Self delete. I give up.

[FormerRepublican]

Poll question: Self delete. I give up.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. I don't think one can regard "DU" as a monolithic "it"

that is one way or the other. I often see posts that are very hostile and objectifying toward women. We have rules that say "sexist" language is against the rules. If you see a poster calling a woman a "ho" or the like, hit the alert...early and often.

There are posts that objectify women and posters with less than flattering opinions of either sex...it's a debate site...take them on

[baby_mouse]

2. There is certainly SOME.

It mostly seems to be a an anti-feminism thing. I do think there are a couple of ball-breakers out there that could with a sense of humour, though. There, that's nice and vague...

:hide:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. Perhaps if men left their "balls" out of debates where they

had no business, they wouldn't get so injured ;)

[baby_mouse]

24. Not unfair, darling...

Some of us do really seem to dangle them out their pants for a whacking... :D Not me.

XXX

[BoneDaddy]

37. Does the same thing

apply to you? With a statement like that you just fuel the fire... time to be intellectually consistent.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

42. I don't think humor and intellectual consistency are mutually

exclusive. What was lacking?

[BoneDaddy]

53. That was humor????

Wow, you ever meet someone who says something offensive and then backs out of it by saying "I was just kidding". We know they were not. That is the impression I have when I read that. I could be wrong, however.

Gee I wonder how many women would find that offensive if I referred to their ovaries as being the problem with their ego? I doubt many would. In fact, I would most likely be slammed.

Nice try.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

55. The post prior to me said some can be ballbusters

My response was in complete context to that post. I didn't say I was "just kidding". I stand by my statement. I said I was using humor to make a point. I made no general statement toward ALL men...only those that use their "balls" as a frame of reference for debate. If it pleases you, I would feel the same way about a woman using similar phraseology.

I won't be available to respond to your next contrarian reply...so go ahead...bust my "girlnads!"

[BoneDaddy]

61. Fair enough

but your ovaries are hidden, we just hang out there... I protest, hehe.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. I have not seen outirght hostility. One possibility is that

somethings might have been posted which could unintentionally rub some people the wrong way.

[Zorra]

4. There have been some posts made by guys that just don't get it,

but the majority of guys at DU pretty much understand that women are still struggling to be treated as equal to men in our society and the world in general.

[MissB]

5. Your poll questions suck. DU is not hostile towards women.

Your poll questions do not seek to answer the question you asked in your title.

There are certainly a few posters on DU that are hostile towards women.

[wtbymark]

6. DU is a server

skinner and the mods seem nice

as for me - I love women, I really do. Muah :loveya:

[ContraBass Black]

7. DU is hostile to everyone

If you want to lump attribution to a monolithic voice.

[onenote]

8. Are DU posters hostile to women: yes and no - pointless poll

Some are hostile to women, some arent.
Some are hostile to men, some aren't
Some are hostile to Christians, some aren't
Some are hostile to Jews, some aren't
Some are hostile to DLC members, some aren't
Some are hostile to Green Party members, some aren't


I could go on and on, but it would be as big a waste of time as this poll.

onenote

[Kber]

10. DU can (sometimes) be a bit hostile

but I think we are generally equal opportunity offenders. But I've never been overly sensitive and don't take individual posts or opinions as indictive of the whole community.

For every post that is offensive to women, or religion, or whatever, there are always passionate defenders too.

[greyl]

11. Lousy, lousy poll. nt

[underpants]

12. Having questions about the Duke rape case doesn't make you hostile

towards women.

Oh BTW- I heard that what might have happened was that they tried to not pay her and she yelled rape. I was told that by someone with some links into ACC sports. Take it for what it is worth.

[bloom]

18. Someone else

posted that it supposed to be some variety of a "pig party". Someone with connections to Durham.

Take that for what it's worth.


(I don't think she would have had the injuries if she just didn't get paid).

[underpants]

22. I don't either

but I don't know what happened so I am just sitting back and watching.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. If you go by individual posts, DU is hostile to everyone and everything.

You can find posts to support any contention that you want about DU. DU is hostile to Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, men, women, children, homosexuals, heterosexuals, vegetarians, meateaters, and supporters of every concievable presidential candidate.

The question is meaningless.

[leftofthedial]

14. what a crappy poll

DU is hostile--and friendly--to nearly every non-repuke group there is.

has there ever been a DU post hostile to women? of course.
is DU systematically hostile to women? of course not.

[BiggJawn]

15. Rob is a Ding-Bat

I've seen "hostility" to every group under the sun. We're only Human, after all, M-kay?

[greyl]

16. Even after your edit, it's a damn shitty poll. nt

[FormerRepublican]

17. Why? Please explain.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. It could do with other 'no' answers

Such as "No, hostility by a very few members does not add up to an overall hostility". The only 'no' option you give implies that there is never any hostility towards women at all, by anyone.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. It's a "your either with us or against us" poll and is impossible

to answer accurately. It calls for binary reasoning.

[TahitiNut]

44. 01001010 01001011 00100000 01001101 01001000 01001001 01001110 00100001

:dunce:

[bloom]

49. But maybe that is exactly what she wanted to know

Is DU with women (us) or against women (us).


Doesn't hurt to ask.


For instance - I feel like DU is more with women than against women when they tombstone people who like to express their hatred of women.

[TahitiNut]

51. Who's "DU"? You? Me? Both? Neither? Skinner? Mods? Admin?

:shrug: :eyes:

[bloom]

56. Since she posted a poll

I expect she wanted to know what DUers in general think.

And if DUers in general were more "for women than against women" - then that would obviously be a good thing.

Or maybe she just wanted people to think about how women might be feeling like DU is not always as women-friendly as it might be.


And maybe if there was enough consensus that DU could think about being more women friendly - there would be more of a likelihood that people who posted things that seemed esp. misogynist would get banned.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

52. I think the rules make that pretty clear

I doubt the alert is being used enough or being used in a manner which makes the nature of the violation clear to the mods. For the record, I didn't perceive that to be the question. I thought she was asking if the community, not the administration was with women based on the wording of the poll answers. Perhaps I misinterpreted. :shrug:

[MissB]

21. He/she is right. Your poll still sucks.

You've revised your question to read, "Are you seeing enough posts hostile to women to make DU overall seem hostile to women?"

The first option is, "Yes, I've seen posts hostile to women on DU." Given a couple of assholes on DU, yes, we've all seen posts that are hostile towards DU. However, that doesn't answer your question of, "Are you seeing enough posts hostile to women to make DU overall seem hostile to women?".

If you make the poll questions actually fit the main question, then your poll wouldn't suck light quite so hard.

[greyl]

31. What they said :)

and add that you didn't change the meaninful part of the OP title.

[porphyrian]

23. I reject the premise of this poll.

You seem to be trying to prove that DU is hostile to women rather than asking a question.

"DU" isn't hostile at all. It is just a medium, the facilitator for thousands of people to hold public conversation.

The people who post on DU represent a fairly broad spectrum, most of which are neutral if not friendly to women.

Some of the posts on DU are sexist, both against women and against men. Recently, the rape conversations have uncovered a number of unresolved issues, sensitive feelings and unpopular ideas. Not all of these are sexist, but some are.

People who are sensitive to sexism sometimes see it where it isn't, and people who are insensitive to sexism sometimes say sexist things without meaning to. That doesn't make these people bad, just human.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. HELL no.

I have been told by people here flat-out that sexism against men a) does not exist, b) is an oxymoron, an c) is okay.

The rape threads are getting beyond tiresome, and frankly, they're now being used as a broad brush to bash all men, or at least those who disagree with the poster.

We appear to all agree that rapists are serious criminals who, once the allegation is proven, deserve serious punishment, but that doesn't seem to be enough, somehow. I somehow doubt if all men were to accept blame on behalf of the entire gender for the actions of the criminals, would the atonement be sufficient. "Society's role in promulgating... bla bla bla"

The conversation has degenerated into an asinine semantic argument over whether rape involves sex. Personally, I'd take the dictionary's word for it.

Bah! Make it stop! There are bad guys out there to slay, why the goddamn internicine fighting?

We don't really have two parties, we have four, 1) the Republicans 2) the pro-labor Democrats 3) the gender feminist Democrats 4) the environmentalist Democrats. Sadly, before we even reach the finish line, our coalition seems to be unraveling. It's worse than "the People's Judean front" sketch, and a hell of a lot less funny.

:argh:

[yurbud]

26. is the poll intentional satire? nearly all the options are vague feelings

I think there are some differences between how men and women view sex and rape that are worth discussing, and disagreeing about those isn't necessarily "anti-woman."

[greyl]

35. That, too.

"I can't explain it" and "I just feel that way" ?

[KitchenWitch]

27. I do not think DU is hostile towards women, but

there are DUers who have made posts that are hostile to women. That said, there are also members that have made posts hostile to gays, people of color, men, and even caucasians.

[greyl]

38. You forgot "men" for some reason. nt

[KitchenWitch]

41. Sorry, an oversight

forgiven?

[greyl]

45. Hmmm. Only if

you remove everyone from your ignore list that you added to it within the past 48 hours because of Dook.
:)

[KitchenWitch]

47. LOL - already did!

I am too fucking curious!

;)

[greyl]

48. It's settled, then. :)

:toast:

[KitchenWitch]

50. ...

:toast:

I still feel a little raw though.

[On the Road]

28. Bit of a Push Poll, No?

[Atman]

29. This is LUDICROUS

DU is a message board on which a bunch of people share thoughts and ideas, and comment on the news and politics of the day. Some people who post on said message boards are hostile to women, some are hostile to men, some are hostile to pets, some aren't hostile to anybody.

But threads like this, questions like this...they certainly do help to stir the pot and bring the nastiness to the forefront. I'm getting pretty tired of them, personally. PERSONALLY. But I'll probably get flamed anyway, and pointed to as being "what is wrong with DU" or something.

:eyes:

Don't we have a Congress to win back or something important like that?

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[yurbud]

32. this is the rarest of beasts at DU: a "PC" thread about hurt feelings

and ideas so sacred they should be beyond question.

In a free society, every idea should be open to debate.

If it has a basis in fact, it should survive any rough handling.

But you can't just say "this is true, and I'll be offended if anyone disagrees."

I'm not even sure if that sentiment is real, or a right wing straw man to make the idea defended with that tactic seem silly.

[BoneDaddy]

33. First of all

I think that with 80,000 posters on DU it would be hard not to find experiences where a few men have been hostile to women.

That said, my experience as a man is that I have found the reverse to be more true. I have met extreme hostility from some women who have either misread my post, assumed I was talking about something different or just simply shot from the hip without thinking or just have such anger they do not know how to dialogue. In all cases where civil dialogue was able to occur, most with the exception of a few situations have been able to be amicably resolved.

I think this post begs a more serious question and issue. The issue I see revolves are the gap of understanding that exists between men and women.

Patriarchy, inequality, sexual roles, familial history, traumatic history, have all influenced us.

But truth be told if I run into a post where a woman is attacking men in general, I will usually call that person on it. We do not accept stereotypes, generalities or absolutes regarding any other group, why is it acceptable to bash men?

The vast majority of men I have encountered on this board and I include myself in this identify and support feminist ideals of equality, empowerment and work hard to sustain those ideals in the world. That is why it can be so frustrating to see anti-female rhetoric on these boards as well as anti-male rhetoric.

[aikoaiko]

36. Nope, but some of us are big time hand-wringers.

[rucky]

39. I voted the first one because the wording is so incredibly skewed

just to invalidate the obvious bias of the OP and the false dichotomy presented.

[sui generis]

40. sexist question

I've also seen some überfeminists here go apeshit on people for no other reason than being a guy and attempting to contribute to a conversation.

This street has two lanes.

If DU was "hostile to women", there would be women bashing threads here. You wouldn't have to read between the lines.

[bloom]

54. überfeminists

You seem to have it in for feminists.


What's with the "überfeminist" nonsense. It sounds dismissive just like Rush and his feminazi crap.

[greyl]

43. Well, at least you exited gracefully. :) nt

[Catrina]

46. Wedge issue. Political operatives are taking note that threads on this

subject have gotten more posts, (one got nearly 500) than the threads on the subjects that really count. If this administration wins the midterms, no personal issue will even be debated.

I predict that the Duke rape story will get media saturation this summer, because it has now been noted that 'liberals' will be easily distracted by it and will spend endless hours fighting with each other over their individual sensitivities.

Personally I think people need to develop thicker skins on all sides. This is a tough world, with people starving, getting shot at and bombed, losing their homes, still searching for the bodies of their loved ones in a major US city where they have left to rot. I would love to see a thread with over 500 posts expressing outrage over that one, but that topic is lucky if it gets 20 posts whenever it pops up, which is pretty rare.

To those who have lost loved ones in this insane war, and with the prospect of a real Mushroom cloud looming, the question of whether 'rape is about sex, is sex, or has nothing to do with sex' seems pretty trivial to me.

Maybe the poll should ask 'Are Duers too wrapped up in their own selfish little pet peeves to even care about matters of real importance? That's the question I've been asking myself lately.

[Beelzebud]

57. Great post!

/me cheers!

:)

You said it much better than I could.

[fishnfla]

58. K&R on this post alone

word

[bloom]

59. I assume you are not among the more than 100 rape victims.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x964818


How nice for you.

[VelmaD]

60. Sorry I missed the actual poll...

but I find the rections on this thread pretty illuminating. A bunch of people don't seem to want to believe that some women find this place hostile sometimes.

It's like why fish don't know they're wet...we swim in such a sea of misogyny that most of the time most people don't even register the fact that it's there...it's too ubiquitous.

[LeftCoast]

62. Locking

The original post has been removed. No more topic to discuss. :shrug: