on the McKinney deal dammit

[dionysus]

Ok, even if she "slugged" a cop, which is in dispute... even if she did,, OMG, a punch from a 51 year old woman in the chest, oh man that might have crippled the poor guy!!! what a waste of time. Although she is obstinant (so what), the haters here make me sick. People are dying in iraq and we beef on this board about shit like this.. damn...

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Are people STILL talking about that?

DAMN!

[mdmc]

2. the guards waved her by, then harassed her

she gently tapped the cop to get his attention. She apologized in order to get this behind her and cause the dems didn't have her back.

[dionysus]

4. I agree

but even if she did haul off and "punch" the guy, it's a middle aged woman, he couldn't have possibly been hurt = non-issue

[mdmc]

12. nothin a war in IRAqN won't cure

:patriot:

[Gabi Hayes]

3. best thing about it: it's getting ZERO play on CNN/MSNBC so far

I watched top of the hour w/wolf, Dobbs, and tweet, and it hasn't been mentioned

sometimes the real news is SO big that even their publicity stunts don't get the play they desire

excellent

[Minnesota Libra]

5. You're right, people are dying in Iraq but the REAL point about the.......

...McKinney situation is that if we are going to demand that neocons/fundies be held responsible for what they do then one of our own MUST ALSO be held responsible for what they do. Either that or we are nothing but hypocrites. Not much difference between a neocon hypocrite and a liberal hypocrite.

[LittleClarkie]

6. It's really a non story, it's true

But it doesn't matter much if she raised a welt.

You don't hit a cop. You don't hit anyone. I don't care if he did touch or grab her shoulder. I imagine that didn't raise a welt either.

All I say is that they are both innocent until proven guilty.

[dionysus]

14. not hitting people is true

and no proof is given of anything. but if someone punched you and it caused no injury would you want to charge them with a crime?

[LittleClarkie]

20. She hasn't denied that part. She called it self-defense.

I'm thinking hitting a cop is sorta like hitting the ref in a football game. Doesn't matter much if you didn't really hurt em.

[ShortnFiery]

43. We haven't crossed into total fascism within this country ... YET!

The "thou shall NOT strike a cop under any circumstances" people are the one's way over the top IMO.

[rpannier]

7. So when you reach a certain age you should be able to hit the police

how about hitting anyone else?
It could be like senior discounts. This could be...When you turn 50 you can legally commit battery on people.
Your attempt to try and deflect possible criminal behavior by trying to focus on something totally unrelated to the topic is intellectually dishonest.
What other crimes should we ignore while Iraq is going on?

[Eric J in MN]

10. I wouldn't want a Republican Congresswoman prosecuted, either,

if she poked a cop in the chest with a cellphone after he grabbed her for walking through a gate
without a pin.

Prosecution is an extreme reaction to lawbreaking, not the only reaction.

[Gabi Hayes]

11. here.....try this....you should be getting verrrry sleepy soon. have fun

[Blutodog]

The rule of lawlessness

The message here is because she's a nobody she deserves the full weight of the law to land on her back. On the other hand if she's got the power nothing she does matters no matter how criminal or wrong. Jay walkers and Litters deserve the death penalty under the present regime war criminals , torturers , oil pirtaes etc. get huge cash rewards and the medal of freedom.

[rpannier]

28. But that's not what OP said

He said said, "even if she "slugged" a cop, which is in dispute... even if she did,, OMG, a punch from a 51 year old woman in the chest"
I doubt she qualifies as a nobody. Usually congressional representatives are well connected. You could make a stronger case that the officer would be closer to a "nobody" than Ms McKinney.
I have said this before..."I don't know what happened, because I wasn't there." And, most people who make comments on the incident know very little-to-nothing either.
The level of uncivil behavior over this on both sides of the spectrum has been remarkable. She's been called many vile names by equally vile people (Savage comes to mind as a representative of the vile). But the officer has been called 'a racist' by people on the DU who will then add, "Why won't they tell us who the officer is?" or "Why are they shielding his identity?" If they don't know who he is, then how do they know he is a racist?
Look at how much time people have devoted to this issue and how little of it is related to the facts.
I don't disagree that my original comment was "flip" and sarcastic. But, to say 'even if she "slugged" a cop...OMG, a punch from a 51 year old woman...' is pretty silly (IMO)
Your post is esentially correct. It follows the amended golden rule. "He who has the gold makes the rules."

[dionysus]

31. basically, if a woman hits me

i'm not gonna run and call the cops, unless she knocks a tooth out, you dig?

[NYCGirl]

74. Perhaps in this case it wasn't so much the hitting as the news conferences

and alleging racial profiling and "inappropriate touching." You couldn't blame anyone accused of that to want to clear their names. And if this goes to court, we'll hear the whole story.

P.S. Before anyone jumps on this — I'm not assigning guilt or innocence to either side.

[Dorian Gray]

78. That's a good point, NYCGirl.

I don't spend too much time on this, and I truly feel like it's been blown out of proportion by the media, but I think that she (McKinney) deserves some of the blame in blowing this out of proportion in holding those news conferences.

Having said that, this is a waste of time and resources, and I hope it's dropped.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

8. That's So Not The Point. If She DID Slug Him, (your theoretics), She

deserves arrest and the standard penalties. Period.

Whether or not she caused injury is irrelevant. It is assault any which way you look at it, and even worse being against an officer. (again, your theoretics. I have no idea the truth of the scenario. In time we shall see)

[Eric J in MN]

13. How about if she didn't know he was a cop, but just felt a man

grab her and reacted instinctively?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. Then That Would Come Out In Court And She'd Be Found Not Guilty.

I'm not leaning towards that being really what happened, but I'm not going to claim I know for certain, since none of us do at this point.

[Eric J in MN]

56. If the prosecutor concludes that is a likely explanation, then

he or she shouldn't waste the time of a jury with a trial.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. I Agree With That 100%

[dionysus]

19. that's so bunk man

n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. No, It's Actually Quite Factual, Reasonable and Appropriate.

If, and definitely an if since we don't know yet for certain, but IF she slugged him with a closed fist, it is assault on an officer. She should then be subject to the same penalties as any other member of society. That is non negotiable. It is fact. There is no special treatment for one of our own. That's not bunk, it's life. Deal with it. But if she didn't slug the cop, and it was just a big misunderstanding, then she deserves to be exonerated, like everyone else.

[dionysus]

26. if you've ever been around a rowdy area with drunk people

and a policeman needs to show up, and woman places an ineffectual "punch" they don't give a fuck

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. So Now You're Saying Mckinney Was Drunk??????

I mean, seriously, you actually think your analogy is viable or relevant in this debate? :eyes:

[sam sarrha]

38. if she had shot him in the face with Bird Shot, it would be over by now

[ShortnFiery]

44. Shit! Now you up-scale it to slug? Whoa Doctor X, that's no cure

for what's going on, i.e., check out the Queensryche CD. :P

Stop the FREEPER-like MADNESS!?!

Newsflash: Cops are NOT God! Got it? GOOD!

Also, WHY is this situation being "played out" with our Law and Order (above all) folks screaming for her head? Answer - it serves the REPUBLICAN agenda.

Think on that one ... and know this story should have gone away within days of it's occurrence.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. Have You Gone Mad??? What In The World Are You Talking About?

"I" upgraded it to slug? Are you for real? Have you gone mad? :crazy:


And don't false preach to me about cops. I've gotten the shit beat out of me by several of them. I don't need to hear your self-righteous empty rhetoric, with all due respect.

[ShortnFiery]

52. No, I haven't. Just because you can't keep up, no need to call names

You don't have any idea of who the band Queensryche is, do you? I understand that nuance is lost on you, but there's no need to be rude because other people know what I'm alluding to ... and it's pretty damn ironic. Let it go because you don't have the lightness of heart nor the same, somewhat playful sense of humor.

I have to admit, I'd have a lot more fun if I did "alter my conscious" and/or were "bat-shit-crazy" as you so love to claim when at a loss. :(

But alas, I have no mind altering chemicals (other than a little caffeine) coursing through my veins. :P :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. Based On Your Return Reply,

I'm convinced I want what you're smokin...

Seriously, your post makes zero sense.

[ShortnFiery]

60. Do your research then ... you have the skill

You just hate to be one-upped, don't cha?

I thrive on making folks who "love authority" and are also highly competitive the MOST uncomfortable.

Guess one could call that a guilty pleasure. :P

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Actually, Methinks One Would Call That Sheer Stupidity.

But to each their own. :hi:

[ShortnFiery]

73. Oh, I just knew you'd return ...

You can't stand it and it cracks me up in a funny way! :P

So, now I'm both MAD and STUPID?

Too bad you could never develop that sense of humor.

I guess it's hiding behind your authoritarian-loving' personality?

Aye boss? Am I hitting the right chord? ;)

[napi21]

9. Oh comeon. I'm no McKinney hater, but even I know you

DON'T EVER hit a cop! She could have screamed, called him names, swore at him, made an outright big scene, but she shouldn't have hit him.

[ShortnFiery]

45. "DON'T EVER hit a cop!" WTF?

Guess what, there are COPS that are serial killers - that's a fact! Would you go with one on a lonely highway like several DEAD young women who were murdered by a San Diego Highway Patrolman (LEGITIMATE) during the late 80s?

Hello?!? Cops are like any other population. Yes, there are a few very corrupt ones who do NOT have your personal welfare as their top priority. You respect the uniform but if GRABBED from behind, one should have the right to protect oneself.

I hope you don't raise your children that way: "Never hit and/or question the veracity of ANY cop?" I know of a few "grieving parents of young women" who wished to GOD that they never taught such an absolute respect for authority.

[napi21]

83. And you think something like that was going to happen in

the security area with a Capitol Hill Cop? Yea, sure.

I'm sure there are a few bad apples, as there are in every profession, but I have always believed in obeying the laws, and I've managed to make it to 63 successfully using that theory.

[ShortnFiery]

88. Yeah, nothing BAD ever happens there.

:wtf: over?

[cynatnite]

15. You don't hit a cop.

What's not to get about that. :shrug:

[guinivere]

21. Exactly.

Will my grandchildren have to hide these threads?

[dionysus]

27. I'm sure he is scarred for life

(and paid by the GOP)

[bemildred]

30. Cops that abuse their power deserve anything they get in response. nt

[cynatnite]

34. I'm not convinced that he did abuse his power...

Either way, you don't hit a cop. Period.

[ShortnFiery]

48. "Either way, you don't hit a cop."

:wtf: is WRONG with you people. Halliburton just scored big bucks to build what's equivalent to "concentration camps" ... shit! You people sound like you'd step right into the ovens and give a salute as the door is shut.

I remember in the 60s and 70s that this GOD BLESS COPS meme was not ever present - especially with liberals.

What happened to you people?!?

Do NOT ever assume that just because a person is wearing a uniform that he/she gives A DAMN about your welfare. To do otherwise is just ... well UNSOUND. :(

[cynatnite]

62. When did it become okay to hit cops?

This has nothing to do with halliburton or whatever the hell they're doing now.

She hit a cop and that is NOT okay.

Just because she is the hero of the left, libs, progressives or whatever does not make her actions okay. If it was a repuke that did it, many here at DU would be screaming 'typical repuke' and readying the torches.

Seeing more hypocrisy on DU now than ever. :puke:

[ShortnFiery]

64. "She hit a cop and that is NOT okay."

Thank you Sir, May I have another? Would you also ask Dubya to brand my ass with a hot coat hanger? That is oh so satisfying second to "being grabbed from behind" because I FAILED to wear my Congressional (pledge) Pin. :puke:

Many of us are liberals and, as such, are born with an inherent suspicion of authority figures. If someone grabs me from behind, I'm not going to hesitate to react with "extreme physical prejudice." That's what all my instructors have taught me (don't hesitate) in my defense classes.

Hey, no hypocrisy here. :-)

[cynatnite]

66. If I'm grabbed I'm gonna make sure I know what I'm going to hit first...

lets approach this with at least a little common sense and less overdramatics.

[ShortnFiery]

68. No, there's no time to STOP and "ponder"

No dramatics here. Instead I fear some folks here have taken that "law and order" series far too seriously. There are BAD cops and albeit we respect the uniform, if I'm grabbed, I don't give a shit if it's a boy scout, I'm going to react in a strong physical manner, i.e., at a minimum break contact but easily strike if that proves unsuccessful.

Nope, when somebody physically assaults you, there's no time for diplomacy. :hi:

[cynatnite]

85. She was not assaulted...

this entire thing is so blown out of proportion.

[ShortnFiery]

90. Being grabbed from behind is exactly that ==> Assaulted! n/t

[bemildred]

91. Battery, actually, I think.

Assault is making threats, battery is carrying them out.
But I'm no lawyer.

[ShortnFiery]

92. Obviously better versed than I, Thank you bemildred :-) eom

[bemildred]

93. A pleasure. nt

[ShortnFiery]

95. Yes, and also beyond time to disconnect

I'll admit to you <g> ==> this is one LAME issue.

Nite! ;)

[cynatnite]

96. being grabbed from behind does not automatically equal assault

if it did, the jails and courts would explode. If what you say is true I assualted my son today when I grabbed him from behind. :eyes:

If I recall, the video tape has not been released and she apologized.

[AtomicKitten]

49. self-delete

[Gabi Hayes]

16. goody! can we have at least fifteen more of these threads?

can we?

please?



keep doing their work for them

[Renew Deal]

18. It's not OK to hit a cop.

Or anyone else.

[dionysus]

24. i agree, hitting ppl is WRONG, cops especially

but there is no way the cop was injured. on the street this shit would be laughed off.. do you think a cop would prosecute this shit if a woman punched him in the chest? It's a bullshit smear job, and I'm not even a big McKinney fan

[ShortnFiery]

69. Even if the assault you from behind?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fear not friend, rough end of the season, but the new season begins saturday. Where your jersey if ya got one, sit back and enjoy the glory and excitement that is PLAYOFF HOCKEY!!

Fuck the last two weeks. I promised myself I'm resettin the stage. I can't wait for Saturday and beyond.

:toast:

[Renew Deal]

94. Yeah!!!

I am very hopeful about the Rangers. They have some good young players, but the Devils are surging. I don't care. It's the first Ranger playoff run in 9 years. I almost forgot what it was like to watch playoff hockey as a fan. I was at the game last night. It was miserable. Hopefully they pound the Devils into oblivion.

:applause:

[meisje]

23. The typical "laws don't apply to dems" thread oy!

[dionysus]

25. what do you mean?

[Justice Is Comin]

36. Roger to that.

No matter how rationally you try to explain it, some will turn it into Dem thrown overboard.

But if that was a Republican woman, look at those same people's posts then and watch the shark frenzy of outrage that she should resist a cop in a Federal office building.

Anyone on this forum who tries to tell me otherwise, I wouldn't think they would do too well on any lie detector test with that question.

Did Maxine Waters ever get news coverage for hitting a cop? Or Sheila Jackson Lee? And I think they're about as feisty as you can get but they know where to use it.

[ShortnFiery]

47. "They know where to use it." - Assuming facts NOT in evidence. n/t

[Justice Is Comin]

63. If you were convicted of a crime

and you were innocent, and I was in the jury pool, would you want me on your jury?

[ShortnFiery]

67. Huh? Convicted? No, I don't think so. And no thank you :-)

[Justice Is Comin]

70. Wrong word but you got the intent. Meant accused.

But I thought that would be your answer. Tells me all I need to know.

Justice for some.

[ShortnFiery]

89. Freud also got your intent. LOL n/t

[Jigarotta]

32. the message is

a congresswoman who has railed on the * administration since the get go (yay! Cynth!), gets the tag of a brutal assaulting felon.
o, the violence! the violence! we must keep to the Law (that bush keeps changing - the more you kill and hurt, the less the crime)

meanwhile back at the fake Iraq war Ranch: children's skulls are being penetrated by US bullets, towns and cities are being devastated. yadda yadda. you know the program.

but hang Cynthia because she may have had intent of .... (?)

[dionysus]

33. her mighty blow must have

crippled the poor policeman... and left him without means to raise his family.... except he's not injured ;)

[Jigarotta]

35. the injury has been done

thanks to the folks here who follow the Decider Divider and his antics.

[xchrom]

37. like we always always apply the law evenly.

:eyes:

this isn't what frys my ass -- shit if i was an african america woman a few cops woulda been slugged before i died.

the contractors ripping of the people for billions bothers me,abramoff bothers me, duke cunningham bothers me, bush bothers me, illegal wars killing our young bothers me, etc

this does not bother me.

makes me like mckinney more for all the hysteria here.

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

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[dionysus]

41. please don't ever call me a troll

[Ecumenist]

40. The whole point of revitalising this "scandal" is a

naked attempt to deflect attention from Mafia Republicana, otherwise known as Murder Incorporated and their constant states of newly and nearly indicted. It won't work, trust me.

[Swamp Rat]

42. Cynthia's run-in with DC police is of little consequence compare to what

we are facing right now - the Criminal Bushler Cabal is...

DESTROYING AMERICA IN FRONT OF OUR FACES!!!

[AtomicKitten]

50. Please explain why when offered the opportunity, she didn't deny it.

She was asked by MULTIPLE people from Wolf Blitzer to Bill Maher, and dodged the question. I saw multiple interviews she gave where she was asked flat-out if she hit the cop and EVERY TIME she dodged the question.

Sorry, but in my world, I believe people when they ask me to believe them, not people who dodge the question of guilt or innocence. If she denied the charge and claimed innocence, I would have believed her.

And if you keep bringing it up, you're just feeding the GOP change-the-channel machine.

On edit: Let me take this opportunity to thank all of you DU'ers who called me a racist on the boards here and sent me charming PMs with assorted vulgarity.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

51. The COP works for *HER*

Not the other way around.

If he cant deal with a innocent tap from the person he is guarding, he should be fired.

[AtomicKitten]

54. it's against the law to hit a cop - it's as simple as that n/t

[Freedom_Aflaim]

80. But its not that simple

If it were this discussion would not be taking place.

[AtomicKitten]

81. no, this discussion is taking place because

people don't want to face reality. As I've already stated, Ms. McKinney has NEVER denied hitting the cop. That is against the law. Period.

Had she ONCE denied hitting the cop in the multiple of interviews I saw her give, I would believe her.

It really is that simple.

Now we can only hope the Grand Jury declines to indict her.

This happened once to a young Congressman Kennedy when he hit a cop in an airport. However, he actually denied it, then days later came back and apologized, and the whole thing went away.

Again, if Ms. McKinney had even once denied hitting the cop, I would believe her. But she hasn't. And she will be lucky to walk away from this mess unscathed.

[mondo joe]

65. So it's okay to hit your employees? Did you mean to post that on

Democratic Underground?

[Pastiche423]

75. Why did you leave out that she was grabbed from behind 1st?

IF someone (yes, even a cop) grabbed me from behind, you're damn straight I would whirl around and run over their feet.

This did happen to me in real life and the guy was awfully glad I wasn't in a powerchair.

Paul McKenna is a wuss and an instigator. He's had THREE years to learn Cynthia's face. If it were up to me, I'd fire his ass for not doing what he's been paid to do for THREE years.

[LittleClarkie]

76. Paul McKenna and Cynthia McKinney are both innocent until proven

guilty.

Unless, of course, you have a report or something to back up your statement that he is an instigator and a wuss.

[Pastiche423]

82. I have an opinion.

Opinions are stated on this board everyday.

[LittleClarkie]

84. I too have an opinion. An opposing one

Such is also not unheard of on this board, everyday as well.

However, unless you are saying that your opinion is not based in fact, then I repeat that either you have evidence to back up your statement re: Mr. McKenna, or he continues to be innocent until proven guilty.

I could make statements about people I don't know too, and call them opinions. But that still wouldn't make them true unless I had something to back them up.

[mondo joe]

86. I didn't address THAT because I was addressed the post above mine

which was about a different issue - the bizarre idea that if he works for her it's okay to hit him.

Try reading the subthread.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

79. When your employees attack you

YES.

When your employees are there to protect you from attack, insult has been added to injury.

[mondo joe]

87. If he "attacked her" she should press charges. Why isn't she?

If he did something wrong why isn't she addressing it?

[Mr_Spock]

53. Mmmmmmmmm, tasty flame broiled popcorn

:popcorn:

[Imagevision]

55. Hey, McKinney blew it, and the repukes need some salvo - end of story!

[BuyingThyme]

58. So what if I rob a bank.

[Imagevision]

59. repugs have zero to come back against the Dems -> totally desperate!

[jukes]

61. WE aren't discussing it any longer

the trolls (OP excluded) keep dragging it up because their arguments are so weak.