Ohio Bill: FELONY For Women To Cross State Line For An Abortion

[kpete]

Abortion bill sure to fuel fire
Ohio law would make act a felony

By JESSICA BURCHARD
Gazette Staff Writer

House Bill 228

Sponsored by Ohio Rep. Tom Brinkman, R- Mount Lookout, and 16 other representatives.

Make it illegal for a woman to have an abortion and for her to travel across state lines for an abortion.

Anyone involved in coordinating an abortion would face penalties as well.

Source: Ohio Laws, Acts and Legislation.


http://www.centralohio.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/B8/20060320/NEWS01/603200302/1002&template=B8

[MissB]

1. Ummmmmmm.... that isn't legal.

[cain_7777]

74. Do these Rightwing bible humpers...

even know about the constitution? Have they ever heard of free interstate travel? This is the pathway that leads to a police state in which we need papers to travel in between states and our medical records exposed. How in the hell could this law be enforced if not through open medical records. This is disgusting and I use to think nothing like this would ever get passed into law, but with this country crumbling into a theocracy it might. I think I might leave this country in a few more years so I don't get sucked down the toilet with these believers of superstition.

[shadowknows69]

149. I don't think we have a few more years

Once the crusade against Persia commences all bets are off and we'll probably all be hostages in our respective states

[leeroysphitz]

165. They know about the constitution. They just don't CARE about it.

The bible (that is their unique "interpretation" of it), for them, trumps ANYTHING else.

Might as well move to friggin' Afghanistan if these screwballs are allowed to stay in charge.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

76. delete...

[mandyky]

81. Nope - never hold up in SCOTUS

even with the bunch we have in there.

[Guaranteed]

138. First thing I thought. Seems to me that would be regulating other

states, infringing on their sovereignty.

[SaveElmer]

2. Unconstitutional...even without Roe v Wade...

Illegal restraint of trade...

[MidwestTransplant]

4. totally unconstitutional and they know it.

Wouldn't even be heard by the Supreme Court.

[HereSince1628]

37. exactly, they are up against the interstate commerce clause

But HELL, now that they have SCOTUS in their pocket, what's the constitution? Just a piece of paper that Scalia gets to force into his demented interpretation of original intent.

[DemGirl7]

104. Silly....

Don't you know that Scalia doesn't even try to interpret the constitution, he just uses it as toilet paper, along with the other right-wing asses on the court.

[saigon68]

142. Scalia can stick it up his anus

If he has any room left up there

[MuseRider]

3. So will we all be required

to pee in a cup as we leave the state and then again when we enter? No way this is legal.

[Iris]

89. just the womenfolk

[liberalhistorian]

110. Maybe all women will be required

to submit to monthly gynecological examinations to determine the state of their "reproduction", i.e., if they've recently had a miscarriage or abortion or are pregnant. And if they're pregnant, they'll be required to submit to weekly exams to ensure that they're still pregnant. And if they've had a miscarriage, there will be an investigation into exactly why. Don't laugh. These are exactly the kinds of things idiot OH repukes were discussing under the radar before I left the state (thank God!)

Remember that idiot repuke state rep in GA last year who introduced a bill to require women to report a miscarriage within 24 hours of its occurrence or they'd face penalties? Fortunately, he withdrew it after a barrage of furious letters, emails, phone calls, and excoration on the web and in the press, even from conservative, pro-life women. That's the kind of "Handmaid's Tale" idiocy we're beginning to face now.

[lindisfarne]

116. I'll bet if you peed within 24-36 hours of having the abortion, you'd stil

have the hormones related to pregnancy in your urine. So even that wouldn't work!

[Caoimhe]

5. the pro-birthers will stop at NOTHING!

[Critters2]

6. Can't be done

We have a constitutionally protected right to travel between states for legal activities. We're protected against restraint of interstate trade. These guys should at least have to read the Constitution before they take office.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

55. we should rejoice in this bill. two reasons:

first, if they waste all their time on crap like this, that leaves little precious time for real damage to Ohio.
second, if they pursue this, it will only serve to energize our people. And we have the growing majority.


Remember what Kennedy said about that 'Bama governor, the racist who was shot? he ended up being the best poster child for civil rights legislation.

[klook]

169. Yes, George C. Wallace

Another interesting thing about Wallace is that after he was shot, he became a born-again Christian and--unlike the many pseudo-saved we have in politics today--he actually recanted his earlier segregationist views and apologized for the damage he'd done. During Wallace's final term as Alabama governor (1983-87), a record number of Black Alabamians were appointed to government positions.

I'm not holding my breath for any of these anti-abortion idiots to become feminists, though.

I think you're right that their outrageous attempts to curtail rights can energize the opposition. One of the dangers, though, is that the attack dogs can soften up the opposition. The theory is that if they threaten to stop interstate abortion traffic, then when all they do is stop it within the state's borders, people will say, "Well, that's not so bad. I can still travel to New York to get an abortion. Or maybe Puerto Rico."

I hope people are not that complacent and that your analysis is correct.

True also that if these morons are wasting time on futile bills they have less time to do real damage. My worry there is that an outrageous bill can become a red herring that gets the public's attention while others are doing real damage on other fronts under the radar. It does seem to be one of the Republicans' tactics. "Here, you put on a clown outfit and run around like an idiot over there, and while they're busy watching you we'll plant the explosives under the bridge." Or something like that.

[xxqqqzme]

70. first question at the next candiates' forum...

[Iris]

90. It's just so sickening that they act like they CAN do it.

[OnionPatch]

159. They're in Ohio

They have the voting system in the bag there, so yeah, they CAN do this. Not that it's constitutional, but just saying....

[CottonBear]

7. The wives (if any) of these 16 idiots need to go on a sex strike.

:grr: Are these "men" required to read the Constitution prior to taking office?

I'd make it illegal for them to take their dicks out of their pants. :grr:

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. !

:thumbsup:

[Brigid]

35. Deleted

[MindPilot]

24. I think their penises should be confiscated.

None of them are clearly man enough to own and operate one.

[ThomCat]

29. Best sentiment I've seen so far.

I'd support that. Any man who wants to control women's bodies should have someone else controlling theirs. Hands off that penis, and no sex for you.

[Ian_rd]

57. I'm sure that strike started the day after they were married (nt)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

68. Are you certain they're all male?

The link in the post doesn't seem to say.

[KamaAina]

98. But that would be an open invitation to selective enforcement.

I'd make it illegal for them to take their dicks out of their pants.

Trouble is, it's so hard to spot an object the size of a BB at any great distance. The police would have to spend all their time looking for them. Through binoculars. :evilgrin:

[Myrna Minkoff]

103. Their dicks are probably useless ----- eom

[MaraJade]

174. I'd make it illegal for them to take their dicks out of their pants. :grr:

Super idea.

Men who have sex in Ohio should be jailed. Men who father the children that women do not want
should also be jailed. If they are going to jail the woman who goes for the abortion, then
jail the MAN for fathering that child.

Only fair.

[porphyrian]

8. I guess the farmers will fuck each other...

...or the cattle when all the women leave the state.

[liberalhistorian]

12. This is one lifelong Ohio woman who

left that shithole repuke state for South Dakota last summer and have never, ever regretted it, especially as OH goes more and more downhill and grows crazier and crazier, refusing to toss the repuke bums ruining the state out on their asses and back to fucking sheep and cows on their farms. And I ain't alone in leaving, either.

Will the last one out of Ohio please turn out the lights?

[novalib]

14. You Left Ohio --

for South Dakota????

Didn't South Dakota just pass a very oppressive law?

[we can do it]

15. South Dakota???! WTF They Are Just As Fucked UP

I agree Ohio sucks - I want out, too...but why go to another loony bin?

[liberalhistorian]

39. Actually, it isn't as crazy as you might think.

At least we have a Democratic senator and the lone congressional representative is a Democrat. And the republicans, for the most part, are far more moderate than the idiots in Ohio. And believe it or not, there's a real groundswell against the SD abortion ban, with petitions being circulated to put it to a statewide vote in November. I think that will be successful, and I think the vote will be successful. Unlike in Ohio, where people just seem to accept the growing repuke craziness and are apathetic.

[NJCher]

43. just my two cents worth

But I know a little about that area of the country and I think their abortion law is more about a small, organized right wing than it is representative of the people of SD. In short, it's the same situation as what we have nationally.




Cher

[we can do it]

115. Ok - I'll Take Your Word for It, No Offense Intended

BTW - My aunt left Ohio to retire in...North Dakota - apparently it's too warm and liberal here. HEHEHE

:rofl:

[CTyankee]

156. Hi, liberalhistorian

I was glad to read that the spunky South Dakotans are revolting against the legislature's outrage. Hope the referendum shows them for being as out of touch and cruel as they truly are!

What is your area of specialty as an historian?

[liberalhistorian]

172. Yes, SD really has shown itself

to be spunky since this whole thing started, and most of the letters in my local paper, the Rapid City Journal, are especially encouraging.

I just have a B.A. in history, so I don't really have a specialty, just an interest in many areas of history. One of my major areas of interest is Western (American West) history, and I love living here right in the heart of it and near the quentessential western town, Deadwood. I'm glad I moved from OH last year.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. You have my sympathy.

Escape from Ohio, only to have SD do what they did once you are there.

It's hard to just keep moving.

[fortyfeetunder]

137. Then we can change the Ohio State Nickname

From Buckeye State to Brokeback State

[Eurobabe]

10. So glad I am leaving this hellhole in June

the way things are headed here, we'll be like South Dakota in no time.

[liberalhistorian]

46. No, trust me,

Ohio is FAR worse than SD, I'd rather be here any day. I'll be damned if I ever go back to Ohio, I don't care if I spent most of my life there.

[warrens]

11. There's where they're heading

Stock the Supreme Court, bring back burning witches. We're not dealing with sane human beings in the GOP anymore. They're crazed animals.

[Trillo]

13. When will they build the Great Wall of Ohio? (n/t)

[rodeodance]

16. pure hate.

[stillcool]

17. Illegal and unconstitutional used to mean something...

but now the only laws that apply are ones meant to keep the masses in slavery and reward the robber barons with more power.

[rodeodance]

19. what is this, First House makes it felony to be undocumented and now

they want to make it a felony to cross state laws--and will affect those to assist. Sound like the hate is speading.

[Canuckistanian]

20. And this from the man who LOST to Jean Schmidt

A man of whom the GOP state chairman said, "Brinkman, in my opinion, is not a very intelligent human being" .

[Triana]

47. He lost to a woman?

Hell hath no fury like a scorned MAN. Obviously. Sounds like he has a schoolyard bully problem.

[Canuckistanian]

69. Just another misogynist conservative

The psych wards are FULL of them.

[BlooInBloo]

21. What's the PENALTY?

In their eyes the women are murderers after all...

[flyarm]

86. no flowers and candy after the occupation of the freedom loving fundies!

we went to war to give them their freedom...while shitting on it here...can't you hear them now...amen!:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

what freaking hypocrites..they are killing children every day in iraq..and who knows where else..these freaking assholes have no minds!

fly

[OnionPatch]

160. Jail time

That's what I read, anyway.

[MindPilot]

22. So the state of Ohio will cover childcare expenses?

If they are going to make unrestrained reproduction mandatory, then they should make the taxpayers shell out for all food, clothing, education, housing, health care, recreation, etc, etc.

My question is: If she leaves the state for some other reason like to visit an aunt in Colorado and just happens to have an abortion while she's there, is that still a sin against the sacred state of Ohio?

[WernhamHogg]

153. I was wondering the same thing

If an Ohio resident is visiting another state, gets pregnant in that state and has an abortion in that state, has she committed a "crime" under this asinine law? If it is considered a crime, isn't that basically saying that the woman and her body are merely property which is owned by the state of Ohio? :mad:

[mac56]

23. How the hell do they plan to enforce this?!

This will do great damage to the Ohio Repugs. The religious wingnuts will love it, of course, but the libertarians will go batshit crazy.

[Imagevision]

26. Ohio should held responsible for child expenses, without a doubt!

[bunkerbuster1]

25. Can you say "Catering to fundie asshole voters?"

no way in hell these men (I'm assuming they're all men) expect an abortion like this to be passed.

[oc2002]

oh good, another reason for people to just move out of the state.

nuts.

[dogday]

27. UNFUCKINGCONSTITUTIONAL

Man what has this country come to??? To dictate such a mandate on a human being... If this passes, it will be a sad fucking day..... very sad.....

[Jacobin]

34. Why?

What provision of the constitution would it violate?

I've been predicting for some time that these asshats would make it a crime for a woman to go to a different state where its legal to get an abortion.

[dogday]

49. States rights end at the state line

How they can exceed their authority over a person in another state is beyond me... I would think

4th-The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures--

What a woman does in the next state should not be the business of the state she resides in...Trying to take control of her body even when she is not within the jursidiction of said state-trying to access medical records in other states applies as well...


5th -being deprived of liberty( state is extending it's authority over a woman's body in another state) could apply here..

[tritsofme]

144. Clear violation of the Commerce Clause

Article I Section 8 Clause 3

Which states that Congress has the sole authority: "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."

This would be one of those 9-0 decision.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. I'm K&Ring this...

...so everyone can see the degree of overreach by these clowns. :grr:

[Jemmons]

30. Nothing unusual about such a law - Eastern Germany had

laws quite like that for years.

Nothing to se here - please move on.

[mwooldri]

73. Except that it wasn't easy to get out of the GDR.

They had this "Iron Curtain", and a "Wall".

Guess what happened to both of them?

Mark.

[Nobody]

151. Ohio will need its own Stasi

Otherwise how would this be enforced?

Question for all Republican candidates this year: How do you reconcile the conservative ideal of less government with measures like this one?

[CTyankee]

158. Also Rumania under Ceacescu

Remember him? He pushed a coercive pro-natalist policy similr to what OH is suggesting. Forced exams of women, no abortion or contraception.

When the revolution came, he and his wife were lined up against a wall and shot. Within a few days abortion was made legal again, however there were a number of abandoned children left in orphanages. It was very sad.

[NotGivingUp]

31. What the heck is going on in this frigging country???!!!!!!!

[Viking12]

32. ...and it shall be illegal to travel to Nevada to gamble

assheads

[0007]

105. Are you kidding? Those are all heavy duty repukes that love

to fleece every bit of blood out of a human being throwing them away.

[Viking12]

139. Yes, I'm kidding.

[liberalhistorian]

111. Shhhh! Don't give those

idiots any more ideas, they go apeshit at the very mention of gambling, which is why OH is casino-free. I wouldn't put it past them to propose just such a law! Especially if Blackwell gets into the guv mansion.

[Blue_Tires]

119. believe it or not

a few years ago in Maryland (i used to live there), a few legislators were quietly kicking around the idea of how to legally 'discourage' seniors and other gambling addicts from taking the bus trip to Atlantic City/Delaware every weekend and burning up their paychecks...the powers that be were sick of seeing so much money leave the state...

[TechBear_Seattle]

33. It will be struck down immediately

The US constitution and judicial precedent is very clear: one state MAY NOT make it a crime for residents who go to another state to engage in practices that are in violation of the first state's laws.

What would be next? Utah making it a felony for Utah residents to gamble in Nevada?

[liberalhistorian]

114. With Alito and Roberts

on the court, along with that ultra-unconstitutional-idiot Scalia, who the hell knows anymore?

[grace0418]

36. There is absolutely no way they could enforce it.

First of all, it's not like we have passports to travel from state to state. We're free to go to other states to do whatever we want whenever we want (as long as it's legal). And we aren't required to report what we were doing while in another state. We're free to move from state to state as well.

Second of all, even if they managed to pass this ridiculous bill, and even if they could somehow find out that a woman had an abortion while out of state, they could never make that stand up in a court of law. All the woman would have to do is say, "Well, I had decided to relocate to (state that still has some sanity) but then I decided to move back to Ohio. So when I had the abortion, I wasn't an Ohio resident."

But thanks Tom Brinkman for wasting taxpayers money on your ridiculous and infuriating bill. God knows the state and the country has a surplus of money that we don't know how to spend. /scarcasm

[Brigid]

38. This is a ploy.

Pro-lifers in several states have been getting anti-choice legislation passed in order to provoke a court case that will eventually end up before the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v Wade.

[berni_mccoy]

40. Why don't they make it illegal to go to Nevada to engage in Prostitution..

OH YEAH, Becuase that would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

[0rganism]

41. Ah yes, another tentative step towards "The Handmaid's Tale"

Atwood and Orwell, the prophets of our times.

[cali]

53. Actually, EM Forester was far more prescient

than either of them, particularly Atwood. This is bullshit posturing, and like SD's abortion law isn't even the real threat to access to legal abortion. Not one woman will ever be prohibited from having an abortion under either of these laws.

[partylessinOhio]

42. Ohio is a regressive place to live.

I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end.

Republicans are out of control and the Democrats are doing nothing to throw them out.

We have not been organized since Gilligan was governor. I no longer have a party to represent my interests and protect me.

These Republicans need to get out of our private lives and out of our voting machines. Our corrupt Secretary of State now wants to move into the governor's mansion. I'm afraid that the sheep are falling for it.:argh:

[PegDAC]

121. I agree.

The worst thing Gilligan did was buy two Persian Rugs and a chandelier for his office using public funds.

[Hissyspit]

141. Welcome to DU!

:patriot:

:toast:

Hope you get out of Ohio someday! I think the place is a lost cause.

[stubtoe]

44. This is their "get out the vote issue" for '06.

Just like gay marriage was for '04 - get the far right voters out, who might otherwise stay home because they've grown increasingly disillusioned with the GOP's performance.

Pure manipulation.

[McCamy Taylor]

130. Bingo! The RNC is desperate. But this one can bite back.

[stubtoe]

167. Yep, and right in the butt.

[cyclezealot]

45. some of the national anti choice organizatons have been advocating this .

Seems it was Terry Randall's people. Want to set up a system of spies reporting who is pregnant. Pregnacy would be reported to county officials and from there on tracked until termination.

[verdalaven]

61. Terry Randall hates women.

The issue with him has never been abortion, but controlling women. I heard him on a talk show once talking about wanting to outlaw birth control pills, for both married and unmarried women. I would hate to be his daughter or wife. If I was his mother I'd slap him silly.

Now he wants us to spy on each other. What a jerk.

I will fight him and those who believe in what he stands for as long as I must, because I do have a daughter and she deserves the right to choose.

[MaraJade]

175. Randall Terry doesn't even pay child support for his own kids. . .

and he continues to have irresponsible relationships with women. . .

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220001

He's an idiot and a hypocrite. Not even worth bothering about. . .

[Iris]

91. why don't these people get a life.

There's got to be something fundamentally wrong with someone who is so obssessed with uterae.

[Clark2008]

97. How would they know?

What, are they going to come to my house and see if I have a "+" in a little windowed gadget? Most women don't even LOOK pregnant at the time they get an abortion because they usually get it between six and 12 weeks.

Geesch.

[AspenRose]

124. Are you serious???

!

Aren't these the same people who complain about New Orleans "welfare queens" having too many children and trying to persuade lower income women to take contraception/sterilization via cash incentives?!?

Oh yeah, those are brown and black people....never mind. :sarcasm:

[aintitfunny]

48. Scumbags, Playing at usurping

a woman's choice when not in their state. What a crock of shit. These and their ilk are the most immoral people on the planet.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Underground Railroad. That's where we're headed....AGAIN.

What do they plan on doing with all the women who have abortions? Notice it's a freakin' MAN who wrote that bill?

[Ilsa]

51. Can she go across state lines to go shopping? And then stop in

to a clinic for a spur of the moment abortion? :sarcasm:

This is whole line of thinking is ridiculous.

[smartvoter]

52. An unconstitutional prop to mobilize the neanderthals at election time. nt

[berni_mccoy]

54. WAIT A SEC! Has Ohio Passed a Law OUTLAWING ABORTION YET?

I mean, talk about hypocrtical!!!!

[DinahMoeHum]

56. If the Ohio GOP wants to commit suicide, fine by me.

n/t

[alfredo]

58. Pregnancy tests at the state line?

What a bunch of assholes.

[madmark]

59. unconstitutional independent of the 4th amendment penumbra argument

[madmark]

60. States cannot restrict travel, they cannot impose their laws in other

states, they do not own their citizens like chattel.

[antigone382]

67. My only question: how is it constitutional to ban minors from crossing...

...state lines for an abortion? They already do this in states that have parental notification laws.

I'm not doubting what you and several other DUers are saying, I'm just curious how one can be legal and the other isn't.

[madmark]

95. Perhaps by arguing that that act somehow actually occurs in the state;

Ie. the failure to notify did not happen in the subject state. The subject act is "failure to notify" rather than the abortion itself. Happy to let people that regularly litigate constitutional issues wade in.

[aden_nak]

62. Papers please, comrade.

[davidwparker]

63. that's way over reaching. Ohio would be arguing that it has jurisdiction

in some other state.

[sinkingfeeling]

64. Time to make it a felony to 'jack-off'. Maybe even charge those guys with

murder! I'm so sick of these nuts, who are mostly male, and their stupidity!.

[Peanutcat]

65. Is there anything in that bill

Forcing pregnant women to take better of themselves so the baby will be born healthy?

[The Wizard]

66. This is a good thing

Let them be seen as the radical lunatics they are. Let the Ohio Republicans be known as the Gestapo. They'll piss off enough people to lose even with Diebold's help.
Our President is a nut.

[savemefromdumbya]

71. should be catching terrorists not pregnant women

so the taxpayers are going to pay for this futile and dumb thing

[Imalittleteapot]

72. No Ohio fundie sperm to infect the rest of the nation.

Make it a felony for men to cross state line for sex. No sex if your out of state at college, on vacation, on business - whatever. Keep your sperm home.

[KansDem]

75. So Ohio women are "wards of the state?" "Prisoners," so to speak?

I wonder how this would be enforced?

[KyuzoGator]

77. You'd think that a State Congressman would have read the U.S. Constitution

Perhaps not.

[derby378]

78. Tom Brinkman should be on every DUer's "shit list" forever

God help him if he tries to run for the US House, let alone the US Senate. We must bury his campaign and send him home crying for his mama.

[debbierlus]

79. I bet it will make the anti-abortion legislation much less popular

Rich, hypocritical Republican women who figure that they will just go elsewhere if THEY need an abortion will be made into felons. I bet a host of women (and men) think that is what they would do, if they were put in a situation with an unwanted pregnancy.

A rare case of an equal discrimination law.

[InsultComicDog]

134. good point

[Vinca]

80. These people are truly out of their minds.

Suggestion to all Ohio women forced to bear children: drop 'em off at Tom Brinkman's house.

[DanCa]

82. There trying to do this with stem cell research.

There's a law in Kansas that says if I go get treatment to cure my PD I couldn't reenter the state. Nice country were living in huh?

[flyarm]

83. total bullshit..how could they do that?? what if my mom lived over the

state border?? so i couldn't go stay with my mom and get an abortion??..total bullshit..just let them try!

so they would know if women get on a plane and go on vacation to a state that allows abortion..let em prove it!

just think.. states can set up places for women to go to ..like people fly in for an abortion ..like women today fly into cities for a spa..fck em...its cheep to fly today..

what if you live on a state line??

what freaking jerks these people are...and they think they will stop women..bullshit!

fly

[cornermouse]

84. Any woman with half a brain should be looking for a job in

another state by now. And I ain't jokin'.

[Bluebear]

85. Unconstitutional, but the Bible is replacing the Constitution.

Slowly but surely.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

87. Can the babies be dropped of at Brinkman's home instead?

[Hekate]

88. It's what I've been trying to tell people -- they want to roll back Time

It's what I've been trying to tell people -- they want to roll back the clock to the days when this REALLY WAS the way things were.

It's no good to say they can't do it, or that the results will be illegal -- they can and they will, and if they get their way, the results WILL BE LEGAL. That's the meaning of passing LAWS -- it makes some things LEGAL and other things ILLEGAL.

The anti-choice crowd is pushing the envelope as hard and as fast as they can, in the hopes that something, anything, will pass the test at the SCOTUS.

And they want it ALL. Abortion and contraception. Condoms will no doubt remain available, but you know what? Men have to consent for condoms to be used. Everything having to do with women being able to control their own bodies is up for grabs.

When Sigmund Freud famously said, "Anatomy is destiny," he wasn't being sexist. He was absolutely right, because a hundred years ago women had babies and that was the story of their lives.

A woman could "choose" celibacy and refuse marriage, but few other economically viable options were available for "old maids." And rape? It happened then, just as it happens now, and wombs can be fertilized just as easily that way. (My mother's genealogy research revealed that one of my great-grandmothers divorced her husband, went to work in a rich man's household, and ended up dead of an abortion. Mom is pretty damn sure she was sexually abused by her employer. Anatomy is destiny.)

Hekate
:argh:

[recoveringdittohed]

92. In 2003 Brinkman voted against ratifying the 14th Amendment

Why am I not surprised by whose bill this is. Brinkman is such a strong opponent of Federal government powers that in 2003 he was the only vote against Ohio ratifying the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/03/20/loc_brinkman20.html

[AspenRose]

128. Unbelievable.

In your link, he's quoted as saying: "Most importantly to me, 45 million babies have been murdered since judges forced Roe v. Wade down the throats of citizens."

So his remedy is to force a law keeping women from crossing a state line to get an abortion down the throats of citizens?!

Unbelievable.

This is ALL about Roe v. Wade.

[benddem]

93. Brinkman's contact info

77 S. High St
11th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215-6111
Telephone: [phone]
Fax : [phone]
Email Address: [e-mail]
I wrote and asked if women would be urine tested at the state lines?
In Nicaragua they have forensic gynecologists to check if a woman has an abortion. Ohio is next. So glad I don't live there.

[McCamy Taylor]

132. Brinkman gets a few votes, Ohio pays big $$$ in court costs defending .

this stupid law when it is appealed (and struck down) This should outrage conservatives as well as liberals.

Here is what I emailed to the Neo-con idiot.

"Your political ploy is transparent. When you propose a law that is blatantly unConstitutional, there can be only one reason---you hope to score some cheap quick political brownie points. Cheap to you, but expensive to tax payers who will be forced to pay legal expenses defending this great white whale in federal court.

"So, you are one of those tax and spend Neo-con GOPers? I will be sure to pass the news around."

[benddem]

94. whatever happened to

the party of small govt.?

[truebrit71]

96. What fucking century is this, and when did the Taliban take over?

Unbelievable....simply unbelievable...

[DemGirl7]

99. This is the reason why I don't like anti-choicers

These people are are sick, and they have some problems. Not only are they going to make it illegal for women to have an abortion within the state, They want it to be illegal for women to go to other states to get an abortion which is unconstitutional. But the sad thing is that they have their own right-wing judges in their pockets who will back them up at level if someone dares challenges the law.

[Geek_Girl]

100. Did this Law get passed in Ohio?

Or is this just some holy roller trying to drum up support from the dim witted fundies.

[sojourner]

101. what th hell? they gonna preg test evry woman at the state line?

:wtf:

[LeftyMom]

102. My son's 13 year old half sister lives in Ohio.

If she gets knocked up (and since I doubt her fundie mother- who was putting out at 12 by the way- has explained the facts, I'm halfway expecting to get that call in a few years) I'll drive her wherever she needs to go myself. We can deal with the short term consequences of going to court a lot easier than the long term consequences of a teenager having a baby.

[gollygee]

106. They truly believe the state should own a woman's body

A woman's body is quickly becoming property of the state

[Sarah Ibarruri]

107. Write the asshole and disrespect him.

There's nothing right wing extremist fascist sociopaths hate more than being disrespected. Then go out and speak to the media against him. I've done both.

[geniph]

108. Oh, yeah, that's going to work.

NOT. Um, hello, they tried for years to make it illegal to go to Nevada to get a divorce, gamble, visit a prostitute, etc. All they did is waste their time and make Las Vegas wealthy. You cannot, by law, make it against the law for a citizen of the United States to go to another state and take part in a legal activity of the second state.

Besides, how asinine. The only way they could even KNOW is if the second state provided them records of residents of the first state who'd had abortions. Yeah, that's gonna happen. Right.

Before Roe v. Wade, a number of states had legal abortions. People from the backwards states came to them to get abortions. This was a matter of great agitation to the backwards states, but they were never able to make it illegal to do so. Ditto the quickie marriages of Nevada, Maryland, and a few other states, and Nevada's quickie divorces; many people over the years have tried to make those illegal for residents of other states. It hasn't worked.

Can these fools even read? Are they just grandstanding for the Talibornagain? Have they no substantive legislation to work on, actual problems to deal with?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

109. It definitely won't work. The point tho is that they want a Nazi state

Evangelical Christians are a sick bunch. Excuse me for saying so, but I can sit here and list an endless array of Christian groups that agree with this kind of crap.

[salin]

112. pathetic political ploy for the elections.

The GOP in Ohio look horrible right now. The GOP gov can't top 20% in the approval ratings. I would bet that in light of Ney, Noe and many other problems that fear abounds. They think that far-right social conservativism worked for them (if you ignore all of the reports of voting irregularties, and have amnesia that all of the Pay to Play stories broke AFTER that election - thus missing a big part of the current equation) - that if they throw this up there as "what we stand for" (ugh!) that they will mobilize enough voters to counter the clear distaste for GOP elected officials. They don't have to get the bill to vote - just get enough media to get the social conservatives to believe that this is what they stand for... However it is a very foolish, and dangerous strategy. Foolish in that it won't be enough to stem the bleeding in voter confidence in the Ohio GOP, and dangerous - that some fools who do currently hold sway in the leg and gov house might actually push to get it passed rather that have it as a symbolic rallying point - before the elections can kill it off for good.

[liberalhistorian]

113. We need to nominate

Brinkman for top conservative idiot of the week! And believe me, in OH, that's quite an accomplishment considering the plethora of conservative idiots overrunning the state.

[ProudDad]

117. Even in the current RW SCOTUS

this one wouldn't pass the smell test.

[emald]

118. Seems to me like the taliban has relocated to Ohio

A quick question: since even coordinating an abortion would be illegal isn't there room to criminalize the man who helped get her pregnant? And then the steps are small to make sex against the law because it may produce a child that might get aborted, in another state.

[LynnTheDem]

148. The American Talibornagain.

The original Taliban would support this law 100%.

[PegDAC]

120. It would be impossible to enforce.

A woman from Ohio goes on a vacation to, say, New York. While she's there, she has a "miscarriage". Who's to prove otherwiae?

:eyes: :wtf:

[lonestarnot]

122. EAT SHIT OHIO!

[theHandpuppet]

129. I swear, there's something in the water in Cincinnati

Taft, Blackwell, Schmidt, Brinkman... Cincy seems to have contributed more than its share of fascist nutcases to the political arena. What I can't figure out is why people keep voting for reps who are obviously bigoted, insane and/or inept. What the hell is wrong in Cincinnati??? Is this the best they can do?

[lonestarnot]

166. Hell if I know! But I've never seen anything like it, with the exception

of Wyoming and South Dakota close to the fringes.

[PegDAC]

171. I think

it's the fumes from Proctor and Gamble!

[The Animator]

123. OK so who here wants to help smuggle women out of Ohio?

If we can handle the coordination of the huge flower delivery for Helen Thomas, I'm sure DU has a few brave souls on the Ohio border willing to help these women out.

[Nobody]

152. We should also apply for jobs to be vagina border police

And every test we perform turns out negative on every woman who comes to us. Nothing we would tell her would be news anyway.

[NoodleyAppendage]

125. Ohio Repukes = HANDMAIDEN'S TALE nightmare.

Maybe it's just me but this law sounds like it renders Ohio women the property of the state.

...and people wonder why there's a backlash against religion in this country. Maybe it's because the fuckers are FASCISTS and fundamental Xtianity is antithetical to democracy.

J

[theHandpuppet]

126. Brinkman also hates gays

He's been a busy little bee! While the state goes down the tubes, Tom Brinkman spends all his time trying to pass legislation to oppress women and gays:

Filed suit against Miami U. (Oh) to eliminate domestic partner benefits:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5071325
http://www.ccv.org/CCV_Perspective-20051206.htm
Co-sponsored a bill to ban gay adoption and foster parenting:
http://pandagon.net/2006/02/10/gay-foster-adoptive-parents-face-blacklisting-by-ohio/
http://ohiopoliticaljournal.blogspot.com/2006/02/hb-515-to-ban-gay-adoption-in-ohio-but.html

Brinkman's lawyer, David Langdon, authored Ohio's "marriage amendment", one of (if not THE) most repressive, anti-gay legislation of any state in the nation.


But of course Brinkman love guns, too:
http://www.gunowners.org/a051805.htm
http://www.ogrc.org/pages/555793/index.htm

[nicknameless]

127. Shades of old Romania.

Abortion outlawed. Unwanted infants were turned over to orphanages.

What kind of sick society, with unwanted, unloved children, do these thugs want?
Is the oppression of women that important to them?

[nonconformist]

131. K & R. UNCONSTITUTIONAL. nt

[aquart]

133. We need to put those good ol' boys' pictures on posters.

Wanted posters. For the murder and false imprisonment of pregnant women.

[Selteri]

135. Wow, this is wrong on so many levels.

I don't see it being enforcable, let alone a reasonable law since it denies them the right to leave. What are we going to do, have a fetus montioring station at the state boarders and airports, trains and such with ultrasound to check to make sure no woman leaves without being marked that should she not be carrying while comming back that she'll be arrested?

I mean, c;'mon, not enforcable, not legal, the list goes on.

[VTMechEngr]

136. There is an editorial letter to the Paper! And its pro-bill.

Ohio is way beyond hope.

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060321/OPINION03/603210321/1014

[Voltaire99]

140. A little primer for the Democratic Party on Ohio...

"What Was the Matter with Ohio?: Unions and Evangelicals in the Rust Belt," by James Straub.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0106straub.htm

A brilliant socio-political analysis, you'll remember it the next time a quisling Democrat tells you to be more "respectful" of religion in our growing theocracy.

[sweetheart]

143. Prison states

To escape your barbed wire walls,
people risking death to be free,
to avoid your patriarchal gall,
lock us up when we disagree.

The same is true now with credit cards,
you can't use them abroad openly,
without asking master bank to turn off defaud,
all foreign nations so terribly risky...

And soon they'll print it on our backs,
ressidency change permits, a tax license just to be,
crank up a whopping property tax,
and nobody under the evil empire budget is free.

Corporate freedom war for a cheap wages worker,
tied, bound and tagged, entombed they desert her.

[fudge stripe cookays]

145. Plan on turning us into El Salvador, eh fellas?

Did anybody hear Jack Hitt on Rachel's show about 2 weeks ago?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/09/america/web.0409abortioncomplete.php

This article, "Pro-Life Nation" details HOW repressive the policies in El Salvador are. Scariest fucking commentary I've ever heard. If any woman comes to the hospital beeding profusely, and shows any signs of scraping or similar, the police are called. The woman is arrested.

If during any gynecological exam, any older signs of possible abortion appear, the police are called. The woman is arrested.

They have women at the hospitals in comas from after-effects, and have them handcuffed to their beds because they are under house arrest.

There are women with children and husbands who are in prison serving 30 year prison sentences. For abortion.

What is the right-wing response here at home? "El Salvador is an inspiration."

As I listened to this guy, I felt myself getting ready to vomit right in the car. I felt so sick inside. If you read the article, they were remarkably like us up until 92-93. Then the right-wingers took over. Add to that a new Opus Dei archbishop, and all this shit was passed and legal by 1998.

Still think it can't happen here?

I'm so glad my reproductive years are winding down. But we have chosen not to have children. r got himself fixed. I can't help but ask myself. What if I am raped? Will I be forced to bear the child of a rapist even though my husband and I have chosen to remain childfree? I have MS. I have no desire to deal with a pregnancy in my condition. I think I'll be getting my tubes tied as a safety measure as soon as I get through my major deadlines at work.

GODDAMN these people for their God-complex.

[Nobody]

150. Ectopic prgnancies in El Salvador

I read an indepth article about this very thing. If you have an ectopic pregnancy, they have to wait until the embryo dies on its own or the fallopian tube ruptures.

There is NO possibility of a healthy baby being born. These people are placing women at unnecessary risk. They don't care about women and never have.

By the way, to enforce this bill in Ohio, you'll have to hire a KGB-sized police force just to verify pregnancies and regulate travel. Aren't conservatives the party of LESS government?

[fudge stripe cookays]

163. Yep, they talked about that too.

Instead of doing a very minor procedure, they have to wait until the fetus dies or the fallopian tube bursts, and hope they get in there in time to save the woman, meaning involved, scary, invasive surgery.

If she dies...oh well. At least they waited until they KNEW the fetus wouldn't make it.

And they actually have a forensic staff in El Salvador JUST to enforce the abortion laws. They take tissue samples and everything. Just to make sure women aren't doing anything they shouldn't.

Welcome to Gilead, ladies.

[Nobody]

170. In Gilead, a fetus that isn't going to make it is worth more

than an already born woman.

Oops, I mean in El Salvador. That's the most offensive part of that whole story. As far as I am aware, NO ectopic pregnancy has EVER been brought to term successfully. And by successfully, that means a healthy mother and healthy baby.

I wonder what the rate of death caused by childbirth is.

[Oversea Visitor]

146. Good GOD

You guys losing fight here bad..... things going backward fast
When STONE AGE reach

[shadowknows69]

154. Soon after the nuclear war OV

the rest of the world will probably be joining us.

[Oversea Visitor]

157. No thank you

You going down alone
We like the peace we have

Only one outcome possible
US lose
See all we need to do is boycott
1) US dollars ....... FUBAR happen
2) Boycott US companies
3) Boycott US products and brands
4) Cut US off from rest of world

IF nuke war
Of course all suffer but we the world will still has places where nuke effect no so bad
But US too small no where to escape.
And we can help each other to recover
As for US well we see if others nice enough to forgive such big crime
Or just turn US into big prison camp and let everyone there enjoy themself
to how they want to live.

US strong powerful but just one single stick
Easy to break
World when piss and stand together unbreakable too many sticks :rofl:

[LynnTheDem]

147. Time to round up all rightwingnuts.

And send them on a holiday to Camp Gitmo.

Enough of this fucking bullshit.

[depakid]

155. Yet another to add to my running Ohio talley

I swear, I'm going to start actually counting these bizarre stories one day and doing a state by state comparison. Just by my rough talley, Ohio's well ahead of the pack, followed by Texas and Florida.

I really do wonder how Ohio got this way. I mean, this used to be a state represented by John Glen and Howard Metzenbaum. What happened?

[Gman]

161. So you cross the border with the intent of going shopping

and have an abortion while you're there.

[jmowreader]

162. Could they use the MA/NH sales tax thing as precedent?

This is kinda far-fetched so bear with me:

People from Massachusetts used to like to shop in New Hampshire because MA has a sales tax and NH does not.

The MA tax authority used to go to NH shopping areas and record the MA license plate numbers so as to send tax bills to the cross-border shoppers. Now NH collects MA tax from MA shoppers and forwards it to the MA tax authority.

Like I said, kinda far-fetched, but attorneys have pulled even worse things out to use as precedent when they're trying something stupid.

[ProfessorGAC]

164. Doesn't This Violate The Constitution's Commerce Clause?

I thought only the federal gov't had the power to impose laws that crossed state lines.
The Professor

[klook]

168. So if you live in a dry county

You can't drink a beer when you go to your in-laws' house for Thanksgiving? Same logic applies.

[MaraJade]

173. This is ridiculous.

Do they stop MEN from crossing the border to avoid paying child support? Do they stop
MEN from leaving Ohio to use the brothels in Nevada.

Do they even STOP MEN from using the services of prostitues in Ohio?

Take it to the court people. If Ohio doesn't stop MEN from crossing the border
as well, then the law is unconstitutional. You cannot discriminate. Hell, stop
men from crossing the border to see other women as well. Men should be stopped from
going from Ohio to Nevada to use the legal brothels there.

Are there no female lawmakers in Ohio to proffer such bills. Yes. Make it illegal
for men to go to Nevada. There are brothels there. Men shouldn't use brothels.

Sheesh. What are they going to do? Have pregnancy checks in Ohio or something.

Ridiculous.

[hopeisaplace]

177. Ohio road sign as you exit. "pee in this cup before you leave"?

and your points are good ones :) but
"logic and the law" (I think they're mutually exclusive now??)

Insanity isn't it!

[hopeisaplace]

176. Ok. that does it. I thought I read all the crazy shit til I read this shit

That. Is. Nuts. Loopy beyond words. Over the top insanity.