caller: "Democrats let women have abortions"

[donsu]

this morning on Wash. Journal a caller said the above.

the upsetting word here is "let".

you see how the male caller thinks. he thinks of the democrats as men who let 'their' and other women have abortions.

he doesn't think of the democrats as men and women.

and that democratic women have no voice and just do what democratic men want.

to this caller, women are things.

this is what women have to deal with 24/7.

[madeline_con]

1. "... let women ..." Very telling.

:puke:

[El Fuego]

15. And "... THEIR women..." That's the mindset.

[MountainLaurel]

22. That word was a dealbreaker once

I had a few dates with a guy in college I had met at my workplace. One night on a date we were discussing the film with Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson "Indecent Proposal," about a woman who gets paid $1 million to sleep with a wealthy man. In our discussion, my date told me "I would never let my wife do that." Now, having been raised on the "wives must be submissive bullshit," my antennae went up. Between that statement and a few other reasons (he told me on the first date that he'd tried to kill himself 9 times and that the reason he didn't have a car was that he drove it into a tree when his prior girlfriend broke up with him), I began the process of breaking things off. (He was a semi-stalker, so the process took a couple months.)

[0007]

31. Eglads!

[MountainLaurel]

46. Yeah that.

:scared:

[Bassic]

47. Hrm. The thing about the car would have done it for me I think.

Good thing you got away from that freak.

[SoCalDem]

35. My impression too..

Back to the "master-slave" proposition.. The master "allows, lets" the subservient one EXIST..

As recently as the 2k election, I heard a republican with a microphone (don't remember who_) say (about the fury of the black voters in Florida).. "We treat our blacks real good".

This is the pervasive mentality of republican-think..They are the masters, and from their benevolence, everything flows....but you must follow THEIR rules or suffer the consequences..

they are our own Taliban:(

[gollygee]

2. Oh ugh

yeah the word "let" is the scariest part. Voters are men, we are just objects who are allowed or not by our men.

[journalist3072]

3. Another troubling term for me is

This whole thing of "abortion on demand" that the Rethugs like to throw around.

The conservative idiots who come on my blog use that term all the time: they tell me I am for "abortion on demand."

Abortion on demand? Do they somehow have this vision of women walking into their doctor's office and shouting "give me an abortion right now" or something like that?

[madeline_con]

6. Yes, as opposed to waiting until it's illegal.

I don't get the "on demand" thing, either. Try as I might, I DO NOT get it. :shrug:

[BlueManDude]

7. Haley Barbour used to say

"abortion for any reason or no reason at all" - drove me nuts.

[CanuckAmok]

14. I think they more likely...

..have this idea of a woman being promiscuous and then just casually swinging by the aborion clinic on her way home the next morning as if she were having a boil lanced.

They they think anyone who is in favour of abortion equates it with any other birth control option; "Out of condoms? That's okay, I'll just go by the clinic in a month."

They've never had to deal with the physical and emotional stress which is part of any abortion. Even RU-486 makes the user extremely ill for a few days after taking it. I don't think anyone takes abortion lightly, but that's the picture these nuts want to paint.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

40. They talk like women get pregnant so they can have an abortion

That would be sick.

I think they say "abortion on demand" so they can start putting conditions on it, with the end of outlawing it altogether in mind.

There are a lot of reasons for thinking about an abortion.

an unwanted pregnancy on an overcrowded planet .... reason enough for some
a pregnant seveneen year old daughter looking forward to college, not motherhood ... reason enough for me
rape or incest ... reason enough for most sane people

[ShortnFiery]

4. Immediately re-focus the debate to FAMILY PLANNING options ...

For this is what the ultimate goal of those who press to outlaw abortion - they do NOT believe in BIRTH CONTROL - that's where it begins and that's where we must focus our arguments: both freedom of reproductive choices for women; and Family Planning assistance in general.

[Olney Blue]

5. So Republican men don't "let" their women have abortions?

[Dunvegan]

8. Um...well...that's the idiotic flipside.

[Nomen Tuum]

10. I bet Republican congressmen let their mistresses have abortions

and once again, It's OK if You Are A Republican (IOKIYAR)

[donsu]

12. kick

nt

[DBoon]

11. Republican men "make" their women have abortions

nt

[donsu]

kick

nt

[meow2u3]

42. Damn straight

Especially to hide the evidence of an affair from their wives.

[NotGivingUp]

9. how utterly disgusting.

[CrispyQ]

13. I am perplexed by the women that are with these men.

It's such a diminishing mindset. They must have years of conditioning to accept it.

[TahitiNut]

16. Well, Republicans "LET THEIR" stupid, sociopathic relatives run loose.

:shrug: :crazy:

[nashville_brook]

17. i k'n r'd this and then went outside without commenting...

there's a screaming chasm in this country and it's growing larger. i was a little girl in the 70s -- this sort of notion would have been ridiculed out the yinyang. now, not so much. there's a 'piety' among the faithful, homeschooler, fundie type that embraces this knuckle-dragging mentality. but the real danger, as i see it, is when power structures EMBRACE the piety as a means of control. the alleged rape at Duke provides and excellent example. forget what you know about the case -- read this and think about the institutionalization of sexism, rascism, etc and who it benefits.

http://red-states.com/ssquirrel/index.php/2006/04/14/why/

It just struck me as strange. Why was Fox News attacking a rape victim? Why was Tucker Carlson on MSNBC? Were they just attacking a black women with no money going against some rich white kid? I figured there had to be a Republican somewhere. Maybe a Bush “Pioneer” or two? So I looked around…

i post this just as a random tangent to the original post -- but i can't help but tie the two together. be sure to read the whole thing. great research!

[donsu]

48. thanks for this info - it explains a lot

nt

[Vektor]

18. Very telling - someone needs to tell that asshole that women

do not need permission from a Democrat or anyone else to make their own decisions regarding their gynecological health care.

Women either choose to terminate a pregnancy or not.

Get it, ignorant caller?

WOMEN DECIDE.

[Arugula Latte]

19. No wonder so many women have such deep contempt for men in general.

A lot of women don't voice their contempt in front of men ... But, wow. It is there simmering in the populace. I think most men would be shocked if they knew the extent of this contempt.

[Vektor]

21. Rest assured, Oregonian,

the contempt you speak of is often only directed at ignorant men such as this caller who act as though they think women are property and cannot think for themselves.

I have marked disdain for such ignorance, but a tremendous amount of respect for decent, respectful men, like my husband, my father, my brother, my male friends, many of our Democratic legislators, and many of the great guys here at DU who defend women's rights on a daily basis.

But you are right when you speak of women's contempt of the misogynistic idiots who routinely disrespect and dehumanize women. (No doubt, because of their own insecurities.) They deserve no better, either. Enough is enough, after all. Women can only listen to the nonsense spewed by these small minded individuals before they completely dismiss anything they have to say as valid.

And the women who participate in and perpetuate this sort of thinking, and there are MANY - are held in no higher regard.

[Maraya1969]

20. I know of a fundy couple who's church is big on the woman being

subservient and so that is how they justify him beating the crap out of her.

This belief that a man owns a woman is very old and it requires women and the men who really care about them to be vigilant in their fight against it.

Actually I think that this and racism go hand in hand. When people start looking at other races and lifestyles and the multitude of different factions that make us "us", as all variations on the same theme and all OK then women will stop being treated as property.

[Mr_Spock]

23. OTOH, men should have a say if they are married or long term relationship

They were implying a capitulation or lack of concern by the man in my opinion. They are also misogynists so I can see how there may be a confusion here...

[Warren DeMontague]

29. define "should have a say"

If you're talking about the government or law being involved in that process (as Alito's rulings have advocated) I couldn't possibly disagree more strongly.

[Mr_Spock]

38. Therein lies the rub

I am, of course, talking about a process where both people respectfully have input into the decision. Ultimately, the person who has to carry the pregnancy (the woman until science figures out how to impregnate men) has the ultimate trump card if a disagreement exists. Clearly this decision is not a place for government (legal) involvement. Individual Freedom trumps all - also known more specifically as pro-choice.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Yup. We are in agreement.

I wouldn't want to be in a marriage where that level of communication wasn't a given, for example-

but that's a far cry from getting the government involved.

[AuntPatsy]

24. So typical which is why we have not come as far as we should have

considering we are in the twenty first century.

[MissWaverly]

25. and Republicans let abortions happen for sweat shop workers

let's get the government out of our personal lives, the government doesn't
have the right to decide, and let the fundies do tours of the Marianas Islands
and talk to the sweat shop workers that DeLay worked so hard to stay the course for.
I hate the lying hypocriteswho are piously opposed to abortions as long as it does
not stand in the way of them fattening their wallets.


We speak with ABC News' Brian Ross who exposed in 1998 the horrific labor conditions in the U.S. territory of Saipan. At the time, Jack Abramoff was Saipan's hired gun on K Street and Tom DeLay was one of the island's chief advocates on Capitol Hill. DeLay backed the sweatshop owners even though it was exposed that the factory was forcing women to have abortions and treated workers like indentured servants.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/04/1524256&mode=thread&tid=25

[Warren DeMontague]

26. I know. It's all about what "We" as the final moral fucking arbiters of

everything, "let" other people do with their own bodies.

First Amendment Advocates "let" consenting adults have sex in front of a camera, and then permit other consenting adults to get their jollies from watching it.

People who are in favor of sanity in our drug laws want to let consenting adults put chemicals like THC in their own bloodstreams!

Euthanasia advocates are crazy enough to believe that the terminally ill should be allowed to determine their own time and means of a pain-free exit. What will God think?

Pro-Choice people want to LET women be the ones to make decisions about their own bodies and pregnancies.



Yeah, well, fuck 'em all. An individual's body belongs to one person- and one person ONLY- and that is the individual, her or him-self. I'm sick of self-righteous, moralizing control freaks who want to impose their god-damn agendas on other people's bodies. Screw 'em.

[MissWaverly]

27. we do not need a minder government

like the minders they assign for scientists, they want to have their minders everywhere,
now they are trying to sift thru Paypal, why, ostensibly to look for tax evaders. They don't
need to "paw" through information, that is what the Fourth Amendment is about. You have
a case against someone, get the right to search through their records. No government agency
should have the right to go thru financial records of the general population just looking
for nuggets. It's all about transferring power from the individual to the all powerful
government.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Agreed. 100%.

There was an article up here last week about "Forensic Vagina Specialists"- apparently a booming career path in countries where abortion is criminalized. Gotta get to the scene of the "crime", you know.

Where we're headed, and unfortunately there are folks of all ideological stripes -conviced that they know 'better' what is 'good' for everyone else- who are oblivious, because they're apparently so in love with notions of control.

[MissWaverly]

30. Whatever happened to "We the People"

Do these clowns ever listen to anybody, where are the people in their governing?

[Raine]

32. This is one of the mosting insulting

sexest things are have ever heard. x( It's sickening that anyone has those kind feelings about women. :cry: What a World! :mad:

[Brigid]

33. Guys like this . . .

are why I am still single, and better off for it. :grr:

[Cleita]

36. Really you are better off.

I didn't get married until I was thirty two. It took me that long to find someone who respected me as a person and not as housekeeper/whore.

[Cleita]

34. Yep, but an easy answer to that is that

Democrats don't let people do things. Democrats support people's rights to be in charge of their own person, and that includes a woman's right over her own body. Democrats do not have ownership over another person and therefore can't make decisions for them either letting or not letting them commit an action.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Thank you. The very notion that it's up to ANY of us to "let" someone else

have control over THEIR OWN BODY is onerous and obnoxious.

(Of course, say that too much, and you're liable to get tarred with the "l" word by some folks, around here)

[Old and In the Way]

41. Too stupid be be trusted with a telephone.

Seriously, why don't sane people listen to this type of person and think, "if this person is representitive of one side, I want to be counted with the other side".

[pitohui]

43. yeah there are people who think like that

eff em

[cassiepriam]

44. This is an example of how good the Repugs have been

at anti-Dem propaganda. They are masters at vilifying
and lying about an opponent in a way that sticks with the public.
There has been a psy-op going on for a long time against the Dems,
and Dems have been rendered impotent to do anything.

[ProfessorGAC]

45. Actually, He's 100% Correct

Democrats "let" women make up their own minds, and don't support laws to make their minds up for them. So, she was right, she just did it by accident.
The Professor