews.com/0508/nb-mexcitizen.htm
Puerto Vallarta - When you have been living in Mexico for 5 years, you may qualify for Mexican Citizenship. There are benefits in being a Mexican Citizen, but there are also a few drawbacks or limitations. Mexican Citizens cannot legally drive (or own) a vehicle that has foreign license plates. If you have a vehicle that you are strongly attached to, citizenship is not for you.

On the plus side, Mexican citizens have lots of advantages. They can own land, for example. While visitors have to use a bank trust, Mexican citizens can own property in their own names without having to use a bank trust. Mexican Citizenship also means that you don't have to make the annual trip to the local immigration office to renew your FM-3.

There are other advantages, too. Certain jobs and businesses have restrictions, wherein only Mexican citizens can hold those jobs or own those businesses. You may not want to drive a taxi, or own a corner taco stand, but as a citizen it's an option. Mexican Citizens can vote. While I've never been politically minded, a Mexican voter registration card is better identification than a passport when cashing checks or dealing with government agencies.

Becoming a Mexican citizen is comparatively easy. You fill out a form, submit it with a copy of your existing passport and FM-3 or FM-2, along with some photos, pay a fee, and wait. In a few months, you will have to pay a second fee, and sign some additional documents. Again you have to wait a few months. Finally you'll get the call to pick up your Certificate of Naturalization, at which point you'll have to surrender your FM-3 or FM-2. At that time, you can also apply for, and receive, your Mexican passport.

FM-2 (long term resident) and FM-3 (one year resident) status is granted (or not) through Mexico's Immigration department. Acquiring a work permit is separate and that is also granted (or not) by Mexico's Immigration department. In order to legally reside and/or work in Mexico for the first five years in order to eventually become a citizen, one still has to go through Immigration.

Your scenerio makes it seem that I - as a resident of the USA who has never even been to Mexico - can simply apply for Mexican citizenship tomorrow, and it would automatically be granted... there is simply no way that could happen.

[Adelante]

13. My understanding

I believe you have to be five years on a resident visa before you may apply for citizenship. An illegal alien is one without a visa to be in the country, correct, but it has nothing to do with wanting to be a citizen or not. With the proper papers you can live legally without ever becoming a citizen.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. Whassup with posting RW screed from townhall.com, eh?

[EFerrari]

10. Are you being paid to spread hated or is it your own idea? n/t

[UTUSN]

11. Yeah-yeah n/t

[MazeRat7]

15. It depends on how many pesos they have...

my guess is enough to at least buy a clue.

edit: which is more than I can say for the OP.

[gatorboy]

16. Fucking illegals!

When do we start the sterilization?

You know, this argument reminds me of the torture scandal going on. Generally the excuse from the pro-torture crowd is, "Hey, those guys would torture us, so why shouldn't we torture them?"! And, I admit, some of them probably would torture us.

But then, on the other side of their mouths, they preach about how much better we are. How WE wouldn't stoop to the levels of other's on this planet. How WE are not like "those people".

But threads like this show that maybe we aren't that different. Yeah, Mexico treats illegals like shit. So we should? If we want to boast about how we set higher standards for people in our country, how we treat individuals better than "Those people" then maybe we actually stand by those remarks and truely mean them.

[KharmaTrain]

17. They Should Be Grateful? Where?

For years of working in ethnic radio, I met many immigrants...legal and illegal. These people aren't here for "appreciation"...they're here for survivial. They're fighting living in poverty and oppression in their home country or being used as chattle labor by a large corporation...pick your poison...what would you appreciate?

Of the many Mexicans I worked with over the years, these people are proud of their culture, just as much as the Irish are of theirs or the Poles of theirs, and their homeland and are only here since they aren't able to live comfortably there. I'm sure if there were higher paying jobs in Honduras, they'd be heading south, not north.

The contributions Mexicans have made to this country is profound...from helping establish the Southwest to now being the backbone for a lot of the food that's on your table or the building you live in and so on. To demonize these people is shameful...even more shameful is how ignorant and intolerant many in this country are of anyone who "isn't normal"...translation: has an accent or looks like they're from a different country.