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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:19 AM
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New Concentration Camps -- Don't Believe They're Only For Muslims...

Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'


"Is the Pentagon building U.S.-based prison camps for Muslim immigrants? Evidence points to the possibility."<snip>

http://www.alternet.org/images/managed/Story+Image_thumb_022306_story.jpg

<snip> Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration's domestic operations -- Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.

"The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements," Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.

"I stand by this president's ability, inherent to being commander in chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don't think you need a warrant to do that," Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.

"Senator," a smiling Gonzales responded, "the president already said we'd be happy to listen to your ideas."

In less paranoid times, Graham's...<snip> -- http://www.alternet.org/rights/32647








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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:27 AM
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1. This is bloody ridiculously creepy...
There was a time when this was reserved for those characterised as oficially mentally and emotionally fragile but this has gotten too possible with this bunch.
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:44 AM
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26. POLICE STATE
Just another step toward big brother.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #26
49. It's been a POLICE STATE for years.
* is just more open about subjugating you.

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backwoodsmurder Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:30 AM
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2. I'm thinking those camps were made big enough for everyone
....on shrubs shitlist.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/20/immigration.raids/index.html">immigrant roundup
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:35 AM
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3. Well we have a new place for DU get togethers
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:07 AM
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11. We won't have to pay for travel expenses
I wonder if we will be branded with a scarlet DU on our forheads so we will be able to recognize each other. Scary stuff.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:16 AM
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12. Please don't even joke about giving in...

This is serious.


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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 03:42 AM
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53. This Has Nothing to Do With Giving In. It's What LOSING Looks Like…
…when the winners are Nazis.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:36 AM
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4. Lindsay Graham McCarthy
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 05:37 AM by TomClash
Next stop: loyalty oaths.

Good night and good luck.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:08 AM
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33. do you realise how fast that base along with 95% of
the rest of America will g postal if this starts up? We're a really unbalanced bunch...
Like a continent full of Annie Oakleys, Hannibal Lectors, Shafts, Folks that will make th Hatfields and McCoys look like a debutante ball. My God, there are places in the country where drive bys are treated almost like Vespers. They think that have problems in Iraq and Afghanistan?

"I'll take bloodbath for 800.00, Alex...

America is like a very dysfunctional family that will happily fall on one another will glee, trying to kill and do great bodily harm BUT the minute someone from outside the family starts up, they band together and go batsh*t insane defending their family..

It won't be pretty at all, trust me
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #33
38. So far, here are the words I would use to describe the Americna people
docile, sheep, indifferent, uninterested, self-absorbed.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:07 PM
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52. I respectfully disagree, Tom
I speak to the everyday person, the ones who aren't given a voice in the media, the ones who when they march against the policies of this government, are not given a forum. I speak to people ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY and a large part of these people are in the south, Alabama, Mississippi, the Carolinas...

They are VERY unlikely to accept internment. Trust me. Many of these people are former military, Christians, (not Falwell types by any stretch of the imagination) and fully willing and able to "make their point known. trust me. They HATE bush, cheney and the lot of them. I mean HATE. these people have either lost someone in their own family circle or know someone how has to this war, either through death or irreversible and irreparable injuries... Nope, these are not people who'll take this lying down.
That's why I have to say I disagree, albeit amicably, with your assessment. :hi:
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 05:44 AM
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56. I hope you're right and I'm wrong
But I don't see the average American doing much to help liberals, leftists, illegal immigrants, homosexuals, muslims in the event they are interned in the dead of night.

But if you're correct, I'll hoist and carry the rebel flag myself - right along with them.
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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:10 PM
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57. But that's just ot, Tom
The average American are liberal, Muslims, hardworking middle class types. Because the media and most other information outlets are owned by this criminal regime, it seems like we make up the lesser part of America but that isn't true. We are , with all our attendant problems with violence, selfishness etc, make up the majority of us and if things were to go to hell in a hand basket, many of those freeper types would quickly join our ranks, trust me.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:24 PM
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61. Do you realize that you describe humanity....
Not "Americans", but humans the world over. It's easy to understand the Iraqi "insurgency". As you say, "...the minute someone from outside the family starts up, they band together and go batsh*t insane defending their family".
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:39 AM
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5. Definition of Fifth Column
Since I had to look it up I thought I might not be the only one who needs the definition.


fifth column
n.

A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an invading enemy's military and political aims.


fifth col'um·nism (kŏl'əm-nĭz'əm) n.
fifth columnist n.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:53 AM
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7.  - and how would one qualify as a 5th columnist under a...

...rogue administration?


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Ecumenist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:55 AM
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30. Someone who absolutely abhors limbaugh and
finds this bunch revolting and shows it?
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:25 AM
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13. Seems Like Bu$h's Oligarchy Fits Your Definition Quite Well...

A clandestine subversive organization working within a country to further an invading enemy's military and political aims.


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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:24 PM
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45. I appreciate you posting the definition, I was unaware of the meaning.
Everytime someone dissents or speaks out against the actions of this administration or it's policies, bush* apologists always seem to include in their response that dissent is assisting the enemy. I always shiver when I hear that because they seem to be saying that we are the enemy. Put this together with Gramn's assertions and this OP and I believe that we are, IMO, being targetted. :scared:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:52 AM
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6. Did anyone besides K.O. even mention this on the evening news?
I tried to tell my hubs about it when he got home from work about 10 pm.
"Honey, the latest big contract for Halliburton? Guess what it is?"

"What," he said, "they're getting to rebuild New Orleans so only rich people will get to live there?"

"Uh no. A couple of hundred billion dollars for them to build detention camps here in the US --"

"CONCENTRATION CAMPS?!" (you can tell he's pretty quick on the uptake)

"Well yeah, for the floods of illegals they think are coming over the border, and--"

"CONCENTRATION CAMPS?!"

"-- and for other people they --"

"CONCENTRATION CAMPS?!"

Good God Almighty folks, how did we ever come to this?

Hekate
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:56 AM
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9. We came to this by stolen elections...

...just like the rest of the world.


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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:12 AM
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35. Let's ask the Supreme court that question.
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 08:12 AM by Blue State Native
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:55 AM
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8. why am I not surprised?
Well, I expect that I'll be seeing a lot of my fellow DUers there.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 05:58 AM
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10. Are you giving up???!!!

It ain't over 'till there's a concession!


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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:59 AM
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31. What?
What are you talking about?

Do you really think we can do anything to STOP them from building the camps?

What concession?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:00 AM
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36. We can't stop them from building them
but it may come to the point of trying to stop them from filling them.

Building the camps is a boondoggle.

Filling the camps is a violation of the constitution.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:35 PM
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42. You read my mind... n/t


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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. Actually...

...we can stop them from building them. Protest while you still can.


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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Maybe I'm being overly cynical...
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 01:59 PM by nickinSTL
but...even protesting...will do...what?

Do you really think they CARE if people protest?

How will protesting actually STOP them?
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:42 PM
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50. It will raise consciousness while there's still time to stop it... n/t
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:28 AM
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14. Another day, a little closer to fascism...
yet again.

This is getting fucking downright scary.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:33 AM
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15. Yet people keep saying we are NOT living through a renewed............
....1939 Nazi Germany. How much more will it take to convince this country that Bush fully intends to lock up Americans who disagree with him? Maybe when the government finally begins filling up those camps with their next door neighbors or even their own family members.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:35 AM
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16. Find a less tinfoil-hat site, and I'll be more inclined to worry.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:39 AM
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17. It was mentioned on MSNBC last night
that's not exactly the left-wing media, since it's owned by the world's largest defense contractor.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:41 AM
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18. I'll look for a transcript after my 9:30-10:45 class, then.
Need to go shower, get ready, eat breakfast, etc...

Thank you for the information.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:44 AM
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20. Keith Olbermann mentioned it
have a good class!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:02 AM
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23. It was in the Worst Person segment.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. I did a simple Google search...
... and found dozens of citations from what you might deem "less tinfoil hat" sites, including the NYT. There were so many, in fact, I couldn't even peruse them all.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 06:43 AM
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19. You want creepy?
Read Army Regulation AR210-35. "Civilian Inmate Labor Program". This is some scary reading. . .

Here's a few more dots for ya:

  • Halliburton recently landed a major construction contract for military bases.
  • FEMA supposedly is getting out of the emergency management business.
  • Private security companies, such as Blackwater, are making appearances on American soil. (think Katrina)

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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:00 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. How Un-Western of you...


You unspoke yout truth.



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BlackHeart Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. I'm not sure of the reliability of your link
but it says it was innacted in 1997
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:37 AM
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25. At the top of page 2:
This rapid action revision dated 14 January 2005--

Putting on my :tinfoilhat:, the question that immediately came to mind: "Why did *Co need a rapid revision?" Am I being paranoid? Is this an end run around The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878?

These folks are not exactly defenders of the Constitution. :sarcasm:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:46 AM
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40. Man, that is some scary sh*t. Bush's Legacy..Death, Prison, Torture
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:47 AM
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27. They should name THESE after Ronald Reagan...
...since his team (and I suspect we'd recognize a few names) wanted these back in 1980, so that there would be no more "Vietnam-style protests" when they invaded Nicaragua (back when an invasion was still on the table). The camps are one of the things Ollie North was wasting FEMA's time on, instead of natural disaster preparedness. They fell much farther down the agenda once an active invasion was ruled out, but they were never really off the agenda (all through the 90's it was the militia types fretting about them). Looks like they're back, more real than ever.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:49 AM
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28. This was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the
massive "hundreds of illegals arrested" roundup yesterday.

The first move to put a million into detention, so as to scare the remaining 11 million away?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 07:50 AM
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29. Just how many of these so called 5th columnist
have they captured or can identify? My thinking is 0....
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:07 AM
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32. It would be interesting to know where these are located.
Some pictures would be helpful. Have they started building the crematories?
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #32
39. Links:
Location of possible camps. Strange, most have no prisoners yet remain staffed. Many undergoing renovations.

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/campsc.html

Even more chilling:

SHACKLED BOXCARS

http://www.whale.to/b/box.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/281821.shtml


Note:
The United States Civil Disturbance Plan 55-2.


The following information was obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. The information herein is DECLASSIFIED and does not come within the scope of directions governing the protection of information affecting the national security.

It took a little more than three years to obtain a full copy of Operation Garden Plot from the U.S. Government, and was done so under the Freedom of Information act for unclassified documents. The implications within the full context of this document should make the hair on the back of your head stand on end!!!!!

In this document signed by the Secretary of the Army, is hereby assigned as DOD Executive Agent for civil disturbance control operations. Under Plan 55-2 he is to use airlift and logistical support, in assisting appropriate military commanders in the 50 states, District of Columbia, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and US possessions and territories, or any political subdivision thereof.

The official name of this project is called ,,,

Operation Garden Plot

Under this plan for the deployment of Operation Garden Plot, the use of CIDCON-1 will be mandatory. This direct support of civil disturbance control operations is to be used by the Army, USAF, Navy, and Marine Corp. with an airlift force to be comprised of MAC Organic Airlift Resources, airlift capable aircraft of all other USAF major commands, and all other aerial reconnaissance and Airborne Psychological Operations. This is to include control communications systems, aero-medical evacuation, helicopter and Weather Support Systems.

If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters.

Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.

Under section D, a Presidential Executive Order will authorize and direct the Secretary of Defense to use the Armed Forces of the United States to restore order.

2 TAB A APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX S USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 EXHIBIT POR:SGH, JCS Pub 6, Vol 5, AFR 160-5 hereby provides for America's military and the National Guard State Partnership Program to join with United Nations personal in said operations. This links selected U.S. National Guard units with the Defense Ministries of "Partnership For Peace." This was done in an effort to provide military support to civil authorities in response to civil emergencies.

Under Presidential Decision Directive No. 25, this program serves to cement people to relationships between the citizens of the United States, and the global military of the UN establishments of the emerging democracies of Central and Eastern European countries. This puts all of our National Guardsmen under the direct jurisdiction of the United Nations.

Section 3: This plan could be implemented under any of the following situation:

(1) SITUATION. Spontaneous civil disturbances which involve large numbers of persons and/or which continue for a considerable period of time, may exceed the capacity of local civil law enforcement agencies to suppress. Although this type of activity can arise without warning as a result of sudden, unanticipated popular unrest (past riots), it may also result from more prolonged dissidence.

This would most likely be an outgrowth of serious social, political or economic issues which divide segments of the American population. Such factionalism could manifest itself through repeated demonstrations, protest marches and other forms of legitimate opposition but which would have the potential for erupting into spontaneous violence with little or no warning.

(2) SITUATION. Planned acts of violence or civil disobedience which, through arising from the same causes as (1) above, are seized upon by a dedicated group of dissidents who plan and incite purposeful acts designed to disrupt social order.

This may occur either because leaders of protest organizations intentionally induce their followers to perpetrate violent acts, or because a group of militants infiltrates an otherwise peaceful protest and seeks to divert it from its peaceful course.

Subsection C: (2) Environmental satellite products will be continue to be available.

(d) Responsibilities. Meteorological support to civil disturbance operations will be arranged or provided by AWS wings.

The 7th. Weather Wing (7WW) is responsible for providing / arranging support for Military Airlift Command (MAC) airlift operations. The 5th Weather Wing (5WW) is responsible for supporting the United States Army Forces Command.

Civil disturbance may threaten or erupt at any time in the CONUS and grow to such proportions as to require the use the Federal military forces to bring the situation under control.

A flexible weather support system is required to support the many and varied options of this Plan.

ANNEX H: XXOW, AWSR 55-2, AWSR 23-6, AFR 23-31, AR 115-10, AFR 105-3.

Subsection B:

Concept of Environmental Support. Environmental support will be provided by elements of Air Weather Service (AWS) in accordance with refs a-f. The senior staff meteorologist deployed int the Task Force Headquarters (TFH) will be the staff weather officer (SWO) to the TFH.

Centralized environmental support products are requested in accordance with AWSR 105-18. Weather support is provided by weather units located at existing CONUS bases or by deployed SWOs and / or weather teams to the objective areas.

Support MAC source will be provide in accordance with the procedures in MARC 103-15. MAC forces will be provided in accordance with the procedures in AFR 105-3.

Air Force Global Weather Central: Provides centralized products as requested.

JCS Pub 18 - Doctrine for Operations Security AFR 55-30
Operations Security

1. GENERAL
Opposition forces or groups may attempt to gain knowledge of this plan and 'use that knowledge to prevent or degrade the effectiveness of the actions outlined in this plan. In order to protect operations undertaken to accomplish the mission, it is necessary to control sources of information that can be exploited by those opposition forces or groups.

OPSEC is the effort to protect operations by identifying and controlling intelligence indicators susceptible to exploitation. The objective of OPSEC, in the execution of this plan, is to assure the security of operations, mission effectiveness, and increase the probability of mission success.

2. RESPONSIBILITY FOR OPERATIONS SECURITY (OPSEC):
The denial Of information to an enemy is inherently a command responsibility. However, since the operations Officer at any level of command is responsible to his commander for the Overall planning and execution of operations, he has the principal staff interest in assuring maximum protection of the operation and must assume primary responsibility instability for ensuring that the efforts of all other staff elements are coordinated toward this end. However., every other individual associated with, or aware of, the operation must assist in safeguarding the security of the operation.

3. OBJECTIVES FOR OPERATIONS SECURITY (OPSEC):

a. The basic objective of OPSEC is to preserve the security Of friendly forces and thereby to enhance the probability of Successful mission accomplishment. "Security" in this context relates to the protection of friendly forces. It also includes the protection of operational information to prevent degradation of mission effectiveness through the disclosure of prior knowledge of friendly operations to the opposition.

b. OPSEC pervades the entire planning process and must be a matter of continuing concern from the conception of an operation, throughout the preparatory and execution phases, and during critiques, reports, press releases, and the like conducted during the post operation phase.

4. OPERATION ORDERS AND SOP:
Specific operations orders and standard operating procedures "MUST be developed with the awareness that the opposition may be able to identify and exploit vulnerable activities.

Released under Freedom of Information Act on March 30th, 1990. All material presented here has been declassified and supersedes USAD Operations Plan355-10 of July 16, 1973. Information released by USAF under supervision of Alexander K. Davidson, BRIG. GEN, USAF, Dep. Director of Operations.

APPENDEX 5 TO ANNEX E TO USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 Annex Z. Other References: 10 United States Codes 331,332,333,8500,1385, MARC 105-1, MARC 105-18, AR 115-10, AFR 105-3, PDD-25.



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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. It appears Democracy lost the Cold War after all.
The "Evil Empire" moved to America. This is very sad.

Thanks for the info.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. I think the shackled-boxcar thing is illogical
First off, why would they be using the rail system, instead of semi trucks? Second, why would they bother putting shackles into the boxcars? Once the door shuts, nobody would be able to get out anyway.

Tucker
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 08:14 AM
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62. I agree it's illogical aliengirl, but with the bunch in the
WH, when does anything they do make logical sense?

Whether this is true or not, I've run into this several times in the last couple of years at different sites. And haven't we learned by now that with this regime often where there is smoke there is fire?

I have no way to verify or discredit and hoped that posting a link would get those in the area to ask some questions, snoop around.

Anymore I don't know what to think in this bizarro world * has conceived.:shrug:

:hi:
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:08 AM
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34. How much do you want to bet that ...
Within ten years from now, the Democratic party is considered a Fifth Column organization? :P
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:47 AM
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37. and let's not forget previous information on the subject . . .
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:59 PM
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43. "This will make the Third Reich look like a tea party."...

...According to a source of Indira Sangh -- http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=110 (part 2)

Here's part 1 (her background) -- http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=157.22.130.4&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20050427-Wed1400.mp3

The plan is global (does that word sound familiar?) Supreme authority can wage a global war on anything it wants.









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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:59 PM
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47. What happens...?
What happens when there are more people in prison than out of it?
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:16 PM
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48. Big Fucking Deal.
First, they'll come for the muslims, then the property rights activists, then the anti-government types, then blah blah blah...

As if * is doing anything new. This has been in the playbook ever since the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798.

The Alien Enemies Act authorized the president to imprison (or deport) any alien from an enemy nation (one the United States was fighting).

So, why are you DUers upset? * is just running the same plays from a 208 year old playbook...


Whoop De Doo...


Support the State, send your son or daughter off to exotic locales to kill people!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 04:14 PM
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51. I WELCOME THE CAMPS !!!!11111111111
It would be a tribute to the American spirit of ingenuity and fiscal conservatism to turn a paltry $385 million into the ability to house, feed and clothe 300 million people. Wait. It gets even better. By the time all the Crony Capitalist Privatizers get their cuts from this modest bullshit contractor deal - peel off $$$$ for yachts, McMansions, and greens fees in Dubai - you're probably looking at around $100 million for actual construction and "camp" maintenance costs.

Any private corporation that can house, feed and clothe 300 million people for about 33 cents a head - well, that's OUTSTANDING!!!!!11111111

:eyes:

Here's a link to the actual BUSINESS story from KBR's website:

KBR AWARDED U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY CONTINGENCY SUPPORT PROJECT FOR EMERGENCY SUPPORT SERVICES

ARLINGTON, Virginia – KBR announced today that its Government and Infrastructure division has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to support the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.
http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/news.jsp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html


The same press release referred to in the kooky alternet story

"...there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with "an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs," KBR said."


I don't know why people keep falling for this stuff.

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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 03:44 AM
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54. They'll call it "Freedom Camps" or some sh*t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 04:30 AM
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55. Be prepared for something big to happen...

...before this admin falls like a house of cards.


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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:59 PM
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58. Gulag Americana
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:07 PM
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59. Un-f*cking-believable
Graham is a traitor to everything America stands for. As is Gonzalez. AMNERICA IS NOT ABOUT LOYALTY!! It IS about freedom. Free people are free to express thoughts that might even counter the agenda of a particular President at a particular time. Republicanism betrays what America stands for. Graham and his ilk should be drummed out of Washington, period.
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