This guy deserves a slow, painful execution

[quaoar]

The death penalty is used too much in this country but there is no more appropriate punishment for animals like this. Underwood is not human and doesn't deserve to be treated as such.

I know all the arguments against the death penalty and there is some merit to them. But not in this case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12327093/

Police: Neighbor planned to eat slain Okla. girl
Man held in 10-year-old’s death allegedly fantasized about cannibalism

PURCELL, Okla. - A slain 10-year-old girl’s body, found in her downstairs neighbor’s apartment, had deep saw marks on the neck, said authorities who alleged Saturday that her killer had planned to dismember her and eat the flesh.

The family of Jamie Rose Bolin was in shock, not only with the news of her slaying but with the fact that she apparently died so close to home.

Kevin Ray Underwood, 26, was arrested Friday after investigators found Jamie’s body in the closet of a bedroom in his apartment, authorities said. The girl’s unclothed body was inside a large plastic tub, along with a towel used to soak up blood, officials said.

Purcell police Chief David Tompkins said investigators think the killer hit her several times with a wooden cutting board, then placed his hand and duct tape over her mouth to suffocate her. She was sexually assaulted after she died, officials said.

[bluestateguy]

1. Hanging

nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

102. And let's mount a campaign against heterosexual pedophile killers

Woops! I shouldn't have said that. After all, the sexual orientation of a killer is not relevant unless he's allegedly gay.

:sarcasm:

[Kingshakabobo]

2. Did it occur to you that this guy might be severely mentally ill?

It was my first thought. I'm sure O'lielly is going to say he is "EVIL" and mount a campaign against secular cannibals.

[madeline_con]

3. Obviously. Does that make him less dangerous? n/t

[Kingshakabobo]

8. No. Are you for killing mentally ill people? n/t

[sam sarrha]

10. do you want to be like our pResident.. and execute the mentally ill.??

[Kingshakabobo]

33. I assume this was directed at the other poster.

:hi:

[sam sarrha]

67. after clicking 'Post' i noticed it was on the wrong line... just thought

no one would notice.. the pages pass as fast as a stock ticker.. usually by the time i get something typed, spell checked to ward off the wrath of the spelling Nazi's... and double check the syntax the post is on page 3.

i have Aspergers Syndrome, i have no concept of syntax and spelling.. http://www.wrongplanet.net
there is an interesting story there about having traced the gene for Aspies to Neanderthals, apparently the reason they couldn't compete with Cromagnon's is that they thought in images. I have an IQ of 164 but am functionally illiterate.. i wouldnt be able to function here with out spell check, the spelling Nazi's would hunt me down and make lamp shades out of my sorry hide.

if i fixed everything i'd never get anything posted.

[bvar22]

31. Hey, killing the insane....

...would make a great Final Solution.
Lets include the UGLY.

[El Fuego]

45. We kill our enemies in times of war

Why can't we kill the enemies within? It's hypocritical to make a distinction.

[Kingshakabobo]

58. Great Idea!!!!

We make insane people enemies of the state!!!!! Why hasn't someone thought of that?

Oh wait...........nevermind.

[El Fuego]

71. No, just murderers.

You can make the argument that almost every murderer is insane.

[northzax]

112. and the fatties

we gotta kill them too!

[quaoar]

6. I have never subscribed

to the idea that anyone who could do something this horrible by definition must be mentally ill.

He planned this out for quite a while and considered several possible victims for his sick fantasy. There is such a concept as evil and this scum is its poster child.

[Fountain79]

18. It's called being a sociopath...

This man likely views all of us as people he hasn't killed yet.

[Kingshakabobo]

22. After reading this, expert opinion says demons and witchcraft.

(apologies to Witches)

[Fountain79]

26. Do you understand the difference between..

A sociopath and a mentally ill person?

[Kingshakabobo]

32. Yes, I do.

The difference between you and I is that I don't have a crystal ball and have this case figured out already.

[Fountain79]

35. You are ready to say the man in mentally ill...

you seem to know that much already.

[Kingshakabobo]

38. No, I am not.

I raised a question to the the OP having it all figured out, signed, sealed and delivered. I said: "did it ever occur to you that he is mentally ill?"

I don't know if he is. I, unlike other people on this thread, can't make a diagnosis from a one page article.

[quaoar]

48. If it comes out during his trial

that this guy is a foaming-at-the-mouth nut case who cannot separate right from wrong, then I will gladly eat my words with a cherry on top and whipped cream.

But -- having interviewed more than one sociopath over the years -- I feel quite comfortable in my admittedly preliminary judgment.

[Cronquist]

74. so what are the odds that he is mentally ill?

50/50?
1/99?

[Kingshakabobo]

75. My screen name is Kingshakabobo not Jimmy The Greek. /nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. This Is One Case Of A Mentally Ill Person That Could Die Anyway For All I

care.

Obviously he is quite fucked in the head. Mentally ill or not though, he shouldn't be allowed to step foot outside ever again. Now, I'm against the DP, but taking my opinion outside of the equation and comparing apples to apples, if other murderers are to get the DP for their crimes, I don't consider this fucker to be any more exempt from that punishment than any other.

[cali]

60. I certainly won't mourn his demise

but, I still wish the DP was outlawed, partly because of my own response. It's natural, on hearing of a case such as this one, for one's first instinct to be a spasm of intense rage and revulsion, and that's exactly what we shouldn't be basing the DP on- our emotional responses to any given murder.

[complain jane]

101. Where do you draw the line? I think that anyone capable of this

is mentally ill.

Which doesn't mean we excuse his behavior.

I don't want somebody who plans and executes the butchering of a little girl after gaining her trust and then raping her dead corpse, dismembering and barbecuing her body roaming around my neighborhood and if that's politically incorrect, I really don't give a shit.

[Kingshakabobo]

115. Nice straw-man. Who said this guy should be roaming around?

Give me a break.

[complain jane]

122. Wouldn't that be the end result eventually?

[ecstatic]

117. What difference does it make? He needs to be off the streets for good

I'm not for throwing the book at mentally ill patients EXCEPT when it comes to crimes involving pedophilia/child murder. A person who commits such crimes will always be a threat to society and there is no need to make a distinction between sane/insane (well, it seems all people guilty of such crimes are mentally ill when you think about it).

[Richard Steele]

118. First thing that crossed my mind, actually.

Kind of hard to imagine any possible scenario
which isn't based on that premise.

[peacebird]

4. I think if anything this is a prime case against the death penalty.

This man is clearly mentally ill. It is a tragedy that such a young life was lost in such a horrific manner. it is sickening. But clearly this is a man who is not sane.

[quaoar]

7. He is clearly a sociopath

a man with no conscience. But that does not qualify as a legitimate defense under the law. If it did, many killers would be acquitted by reason of insanity.

[Kingshakabobo]

12. Glad you have it all figured out Dr. Frist. n/t

[Fountain79]

20. The case shows evidence of premeditation...

Mentally unstable people who kill don't premeditate, they just kill at the spur of the moment.

[Kingshakabobo]

30. I'll leave you ridiculous statement to be debunked by someone

with more time, patience and knowledge of mental illness than me.

The first case that comes to mind is Andrea Yates. Severely mentally ill. Premeditated killing of her kids.

[Fountain79]

34. So you are comparing...

A mentally unstable mother killing her kids to a man who essentially hunted this girl and kept her with the plans of eating her? You don't see the differences in the two acts?

[Kingshakabobo]

39. Just pointing out your inaccurate statement that mentally ill people

can't premeditate a crime. That's all.

See: Son of Sam and schizophrenia.

[Fountain79]

40. Yeah about the Son of Sam...

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/berkowitz/23.html

Seems pretty sane to me...

[Kingshakabobo]

43. Sorry, if you are going to argue that mentally ill people can't.....

premeditate a crime you will have to do better than Ressler's opinion.

edit: I typed Breslin, meant Ressler.

[Fountain79]

47. Did you read the ressler interview?

He basically admits that he did all that stuff to plead mental insanity later on.

[Fountain79]

53. You mean a FBI profiler's opinion?

Yeah what an idiot I am to believe that.

[Kingshakabobo]

56. Regardless of how you want to re-argue the Son of Sam case...

he WAS diagnosed as schizophrenic. He was diagnosed as schizophrenic by doctors that KNEW he premeditated his crimes. I don't give a sh-t about the Son of Sam. My point is, there was a diagnosis of mental illness in a premeditated crime.

In other words, premeditation does not preclude a diagnoses of mental illness.

Jeez.

[Fountain79]

66. links? n/t

[quaoar]

25. Thank you

I charge by the hour but my rates are reasonable. No need for a house call. Just send me a video.

[Jayhawk Lib]

36. He may be mentally ill

but a rabid dog is also ill. The sooner you get rid of both, the better for society in general. I normally feel life in prison with no chance for parole is a worse punishment than execution, but in this case I make an exception.

[Kingshakabobo]

41. You are on the right track. Dehumanizing a person is half the battle.

:thumbsup:








:sarcasm:

[Eurobabe]

5. this is the most revolting thing i've heard in the news

this poor child.

[sam sarrha]

9. where is the proof that death is a penalty.. mother considers it a blessing

there is absolutely NO proof of any kind, scientific or otherwise the death is a penalty of any sort.

there is a religious belief that a gOD could punish them more than we could, but gOD has made it a big point for us not to send them back.

it makes no sense for a Christian to want to kill prisoners in custody.. all they have to do is accept Jesus and they F'n go to HEAVEN.!!!!!!!!

so you need to rethink the death penalty thing...

if they are actually possessed by evil spirits or demons.. do you really want to deliberately let them out to mess up someone else's life.. best to keep them bottled up till we learn to bottle them up first

here is my favorite Dalai Lama Quote.. 'A negative thought continues and increases exponentially until replaced by a positive thought, however the positive thought must be cultivated.'

don't ever forget that negativity is disease, and it is contagious.. and you are Karmicly responsible for all those you infect... and that they infect.. ad infinitum

[Puglover]

11. Woo Hoo!

I'm waiting for the gungho death penalty folks to descend on this thread and kill this guy in a 1000 different ways!

Does he deserve it? Does anyone who does a crime so ghastly deserve it? Of course they do. But we as a society should not stoop to the lows that these scum stoop to. Doesn't matter how it's done, dead is dead murder is murder.

Lock him up, throw away the key. NO. HOPE. OF. PAROLE. Let him rot. To me at least that is a far more severe punishment then a quick needle or a fast drop on the hangmans noose.

[RebelOne]

14. Yes, keep him in prison. I don't think that most of the inmates

would look kindly upon a child killer. Eventually, he will probably wish he was dead.

[Kingshakabobo]

15. And study him fercrissakes. n/t

[quaoar]

19. I am intrigued by the argument

that if the state executes someone it stoops to that person's level. How exactly does that moral equivalency work?

[DBoon]

13. I want to figure out how he came to do this

and keep it from happening again

Killing him or calling him evil won't prevent another such murder

[LisaL]

24. You will never figure this out. There have always been deviants

like him, and there always will.

[Warpy]

16. Nah, this isn't a DP case.

The guy is a complete nutbag. If he doesn't get off on an insanity plea (meaning he'll be drugged to the eyballs and kept locked up for the rest of his life), he won't last very long in prison. Think Dahmer.

The state should get out of the business of murdering its citizens.

This guy should never be out of a locked ward or prison. Period.

[WilliamPitt]

17. "But not in this case."

The objections to the death penalty are applicable in every case. In fact, the more barbaric the crime, the more important the objections are. You must control your emotions. One cannot say, "Yes, killing is wrong, but maybe just this one time..."

The objections to the death penalty are applicable in every case.

[quaoar]

21. I support the death penalty

I believe it to be appropriate in many cases -- Bundy, Gacy, etc.

I do believe that it is used in far too many cases and is often applied to defendants who might not have received it if they had effective legal help.

But I do agree that if you are going to be against the death penalty on moral grounds, you need to be against it for this guy too.

[Raksha]

84. I agree with you...they have to apply in every case.

But this monster won't last long in prison, and I won't shed any tears for him.

[hlthe2b]

23. My mother always maintained that we were so short-sighted...

to execute these, the worst of the worst of killers--many who are mentally ill and others who are pathologically anti-social. She believed they should be locked up for the remaining lives in a high security psych hospital/facility and studied for the remainder of their lives in solitary confinement. Once they died, a full and thorough autopsy and biologic specimens saved for later study, including genetic analysis. Only then could we have a chance to learn how to prevent such monsters. She has a point...

[quaoar]

27. How would studying such a killer prevent future killers?

Would science perhaps identify some genetic marker that predisposes someone to be a horrible killer? If so should we then test everyone to see who has that gene and then lock them up before they kill?

[Fountain79]

29. FBI profiling mainly... n/t

[hlthe2b]

96. You don't seem to be thinking of the complexities of

human behavior, mental illness and biology. They may find a genetic marker that signals a specific variant of mental illness that, when mixed with some environmental pattern (e.g., specific type of childhood abuse, for example)may predict risk for this kind of behavior. WOuld we preventively incarcerate someone--no, unless you've been watching TOm Cruise movies. But, it may help us better identify those environmental patterns which (in combination) could result in this and apply some primary prevention. It might also signal with study, a need for neurochemical help for a gentic pattern of mental illness (through genetic engineered medications, for example, or even gene transfer).

The more apt question is how would NOT studying these killers, (but merely relegating them to execution or throwing them away in prison to kill others there) EVER help us prevent the development of these kinds of killers in the future? In this case, we HAVE NO HOPE of (primary) prevention.

[Fountain79]

28. I think in some cases...

yes they should be kept alive and studied. That's exactly how the FBI profilers began was by interviewing serial killers. Robert Ressler, a retired FBI profiler, in his book even stated that the death penalty does nothing to prevent or discourage people like this.

However when you have men like Bundy who escaped once and killed an entire sorority house, I think the death penalty is a public service.

[hlthe2b]

99. I understand the sentiment...

though I remain anti-death penalty... I truly understand.

BTW, I was out in Snowmass, CO a few months ago, and had reason to need to contact one of the hotel's maintenance employees to get some equipment for a presentation I was doing. His office was just aside the main building and as I entered the office, I was somewhat surprised to see a framed photo of Bundy. Seems the employee was working there when a Snowmass woman was murdered by Bundy and for some unexplicable reason, felt the need to keep the photo. Kinda bizarre, but the guy was nice and I figured he had his reasons. Actually he said I was one of few people in recent years who recognized the photo (or perhaps had the nerve to comment on it) :shrug:

[vickitulsa]

37. Here is some more of this horrible story

on a Tulsa news station's Website.


McClain County District Attorney Tim Kuykendall said he plans to file first-degree murder charges against Underwood on Monday. Kuykendall called Jamie's killing one of the most ``heinous and atrocious'' crimes he'd seen in his career as a prosecutor and said he will seek the death penalty in the case.

<snip>

``We were sitting outside his patio door the entire time,'' (Jamie's aunt Linda) Chiles said. ``The fact that the family sat there for three days is probably the reason he was not able to get that body out of the apartment. We don't know what condition her body is in (but) she has been killed. She's gone.''

Chiles said the family is distraught.

``That guy took a life that had just begun,'' she said. ``Her daddy is not going to walk her down the aisle. She's not going to have babies. She's not going to get married. I mean, it's over for her, and this guy is sitting all cozy in a jail cell eating dinner right now and that's the reality of it.''

<snip>

An Amber Alert was not issued immediately because there was no witnessed abduction and investigators thought it was possible that the child might have run away, Tompkins said.


You can read the full article here:

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1&id=102381

This story was huge here in OK since last Wednesday, but I find it inexcusable that our fine OK law enforcement agencies did NOT issue an Amber Alert right away.

And you'll get your wish, no doubt, Quaoar, because this guy will almost certainly receive the death penalty. I'm like you regarding the moral issues around that sort of sentence, I guess, being against killing human criminals generally but also feeling that a man like this is somehow less than human -- or at the very least too damned dangerous to risk his ever escaping if he received a sentence of life in prison. He might not have a record, but it's very likely he has committed similar crimes before this one and just was not caught -- and he would commit more if he were ever free again.

However, if it's any comfort to those who do see the need for a death penalty in some of the most heinous of crimes and are upset when it is rejected in favor of a life-long prison sentence, I can tell you something a dear friend of mine told me about his experience in prison. Jay was wrongly convicted of a double murder in MI when he was only 16, sentenced to life in prison, and served 29 years before he was released last year.

He told me many times in letters that in his opinion, life in prison was a WORSE sentence than death because of how horrendous that life lived in such an environment is. He often wished they had just killed him instead, since in MI it is official policy, he said, that lifers die in prison even if they are eligible for parole -- and 98% of them do. He called it "a living death."

Jay was released in November of last year, but he is finding life in "the free world" after such a long time spent Inside to be very difficult, even with family support. IMO, although there are so many global issues we citizens must tackle if we are going to save our planet, I feel the "domestic" issues such as whether or not to kill murderers in the name of our society to be every bit as pressing.

With the United States being (I understand) the ONLY "civilized" and modern nation that still uses the death penalty, it makes ya wonder if we're really as civilized as we like to think.

But then a case like this one comes along, and it seems the only way we can hope to reach a higher level as a culture is to remove such monsters as Underwood from our midst in a way that is more certain than a life sentence can ever be.

I admit it's a quandary for me.

[alphafemale]

86. I don't understand why Amber Alerts are not issued for runaways.

Especially when that young.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. umm this guy is insane...what good will killing him do?

lock him up...

[peacebird]

52. too logical, Lioness... bloodlust is upon them - the desire for revenge.

what was it Gandolf said about Gollum in the Lord of the Rings?

"He deserves death," says Frodo. Gandolf replies, "Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."

[quaoar]

57. Ah yes, the ole "let he who is without sin" argument

If no one ever picked up the first stone, there would be no society.

[Kingshakabobo]

61. Oh, so know you are for stoning insane people???

Just kidding. :hi:

[Puglover]

64. Well he is the one that

said the guy "deserves a slow painful execution".

:shrug:

[quaoar]

78. Straw man

Just kidding.

[Kingshakabobo]

80. Well, I WAS kidding. But now that you mention it, what is your preferred

method of slow painful death?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

62. no my point was, what is the point in killing people?

he may be deranged or a sociopath, but i am not...so how can i in good conscience allow someone to be killed? he maybe a horrible person...but a lot of our politicians are worse...and i dont see how killing him off will help matters

[quaoar]

79. I don't know of any politicians who rape the dead and eat their flesh

But if there are any, then they deserve to die too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. they authorize the death of many many people

[peacebird]

93. wow - must be good to be so pure you can choose life or death for others

Seriously - I believe the man committed a horrific CRIME. An innocent child has died. However the man is clearly mentally ill and a society that executes those of diminished capacity, be they mentally less capable or mentally ill, is a society that is just one step from utter barbarism.

Have we not evolved a little beyond an eye for an eye? Let's face it - the first offender here was insane. This man clearly lacked the ability to reason through right from wrong. What he did was wrong - must our society repeat the wrong by killing rather than treating him? Are we no better than HE?

[El Fuego]

44. These things usually happen in republican territory

Everytime there's a particularly sick crime, it occurs in a small overly-religious bush-voting town.

[Fountain79]

50. John Wayne Gacy was a democrat... n/t

[quaoar]

51. That's ridiculous

Are you suggesting that this sort of thing doesn't happen in Chicago or New York?

[El Fuego]

69. Maybe, but it' not on the news radar

Woman who cut off the arms of her baby - small town Texas

Woman who drowned her kids in the bathtub (Andrea Yates) - small town Texas

Woman who drowned her kids by rolling the car into a lake - small town Georgia

Little girl sexually assaulted and buried alive to die - small town Florida

Karlee Bruce raped and murdered - small town Florida

Black man dragged to death - small town Texas

Matthew Shepard brutally murdered for being gay - small town Wyoming

Brandon Teena brutally murdered for being gay - small town Nebraska

Just a few off the top of my head.

There's lots of crime in the big cities, but every time I hear about something unbelievably evil and heinous, it's usually a small town.

(This is just a totally off-topic reference to the smug moral posturing of the Rovian religious right in the context of the last election.)

[quaoar]

81. A few more

The Hillside Strangler -- Los Angeles
Charles Manson -- Los Angeles
Ted Bundy -- Seattle
John Wayne Gacy -- Chicago
Son of Sam -- New York
The Boston Strangler -- Boston
Donald Harvey, the Angel of Death nurse -- Ohio
Charles Cullen, Angel of Death who murdered 35 to 45 people by injection -- NJ and Pennsylvania.

[El Fuego]

94. Most of those happened 30-40 years ago

Whereas I am talking about recent news. Which to me seems interesting from a sociological standpoint.

[Telly Savalas]

104. Actually something like this happened about a mile from my house

a few years back in a riding in Toronto where the Conservative candidate couldn't even muster 20% of the vote. There are sick fucks everywhere.

[Harper_is_Bush]

46. Jamie Rose Bolin doesn't deserve having her memory sullied

by another death.

It's never "appropriate", IMO.

[mtnsnake]

54. I agree with you

While he MAY be mentally ill, he might simply be evil to the core.

Anyone who could do what he did to that little girl should have the same thing done to him, only have it done ten times slower so he has time to think about how she felt as she was gasping for her last breaths or when he was cutting her neck with that saw.

[savemefromdumbya]

55. The man is mentally ill

no normal American person would kill someone and want to eat them (unless he was from a cannibal tribe which he is not).

[BlueStateGirl]

59. Unfortunately, I read that last night before going to bed. I could not

shake it. And I woke up unsettled. I have a a four year old niece, and my mind immediately went to that dark place, "What if this had happened to her?" I would kill him myself.I am anti-death penalty. I do not believe in state sanctioned murder, ever. But if I am being honest, I have to say that cases like this challenge me.

Mentally ill or not, what he has done is sub human. It makes me feel less human just reading about it. Not just because of the nature of what he did, but because of the immediate , gut level reaction it caused in me.

I wanted him dead, in the most horrible way possible.

I am not proud of that, but it is the truth.


It's not easy being against the death penalty. It is far easier to give in the desire for revenge.

[Puglover]

65. Wonderful and heartfelt post!

Anyone who thinks it's easy to be anti death penalty is sadly mistaken. A man I work with and his son were having beers two nights ago in the uptown area of Minneapolis. They got in the car and were driving away from the area. Three young men walked up to the car at a stopsign and shot the son in the chest. He is struggling for his life as we speak. Would I love to see these assholes getting 100,000 volts pumped through them. You bet. And the little girls case is 100 times worse.

It is not easy being anti-death penalty.

[jbnow]

114. Have the three men been caught?

What a senseless crime. I hope the son can recover and the shooter(s) jailed for life. I don't think the penalty should be less just because the victim does not die.

What a horror for the dad. Very sorry.

[Taxloss]

63. We can learn so much from him.

He should spend the rest of his life in a maximum-security hospital, being relentlessly examined by doctors and analysts. Certainly, he should never be freed (unless his condition changes markedly, and only then under strictest scrutiny). But we need to learn more about the causes and progress of this sort of psychopathy. This man is a monster, and that makes him a fascinating human being.

[AuntPatsy]

68. Sometimes in the name of science, protecting such monsters

only ensures they continue to flourish on this earth...

I don't agree, we have no problem hunting down and killing a killing bear that's pretty obvious would do the same thing again if given the chance, in this case, sometimes humans are no different.'

Just my opnion.

[Taxloss]

70. But we can understand the root causes of his condition through study.

It's too late to save the little girl he killed, but by understanding how he came to do it we can maybe prevent future atrocities. He can be secured away from society for life, posing no threat. In that time, we might come to understand valuable things about how he came to commit his crime. He isn't a wild bear - he's a human being who somehow made it through 26 years of civilised existence before slaughtering an innocent. Why? How?

[BlooInBloo]

72. They deserve to die, but I don't think it's the STATE's place...

... to kill its citizens...

I believe the state is justified only to do the MINIMUM possible to secure - as best it can of course - the safety of the rest of its citizens.

In particular, revenge should not be an option on the table for the state, imo.

Killing is clearly the MAXIMUM the state could theoretically do, not the MINIMUM. I don't wish to entrust the state with that much power - and the history of the death penalty in America bears out that mistrust.


EDIT: How many executions of innocents are YOU willing to accept? I'm not willing to accept ANY - hence I can't be down with the death penalty at all.

[NNN0LHI]

73. Anyone who would want to kill another human slowly and painfully...

...is a sick motherfucker.

Don

[quaoar]

77. I didn't say I wanted to do that

I said he deserves it. And he does.
I'm sure that the state will put him to death by lethal injection, which is just fine with me.

[stepnw1f]

76. No... He Should Be Studied till the Day He Dies

Believe it or not, his life can still be utilized for something good and that is studying his mind so we can catch others like him before they victimize others. Plus, it would be a far greater punishment to take away is freedom for the rest of his life.

Plus I have an issue with the Death Sentence. Just my opinion though.

[SmokingJacket]

82. He might deserve it -- but --

I don't agree with the death penalty. There are cases like this -- in which there's little doubt he did it, and that he's about as monstrous as a person can get -- but for every one of these, there's a hundred wishy washier cases. And the prosecutors in those wishy washy cases will try to portray them as being as cut and dried as this one.

You could say, "Death penalty ONLY for absolutely guilty people," but the prosecutors will ALWAYS claim there's no doubt that a person is guilty.

Anyway -- this guy deserves to sit in prison for a long, long time -- like forever. (If, of course, he's guilty!)

[Norwood]

83. /agree

Sick fucks like this guy are the reason I could never be anti-death penalty. He indeed deserves a painful demise.

[immoderate]

87. So what's your definition of insanity?

Why wouldn't this perp qualify?

--IMM

[quaoar]

98. Inability to differentiate

between right and wrong, which is the legal definition.

[kurth]

88. Nahh, no death penalty.

Boil him.

[Lucy - Claire]

89. Put him in prison for life....

The other prisoners will make his life hell. That is what we did with Ian Huntley, he brutally murdered two girls and the details were never fully released to the public because it was so nasty. He will never get out of prison and he has been beaten up, scalded with sugar water etc.

[quaoar]

97. In other words

let the inmates carry out the execution?

[aikoaiko]

90. If it were my son, I don't know if I could let this killer live.

Heck, even without it being my son I feel the rage.

[alfredo]

91. In cases such as these, giving him a life sentence, then putting him

in the general prison population is the same as giving him a death sentence. Crimes against children will put him in the cross hairs of every man there that was abused as a child. He will either die at the hands of a fellow prisoner like Wayne Williams, or he will spend the rest of his life fighting for his life.

The guy is totally insane. Not sure if he can be rehabilitated, even then he should not be allowed back in society. Put him in a cage alone, no human contact, no sunlight, no creature comforts, just his bunk, a toilet, a sink. 40 years alone is punishment far greater than cutting off that isolation through execution. Execution gives hope of an end of suffering. He doesn't deserve that.

[complain jane]

100. Good point.

Although I also agree that this piece of shit deserves a slow, painful death when it does come.

[alfredo]

116. Put him in a cell with the guy who killed that 10 year old.

They should be a perfect match.

[killbotfactory]

92. I would rather let 100 psycho's like this live behind bars

than have our judicial system kill one innocent person.

[BooScout]

105. Amen. n/t

[quaoar]

95. Update: The monster had his own blog

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12344689/

On his blog, an online diary that he had kept since September 2002, Underwood described himself as “single, bored, and lonely, but other than that, pretty happy.”

He mentions cannibalism, asking “If you were a cannibal, what would you wear to dinner?” and responding: “The skin of last night’s main course.”

[Taverner]

103. Life in Prison

No parole

I've felt that's actually much worse of a punishment than the death penalty, and its more humane...

[davidthegnome]

106. I definitely

do not support the death penalty, under any circumstances. This man may or may not be mentally insane, but the fact remains that we cannot teach others to value life by ENDING lives ourselves. I can sympathize with those who DO believe he should be killed. I can only imagine how I would feel if I was the child's Father, or Brother. Hell, I'd probably be foaming at the mouth myself, begging for the chance to kill him. However, emotional trauma and righteous wrath aside - whether he deserves to die or not isn't the issue. The issue is how killing him would reflect on society, the message that would give our young.

I absolutely believe he should be locked up for life, without parole. A man like that should not be given a second chance to cause harm, but nor should he be executed. Hopefully he will live a long, long life in prison, which will give him plenty of time to think about what he's done. However, I get the feeling that his fellow in-mates will kill him themselves.

Either way.. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is not a concept that works. Justice... well, it could be argued that justice for this man, would be killing him and raping his dead body. But uh, I don't think any sane people would line up for that task. I think the only alternative that makes any sense at all, is to put him behind bars for the rest of his miserable life.

It all comes down to a very old, very true saying... "Two wrongs don't make a right."

[oblivious]

107. Man chops off daughter's and wife's heads and eats eyeballs and flesh

Man 'chops off daughter's and wife's heads'

...He allegedly chopped off his wife's and 10-year-old daughter's heads before eating their eyeballs and flesh.

The 45-year-old man had hit his wife of 11 years on the head with an ashtray until she passed out, reported Zhuhai Daily.

He then allegedly strangled her with a hairdryer's cord, dragged her body to the bathroom and chopped her head off.

Then he went to his daughter's bedroom, where she was sleeping, and strangled her, reported South China Morning Post.

He allegedly decapitated her in the bathroom before slicing off some of the victims' flesh to swallow with tea.

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,105189,00.html

[fishwax]

108. this guy deserves to die in prison

life without the possibility of parole.

I don't believe in the death penalty. I think the death penalty ultimately creates more problems than it solves. This case is outrageous, to be sure, but in my view the arguments against the death penalty are distinct from the emotional impact of a case.

[NervousRex]

109. I agree....

cases like this should be the ONLY case in which the DP is invoked. Recently, a guy was tackled after he gunned down a random victim on a busy street in Minneapolis. I am in favor of a public hanging (post haste)in these type of cases....the same goes for BTK, and Green River etc.....where there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever as to the perps guilt.

[DrunkenMaster]

110. let's kill him and eat his body!!

Yeah! That'll sure show psycopaths that killing is wrong and cannabilism unnatural!

If YOU want to be the one responsible for executing the diseased and deranged, good for you. Others of us believe that the social acceptance of violence and brutality is what causes illness like this in the first place.

[ulysses]

111. "Underwood is not human"

He is, in fact. Deeply sick and probably guilty of an abominable act, but human.

And the state should still not be in the business of killing its citizens.

[SoCalDem]

113. The Poster Boy for the reinstating of REAL mental hospitals

He needed to BE in one...for a long time before he killed this girl.

When unhappy, unbalanced, mentally ill people sit alone in their apartments, soing little more than listening to their "inner creepiness", this is what happens.

There are LOADS of people walking amongst us every day who should be safely tucked away, being watched 24-7 so they DON'T have access to victims.

Reagan's decision to make them all "free-range loonies with meds" is haunting society all these years later. Mentally ill people do not "get well" without some serious intervention..the earlier the better.

[mykpart]

119. Let's tell Rumsfeld he's an Arab.

Then they can ship him to Abu Graib and torture him!

[MelliMel]

120. Much better to let the monster rot in prison. And I mean rot.

Give him nothing more than all he needs to survive, not live or thrive.

[sleipnir]

121. Killing him won't solve humanity's darker side.

It might make you feel good, smiling at the death of another, but it will not quench the dark thirst of the underbelly of humanity. We are despicable animals and sometimes that quiet secret rushes and screams to the forefront. Your need for blood-lust is equally primal and perhaps also as pertinent. I wonder why we fool ourselves into thinking that the loose social construct called "society" holds water without drips.

[YouthInAsia]

123. I'd let him rot in prison and have him gang raped every day of his life

[Hippo_Tron]

124. Classifying people as subhuman is how Hitler justified the holocaust

It's easy to round up a bunch of Jews and use them and their children as target practice when you don't consider them human, it's just like squashing bugs.

My take on this is that it's cheaper to let him rot in prison. Trials cost more than giving him life in prison. And since there's the possibility that he is mentally ill, this case might actually be heard by the higher courts. Let him spend 40 years ina small cell thinking about what he did and save the taxpayers a few hundred thousand dollars at the same time.

[KyuzoGator]

125. Lock him up, put him under a microscope and figure him out.

Much more good would come from studying sociopaths in order to diagnose them before they commit their crimes than would come from killing the guy.

I have little sympathy for him, but as a close friend of a murder victim I can say that executing the guilty really does little for closure.