Bush Just Handed Us The Keys to Congress.

[mattclearing]

Now, whenever Republicans attempt to drag our candidates into the mud, we can campaign against Karl Rove.

Campaigning against President Bush works, but Rove's approval rating is even lower.

And he is undeniably a reputedly dirty campaigner.

Rove's departure to focus on elections nationalizes this race in a way that Democratic proposals never could.

We can now campaign against the politics of personal destruction whenever the Republicans try to impeach our candidates' credentials.

"Karl Rove would have you believe that (fill in your Democratic candidate here) is (fill in your smear). These attacks are the desperate flailings of those whose policies have failed the American people time and again."

Rinse, and repeat.

[eek]

1. i doubt he gives a rat's about his approval rating

that wouldn't hinder his Chief of Dirty Tricks work.

[400Years]

6. where not concerned about his feelings, but rather the voters feelings

the point isn't to upset rove, the point is to deflect his attacks.

[bdamomma]

2. karl rove

repeating and repeating to catapult the propaganda.

[kevinmc]

3. I don't think Rove will be around ......

Grand Jury Hears Evidence Against Rove


Thursday 20 April 2006

Just as the news broke Wednesday about Scott McClellan resigning as White House press secretary and Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove shedding some of his policy duties, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald met with the grand jury hearing evidence in the CIA leak case and introduced additional evidence against Rove, attorneys and other US officials close to the investigation said.

The grand jury session in federal court in Washington, DC, sources close to the case said, was the first time this year that Fitzgerald told the jurors that he would soon present them with a list of criminal charges he intends to file against Rove in hopes of having the grand jury return a multi-count indictment against Rove.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042006Z.shtml

[mattclearing]

12. All the more reason to use him as a poster boy. n/t

[Justice Is Comin]

15. Hat in the air.

:woohoo:

I hadn't heard that but I was predicting it ever since the verdict came down in the Ryan trial. That was no coincidence. And that was no reshuffling.

They're moving Rove to the curb because everybody in that White House is wearing diapers right now that Fitz is back in town.

:woohoo:

[derby378]

4. I wish I could be that optimistic...

Karl Rove didn't get where he is today by overestimating the intelligence of the average right-wing voter.

All he had to do in 2004 was play the "gay marriage" card to hand Democrats a thundering defeat. 9/11 wasn't working, and neither was Iraq, so he kept that card tucked away just in case. And it paid off.

[ellenfl]

11. no, all he had to do in 2004 was rig the ballot box.

as someone on russia once said . . . "it's not the vote that counts, it's who counts the votes".

ellen fl

[derby378]

13. That wasn't Rove's job - that was Diebold's

And they served their neo-con masters quite well, especially in Ohio.

[rocktivity]

5. Demoted, my donkey.

You think he's going to let some flunky run things for him? He's simply delegates his duties--on the surface, that is.

:headbang:
rocknation

[havocmom]

7. Better yet: Campaign on the issues!

The GOP has control of 2/3 of the branches of government and an arguable death grip on the last third. The nation is in horrible condition and getting worse by the day. The GOP can't run on the issues nor can it run on its record. Talk ISSUES, offer alternative to the course they have put us on.

Campaigning against Rove is playing into their hands and making it about personalities. And that particular personality is not running for anything.

Run against the GOP candidates, not their gurus. Expose the gurus, for sure, but make the campaign about the issues and GOP failures to address them constructively.

[mattclearing]

9. We should do both.

They will.

[havocmom]

17. Rove isn't running for anything.

Possibly from justice, but he is not what we campaign against. He is who we investigate and probably prosecute.

I did mention we keep an eye on him. But he is NOT the biggest issue. We need to work the real issues facing America and Americans. Cult of personality is part of what got us into this mess. Time to stick to campaigns of substance and show that there IS a difference between the parties.

Oh, and work for honest elections. Put energy where it counts instead of falling into traps set by the man you think we should be campaigning against.

Rove isn't a candidate. Make it about the candidates and their stands on the issues. Make Rove an non-event. He only creates reality if we play along. Nobody wins that game.

[leftstreet]

24. Agree. The average voter has never heard of Karl Rove

The Dems need to talk issues.

[Sparkman]

14. 2/3 of the branches of government? Scotus selected Bush in 2000, 3/3 !

[elehhhhna]

8. he's being distanced at the last minute, but prior to his indictment

[mattclearing]

10. We'll see.

Perhaps so. If that's the case, it's even more reason to put him up as a poster boy.

[Senator]

16. To "nationalize" Rove, Dems should be asking why he's Taxpayer-Funded ?!?

If he's doing nothing now but electioneering, why's he still on the dole?

--
www.january6th.org

[mattclearing]

22. An excellent question. n/t

[OregonBlue]

18. Rove is using dirty politics to try to keep his own ass out of jail.

I think that every time they start with the "the Dems will go after the president if they are elected", the Dems need to come back with the fact that they are using that political ploy to keep the likes of Rove and _______________, _______________, ______________(fill in the blanks, the list could be endless)out of jail. Turn it away from the President and VP and start pointing out how many corporate wrongdoers, crooked Repug reps and Senators and corpora tate scoundrels and thieves they are trying to cover for. Yes, the dems will go after the contractors and corporate insiders that are stealing from the American people and if that includes some Republican politicians, so be it. If they're not breaking the law, they have nothing to worry about.

[peacetalksforall]

19. Karl is a gift to us. His manipulative, no limit dirty work mind is well

known. But we can take legal revenge and move faster. If he makes an untrue claim, Dems need to point to his history while they get to work in a coordinated way to expose him, refute him, fight him, and demand face time. No more Mr. Nice Guy - don't make a fuss Dem. Dems can no longer back away, back down, or flip and deny what they say and or what needs to be said. Dems need cautious aggression to fight him off.


Roves' dirty tricks are also in book form. He is now known as the man whose tricks are worse than Atwater. Rove carries his history in plain sight.

At the same time, he will be lethal. Though it goes without saying, Dems have got to be ultra careful of break-ins, packages with tapes, infiltration, and probably untold new tricks. His reputation is on the line. Saving the House will be a dire objective.

[alfredo]

20. So is Rove doing partisan polical work using our tax dollars?

We should make that an issue.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. I've been thinking about this for some time.

And I'm beginning to think that maybe the right thing to do in this election is not go after Bush. His approval numbers are dismal, but not everybody out there thinks of him the way we do. I think there's still a large contingent out there who feel that he's basically a good guy who's made some bad decisions. They don't approve of his performance, but they still like him. The same is not true of his advisors. I wasn't thinking so much about campagining against Rove as I was against Rummy, and especially Cheney. People hate Cheney. And I think there's a lot of mileage to be gained out of campaining for a return of Democrats to Congress as a bulwark against the crazier elements of the Bush regime. This also has the added benefit of diminishing Bush's perceived authority by casting a harsh light on exactly how much power people like Cheney have.

[mattclearing]

23. Agreed.

Cheney's approval rating is terrible, as is Rumsfeld's. Bush gets sympathy for the office, if nothing else. Not true of the others.