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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:06 PM
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If Iran is nuked, do NOTHING.
I have no doubt in my mind that George W. Bush wants to be the man who pushes the button; in his deluded, messianic mindset, it’s his way of leaving his mark, literally, upon the world.

I have no doubt in my mind that George W. Bush intends to attack Iran with tactical nuclear weapons, regardless of the concerns raised by his advisors and the world community. I believe this because I believe George W. Bush is insane.

George W. Bush and his consorts want to undue fifty years of Cold War detente, of the work done by every advocate of peace since the atom was first split. He wants to use a nuclear bomb because God gave it to the USA, so it must be used.

The newest super-bombs being built as we speak are named "Divine". The "Divine Hellcat". The "Divine Fury". The "Divine sword". As if God himself forged these obscene devices in His own kiln and handed them directly to George W. Bush.

It is insane.

George W. Bush is either a sociopathic serial liar, or a deluded zealot, or both. In either case, George W. Bush is dictating foreign and domestic policy because a distorted belief in Christianity based on citing gospels of convenience to further his agenda.

The Bush Crime Family, along with their cronies in the corporate class, have successfully hijacked the media, and fooled the stupid and some of the intelligent alike. They have rigged elections, destroyed the sacred system of governmental checks and balances, and intimidated or blackmailed many who would otherwise oppose their activities.

This agenda is further advanced by successfully polarizing the American public into believing that any complex issue can be boiled-down to what George H.W. Bush called “…a simple matter of good and evil, right and wrong…”. On the right, blind fanatics who can successfully delude themselves into believing that the figure they supposedly worship, Jesus Christ (the “Prince of Peace”), would advocate the violence and destruction which has become a fixture of Western foreign policy. These people adopt sanctimonious ideas like the Rapture as if they were part of the Sermon on the Mount, when they're not even mentioned in the Bibles a majority of these zealots clearly have not or cannot read.

They hold an irrational, blind hatred of the people of the Middle East when their own supposed Savior was born there. What they are waging ideological war against is the Cradle of Civilization. These people decry the destruction of the ancient Buddha by the Taliban, while the US Army destroys the ancient scriptures in the Iraqi National Archives; artifacts that have survived five thousand years, and are the key to the understanding of our history.

On the left, the rulers of the left are divided, and those few in positions of real power and influence are convinced that speaking out against the barbarism of the PNAC is political suicide. What they fail to understand, just as the rank and file of the religious right fail to understand, is that the PNAC agenda is global suicide. The left, the secular humanists, must unite against this madness. We must stop infighting and arguing about the vaidity of Nader over Gore. We must get someone who holds our core values into a position of authority, and pronto. The tweaking and fine-tuning of the ideology can come later.

PNAC is a policy to reap the world of its riches, but, just as is the case in Iraq, there is no exit plan. Yes, the PNAC will result in the United States becoming a global empire, but at the expense of our fragile, irreparable biosphere.

It is insane.

The figurehead of the Republican Party is insane. The party does not resemble in any way the Republican Party of Eisenhower, Roosevelt, or even Nixon. It has been infiltrated by people who are either religious extremists, or who do an excellent job of pretending to be religious extremists. It is another Taliban.

The hypocrisy of the religious right’s support of an endless “War on Terror” is obvious. It’s not just the sons and daughters of liberals who are being blown to bits in Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s also the children of the fundies. And yet they continue to support this ideological, infinite war.

They are under the spell of a group of madmen who actively support the dumbing-down of the citizenry by undermining science and art, and allowing the insane to teach future generations that the earth was slapped together in five days by a benevolent but strict old man in the sky, and that the same old man in the sky is actively supporting the genocide of half his creation by the other half.

It is insane. .

Meanwhile, at home, the United States of America, the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, cannot afford to run its schools and hospitals, pave its roads, pay its police officers, fire fighters, librarians and other civil servants a wage that reflects the importance of their duties. It eliminates public transit at a time when it’s apparent to everyone with a fourth grade education that the world’s petroleum is running out.

The Age of the Automobile is coming to an end. You and I will see it in our lifetime.

The America of the Founding Fathers, of Ben Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, and Kennedy no longer exists. That America was a nation of inventors, explorers and free-thinkers. That America would have produced a generation of men and women who would have seen the end of oil as just another adversity to overcome in the building of a successful nation. The America of today, George W. Bush’s America, is a nation of corporate whiners, who decry the welfare state while pocketing subsidies and tax relief from the same system. They do not search for a solution to the end of oil, because, quite frankly, it’s cheaper and easier to simply invade other countries and take their oil. The corporations have become so adept at this practice, which has been refined and adapted since Columbus set sail for the New World, that they have managed to make these wars profitable for themselves.

The current administration is waging a war to protect a way of life that simply no longer exists. The guaranteed pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is no longer possible.

You aren’t living if you can’t afford somewhere to live.

You aren’t free if you are under constant surveillance.

You cannot be happy when your happiness is contingent on the suffering of others.

America, as we’ve known it, is over. There has been a second American Revolution, and it happened right under our noses. What becomes of this society depends on us, particularly over the next five years. A third Revolution is needed if you and the rest of the shrinking middle class are to bring dignity and respect back to the United States. You need to address and fix flaws in the government which allow one party, left or right, to possess unchecked power. You need to demand that your tax dollars not be spent on weapons of mass destruction, but on a social network which elevated the standard of living for all Americans. You need to demand that international debt be erased, and that some of America’s vast wealth be spent in making life better for the people of exploited nations, which will win you more friends than enemies, more supporters than terrorists. And you need to stop buying the Cadillac Escalade when your own children are filling the tank with their blood.

George W. Bush will drop the bomb. Of this I have no doubt.

But what can you do? Nothing.

On the day the bomb drops. Do nothing.

Don’t buy anything.

Don’t go to work.

Don’t drive your car.

Put an end to this insane sick society by paralyzing it.

Call it a General Strike if you must, but the only power we little people have left is the power of our wallets.

Imagine a day when no planes fly because no crew show up for work.

Imagine a day when no shiploads of Chinese prison labor goods are unloaded because the dockworkers refuse to do it.

Imagine a day when the airwaves are practically silent, and the lying, blow-dried cheerleaders at FoxNews can only broadcast if they can figure out how to work all that equipment, because the broadcast engineers don'’ show up.

Imagine cellphones, land-lines, and the precious Blackberry being rendered useless.

Imagine a day where the economy stalls because nobody buys anything.

Imagine the streets of New York, Washington, Chicago, and LA choked with empty taxis.

Imagine a National Guard who will not fire on unarmed civilians, and will understand that they are accountable to the people, not to the government.

Imagine the message that will send; that “We, the People” are putting an end of this obsolete, oligarchic system and starting anew, on our own, humanist terms, and that we will not be made wealthy at the price of the planet or its less-fortunate.

The corporatists need you. They need your money and your labor to survive.

Tell everyone you know: When the madman drops the bomb, do nothing.

That is your power.




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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:09 PM
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1. If they drop the nuke on Iran this is as good a plan as any
Kind of a depressing prospect though - I hope you are wrong about them being so insane as to do this.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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republicansarewhores Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:56 AM
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33. I saw this solution in a movie once.
I wonder if Christopher Walken's aim has improved?

RAW
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:41 PM
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67. "The missiles are flying, gentlemen...Hallelujah!"
:scared:
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:12 PM
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58. Why wait?
We should be doing this now.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:09 PM
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2. except stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye!
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:42 PM
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26. ...talking about nuclear war...

nuclear war
talking about
nuclear war
it’s a mother f*cker don’t you know
talking about nuclear war
it’s a mother f*cker don’t you know
they push that button your ass gotta go
talking about nuclear war
they’re talking about nuclear war
if they push that button your ass gotta go
they’re talking about nuclear war
if they push that button your ass gotta go
it’ll blast you so high in the sky
kiss your ass goodbye
you can kiss your ass goodbye
if they push that button it’s gonna blast your ass
so high in the sky
you can kiss your ass goodbye they’re talking about nuclear war
radiation
mutation
fire
hydrogen bombs
atomic bombs
neutron bombs
kiss your ass goodbye ....

From Yo La Tengo, Nuclear War (written by Sun Ra), available here (turn your speakers on! -- and while you're there, play Ani DiFranco's Self Evident and get very angry!).

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:12 PM
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3. No need. A few EMP bursts will have the same effect.
Except it ain't by choice and your car won't start afterward.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:14 PM
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4. Nicely written. Thanks!



K&R.



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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:21 PM
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5. Great post
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:23 PM
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6. Happily
albeit more than a little bittersweet, offering up the 5th "R"
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:29 PM
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7. Wouldn't It Make More Sense To Hold The General Strike Before
the nuclear one, or even before the elections? Or perhaps on the day of the elections.

When the powers-that-be have tin ears, one must get very loud and in their faces to be heard and recognized.

I think we need to prepare for the Purge by listing every PNAC member, Bushbot, and nepotism appointee to prosecute under RICO, every illegal law to repeal, tainted medals to cancel, pensions to seize, and corporations and non-profits to bust up. In public, on protected servers.

Call it a hit list if you want. I'll bet you money the conspirators had one they worked on for 30 years, ever since Nixon went down.
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LeeB Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:45 PM
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12. NOW we're cookin' . . . Publish the hit list!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:01 PM
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51. "Evidence that may be used against you... blah...blah"
No. Not a good idea, LeeB.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:57 PM
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31. YES. This is the answer.
Although it should have nothing to do with elections.

It should just be an ordinary Wednesday.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:33 AM
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41. There is a May 1 general strike planned by illegal immigrants.
They want people to see the impact they have on the economy.

We should all join in.

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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 07:49 AM
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42. The Monday before the election
Every person in favor of impeachment should have a one day strike to protest on November 6th, the day before the election. Best day to make a statement.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:29 PM
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8. Thanks for the wisdom
and the rant.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:34 PM
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9. Sick but not insane. They are culpable for their actions.
Insanity is generally a legal term for those not responsible for their actions.
Bush is responsible for what he does in spite of his mental problems. Also the people who follow these orders are responsible.

We will all pay for this; as will our children and future generations.
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LeeB Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:40 PM
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10. Thought provoking piece . . .
VERY well written. Thank you.

Just one quibble:

How about instead of waiting for the madman to do his worst, this excellent plan is kicked into gear in an attempt to preventthis disaster?

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No New War Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:37 PM
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63. RE: Thought provoking piece . . .
I'm inclined to agree. This is our country, not his. And war cannot be his decision any longer.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:42 PM
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11. I have not seen the Divine series of nukes
I googled and have not seen anything about them. The rest is spot on and fucking scary. I agree we need a national strike day from everything.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:53 PM
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14. Look for Divine Strake.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:47 PM
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64. Good God- that is a terrifying read. n/t bhn
.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:53 PM
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15. "Divine Strake":
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=4041740

Divine Strake is “an integral part” of STRATCOM’s new ... and experiments called Divine Buffalo, Divine Invader, Divine Hellcat
http://www.thatsanotherfinemess.com/2006/04/06/is-nuking-iran-george-bushs-november-strategy/
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:13 PM
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19. oh yes I have read about that
but the second link I had not seen! fuck them all! :scared:
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:25 PM
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20. Divinely OBSCENE names!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:32 PM
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71. But we don't use God in our non-Crusade like he who we're not to compare
bush to did!

Gott mit uns!
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:06 PM
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57. Those are stupid names anyway.
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 02:07 PM by tjwash
Maybe they should start a "wild" series of nukes, keeping to the GWB theme while they are at it. Name the first one they actually drop "Wild Speculation." Another idea is maybe they can name the little ones after the apostles, and just call the big nukes "Christ Almightys"
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:00 PM
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17. There is no evidence that any of the 'Divine' serie are nuclear.
Divine Strake is a monster conventional bomb, no doubt designed to simulate a nuclear bunker buster -- but it is not nuclear. Maybe the others in the series are; but there is nothing out there to prove it.

I also agree that we need to do something before that twisted SOB convinces the folks who actually sit at the controls to input the launch codes.



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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:04 PM
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56. It's just Wild Speculation.
Sorry, couldn't resist. :hi:

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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:14 PM
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Sorry for the confusion.
Divine Strake and Divine Hellcat are experimental large-tonnage explosive devices being tested in Nevada.

They are non-nuclear, but equal in energy to a "small" nuclear explosion.

The problem with this research is that these bombs are each 700 tons. There is no delivery system anywhere that could carry such weight. Each bomb would require a plane with the capacity of 20 B52s to carry it.

Many experts suggest that since these devices have no practical use due to their mass, they are being used as research of the effects of similarly explosive nuclear payloads. In essence, they are being used to simulate a nuclear explosion, without exposing surrounding communities to radioactive fallout and without violating the standing global ban on above-ground nuclear testing.

Also a part of the Divine series are the new generation of bunker-busters, which are so large they have to be dropped from the largest cargo plane in the world, and are explosive enough to ignite the air around them to compound the energy of the explosion.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:04 AM
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39. but by exploding them in NV......
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 06:05 AM by leftchick
won't there be a lot of old nuclear fallout stired up? Damn these mutherfuckers are crazy! And why the hell is harry reid letting them do it in his state??
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:19 AM
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36. I hope one of them is named "Divine Wind."
That term being the usual English translation for the Japanese word kamikaze.
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don954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:52 PM
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13. if they drop the nuke, im going on a long trip on my sailboat
and i will just hope there is something left to come back to..
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SixStrings Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 07:57 PM
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16. Sorry. He's anything but insane.

This has all been about money. The $$$'s. What does 'all' mean? Well, everything since the elections in 2000. Everything. Money. It's really that simple. I just don't believe the idea that Bush is some sort of religious nut, hell bent on bringing the 'end times'. He was 'installed' in his position by the corporate heads, (who truly 'govern' things), as nothing more than a puppet to get their messages,influence and infrastructure in place to take full advantage of the truly ignorant, aggressive and easily brainwashed American populace. Don't believe me? See Haliburton, Carlyle group, etc, etc, etc. How much did you pay for gas today???
I truly believe this 'nuking Iran' meme is being spread around so as to create an illusion of sorts. This is all I've been hearing, Iran & nukes, nukes and Iran. Why? So when American soldiers seize the Iranians oil and resources, WITHOUT having to nuke them into the stone age, Bush can say, "See, I didn't HAVE to nuke them,", or something along those lines.

De-sensitizing the public to more American atrocities.

Coming soon to a theater near you.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:36 PM
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21. i agree with your assessment
Im not sure exactly why all this nuke Iran stuff is going around. But I do agree Bush is just a tool making a lot of people a lot of money. All this religious stuff is for his base to be distracted from whats really going on and for his enemies to be distracted from the man in the bank vault.

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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:58 AM
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78. What he is doing and saying is insane.
But I agree it's not religious insanity.

His boasts about talking to god and his hints of a belief in end-times are just bullshit to draw in the religious insane.

His insanity lies in believing that there is any personal benefit to him from the terrible things he has done. There won't be, he is aging quickly and will die lonely, unloved and miserable, knowing that nobody regretting his passing.
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TabulaRasa Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 08:10 PM
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18. Sorry, I think there may be too few of us for
this to be effective. We may have to take a more direct route in order to paralyze the country: direct, non-violent resistance, as oppose to passive resistance.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:14 PM
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22. Sorry, but I work at a hospital...
I've got a duty to show up. But I appreciate your fighting spirit.
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godhatesrepublicans Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 09:22 PM
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23. does going berserk count as doing nothing?
I mean personally if the country I love goes down as the first in history to use nukes in an unprovoked attack, I plan on going completely batshit.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:01 PM
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24. Great post. nt
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Bad Penny Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:03 PM
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25. scary shit
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:49 AM
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47. Hi Bad Penny!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:48 PM
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27. Thank you. And I think he is both a liar AND a zealot. nt.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 10:59 PM
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28. A very good resource about the "Divine" line here too
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/ops/divine-strake.htm

The DIVINE STRAKE full scale test is planned to be a large-yield, buried burst detonated at the Nevada Test Site. Divine Strake would appear to be associated with the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator RNEP, or possibly the B61-11 Earth-Penetrating Weapon, a fact that is obscured in most press coverage. Divine Strake is a high-explosive (HE) test sponsored by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) at the Nevada Test Site (NTS). The test is a detonation of a 700 ton buried heavy AN/FO charge above a tunnel structure. The main purpose of the test is to study ground shock effects on deeply buried tunnel structures. Of secondary interest is the airblast produced by a buried charge and its modification as it propagates over the local terrain. Scheduled for the summer of 2006, as of 01 April 2006 the test was planned for 02 June 2006.

DIVINE STRAKE is one of several "DIVINE" efforts under the Hard and Deeply Buried Target Defeat (HDBTD) program. DIVINE WARHAWK consists of deep underground operational tunnel facility defeat demonstrations using advanced weapons at the White Sands Missile Range. DIVINE HELCAT was a 2004 reconstitution exercise to determine reconstitution time for the C3I tunnel facility at Nevada Test Site (NTS). Also in 2004 planning began for DIVINE HATES, which is a WMD production and storage tunnel complex functional defeat effort.

DTRA's FY2006 budget request including furnding to "Conduct the Tunnel Target Defeat Advanced Concept and Technology Demonstration(s) (ACTD) Full-Scale tunnel defeat demonstration using high explosives to simulate a low yield nuclear weapon ground shock environment at Department of Energy's Nevada Test Site. Deliver validated analysis and planning tools to conduct the end-to-end use of nuclear planning tools to characterize and "weaponeer" the full-scale Tunnel Target Defeat Advanced Concept and Technology Demonstration(s) (ACTD) event. ... The Tunnel Target Defeat Advanced Concept and Technology Demonstration(s) (ACTD) will develop a planning tool that will improve the warfighter’s confidence in selecting the smallest nuclear yield necessary to destroy underground facilities while minimizing collateral damage. The focus of the demonstration is to reduce the uncertainties in target characterization and weapon effect/target response. Target characterization uncertainties include those related to determining the target function, layout, operational status, and the geological and geotechnical features. Weapons effects/tunnel response uncertainties are associated with predicting ground shock and tunnel response in layered and jointed media."

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:35 AM
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37. Divine Hates?!!!!
Where's the exit to this alternate universe!
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:27 PM
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29. If they drop a nuke, I will be in the streets
Along with thousands of others, I hope.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:46 PM
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30. Great rant CA, You're pretty cool even if you do say so yourself.
As an honorary Newfie I salute you. Everything was accurate and to the point. When I was young (Nixon Admin) we did this. "Buy a house"...No thanks, me and my room mates are getting along fine. "Buy a vehicle"...No thanks, me and my buddies share gas money and have a friend who's cousin's neighbor has a car........"Please, please what will it take for you to participate in this countries future?"...........the president's head on a platter.

It does work and as a single Dad with three teenage children I am witnessing the same response pattern. It seems to be necessity rather than philosophy that revolts against a burden to large to carry. We seem to just scale back our expectations an start hugging each other. The bastards can't win. They started this crap more than 8 centuries ago with the Templars and the concept of compound interest and the dim witted fucks just can't seem to get it in their heads that there's a WALL. Screw the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they need to repeal the Magna Carta.

Regardless, that was a nice piece CanuckAmok
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:50 AM
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32. Bravo! . . . now, if we can just find a candidate to say that . . . n/t
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:01 AM
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34. the age of the automobile is NOT coming to an end-
not in this country anyway.

now if you want to argue that the age of the gasoline-driven internal combustion engine is coming to an end, i'd tend to agree with you...but autos will be around for many many more generations.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 03:44 AM
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35. Bravo. nt.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:38 AM
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38. You may be sure he's
going to nuke Iran, but that doesn't make it true. I agree with much of what you say, but none of us is omnicient. That includes you. The constraints on bushco aren't internal, but there are external inhibiting factors. Another problem with the insistence that he'll use nukes, is that intense conventional bombing is almost as bad. I worry that if he does that, the nation will exhale a collective sigh of relief and say, at least he didn't use nukes.

America isn't over. Yet. Quite honestly, I live my life no differently than I did a decade ago. I don't believe I'm under constant surveillance. I don't fear being picked up and thrown into a camp, despite my political activities. The happiness I feel is not contingent on the suffering of others, it's despite it.

I'm sick of all the faux Cassandras and their message of doom. Even if you're right, there's a great deal to be said for shutting up instead of delivering self-important screeds about how the end is nigh. I'm not talking about being blilnd to the perils, but hope is more powerful than fear. Spreading fear is easy. Forging ahead with hope, while understanding the danger, is a much more difficult, but worthwhile endeavor.
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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:53 AM
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50. I agree
Lots of people should consider shutting up before going on self-important screeds
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:44 PM
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68. No, silly....
"shutting up" is the last thing on my mind.

You did mean me, right?
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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:13 PM
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70. No
There are some "self-important screeds" on this thread, but I didn't think yours was one of them
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:21 PM
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72. Mea culpa.
I'm embarassed.
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Lolivia Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:25 PM
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73. Don't be
I realized after I posted (and the edit period had expired) that my post could easily be misconstrued.

I just couldn't let that bit of irony go unmentioned...
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michael_1166 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:34 AM
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40. Good list, but I have one thing to add:
Organize funding and legal help teams for soldiers who decide to put an end to the madness and desert from the military. Mass desertions are the most honourable, most effective way to stop W. in his tracks, make Dick shrink and completely embarrass Rumsfeld.

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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:17 AM
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43. That would only work if we were united.
One person here and there would do nothing.
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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:30 AM
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44. Do NOTHING
Wasn't the first thing that Bush asked the people to do after 9/11 - go shopping he said, go back to work.

I agree is it about money. How convenient that the person in charge of the rumors can raise the price of gas on a daily basis with just rumors of doing something crazy. Exxon/Mobile will have even greater profits for the coming quarter because of what Bush does and doesn't say.

The gas companies said the price is going up this week because of the "potential" for disruption in delivery of petroleum from Iran. Something that has not even happened is driving up the price of gas!

What a great promotional deal - design a leak for profit - and ALL CUSTOMERS PAY, PAY, PAY AND PAY!
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:04 AM
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45. Amen.
:kick:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 09:56 AM
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46. Death, birth deformities,
fallout, radiation disease, and cancer by the millions.

Quite a legacy....
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:50 AM
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48. It'll pretty much happen by itself.
The United States will instantly become a pariah nation with zero international support. No imports, no exports, and the U.S. dollar becomes worthless.

The shelves at Wal-Mart will be empty, the gasoline stations will be empty, the streets and highways will be empty.

There won't be any reason or way to get to your old work.

Everyone will be scrambling for neighborhood jobs that pay in food.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:51 AM
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49. Question
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 11:51 AM by Nederland
If everything you say about Bush and the Republicans is true, why haven't they already nuked Iran?
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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:31 PM
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52. If Bush nukes Iran, I will do ONE thing...
I will leave the USA and remove, forever,not just one day, my portion of funding from the facist war/torture/corporate welfare machine.

Even if he doesn't nuke Iran, if the Dems don't take one or both houses of congress and start investigations/impeachment hearings, then I'm still leaving.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:01 PM
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53. My plan: American Revolution II
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:23 PM
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54. I'd prefer that we do all you suggest BEFORE he nukes Iran. Maybe May 1st?


Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:34 PM
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55. SF General Strike of 1934 worked...the unions united and demands met
E. V. Debs ran for president even from his jail cell, never achieved office yet his party platform of reforms were eventually adopted.

The prgression of truth:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Schopenhauer
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 02:47 PM
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59. And you think Bush will tell us before he toast Iran? Surely you jest?
If anytime "national security" is used this is the baby!! - one day you wake up, turn on your computer or TV and poof! world war-3
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:43 PM
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60. Why wait? If we do nothing NOW maybe whey will throw aWoL under the bus,
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:52 PM
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61. Why wait for the damn bomb to be dropped - stop everything NOW!
show that idiot that he must stop what he is doing, resign and take the parcel of snakes that pass for an administration with him.

Every big oil energy bureaucrat, sweatshop labour relations advisor and 'clean air' chemical industry executive should be kicked out on their butts. K-Street will no doubt find them a very lucrative post when they get out of jail.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 05:11 PM
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62. all I do is write, call, email, protest and cry
at least that day.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 06:08 PM
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65. Thank you, Captain Caveman!
I'm sure you will laugh as the rich and powerful are brought low...or at least you'll laugh for about five seconds, before the rioters smash in the back of your skull with a baseball bat.

You welcome the apocalypse as much as the Christian zealots do, and pretty much for the same reason; you think you'll come out of it. You won't. Maybe as your brains gush out on what's left of the sidewalk, as the rioter strips off your shoes, you may get the satisfaction of your last thoughts: "I was right, I was right..." Well, hope you enjoy that satisfaction, Reverend CanuckAmuk.

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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:39 PM
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66. Why didn't your thoughtful post include a practical alternative?
Because there isn't one, perhaps?

You are confusing an organized general strike with anarchy. They are two completely different creatures.

But I did enjoy your hyperbole. The brains on the sidewalk was a nice touch.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 08:59 PM
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69. bravo
:applause: You have class.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:29 PM
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74. We're NOT going to "nuke" Iran in a first strike scenario. 'Nuff said n/t
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:10 AM
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79. Thanks so much for enlightening us. Now will you tell bush that?
Someone needs to, as he's apparently ready, willing and able, and refusing to rule it out.

Do you really not understand what "divine Strake" is about?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:34 PM
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75. Thank you for a great post
Sign the petition at this website:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/iran



Sign the petition at this website:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/iran
those familiar with the Bush Administration are familiar with their kind of bravado.

But for the record the Iranian President is not the commander of Iranian Armed forces. The final Decision would be up to the Chief of State and Supreme religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamanei who has already delivered a fatwa against the use of nuclear weapons. And as pointed out in the Juan Cole article-even the Iranian President has stated several times that he would never condone any mass killing of civilian.

But for the sake of argument, if Iran or one of their minions were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel - they would not only desecrate Islamic holy sites, desecrate a land considered sacred to all Muslims--they would kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims; including countless Shiites in southern Lebanon; and this does not include those killed by a retaliatory strike. This is quite implausible

And let us remember, so far their is no evidence whatsoever that Iran is anywhere near such a capacity.

Fishing for a Pretext in Iran

by Juan Cole; March 18, 2006

link: http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929


snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms and committed Iran to remaining a nonnuclear weapons state."

snip:"Tehran denies having military labs aiming for a bomb, and in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program."

snip:"it is often alleged that since Iran harbors the desire to “destroy” Israel, it must not be allowed to have the bomb. Ahmadinejad has gone blue in the face denouncing the immorality of any mass extermination of innocent civilians, but has been unable to get a hearing in the English-language press. Moreover, the presidency is a very weak post in Iran, and the president is not commander of the armed forces and has no control over nuclear policy"

snip: "in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program. The U.S. reaction was a blustery incredulity, which is not actually an argument or proof in its own right, however good U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton is at bunching his eyebrows and glaring."

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientist and the hope of its children. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower



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IndyJones Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:44 PM
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76. Stupid question here....
If he does nuke another country and it isn't supported by Congress or the world community, then can he be charged with some sort of crime? I've read 'no', but surely there must be some accountability outside of his own mind.

This whole situation just scares the holy crap outta me.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:46 PM
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77. The range of responses on this thread is not encouraging.
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 11:57 PM by rucky
No wonder we've had no significant mass action. EVERY TIME there is a call to action on DU that involves something other than sending flowers, all i hear are bullshit excuses why they can't/won't/wouldn't/shouldn't/maybe something else. It fills me with hopelessness and rage, and convinces me that the "opposition" is just a full of shit as the aggressors.

ITS A FUCKING STRIKE PEOPLE. HE'S ASKING US TO DO NOTHING, AND WE CAN"T EVEN DO THAT?!? It's not like it's a march on washington, sheez. Do NOTHING. If you prefer to do nothing at a different date, post your own goddamn call to action and I will support that one as well. I you want to march, we can do that, too - it's not an either/or decision. It may not do any good, so what? It WILL have negative outcomes. Yes, there will be some personal sacrifice. Yes, there will be some struggle involved of any action. For shit sake, people. Anything worthwhile requires some risk and sacrifice.

I may not do much -certainly not nearly enough - but at least I support ANY call to mass action. I certainly would not try to detract a call to action, yet I see it every day here by well-meaning EGOTISTS.



It's INSANE not to support a mass movement at this point, since it's on a very short list of nonviolent solutions.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:38 AM
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80. The sick sad part is the day the bomd drops
Bush's approval jumps to 60% and just watch as the NAZIs rally round the flag... IT would be insane to drop the bomd, but just wait and see the insanity it engenders in our own people.
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