Ok, what is the real deal w/Cindy Sheehan and her son's headstone?

[Maine-ah]

Just wonderin'. The freepers on the local boards are all over this, and I was hoping some one would loan me a real clue here.

[Mr.Green93]

1. It is

none of our business.

[Jigarotta]

6. seconded.

It it personal family grief and we have no business to decide what 'ritual' is right for them.

[Maine-ah]

7. actually, I think she made her personal family grief

pretty public at this point.

And I'm not saying we should decide what 'ritual' is right for them.

I would just like to know what the deal is.

[wtmusic]

10. Curious -- why do you want to know?

and why does it have anything to do with anyone outside of that family?

[Maine-ah]

11. read my op

[wtmusic]

13. Still not a clue

why you give a crap what freepers think, or why you think it's any of your business.

[Maine-ah]

15. It's on a local board

in which I participate a lot, if not more than here. I generally stand up for people like CH, and I needed to know, what is so difficult about that?

[Jigarotta]

29. why do you need to know?

I find that difficult to comprehend.

If you had a family member to bury, should you be subject to 'want to knowers'?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

41. So what? Do you have to know everything? Isn't she entitled....

...to some degree of privacy? Hasn't she earned that?

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. So stand up for her by telling them it is none of their business

Stand up for her by refusing to respond or participate in their personal attacks against her.

Stand up for her by participating in a peace rally in your area.

Stand up for her by working to stop this insane war.

Stand up for her by supporting our troops and working to get them home alive.

I honestly believe that is what Cindy would want. That is, if you really want to stand up for her.

[Jigarotta]

23. what deal?

the only deal you have is either believing Cindy speaks from her heart or not.
yes, it has become public, but private things should remain private - that has got nothing to do with what you think you should know in that room.

[wtmusic]

8. thirded.

and no business of any RW "pundits" either.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. Third

Why does it matter? They are just distracting you from the conversations we SHOULD be having about the war.

[LA lady]

2. Dad's doing it

Patrick Sheehan said Monday that the small plaque currently marking Casey's grave is something all graves receive before a headstone is constructed. Casey's headstone is in the works, he said, and is being built by a local monument company.

[Maine-ah]

12. thankyou LA

that explains it to me perfectly.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

46. Do you feel better now that you know there was nothing to it?

[Maine-ah]

48. why is everybody so pissed off that I want to know something?

what the fuck is going on around here?

and yes, I feel fucking better now that I have an answer. What was so stinking difficult about that?


It's like getting answers from Snotty Scotty....nothing to see here move along......we're still investigating....blah blah blah blah....

oh mods, delete this freaking thread already!!!

[Kerrytravelers]

3. What in the world are they talking about.

Paraphrase please, I really don't feel like clicking on "that site."

[Maine-ah]

5. oh, it's a local thing not "that site"

example:

"It's really pathetic that there is no even a marker on her son's grave. A marker that is free! Oh, go to the website and see the pictures. Pretty disgusting."

[0007]

4. Idiot freepers being mean and putting their nose in other

people's business as always.

Read more about it here; http://www.indepundit.com/archive2/2006/03/cindy_revisited.html

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. What's the real deal with you butting your nose into it?

[Maine-ah]

14. excuse me?

I was reading a local msg board, who were slaming her, and I wanted to know the real deal, and thought I'd ask here, where I would have expected to get some real and thoughtful answers instead of people attacking me for asking.

wtf is up with that. If I wanted to be given shit for asking, I would have just asked the freeptards on the boards.

for cripes sake, I ask something to get informed, and this is what I get?

AND, if you're questioning my motives here on DU, I have been here for quite some time, and fully support and donate here. In which case I shouldn't even have to say that. I don't see a friggin' star by your name and your little 75 posts either.


edited to remove many 4 letter words.

[the observationist]

16. I feel your pain! n/t

[GrumpyGreg]

17. Good for you----you just asked a question !

[titoresque]

19. It's the "I'm superior" syndrome

I've been hit upside the head with it quite a few times here...and elsewhere.
Sorry you were attacked. Glad someone answered your question.
Hope you have a good eve.

[the observationist]

20. I just saw that it was edited for the four letter words.

It was much more effective with the original language. You had every right to express yourself considering some of the comments that were made.

[Maine-ah]

24. LOL, Thankyou

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

26. Maine-ah, you did exactly the right thing

This is the place to get correct information which you can then use when freepers challenge you. I read your OP when it was first up; since I didn't know the answer, I waited to come back here to see what had been found out. Now that we have the information, thanks to the Lady from LA, I might be able to add just a bit:

At least at one time, military personnell could get a headstone free from the government. But this is not a requirement, and yes, it must be requested by a family member. Many times families prefer to get their own headstone for the grave-I've seen many fine tributes to the heroism of fallen soldiers, including full details of how they lost their lives serving their country, etc. If you get one of the military headstones, it is plain, white, with name, rank, and dates, plus a symbol if you wish (including scientific symbols for use by atheists), and sometimes on older stones the regiment served. If a family wants something more elaborate, as described, then they buy their own. I think in this case that is what happened. Also recall that the family has literally been torn asunder by this; that could be another reason for the delay in getting the stone.

[Maine-ah]

31. another lovely informed post!

Thankyou ayes, I appreciate the information. Especially the military personnell, that was something that was touched on that I had no clue about.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

34. I found out about this when I started doing genealogical research

some 25 + years ago. I found that if a Civil War veteran had never had a tombstone, a descendant could request one for them. I have visited many national cemeteries, and have read the headstones there-even in national cemeteries, there are private headstones found sometimes amongst the others. I'm talking about local national cemeteries, btw, not Arlington. There are many national cemeteries around, many started during the Civil War.

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. Why can't you understand it is NONE of our business???

I just spent 4 days with Cindy. I sat and talked with her, ate with her and listened to speakers and musicians with her. I had read all this crap about Casey's grave marker the day before I left to go see her. I had plenty of chances to ask her about it. Yet not once did it occur to me to ask her why she didn't have a marker on his grave. IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

If I were her, I would NEVER put a marker on his grave for fear that the idiot war mongers would vandalize his grave. So maybe there is a good reason there is no marker. Did that ever occur to you?

[Booster]

58. I see nothing wrong in you wanting to know anything about

someone who has become, as was her wish, a totally public figure. These kind of questions usually have a very simple answer, and I think a whole lot of people have over-reacted and should give you some slack. Now, flame away, folks.

[China_cat]

18. How do you counter the freeper's bullshit

if you don't know what they're talking about? And I'm not talking about the ones on their own board. I'm talking about the ones you have to work with, be related to, run into every day.

And where else are you going to have a hope of finding out what's really going on than here?

[Maine-ah]

21. hahahahahahahha

I don't have to explain any of this. If no one other than maybe 2 other posters want to give me a straight answer and just attack me, then what is the sense of asking questions. I am not affraid to admit that I am ignorant about some facts on certain subjects.

I've got it, I guess we should all give up fighting for anybody. No more fighting for what we feel to be right in this world. We'll just let all the Bushbots over run the place. What ever.....

[wtmusic]

25. Fine. Help make an issue out of a non-issue.

Here's how you counter their bullshit: it's none of your business. All you need to say.

[Maine-ah]

27. I wasn't asking what should I say.

I was asking wtf it was about.

[Renew Deal]

33. Yet that's exactly what you (and others) did.

Thanks for the unnecessary flamefest. :thumbsup:

[wtmusic]

47. Two different issues

1) why Cindy's son did/didn't get the headstone he did/didn't deserve.
2) WTF it's anyone's business but their family's.

I'm arguing the second one, and it's a valid discussion. The first one isn't.

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. They are just trying to divert the conversation

and it sounds like they are winning.

You want to know what Cindy talked to us about in Crawford? IRAN!

So the next time some idiot freeper asks you a stupid question like how come there is no marker on Casey's grave, ask him how many grave markers does he think we will need after we nuke Iran. Divert the conversation back to a topic that IS our business.

[brook]

22. Speaking of butting in...

mind telling us what's your problem with the question?

[Oversea Visitor]

38. Put your head

back into sand maybe better.

Simple question for info no need rude respond.

[undeterred]

28. ...

:popcorn:

[Renew Deal]

30. WTF is wrong with some people here?

It was a simple question that eventually got a simple answer. What was so hard about that? This is not one of DU's best threads.

[Maine-ah]

32. I have to 2nd that

[sandnsea]

39. It is a common freeper tactic

To post a short "question" that is really designed to get DUers fighting amongst themselves. I've seen it a hundred times if I've seen it once.

I am NOT saying that's what this post is because it just doesn't have that "feigning innocence" about it. BUT I also think anybody who posts a question like this ought to expect that people will respond with "here we go again" and try to do what they can to assure people it's not what is happening.

imho

[Maine-ah]

42. I'm not quite sure exactly what your saying.

are you saying that I posted this question to piss people off?

here's the link to the original thread on the local message board


http://www.villagesoup.com/commletters/Letters.cfm?topicid=7387

[sandnsea]

56. I specifically said

I did NOT think you did that.

But since you have 1800 posts, it would seem to me that you've likely seen hit and run posts, and they usually start with an "innocent question". An "innocent question" that's been answered 100 times, like the headstone question has. And, it would seem to me, knowing that hit and run's are a freeper tactic, that you wouldn't have been surprised when people questioned you, that's all.

[AlCzervik]

35. Um headstones take some time, my mothers took over a year.

also it is very possible his would be vandalized.

[Maine-ah]

36. see, that's what I was thinking the whole vandalism

but I didn't know that it took a long time to get a headstone.

[AlCzervik]

37. in my experience it did, others may have had faster service.

[Alamom]

44. Thanks for the question Maine and the posters who provided

information. I've had the question thrown at me a couple of times and I always say, it's their business. (it does make me furious for anyone to put down CS regarding anything about her son)
I knew it takes a year or so for a family provided stone, especially if you have something other than the ordinary made, due to the death of my dad. A vet of WWII, it also took about a year for the flat footstone with his military record to arrive and be put down.

[Maine-ah]

45. thanks Alamom

for another usefull, and thought out response.

[elehhhhna]

50. IT IS PROOF THAT SHE IS A PHONY, obviously !!11!1!11

sarc/off

[Maine-ah]

51. I have asked a mod to delete this thread

it is not in the spirit that was intended.

[wtmusic]

52. Sometimes things work out that way

and we all learn a little. It's not always bad.

[DemonGoddess]

54. I don't know what her personal reasons are...

but when my brother died shortly before his 12th birthday, it took my parents awhile to get his headstone as well. You know why? Because it's a REMINDER of how final and permanent the loss is.

[Alamom]

59. So sorry. Same thing happened with my family.

My youngest brother died when he was 10. I was 23.

My parents were in shock as I assume most arre, they couldn't do anything. We had to remind them to eat for months.
I made the funeral arragements and my sister and I handled getting the headstone. If my parents had not had help from older children, I don't know when they could have taken care of it.

[personman]

55. Why don't we just start burning books?

I had no idea there was such "forbidden knowledge" that it couldn't be brought up in a liberal intellectual oasis like this. So it's gossipy, so what.

[wtmusic]

57. It's a fabrication of RW talk radio

There's no prohibition on discussing it. I, like some others, don't see any value in discussing it because just the act of discussing it makes it into an issue.

This is exactly what happened with Kerry's swift-boating. If you want to play along, feel free.

[Fenris]

60. Locking.

Per the OP's request.