Are the Ret. Gens Insubbordinate?--WJ now

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1. an op ed in WashTimes wants Military Code to be invoked.

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2. the last name is Laird-in Wash Post.

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3. good, a caller is talking of troops dying because of incompetance.

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4. I agree, this is where the focus should be-the dying and wounded TROOPS

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5. good, another caller talking of all the dying going on over there.

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6. 'a case for accountability"--is an article in WPost -says we need a

fresh start.

[Cassandra]

13. Written by Tony Blankley

The other Fat Tony in the bad suits. Compares this criticism with the criticism of the don't-ask-don't-tell policy.

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7. They are retired members of the armed forces

Private Citizens free to exercise their constitutional right to comment on the actions of their government. The active duty military is not a democracy and insubordination is punishable under the uniform code of military justice. RETIREES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE UCMJ.

And one would think that the retired Generals could just possibly, if one thinks about for a nanosecond, the experts in their field.

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8. I did not think they would be, but seems article does (as far as I can

tell).

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9. It is the question up on the screen on c-span also.

[cantstandbush]

10. Why do people keep saying the generals should have spoken up sooner?

Most of the did behind closed doors but were roundly ignored by the Bushbots. Don't people know current events let alone history? Remember Powell spoke up against the invasion but was labeled by Cheney and Rummy as not a team player and marginalized.

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12. seems not.

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11. Mil. Personal should be loyal to the Constitution-not the person.

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14. ROGER THAT TEAMMATE

I (state your name) do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic that I will bear truth faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the orders of the president and the ordres of the officers appointed over me according to regulations and the uniform code of military justice so help me God.

Pretty succinct and to the point. Support the constitution. Obey the President ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS.

Above does not apply to retirees, however I have yet to get out of the habit.

[bdamomma]

15. NO they are not. Speak up Generals.

these Generals have more smarts than those thugs who occupy the WH.

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16. Tim Russert said this morning on Imus..

...that there's a civil war going on in the Pentagon. The generals are trying to take over the war.

[Zynx]

17. As much as I hate Rumsfled, civillian control must be maintained.

Otherwise we are very close to military dictatorship.

[DemonFighterLives]

19. But but, this civilian leadership is way worse than the military men

They are leading our military astray.

[Zynx]

21. In the long run the damage done to our system of governance would

be far worse than this current war.

[DemonFighterLives]

18. I seem to remember somewhere in the military reading that

the military does not have to follow illegitamate leaders. I would think that a person who became Commander In Chief by a stolen election(a silent coup) would not have to be obeyed. It is like a Captain giving an unlawful order to kill innocents. It doesn't have to be followed at least by law. Life could be hell for ya, but the law would be on your side.
These Generals don't have to kiss up to this traitorous bastard in my mind.
:freak:

[Octafish]

20. They are PRIVATE CITIZENS!

As such, they can say whatever the fuck they want.

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