Smile! You just might be on N.Y. City police cameras

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NEW YORK - Along a gritty stretch of street in Brooklyn, police this month quietly launched an ambitious plan to combat street crime and terrorism.

But instead of officers on the beat, wireless video cameras peer down from lamp posts about 30 feet above the sidewalk.

They were the first installment of a program to place 500 cameras throughout the city at a cost of $9 million. Hundreds of additional cameras could follow if the city receives $81.5 million in federal grants it has requested to safeguard lower Manhattan and parts of midtown with a surveillance "ring of steel" modeled after security measures in London's financial district.

Officials of the New York Police Department - which considers itself at the forefront of counterterrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks - claim the money would be well spent, especially since the revelations that al-Qaida members once cased the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060417/1073825.asp

http://www.mediaeater.com/cameras/locations.html

[Xenotime]

1. This is a good first step...

This has worked in other countries...no reason why it can't in NYC

[Karenca]

12. No, it's actually very bad.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Good step? Fascism, Big Brother anyone???? eom

[YellowRubberDuckie]

16. BS...There is no expectation of privacy in public.

You don't freak about being on camera in a mall...why are you freaking out about it on the street? :eyes: It's the same thing. Cameras are all over London. :shrug: They have been using them for years with success.
Duckie

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. How do you know how I feel about cameras in malls? I don't like them

either. As to London? Isn't that where the book Ninety-Eight Four was born?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

20. I was making a point....

most people think cameras in malls are a great idea. I wasn't literally talking about YOU.
Duckie

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Do most people? Has there been a survey done? Where every move that

you make can be surveillanced? I realize it is in a public place, but I still find it creepy. You see, like a knife, video cameras can be used for good or bad. I don't trust the government of NYC (and I am a NYC girl bred and born) or of this country to use it totally for good.

[Karenca]

30. Don't you find it strange that we New Yorkers find this move to be an

invasion of our privacy,
and yet
those are so vehemently disagreeing with us-- and telling us what's best for our own good
are from the other side of the country?

Weird.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. Karenca, you verbalzed what I didn't want to say outright. I noticed the

same exact thing. I live in Westchester Co. now, but I had to mention my Very Strong NYC roots because of that.

[WinkyDink]

2. Too bad no $$ to homeless shelters...or housing.

Must now go learn new Big Brother anthem. The old USSR one is available, I've heard.

[cali]

9. They're just following

London's example. In fact, all of England is lousy with 'em.

[tom_paine]

14. Try this on for size...

“Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!”

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/17/katrina-song

You can almost see the hammers and sickles and the groan of peasants beneath Tyrants' heel, can't you?

Just another big sign that Imperial Amerika is just another warmed over Soviet Union now.

[Karenca]

3. i live in lower manhattan.

this is too weird.

[RB TexLa]

4. And the difference between being seen by a NYPD officer, the police camera

or someone's personal camera is? :shrug:

Sure hope they don't help catch someone's murderer or rapist :sarcasm:



:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[WinkyDink]

5. Well, I'd say the difference between a friend's reading your e-mails and

the NSA's doing so.

[RB TexLa]

6. I guess if you are leaving your e-mails printed and on a public street

[Karenca]

7. I wish they would mind their own business and stay out of NYC

Like when they brought their damn RNC here 2 years ago.
We were so pissed.

Terror terror terror, that's what these assholes rant about all the time.
I live in walking distance from the WTT's.....9/11.....terror terror ...it's not working......We're still all liberal here.
Fuck you B*sh.

[RB TexLa]

8. You wish the New York City police department would stay out of

NYC? :shrug:

[Karenca]

10. I never said that. ......Read ........nt

[RB TexLa]

11. ok

[YellowRubberDuckie]

17. So, it automatically is the republicans in washington's fault...

just because you don't like it!? That's just silly. I see their point. There is a lot of crime in NYC. More power to them trying to do something about it.
Duckie

[Karenca]

19. "There is a lot of crime in NYC" .... NO

I'm amazed at people who think that New York is one the most dangerous spots on earth, On a per-capita basis, NYC has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. And, New York is safer than many smaller cities,

So....t's odd, don't you think?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

21. I've been there...

I felt safe...then I saw three people mugged. In one day. That's the kind of crime that cameras are going to stop. And I think most people are going to like it.
Duckie

[Karenca]

22. I live here

And let me tell you,
I feel a hell of alot safer walking the streets in the evening here, than when I lived in the suburbs. It's always lit and filled with people.

I had to move myself and my kids out of the suburbs, no lights, and my next door neighbors belonged to a gang..the Bloods.

I needed to keep that damn Slomin's alarm system on all the time.

So, you saw something...it's still the safest city.....and no, most people here do not like the idea at all.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

23. I've heard both negative and positive from the people I know from there.

And I did feel safer there in the dark than I do here in the dark.
Duckie

[Karenca]

24. probably because it's so crowded here

and you really don't know people that you passs by on the street, like in a small towm...so you get this very self-protective feeling.

But NYC...MANHATTAN is just about the safest city in the US.
Maybe your friends were from the boroughs?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

26. The ones I met while I was there are from everywhere.

Brooklyn, Bronx, MANHATTAN.

[RB TexLa]

27. losing battle Duckie

I think she would just tell people in Bushwick and Glendale that if they think there are criminals around they should just "let your doorman know, and they'll be gone by the time you return from walking your dogs."

[RB TexLa]

25. And just how often do you go to Starr St?

You spend a lot of time at Maria Hernedez park?

Every city, and most towns have areas that have crime.

[Karenca]

29. MARIA "HERNANDEZ" PARK

If you read what I wrote, that's what I said 'The Boroughs".
FYI, I was brought up in the Bronx....you don't know what you're talking about.

[porphyrian]

15. Chicago's had cameras for a while.

I'm not sure they've done much to prevent crime, but they've helped cops bust more people.