Why we have this government

[BeFree]

There is one reason we are in such agony.

Why we have high gas prices, why we invaded Iraq, why we are about to bomb Iran, and why fiscal disaster looms.

It is the sole reason why gwb squats in our white house, orchestrating the calamity we are living.

It all comes from two points in time; two momentary episodes that set the course this nation is on.

The first moment arrived in the year 2000. The next showed its ugly face in 2004.

The connection between the two defining moments are seen in one particular supposedly democratically motivated processes.

It was when the presidential elections were stolen.

In order to get out from this black cloud hanging over the nation's head we have to begin fighting against the mindset that has allowed the theft to happen.

They tell us to get over it... have we?

[MissWaverly]

1. You are so totally right

and how about his bankrupting America with the real budget that is 700+, of course, Mr. Straight
with America, only published 1,000 copies of the federal budget. Surely if word of this
open theft of our elections waw revealed, couldn't we install an interim goernment. Maybe
with 3 individuals to act as interim leaders until a special election can be called.

[savemefromdumbya]

2. things were brewing before

even in Reagan's time - the seeds were being sewn.

[linazelle]

5. You're right---I just wonder how we can peacefully co-exist

For years dems ruled and republicans seethed and plotted for what has materialized as their takeover. Now we seethe and plot. If we "win" they lose--again. They will only re-emerge worse later. I don't see how America can survive with this type of ongoing opposition. There has to be some happy medium, some win-win that will appease everybody. Otherwise, we are all screwed.

[savemefromdumbya]

10. Can you post this as a main thread?

this is a very important point. Things were brewing even when JFK was President. It doesn't take too much and put 2 and 2 together? I wouldn't be suprised if Dem administrations were actually threatened. Look at the Marc Rich thing?

[Kahuna]

3. It amazes me that people thought having two OIL MEN in the WH

would be a good thing. That goes for Greens as well as republicans. That was my first clue that we were on a downward spiral. My major argument to people in 2000 considering voting for any one but Gore was that two oil men in the WH would NOT be good for America. All I can do at this point is shake my head at how the obvious escaped so many people.

[Peace Patriot]

6. For those who think this fascist junta in the U.S. is the fault of the

Green Party, I would like to ask you, who, among the Democratic Party leaders in the 2002 to 2004 period, raised their voices over rightwing Bushite corporations gaining control of the "tabulation" of our all of our votes with "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code and virtually no audit/recount controls, in the new $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle designed by Tom Delay and Bob Ney?

Who warned the American people? Who exposed this mindboggling privatization of our elections, by RIGHTWING BUSHITE CORPORATIONS? Where was the Democratic Party leadership when our right to vote was taken away?

I am a lifelong Democratic Party voter--40 years of it--who has never voted Green in my life, though I have been sorely tempted, at times. So I have an especially credentialed right to say this: Our party leaders SOLD AWAY our right to vote in a highly corrupt context of lavish lobbying and porkbarrel spending specifically related to electronics in government, and in the further highly corrupt context of war profiteering. They didn't give a fuck about our sovereignty as a people, our right to elect REPRESENTATIVE leaders, our democracy, and the integrity of our elections, because they all live so well with war. They can take a few tens of thousands of slaughtered Iraqis, and tortured Muslims, and thousands of dead U.S. soldiers, as long as THEY eat well, and as long as the donations keep pouring into their coffers.

I am STILL not in favor of defecting to the Greens, or forming some new "big tent" party, because I think we need to be realistic. I think our country is in extraordinary danger, and the risks of a center/left split are too hauntingly similar to Germany in the 1930s. We need to achieve stability before we can address the conditions that LED TO this fascist coup, and, above all, we MUST restore TRANSPARENT elections, before we can do anything about anything else.

But that doesn't mean I have to be silent about our Democratic leaders' egregious failure to protect our right to vote, or their corruption and collusion with this fascist coup. We need to be realists, yes, but we need to be truthful about our own party leaders and stop blaming the Greens and former Nader voters--who voted overwhelmingly for John Kerry in 2004. The Democratic Party's collusion with global corporate predators is WHY the 2000 election was even close. If the Democratic Party leadership had listened to the Greens, and their own grass roots, on Corporate Rule and ballooning military budgets, we wouldn't be in the damned mess we're in now. To blame the Greens for the corruption of the Democratic Party leadership is the height of hypocrisy and deceit.

[Imagevision]

4. recent revelations in DC. are proving we're not getting over anything!!

They tell us to get over it, this is what we will say when Bush is forced to resign after November elections and investigations of treason will commence.

[Peace Patriot]

7. Resources for American Revolution II:

SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA Attorney General subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,110192,00.html
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x419226

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More resources for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)

(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x422926
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x421136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=422967&mesg_id=422967
(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy!)
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Bob Koehler's latest: "Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence

[BlooInBloo]

8. And 10s of millions of irresponsible bigoted voters...

... are let off the responsibility-hook yet again...


Is election-stealing a big issue? Of course it is. I just think pursuing it TO THE EXCLUSION of the 10x greater problem of PEOPLE ACTUALLY VOTING REPUBLICAN is a bad idea. In particular, if the people voting for republicans never get blamed, um, they'll never stop.

[genie_weenie]

9. You are totally wrong.

The US Government has, since 1783, been slowly eradicating your rights. Certainly, there have been watershed years, at which time more destruction was done to the rights of Americans, the following come to mind: 1786, 1794, 1841, 1861-1865, 1876, 1894, 1914, 1917-1918, 1932, 1953 and 2000 may well end up on this list.

But, the tracks have been laid for years and it seems only under the *, who like none before him abuses this power out in the open and with unabashed glee, does anyone care to take notice.

The State does not like you, the State will not help you, the State cares only about how much it can squeeze from you (not just monetary) before you are ground into fertilizer for the next batch of fresh meat...

[BeFree]

11. Evidently yall have succumbed

Only two or three repilies to this thread got that the stolen elections are to blame.

Who thinks Gore would have invaded Iraq?

Who thinks Kerry would be marching us into Iran?

I guess most of you have gotten over the stolen elections. Sad.

[genie_weenie]

14. If Gore was President

there is no way we'd be in Iraq. But, I hold to my earlier post concerning the State and it's past history. The power which * abuses so blatantly has been there for years and has been abused before...

I missed the 2000 conflagartation by being in boot and I missed most of the 2004 debate for being in Ramadi. Never voted for *.

[WhiteTara]

12. the seeds of our demise were planted many

years ago.
http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm
Here is a very good primer on the reason we are at this junction. We all need to be informed so we can fight the real enemies rather than the shadows of them.

The United States has experienced religious and cult hucksters throughout its history, from Cotton Mather and his Salem witch burners to Billy Sunday, Father Charles Coughlin, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, and others. But none have ever achieved the kind of power now possessed by a powerful and secretive group of conservative politicians and wealthy businessmen in the United States and abroad who are known among their adherents and friends as The Fellowship or The Family. The Fellowship and its predecessor organizations have used Jesus in the same way that McDonald’s uses golden arches and Coca Cola uses its stylized script lettering. Jesus is a logo and a slogan for the Fellowship. Jesus is used to justify the Fellowship’s access to the highest levels of government and business in the same way Santa Claus entices children into department stores and malls during the Christmas shopping season.

When the Founders of our nation constitutionally separated Church and State, the idea of the Fellowship taking over the government would have been their worst nightmare. The Fellowship has been around under various names since 1935. Its stealth existence has been perpetuated by its organization into small cells, a pyramid organization of “correspondents,” “associates,” “friends,” “members,” and “core members,” tax-exempt status for its foundations, and its protection by the highest echelons of the our own government and those abroad.

[BeFree]

13. Yes, they are part of it all

They helped Delay introduce HAVA, after they told us to get over Gore being ripped off. Once HAVA was on the books, and $4 billion in HAVA dollars flowed to the e-voting machines, the second steal was on. Kerry was then ripped off. They stole the elections.

They pulled it off and everyone has gotten over the theft of our democracy. Even DUers.