"I pledge to remain sexually pure...until I give myself as a wedding gift"

[Viking12]

Creepy..

I pledge to remain sexually pure...until the day I give myself as a wedding gift to my husband. ... I know that God requires this of me.. that he loves me. and that he will reward me for my faithfulness.



http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114537999061146139

Edited to add: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/04/my_career_as_a_porn_impresario.php

[BOSSHOG]

1. Sweet little christian kids

don't believe oral and anal sex makes them sexually impure, it just allows them to tell mommy and daddy that they are virgins. Creepy indeed.

In a few years she will pledge to do whatever she can to destroy the constitution just like all little "christians" have been taught.

[Coexist]

5. Only the Central Scrutinizer knows for sure...

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...
Joe had a girl friend named Mary.
She used to go to the church club every week.
They'd meet each other there
Hold hands
And think
Pure Thoughts
But one night, at the
Social Club meeting Mary didn't show up...
She was sucking cock backstage at The Armory
In order to get a pass To see some big rock group for free...

...from Frank Zappa's Catholic Girls

[vogonity]

13. Was she wearing...

Leather?????

Oh, and What ever happened to all the fun in the world?

To all Non-Zappa fans, sorry if this is cryptic. I just can't resist replying when I see a Zappa quote.

Peace

[Coexist]

37. was Joe's Garage the first ever attack on Scientology?!

inquiring minds gotta' know.

I remember not having any idea what Scientology WAS in my teens, I just imagined a freaky cult.

[minkyboodle]

105. weeny wany woonie

:)

[Atman]

8. God bless Catholic School Girls!

Doh...did I say that out loud?

Seriesly, where I went to school, in a small beach town in Florida, the town's only Catholic church had a school that only went up to 6th grade. So every year, the middle school received a fresh batch of Catholic kids who'd never experienced public schools, never knew the joys of speaking freely without getting smacked with a ruler by Sister Mary Cat. They were just dumped into the mix, right into the middle school, when every boy in town was experiencing the wild rush of Math class boners, and young titties were sprouting like spring daffodils.

Everything "bad" I learned, from pot smoking to "getting to second base" (and beyond), I learned from the Catholic school girls.

[TahitiNut]

81. (LOL!!)

"... when every boy in town was experiencing the wild rush of Math class boners, and young titties were sprouting like spring daffodils."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That's a PERFECT metaphor ... and very apt imagery! Believe me, it was exactly the same in suburban Detroit. Everything I learned, I learned from Catholic School girls - Udamwellbetcha!

:rofl:

[Perky]

85. Hey watch the stereotyping please

I am devout. But I don't think that the Constitution shoueld be neurtered or changed based on my religious beliefs. I would venture to say that what you are talking about is a very loud and powerful minority. But we hardly speak with onbe voice.

DOn't lump all Christians in with the wingnuts and the Bon Jones U. types.

[BOSSHOG]

108. So wouldn't your argument

be with them, not me. I consider "christian conservatives" the number domestic enemy of the constitution today. They do not understand the concept of constitutional liberties therefore, I do not believe they deserve them. They pick and choose in the bible the passages which justify their hate and ignore those they find inconvenient. Based on your post I believe you should find it incumbent to help me change them, or at the very least protect the constitution from them. A much more powerful argument would be made by you against them, not me. As my signature lines says, I did not spend 24 years in uniform defending and protecting the bible. And I get extremely pissed when yahoos beat their bibles and decide they are going to amend the constitution and pass laws against people they hate; hate in the name of Jesus Christ.

[Perky]

118. I fight them on a regualr basis

I am just saying you are painting with a a pretty broad brush.

[Atman]

2. But no gays at the Easter Egg roll because they'll have to explain sex

to their children.

*whacka whacka whacka*

:crazy:

This little girl doesn't have a clue what she's reading. "Timmy Smushkins kissed me right on the playground, Daddy! But he said he'd rather have a PSP."

[Squatch]

3. Why is that creepy?

That's their religious belief.

[miss_american_pie]

7. I think the creepy part

is the turning female sexuality into a commodity.

But they have every right to believe it.

[Squatch]

10. Are men not by a similar "purity" promise?

[Atman]

12. You can't sign on the dotted line while your wankin' it!

Just sayin.

[miss_american_pie]

14. On the surface

but in my limited experience, there tends to be a much bigger issue made of a girl making a "present" of herself to her husband than the other way around.

[Atman]

27. If it were the other way around, we'd all be naked with bows on our heads!

Yeah, women are just lining up to have a bunch of fat hairy slobs "give themselves" to them! LOL!

[Triana]

55. How telling about Xtian attitudes towards women and marriage (n/t)

[miss_american_pie]

109. Oh I don't want to paint that broadly

IMO there's Christianity, and then there's fundamentalism.

[Jigarotta]

123. yeh, creepy, like trading goats for your girlchild kind of creepy. nt

[mondo joe]

18. What - religious beliefs can't be creepy?

I think this is as creepy as all get out.

These are kids who don't really have the capacity to make a pledge like this yet.

And it's creepy in plenty of other ways too.

So it's the religious belief - they can be as creepy as they like.

[Ilsa]

20. The idea of her making the pledge to her daddy makes me queasy.

Why isn't she pledging to both her parents? Isn't her mother worthy of the "relief" that she won't be a grandmother in the next five years?

This child is too young to understand the promise she is making and the countering forces awaiting her in the future.

I'd like to see boys making these pledges not to harass girls into "putting out".

[mondo joe]

24. I agree 100%

And then when it gets into the idea that virginity is something you GIVE, or that it is YOURSELF.... I shudder enough to flip inside out.

[Ilsa]

32. The odd thing is that we don't hear the grooms complaining

about their prospective wives having a little experience, do we? I mean, do men complain about this?

[Mad_Dem_X]

73. I totally agree

She is far too young to be doing something like that. And where's Mom??

[Jigarotta]

124. Mom may be out having an affair...

cuz she didn't test drive for a lousy lover.

[Squatch]

26. What's creepy is that on this forum there has been a general

outcry for religious/belief system tolerance over the years I've been here. But, every now and again, you get somebody who, from the comfort of their keyboards, mocks and judges those who choose to practice their faith in their own way.

I don't agree with every religion or belief system out there, but you sure as hell won't hear me making fun of any of them.

[mondo joe]

30. And I'm tolerant - they are 100% free to live by their religion.

No matter how creepy it is.

Want to tolerate my freedom of speech? How about it?

[Squatch]

36. Where have I not?

Yours is a typical response here on DU. Meet another's comments with hyperbole.

[mondo joe]

40. If "typical" means acknowledging something is creepy then I'm

proud to be typical.

I am tolerant of their religion. I don't know why you think tolerance means they are immune from criticism.

And I don't know why you think religion merits such a SPECIAL tolerance.

[Squatch]

44. Criticism is one thing, mocking an entirely different thing.

One requires intelligence, the other not so much.

[mondo joe]

46. Why? Do we not mock people's choices all the time on DU?

Since when is mockery a sin?

[Squatch]

49. Doing it "all the time" does not make it right.

Now, there are people, namely those of our current administration, who rightly deserve mocking. Oh, and pat Robertson, too. He needs a little mocking.

However, mocking a girl's and her father's belief system should have no place in a community where the members profess to be tolerant of all religions.

[mondo joe]

52. I don't see why mocking Bush or Robertson is okay but not this creep.

They're acting in accordance with their beliefs - all three of thhem.

Why do you argue for a special protected-from-mockery class for religion - or more accurately SOME religious beliefs?

[Squatch]

54. Fine...just go ahead and mock everybody you see who

does not ascribe to your moral code. What benefit does that bring you? Does it make you feel special or powerful to mock an 8-year old girl?

Look, I really don't give a crap. People on DU are going to cry for religious tolerance on one side of their mouths and mock little girls on the other.

[mondo joe]

56. I see you didn't answer my question. Why is it okay to mock Bush

and Robertson for their beliefs but not this guy?

AND WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU EVER GET THE IDEA I WAS MOCKING THE CHILD?

Seriously, get some reading comprehension help. The poor kid was NEVER mocked - her creepy father was.

[Squatch]

60. Okay, Ace.

So, tell me, who is making that purity pledge? And what was the resultant comment on DU? :shrug:

[mondo joe]

65. Who is the one MAKING her make it? Did you even fucking read the

posts about how she's to young to be made to do this? If she's TOO YOUNG then who do you think is the one being held responsible?

And you still evade the question - way to go, "Ace". Some beliefs can be mocked and some can't, but you're the arbiter with a special insight you can't share with anyone.

[sendero]

111. She's making it under duress..

... and the entire way this is done is nothing less than ceremonial duress.

Just as studies show that those who make abstinence pledges are more likely to waver, I'd bet good money this type of pressure on kids is completely counter-productive and SERVES NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER BEYOND MAKING THE PARENTS FEEL GOOD.

[oldcoot]

119. Who is mocking the little girl?

I feel sorry for the little girl because I would have been extremely uncomfortable taking such a pledge in front of other people at her age. I can also imagine what would happen to the little girl if she refused to take the pledge. It is quite possible that her parents would punish her or express disappointment with her. In any case, making mommy or daddy unhappy is something most little kids naturally want to avoid. For this reason, I cannot fault any child who takes this type of pledge.

As for the parents, I wonder if they really expect that their children will feel obliged to live up to a pledge that they were forced to make as young children or if they are just doing this because they want to look good in front of others.

[Jigarotta]

126. the girl has no belief other than what has been told to her

""However, mocking a girl's and her father's belief system should have no place in a community where the members profess to be tolerant of all religions.""

by Daddy Cherry protector. And Daddy says that if you don't save it, God will not be kind to you.
that's pretty sick and twisted.

[Jigarotta]

125. yah but, it's the adult's religion

hoisted onto their children. That's just not quite right, imho. Golden Rule stuff is quite okay but this kind of thing is way beyond that.

[seabeyond]

57. as a christian and a christian obligation, i am going to decry hypocrisy

or just flat out wrongs when i see them being used in the name of the lord. you may want to defend a religion, over the embracing of christ. i prefer the challenging religion to the walking away of christ. and since these religions in the name of the lord, are passing laws for all of us to follow whether we believe in their religion that they have the right to follow, i suggest i also have the right to not particpate in their religion.

when they get out of my business, and quit telling me who i am, and if i am christian or not, good or bad,.... then i will leave them alone. but today, their isnt a chance in hell i am going to leave them alone. we left them alone tooooo long and now look what we have. states declaring themselves christian states. congress coming to the floor on a sunday, because RELIGION told them too

get the religion out of my government and my life, and i will be out of theirs. but.... these religions have created this all themselves. and i have an obligation, in my view, in my interpretation of christ to stand up to the hypocrisy

so if you insist on defending these religions then you MUST also defend my right to challenge them in insisting i be a part of their religion that i feel does not follow christ

[Viking12]

68. Tolerance does not mean, "make no judgments"

Your premise is flawed.

[Cats Against Frist]

101. Thank you -- more people should remember this

There is a distinct difference between "tolerance," "asking the government to intervene," and holding an opinion. We are not free citizens, unless we have the right to have our own opinions -- despite what the "PC" police thing. The goal is freedom, not mind control.

[miss_american_pie]

110. As a woman, I'll certainly criticize someone

who, on the basis of his/her religious beliefs, attempts to change laws to take away my rights.

[BOSSHOG]

112. They can practice their belief in their way in this country

because of the ocean of American Blood spilt on battlefields around the world for the past 230 years. My objection is their desire to have me practice their way and to codify their hate of groups of Americans merely because of what they believe.

[tanyev]

19. Speaking as someone who did decide to remain a virgin until I

got married, I've got to say that picture is creeping me out. My decision was mine alone, and I revisited it many times as I got into high school and college. I find the image of a very young girl in daddy's arms, making that pledge in a ceremonial manner, quite disturbing.

[seabeyond]

22. really bothered me too. yuk n/t

[Bridget Burke]

39. I also find the image creepy. Does her virginity belong do Dad?

"Advertising" virginity is weird. One needs to make one's own decisions & only share them with those who matter.

[mondo joe]

42. Oh I am shuddering it's so creepy. I wish kids could learn their body is

THEIRS.

[madokie]

83. and at some place in life it may be all you have.

Oh I love hippocrites :sarcasm:

[mondo joe]

86. Indeed. Hate to see kids taught that their virginity is their value,

and that once it's "gone" they are devalued.

Really, it's so creepy I feel like puking.

If there was one thing I had the power to give every child, it would be a sense that their body is THEIRS.

[madokie]

89. I like your way of thinking

[Mad_Dem_X]

77. Yes, it should be *her* decision

...not Daddy's.

[seabeyond]

21. because.... she is like 8. better not even know what sexually pure is

and the words sexually anything associated with her should NOT be coming out of her lips at 8. and with her father, .... eeeeeew. it all creeps me out. further, .... are the boys also reading a card that they will stay sexually pure until the marry themselves off to the wife? otherwise that is the hugest of bullshit.

now, religion or not,... tell me where i am wrong

they teach 5 year olds about abortion and mutilating fetuses, and guys butt fucking each other.

i was in this environment with my kids in a christian school. they take there babies on up to see passion

they do all these inappropriate age things to these kids in the name of the lord.

give it to a 12 yr old. leave the 8 year olds alone and let them be a kid. if they are worried about their 8 year old becoming sexually active there are bigger problems in that family than some oath

[madokie]

63. and in the end creating what they want to avoid. sheeeze

I, just for the life of me cannot be a person who goes to church. I can be a hippocrite right here at home thank you. Thats what one of my co-workers told a preacher that we were doing work for one time. :rofl:

[seabeyond]

67. putting boy into christian school in '99. minister insist i go to church

and i told them, no i cannot. do you want my child? oh comone he says, just put a church down. i tell him, and lie????? i dont lie, but i am certainly not going to lie about god..... no way.

and i am the sinnnnnner

i cant/wont do church. i use to value and appreciate and look kindle at church and the love people had. but now, the last couple years, the energy i feel is hate. and i have told those around me, now it isnt because i dont do group or people, now there isnt a chance i will do it cause i wont teach my kids hate in the name of the lord. we do our god talking here at home, regularly, consistantly, continually, in love.....

[madokie]

71. I've raised two fine young men without getting the church involved

My dad started and built a church about the time I was born so I was raised practically in church. When I turned 14 my dad told me I was free to do as I want if I hadn't learned by now I wasn't gonna learn. I only darken a church door if I am working there or it is a funeral. Ain't gonna' do it. Both boys tried the church scene but didn't last long. I think if the truth was known it was the girls there that attracted them in the first place.

[seabeyond]

74. my boys see the hypocrisy.

i saw it young. i would tell mom, i am suppose to feel peace, but i get mad.


yup

[Pretty_in_CodePink]

78. For one thing b/c the girl in the photo looks about 7!! n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

120. Why couldn't a religious belief be creepy?

[LeftyMom]

127. Because there's something seriously wrong

with any guy who has that much interest in his daughter's naughty bits and what she's doing with them.

[madokie]

4. I'm glad that didn't catch on. Hell I was 42 before I married

are we talking blue balls or what.

[seabeyond]

28. lol i was 32. like a 32 yr old virgin. i would be way concerned

maybe a reason they married so young, (ergo, maybe not the right choice in mate, just settling).

[seabeyond]

31. self delete. wrong place

[madokie]

64. I never did understand what the big deal was about virginity

It might be alright for some people, I'm just glad I wasn't one of them.

[mondo joe]

69. The most bizarre thing about it is the idea that virginity is a thing you

can GIVE (rather than something of your own), and that you're a different kind of person before and after.

[madokie]

75. I think bizarre is the right word. for those who it floats their boat,

more power to them.

[sproutster]

6. ...because thats the sum of who I am to my parents - I swear I will never

be raped either - because then I will be worthless in the eyes of everyone who honor me for this.

And ya wonder why rape is so under reported.

[KG]

9. still waiting to hear about the boys 'sexual purity' events

oh, that's right, there aren't any.

[Ganja Ninja]

11. I pledge to remain sexually pure...until the day I give myself to...

My Daddy or Grandpa or Sunday school teacher! Isn't that the way it usually goes with these types?

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Riiiight and after finding out you and your new husband are sexually

incompatible, you can live the rest of your lives screwin' other people.:eyes:

[madokie]

88. Virginity should have nothing to do with marriage, only love.

My wife and I had a fling 20 years before we married, at the time we weren't mentally compatible. 16 years now and still happy.

[TAPat]

16. Check out Tuesday's thread on this subject

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x958611

There is some really *interesting* stuff there... ;)

[Stockholm]

17. High priest?

"I, (daughter’s name)’s father, choose before God to cover my daughter as her authority and protection in the area of purity. I will be pure in my own life as a man, husband and father. I will be a man of integrity and accountability as I lead, guide and pray over my daughter and as the high priest in my home. This covering will be used by God to influence generations to come. "

:wtf:

[XemaSab]

113. A lot of these fundie types

believe that THE MAN is the spritual head of the house and it's THE MAN'S JOB to make sure all the kids and the wife are right with the Lord.

[Fleshdancer]

23. yeah. That'll work. *eyes rolling*

Instead of getting kids to pledge something they don't yet fully comprehend, maybe the parents should pledge to openly communicate and connect with their child every day so that when the time comes to make these decisions they are able to do so with confidence and understanding. Just a thought. :eyes:

[Lucy - Claire]

25. Yuck

I have no issue with the no sex before marriage pledge, I have plenty of friends that waited and are happy they did.
However these are children that are too young to know about sex...at eight I barely knew what sex was, let along virginity and pledges. If they are teenagers, who understand it and make it a personal choice it is fine. But these are little girls that are pledging that they will belong too the Dad until they are given to their husband. They are too young too even understand about sex and virginity, let alone make that kind of promise in public.... truely sickening.

[Akoto]

29. Creepy as hell.

Especially that she's making that pledge to her father. It gives me the willies. What's more, she's just a child. How can she possibly comprehend the oath that she's swearing?

I don't know about you all, but my parents didn't even want to go *anywhere* near the subject of sex with me until they had to. Mind you, I am a virgin by choice at 21. No issues with the decision to be abstinent, at all, but something about that just looks downright wrong.

[RethugAssKicker]

33. Very, very creepy... and simple-minded.

Theres a show called American Virgins, that deals with this subject.

They are supported by the Fed govt, with huge amounts of money for abstinence teaching.

[seabeyond]

34. now statistically they have found those that sign these oaths tend

to be sexually active sooner than there peers that dont sign a contract. same with the kids that go thru the dare program, tend to drink smoke and do drugs earlier and in greater number than those that dont sign an oath. i can understand the psychological of this. created a temptation. created battle with self

[Liberal Veteran]

62. I think it has less to do with temptation than the type that gravitate...

toward these things.

These are people who (for the most part) already cave to authority and pressure.

Oh look, the nice people said sex before marriage is icky and uncool....better make the pledge.
Oh look, the nice people I hang with said sex is really great and fun....better give it up for boyfriend.

[mondo joe]

66. Precisely. And once you think your body is a commodity to gain approval

and love, it's hardly a surprise that it gets used that way.

[seabeyond]

70. we are all sinners. the first thing they teach kids. the first thing out

of an adults mouth when talking about the errors of bush or any other repug, we are all sinners. though talk about a liberal or kerry or kennedy, they are going to hell. hey what happened to we are all sinners i tell my friends is that only for repugs. they all back down with that.

anyway, ... the jest. first child we are all sinners. k

second child we are all sinners, look at the 5 yr old face that tends to grow a couple horns, no way am i going to condition him that he is sinner. that is all he needs to use to fly with. not a chance. i look at him and say, sinner sinner, what sinner i see no sinner. i see lite nad beauty and joy, but no sin.

and i thought. here they condition at the youngest f age and continually say at every turn. they have to create sins to live so they can fulfill their pledge that they truly are sinners. i think this is why you have so many repugs doing wrong. claiming sinners, yet yelling a superiority. it is a universal law thing. what you yell the most about is really about you

self fulfilling

[Carni]

100. I believe it...

Doesn't it seem like the more importance they place on sex the more kids will want to rush into it?

And if they ARE going to lecture how about lecturing on the dangers of being pregnant when you are too young to be, or STD's?

I mean WTF?

[jrw14125]

35. that girl will be knocked up in 5 years. teach her sex ed you morans!

[seabeyond]

45. we did christian school, i pulled kids out. my 13 yr old niece there

they seperate now for bible class to condition the male role and female role per the bible. they bring cook young 20 something yr old girls in to say boys are creepy and bad until about 25 then, boom, they are good. boys and girls are not to toush, hug, hld hands or look at. bah hahahah. i laughed at the look at. well you can look, but nowt lllllooook. (my niece told me this one) i was at a boyscout meeting and talking about the info on sexual abuse at beginning of book and i say, look i will take care of my kids, i dont want them to have this crap. then a leader talking about guns and i say, just to let you know i dont like them. he says we will use you as target practice. i glare... he comes over and sets next to me and starts talking about as boys get older and the importance of getting girls to interact with them, and boys dont know how as teens. (i am thinking, moms, sisters, friends???? what) they have camp outs and events and will invite a girls so boys can learn to interact. now i am grossing out thinking one girl to a mob of boys, creepy. then they go on to tell me a movie monday night for parents to watch before giving to boys about pedophiles. i walked out of that meeting so sexually grossed out i felt dirty. pulled boys out about two weeks later. i could never trust these poeple with my boys.

good ole christian family values.

[NewJeffCT]

87. My thought on your posts...

When I saw that you said they brought in 20 something year old young women to speak to girls to say that boys are bad until they are 25... they're implicitly telling high schoolers to date guys that are 25 and older.

And, good luck getting any teenage boy - gay or straight - not to look, or lllloooook.

[seabeyond]

91. that was the funniest. get my 13 yr old niece not to lllloooook. n/t

[Fierce]

38. That poor kid...

with her arm around that sick man. That photo just makes me sad.

[W_HAMILTON]

41. Where does this get you?

I mean really. Sure, it's their beliefs -- fine. But really, of what consequence is it whether or not you remain a virgin till marriage? This is why I can't stand some religious people, because they have their own standard of morals, they judge YOU by their morals, and half the time, their morals make no sense anyway. Really, does taking a "sexual purity" pledge make you a better person? I just don't get it.

[Squatch]

47. I don't understand your post...

seeing as how nearly all of the respondents in this thread are judging the girl and her dad in the picture by their own morals.

It's OK if we here on DU judge them for their beliefs, but it's not OK when they judge us on ours?

[W_HAMILTON]

51. Nearly all, except the person you responded to (me)

Of course I don't agree with it, and think it's a little creepy as well, but I made no mention of what my personal beliefs were regarding the matter. I asked a serious question, and that is why do some people think you will be a better person if you remain a virgin till you are married?

[Squatch]

53. Of course you did...twice!

"I made no mention of what my personal beliefs were regarding the matter"

First time: "is why I can't stand some religious people..."

Second time: "I don't agree with it, and think it's a little creepy as well"

:eyes:

[W_HAMILTON]

58. Yeah, in my FOLLOW-UP post

Not once in my original post did I say that they don't have a right to do as they please when it comes to their religious beliefs. I simply said that I can't stand religious people that try to enforce their beliefs onto other people that don't believe as them, namely me. If commenting about how they shouldn't force other people (that don't share their beliefs) to measure up against their own moral code is somehow enforcing MY moral code on them, then hell, guilty as charged. That's pretty much as comical as that cartoon about the Christian persecution. Apparently saying I don't approve of other people forcing their private religious beliefs onto me is somehow ME forcing my morals onto them. Okie-dokie.

As for the comment about it being creepy, yes, I felt the need to post my personal opinion since I'd rather state that myself than have you assume it for me.

[Jigarotta]

128. NOT THE GIRL, her Dad. get that straight, will ya? nt

[gollygee]

43. That little girl is too young to understand what she's talking about

There's no way she can truly pledge that at that age because she hasn't hit puberty and has no idea what sexual desire is.

[gatorboy]

48. Yes, the women SHOULD be pure...

The men on the other hand...

[Jigarotta]

129. the men, the testers and lawmakers of purity. gak. nt

[mondo joe]

50. Right. Stay a virgin by thinking your body belongs to someone else.

First your daddy, then your husband.

What a barf-fest.

How about teaching her that her body belongs to HER and she should honor that by only doing what she WANTS to do with it.

[MissB]

59. Isn't she a little young to be learning about sex?

[seabeyond]

72. exactly. the words should not be coming out of her lips in her purity

they talk sexual purity as they are the ones to contaminate. she was pure. the thought wasnt there. they planted it for her

[Fleshdancer]

79. I don't think she's too young to learn about sex

but it's manipulative to have someone this young take a pledge like this IMO. Her father should know better.

[AzDar]

61. Two words: Joe Simpson... *shudder*. n/t

[eyesroll]

76. When I was 9 or so, I assumed I'd be a virgin until I got married because

1. I thought boys were icky.
2. I knew the mechanics of reproduction, but nobody told me it was fun or felt good, and it never crossed my mind that you would want to do that if you didn't want a baby.

My parents never did tell me I was supposed to wait until I was married -- that was never their expectation. I got a lot of "wait until you're ready" and "this can KILL YOU if you do it indiscriminately and without protection" but marriage never really came into the picture.

[mondo joe]

80. That's OFTEN the missing thing in sex ed: no one tells you it feels good

or that you'll WANT to do it.

It's easy to say you won't do something at the time in your life when it's reppulsive. So many kids are poorly prepared for the reality of all those hormones.

[madokie]

93. Now that to me is good parents

[Carni]

82. No that is just friggin whacked!

Why is a child THAT age even being harped on about sex?

Is that her Father?

This is too twisted for me--

[seabeyond]

84. about ever woman is bothered by this picture, too young, father

standing in from of people? talking about sex.

just creepy.

do guys get it?

[Carni]

95. I have a picture of my own Father being involved in that lol

You would have heard the sonic boom as he ran from the scene and the air would have been blue with expletives (both from me and him lol)

I don't care what anyone says that ceremony is WEIRD!

[seabeyond]

97. my dad wouldnt have been to comfortable either. lol lol n/t

[Carni]

103. Mine would flee at the sight of feminine product commercials LMAO

It was actually pretty hilarious--we used to rib him unmercifully.

[seabeyond]

104. yup. i have talked to dad about this just lately

a brother being inappropriate with sexuality with kids, in our open. not abse by any means. but just the participation in the kids experience. and i told my father how i liked it just fine he stay out of my sexuality. that he was so respectful of me. gave me an importance sense of self and a good role model in male to pick a husband, the respect he showed me as his daughter. he got a huge pat on back.

[madokie]

90. Thanks for this post, I haven't had this much fun since, well

[seabeyond]

94. yesterdays rape threads?

i say that in oh what...... jsut seems to be a theme here of late. on the pig male. along with the dude in okl putting sign in yard 1000 for virgin girl 12-24

[madokie]

96. I guess we just have to face the fact there is a lot of wacko's in this

world.

[seabeyond]

98. yup. and truly. truly.... know it was in past. but seems so much more

today

[lectrobyte]

92. Wonder if that Daddy makes his sons

take the same pledge?

[Carni]

102. No--that's probably the spread your seed far and wide ceremony

What a double standard with these loons--always has been one and if they contiune to have their way... there always WILL BE!

[mondo joe]

99. As the dad of 2 preteen daughters, I have only 2 concerns about

their pending sex lives:

1. STDs/Unwanted pregnancy - solution: make sure they are well educated about prevention and self care.

2. Being pressured to do something they don't want to do - solution: cultivate their sense of ownership over their own bodies.

Guys like the creep in the OP story make me sick.

[Jigarotta]

131. just one daughter here.

Tried my best to educate her in the ways of the world. that's all I can do. She is a free person and well educated in lifestuff, but, no matter what, I will always love her, unconditionally and would not turn my back on her because of her sometimes inconvenient gender and the responsibilities she holds.

[BrownOak]

106. Wow, all I got was a fly fishing rod...

To be fair though, it was an RL Winston rod which is pretty damn slick.

[LibDemAlways]

107. The "pledge" was more than likely written by some old guy

whose got a big stash of porn under the bed. Pledges like this are meaningless because kids are coerced by adults to recite them.

I remember when I was being confirmed in the Catholic Church back in 7th grade and somebody cooked up a "pledge" everyone was required to stand up and recite stating that we wouldn't drink alcohol until we turned 21. It was ridiculous. Declaring something off limits just makes it more tempting.

[jukes]

114. you think that pledge

includes pulsating shower-heads?




:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

115. Holy fucking crap. If THAT isn't objetification of women, nothing is. -nt

[iconoclastNYC]

116. Crappy gift.

How many virgins are good in bed?

[bumblebee1]

117. Cute little girl

However, I don't see an electrical cord hanging out of her butt.

[Initech]

121. Well... so much for the 19th amendment, right?

That is some seriously creepy shit.

[Jigarotta]

122. how old is the girl in that photo?

7 or so?
how did Dad explain to her what 'sexually pure' is?

heebie jeebie time.

[mitchum]

130. Damn! That's better than a blender AND a toaster, but also really sick

women = chattel = sick

[BlueStorm]

132. Yeah I see this as creepy as well...

The poor girls don't understand fully what it is that they are pledging too and I'll bet by the time that they are teens they would have forgotten about it.

I would encourage my daughters around the time of puberty to abstain from sex but I would also educate them about contraceptives in case they do decide to do it.

Blue