Let's assume a lot of what we see and hear is staged for our consumption.

[Skip Intro]

Given us to keep us busy. Left wing, right wing - its all a charade. Let's assume its all orchestrated.

Just for a minute.

I almost perceive forces behind it all (what's visible, knowable, repeated); forces that make the big decisions, forces that use puppets like bush to manipulate and fool and occupy the ma$$es while the bigger, hidden agenda is carried out.

Does anyone else sense a higher teir of, er, authority/command?

And somewhere down the line, just after the 2004 election, or maybe before, these forces, these hidden and powerful entities, decided bush was over. Something has changed since the 04 "election." A decision, it would seem to me, has been made at some level higher up than the mere leaders of nations. A greater power has decided that bush is over.

Is it just me?

If not, if you have an idea of what I'm trying to say, who do you think these entities that can orchestrate a fantasy to keep us busy while they make decisions about our lives - who do you think they are?

What is their ultimate goal?

Or do I just need to adjust my medications?

[Erika]

1. W ended America as we know it

and gave it away to corporatists. Why you wish to blame others is beyond me. Other than the supporters who voted for him.

W has no identification or compassion for the poor or working class.

[Eric J in MN]

2. As Erika implies, Bush doesn't need to win any more elections

in order to maintain corporate control.

Corporate whores have no need to push him anymore.

They will push the next Republican presidential candidate, unless the Demcrat is such a sellout that he or she is acceptable to them.

[Oversea Visitor]

3. No so far fetch

Powerful people with money
They only interested in money
bush making US self destruct
I am just amaze it is taking so long

Nah bush born loser
He cant do a thing right
Get hurt fighting Cedar tree:rofl:

bush, me think wont serve full second terms.
Too scary a thoughts on potential fubar he can cause
Think they want to get rid of him now
bush going to get the kick

[Flabbergasted]

4. Bush wore out his usefullness?

[Oversea Visitor]

6. Well he got

the uber embassy in place, the 14 superbases.
But he dont have a clue how to solve the Iraq problems
Helen Thomas questioning has clue
It is in bush answer
He leaving the Iraq mess to future President to solve
But hey 2 years can totally destroy whatever masterplan there is
Better to put someone in charge now then let madhatter run amok.

There is no doubt in my mind that US in Iraq for long haul
Embassy and bases prove that
No logic in spending all those money otherwise
Might as well repair NO.

But to do it right need good leader
Bush :rofl: dont make the cut

Somehow need win win suituation
Bush only know I win suituation
No win win
Long uber fight

Masterplan cant work if engage in long uber fight
To expansive cant make money
He screw up bigtime already suituation almost out of control
Few more moths and those uber superbases and embassy can be written off :rofl:
So they better get him out before he blow it to fubar.

[Flabbergasted]

11. Nice one!

[Patchuli]

5. Here you go, 411 on the PNAC

by William Rivers Pitt:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

[brokensymmetry]

7. I've begun to wonder.

Only, maybe the switch between Repugs and Democrats is part of the dance.
Maybe it's the Democrat's turn; but I wonder...will any of our hopes
come to pass, or will they be whittled away such that the mighty oak
we expected is reduced to a toothpick?

What's the ultimate goal? Perhaps a very simple one - control and power.
We stay stirred up about this or that - none of which we have the slightest
control over - and we are so easily manipulated.

Take the recent immigration debate. It was a volatile, emotional issue.
It took our attention away from Iraq, and perhaps other, darker things.

Who really profits from things as they are? Arguably, the companies that
profit from illegal alien labor. Do they actually want the immigrants
deported? No! Do they want them legalized, or a true guest worker system
created? Again, no! Because if the illegals were legalized, suddenly wages
would go up. So what happens? Lots of arguments, proposals to deport some
12,000,000 people, mass demonstrations and then....it all just goes away.
And if the Congress does decide to do something, I'd suppose that it will
appear to be significant, but will actually change nothing. This
begs the question, why did they stir up such an emotional issue at all? Hmmm.

Abortion and gay marriage are two other emotionally charged issues. One need
only mention either of them to create an angry argument. Now, who gains from
such divisiveness?

Perhaps their goal is to keep us consuming mindlessly while they have all the
real money and power.

Or, maybe not. I doubt they'll invite any of us to the party anyway.

[linazelle]

8. I don't think the powerful forces are human--humans are not that smart

IMHO

I think Katrina, for instance, backfired on them and no one in the media anticipated the fallout. The window to real news opened for a minute and that was enough to send Bush's popularity into freefall mode. That's why afterwards, they send the military in to seal the window but it was too late.

The legal investigations are another issue. The Bush cabals has brazenly done whatever they've felt like doing and they did not seem to expect anything to backfire. Some of it has and will continue to.

As for orchestration, I believe there is orchestration but in another way. I think that a measured amount of scandal is put out there to keep things "real." If everything were pro Bush all the time, even the stupidest of his followers would begin to see that the media is monolithic. So we have the contrived debate and measured criticism--most of it full of ommissions and fairy tale narratives without any real debate.

[shadowknows69]

9. The Machines?

Wake up Neo.

[OneBlueSky]

10. the fact that NOTHING you see or hear on television "news" . . .

or in your local paper can be believed represents a HUGE change in how things work in this country . . .

tv and newspapers are where most Americans get their news, and most actually believe most of what they see and hear . . . not realizing that it's largely misinformation, disinformation, or no information designed to keep them befuddled and to dissuage them from rising up against the government . . . people have been conditioned all their lives to pretty much accept the media's reporting, so the notion that something is greatly amiss is just plain foreign to them . . . something they just can't process -- "cognitive dissonance," if you will . . . ("Hey, it was IN the paper and ON the news!") . . .

that's why the people aren't taking to the streets . . . for most, while there certainly are problems, the government is genuinely trying to cope with them as best they can -- even if the leader is a largely inarticulate and uninformed dork . . . (that's what advisors are for, don'tch know) . . .

the idea that this government is actually history's largest and most dangerous criminal conspiracy is just too much for them to handle . . . thus talk of possible attacks on Iran with nuclear weapons elicits little more than a shrug . . . actually processing that information and internalizing how terrifying it is -- well, that's beyond the cpacity of most people's highly programmed gray matter . . .

oh, they may come around to despising Bush -- many, in fact have . . . but convincing them that the whole system is the thoroughly corrupt and criminal enterprise that it truly is will be a lot, LOT harder . . .