From a U.S. Navy Chief's Mouth:This Country is Going to Hell

[true_notes]

In a conversation with this ultra-conservative Navy Chief (albeit he's one hell of a good guy) I meandered on the decadence of the Roman Empire and how it our current plight is similar to theirs.

At first it was hard to get any words out of him, but he finally let me know his opinions. What he said was wise, unbiased, and to the point.

"This nation is going to hell. I'll say that because everything is coming to a climax of fear, violence and paranoia in this nation. When you have that mixture, you have the slow slide downhill in a culture, one that creates chaos and misunderstanding in the people we are meant to trust."

He added further-

"This country is going to hell because we have lost that faith, and our traditions as Americans. I think this country is doomed to fail within the next 50-100 years."

I can see his point being with him being all hard-core conservative. I agreed to the point to where he said "We need mandatory church" and that's when I cut the conversation off.

Just thought I would share his insight.

Peace all
True_Notes

[Erika]

1. This is so sad but so true

W's pre-emptive strike policies against innocent countries and his tax cuts for the wealthy while cutting programs for the needy for a hand up has pretty well wiped out what America once stood for.

He and his supporters did it all.

[NEOBuckeye]

2. You won't have to wait 50-100 years for a US "collapse"

Try 5 to 10.

[KyuzoGator]

8. When the dollar collapses...which will be within the decade.

nt

[PublicWrath]

3. "need mandatory church"?

He's spotting some symptoms accurately, he's wrong about the disease and its cure.

BTW, of whom was he speaking when he said "chaos and misunderstanding in people we are meant to trust"?

[uppityperson]

4. Raise your kids to be world citizens

because that is what we are and they will be. Flexibility will help also. My 80ish father says the same thing. Peace.

[Erika]

6. Yes. our country no longer exists

as a singular entity. That is gone, for all time.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. Or.. We can stop it.

The Sheeple are waking up, or at least smelling that whiff of shit in the air.

Do we let America die, or do we fight to get it back? Will we fight to preserve it, or participate in the downfall?

There's a choice to be made.

[Erika]

10. China owns most of our debt now.

Their was a joke which said "America is the super power" but the Chinese responded "but we are the repo man".

That's what W has done to this country. W has no hand to play against this country. He sold us out. We seem only now to comprehend how W has weakened us. We're going to tell the Chinese to do what, when they are our banker?

[lvx35]

7. The church thing is important

Of course we don't need a mandatory church, but I have talked to conservatives about this, and I feel their point. To them (the good hearted ones) church is the place where people come together as a community, in one spirit, and it has nothing to do with money or intoxication or anything, just community and togetherness of the people. To the idea that we need that, I COMPLETELY agree. We have been really torn apart in this country by nonsense, and f we could start talking and getting together things would be much better. We are trying to play only knowing half the game, and losing.

[Erika]

11. The GOP church is what threw us off.

How about meeting at a library or YMCA?

[lvx35]

13. ANYTHING would be better than what we have.

YMCA, library, back alley, anything if we could center on a sense of community and acceptance.

[seabeyond]

9. bitchin about loss of american tradition, then mandatory church

couldnt lose the basis to american tradition anymore than demanding all attend church. do i haev to give 10% of my income to the official mandatory church. or can we chose our own religion. which ones are allowed.

[Erika]

12. Ask the GOP

They've taken the role of the religious party.

[izzie]

14. Many have said we passed our top place in the world

Does not up-set me as no one stays on top long and we have history books to point that out. It is interesting that those ideals that came to gether in our founding fathers has made a pass world wide with many even using our July 4th date. Even if the ideals came from Europe and Am. Indian thinking their must be a lot of good in it to have changed the world. Good that we had such men trying so hard to make some thing new. I think what is really going on is others are getting like us more than we are just going down hill. This is hardly the world I knew after WW2 when I was going in to my teen years. My life is a lot better and the country is better but so are many other countries. I frankly see Bush and Co, as trying to un-do a lot of this and that is why I am so wild about what he is doing. I just do not think the country wants to go back wards to times that were not better.