Has * made US more hated to extremist Muslims than Israel?

[MoonRiver]

Poll question: Has * made US more hated to extremist Muslims than Israel?

I'm wondering.

[movonne]

1. I voted yes but I would probably say (if it was there) that is about

the same..

[MoonRiver]

2. One thing I've noticed is that Israel hasn't had a lot of suicide attacks

lately. Or maybe I just haven't caught them on the news. What frightens me is that they may be putting all their time and energy into planning how to get US. :scared:

[PetraPooh]

7. Hamas called a temporary truce, but Isreal is still attacking Palestine

[dipsydoodle]

15. Until today in Tel Aviv

but I wouldn't associate that with your mention of the subject.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Just my opinion

but my husband often goes to an international Muslim discussion board. Muslims of all persuasions are there, and I'm not saying that some of the most extreme of them don't call the US the Great Satan. But from the few times I've lurked there, I've noted a more widespread distrust and disgust with the state of Israel. Since it is an international board, where many identify their country of origin, there is ample opportunity to show distain or hatred for the US, but when it comes out, it is for Bush and the leaders rather than generalized to all Americans.

[twenty2strings]

4. Israel a subsidiary of Americorp...

To THEM. They ask why Israel has the bomb and won't declare,but Iran which is in legal non-proliferation compliance is talked about.

[Montagnard]

5. Israel and the US

One in the same…for many.

[PetraPooh]

6. I think its neck-n-neck and the race aint over. . .I also disagree

with the poster above about Isreal being a sub of the USA, I think its the other way around.

[MoonRiver]

8. Neck and neck is pretty horrifying.

[dipsydoodle]

9. I'm thinking

that your topic is the understatement of the year.

[MoonRiver]

11. How so?

Please explain. I started this thread because I'm starting to believe we are numero uno villain to the extremists. But I don't know if my perception is correct.

[dipsydoodle]

12. In simple terms

you've (obviously not you personally) done considerably more to upset the muslims than Israel could ever achieve. Accordingly, by proportion, the probability of one of them coming to get you is higher. If it's a single individual , maybe not yet born , who exacts complete retribution, then the question becomes "will you understand" ?

Given geographical proximity then if the muslims really wanted to harm Israel they simply export ebola or Marburg to them. They have not done so and hopefully , at least for the foreseeable future, the status quo of tit for tat stone throwing will be all that happens.

Despite the fact I'm certainly not anti semitic whilst I don't wholly agree with the existence of the State of Israel I wish them no harm. If you're tempted to ask why not so then I can only say that if the recreation of alleged effective land rights which lapsed c. AD100 was ok in the 20th century then presumably you'd be happy with restoration of all native indian land rights in the USA.
I'd be happy with that as a trade off.

[cali]

13. Your post makes little

sense. How on earth could anyone infect Israels with a disease like Marburg or Ebola and not infect Palestinians? Not importing infectious diseases is hardly indicative of whether or not anyone wishes real harm to Israel.

[dipsydoodle]

14. Neither have any effect

on the land. That's more than be said of nuclear devices. The issue is territorial so it's the land which is important to the muslims. That was the reason for the example I used.

[MoonRiver]

17. One point. I'd LOVE to restore all native Indian land rights to their

original dwellers. We swindled the Indians for centuries and it is a complete outrage and scourge (among many) upon this country.

[dipsydoodle]

18. Nice soft accurate expression that -

original dwellers. Please accept my compliments. The Aborigines have already got part of the way there with the Australian government. Just imagine Bush's face if whichever tribe was indiginous to the area of his ranch was to be granted legal hunting and fishing rights if nothing else.

[MoonRiver]

19. I'm glad to hear about the Aborigines making gains.

We were in Australia a few years ago and I was apalled about their plight. We visited Ayers Rock (Uluru) and signed a petition to ban climbing plus something else, I think. The rock actually belongs to the Aborigines but they can't control the tourist traffic there :crazy:. Many people die on the rock each year. It is also considered a sacrilege for the rock to be climbed. I didn't go up but my husband went a little ways up. :(

[0007]

16. Our insane gangster leaders are taking us right down the road

to no return.

[cali]

10. Israel of course.

It's safe to say that Muslim extremists are strongly anti-semitic, not merely anti-Israel. Check some fundamentalist Islamic websites. The hate these people feel for Israel exceeds what they feel for the U.S. Israel's existance is an affront to them in a way the U.S. never has been,

[sutz12]

20. Voted "Yes," but I may be wrong

I strongly believe that they hate us a LOT more now than they did 6 years ago.

OBL succeeded in the sense that what he did provoked actions by the neo-cons that helped put much more of the Muslim world on his side, or at least against us. I think most Muslims understood us taking out the Taliban and neutralizing OBL (if only we had :sarcasm: ) and could live with that. No Muslim can like us in Baghdad, one of their holy cities. (As an aside, are any of their cities not 'holy'?)

[pat_k]

21. USA aggression is as corrupting to Islam as the Crusades

The Koran permits the use of arms only in self-defense. And further, the jihad generally refers to the internal struggle.

"Permission is given (to fight) those who have taken up arms against you wrongfully. And verily God (Allah) is well able to give you succor. To those who have been driven forth from their homes for no reason than this that say 'Our Lord is God." Qur'an goes on to add, "Hath not God repelled some men by others, cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of God is ever mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down." (Qur'an 22: 39-42)

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but don't transgress limits; for God loves not the transgressor." . . .
"And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression"(Qur'an 2: 190-193)

Many view the corruption of this principle of non-aggression by Islamists to have it's roots in the justification for seeking to take back the lands taken in the crusades.

From http://www.arches.uga.edu/~godlas/rejectjihad.html

"Jihad, which literally means 'struggle,' has an internal, societal and combative dimension. The internal dimension of Jihad encompasses the struggle against the evil inclinations of the self, and the spiritual
project to adorn the self with virtues such as justice, mercy, generosity and gentleness. The societal dimension includes struggling against social injustice and creating a communal identity based on charity, respect and equality. Finally, the combative aspect of jihad is only to be used as self-defense against aggression or to fight oppression, and, even then, to
be observed with strict limits of conduct that preserves the life of innocents and the sanctity of the environment. Moreover, this latter type of Jihad can only be declared by a legitimate, recognized religious authority.

Just as reaction to the crusades opened the door that allowed certain religious authorities to stretch and distort the limits, George W. Bush's agression allows factions to pick and choose and distort in a way the rationalizations violence.