Joementum was once our number two guy

[mdmc]

For win, lose, or draw, Joementum was our man in 2000. When I think of how much of a bush kisser he is, I still must remind myself that he is on our side and is fighting our fight.

Joementum represents the side of the party that I detest, the "wing" that Sen. Bob Graham once deemed the "electable" wing of the party. Joementum is from the triangulate, non liberal side of our party.

In a world where Dems are now talkin that they are "pro-life":eyes:, we are going to need rat worms like Joementum.

Bottom line - Any elected dem is better then the GOP candidate that ran against them. Since "the other side" (the GOP) will always work to kill the working class and working poor, we are always going to be better off with non-liberal dems. Dems are almost always better then the republican.

I would love to have a true progressive liberal Democratic party. I would love a platform that stood for fair trade, ending the drug war, removing nuclear war as an option of international action, ending the death penalty, universal health care, free education for all, fair immigration, fair bankruptcy law. I would love a party that rejected preemption as a military strategy.

I would love those things. However, if the Dems are not on board, I will take the dems, as is. They will always be "the lesser of two evils". Sometimes this will have to be enough.

[MisterP]

1. "number two guy"? too easy

[Hardrada]

3. We have to submit insults in encrypted code these days!

[Roland99]

5. LOL!

[tatertop]

14. Yes, Joe is definitely number two! I suppose he always will be

Politically he is lower than zero.

[nashville_brook]

2. message to dnc 2008 -- triangulate toward the center-left

joementum turned off way more people than he turned on. get a clue.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

4. Joe was a product of the DLC

I don't doubt Al Gore's sincerity in his run for President, but I think he accepted a lot of bad advice. It could be that his loss was one of the best things that ever happened to him personally. He was correct and on point about almost eveything you can think of, but he got skunked by his own handlers and his own politicalness.

A great loss like his (which by the way, I don't think he lost, but at least he fought for) sent him off into his own years in the wilderness and he has emerged as a STATESMAN, not a politician. He has the seeds of the kind of greatness we are going to need in the years ahead.

[BillZBubb]

7. The seeds of greatness we are going to need in the years ahead

Amen to that! Gore is the one (and right now I think only) Democrat on the scene who has that potential greatness on display. Some others may have it--Joementum sure doesn't. But nobody has it right there for us to see like Al Gore. His tragic flaw may be his willingness to let others define him like in 2000. I hope not.

[Protagoras]

17. Reminds me of West Wing and Seaborn's run in the 47th

if that wasn't hitting the DLC nail on the head...

[Eric J in MN]

6. Joe Lieberman stabbed Gore in the back during the Florida recount,.

Lieberman said that all military ballots should be counted, and didn't use any qualifiers against military ballots mailed AFTER the Election Day.

Support Ned Lamont:
http://www.nedlamont.com/

[Warren Stupidity]

8. He was never my #2 guy.

I detested his smarmy religousity and moralism. Never liked him and never will. We do not need jomo at all. I sincerely hope he loses in the primary or better yet gets taken into the bush criminal administration. If he manages to survive the primary I of course would prefer that his senate seat stay on the D side for organizational purposes although jomo will of course vote R on the war and everything associated with the war.

[Protagoras]

19. I loved Gore and I rember falling out of my chair when Joe

was selected. I was stunned and befuddled...and to this day I still am. Because I still have a hard time believing that Gore didn't see just how lame that choice was at the time. I saw it, and every democrat I knew (and we're not talking a bunch of radicals) were all questioning it. Guess we just weren't beltway enough to understand.

[MethuenProgressive]

9. "jomentum"?

Joe Lieberman (R) Conn. - absolutely unelectable in a national election. You need the South to win a Presidental, and they just won't *ever* vote for a Jew. (Sorry Joe, but you know it's true...) Mitt Romney will run into the same sitution with the Republicans - but over there he'll be lucky to get a token floor nomination at the GOP convention.

[mdmc]

15. welcome to DU MethuenProgressive!

I think that Joementum was a term coined during the 2003 primaries to describe Lieberman's growing support.

As far as 2000 strategy, I think that the dlc thought that joementum would sweep us through Florida and Arizona. Joementum would get those jews and seniors, and especially jewish seniors, out to vote.

Joe also brought the ticket further to the center (read: right), thus made it more "electable".

I was much happier with John Edwards and John Kerry in 2004, although I like the new, liberal Gore.

[Cos]

20. Except that he had no "growing support" :)

[mdmc]

21. well, his support might not actually warranted a nickname

folks weren't "screaming" for him, the way they did for Dean (and the way Dean did for them):)

And welcome to DU to you too. peace..

[newyawker99]

25. Hi MethuenProgressive!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Ian David]

10. Ed? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

11. Nedreneline! Nedreneline! Nedreneline!

Sorry to crash.

I just think it would be a good idea if some jumped in yelling that EVERY SINGLE TIME Lieberman's name is mentioned for any reason whatsoever, in any context.

:)

[Marr]

12. I'd rather see a Republican elected than Joe Lieberman.

*Any* Dem is not better than a Republican. Joe Lieberman has done alot to enable the neocon (ie fascist) movement in this country. He's always there to put the "bi-partisan" stamp on anything the RNC wants to sell. He's always ready to define the Democratic position as something to the right of Newt Gingrich, and the cameras are always anxious to record it.

Nope. Just about anybody would be better than a Joe Lieberman.

There's one thing about "Joementum" that gives me hope; in 2000 he could actually win the VP nomination. Today, he can't even run for the Senate without Democratic opposition.

[BlooInBloo]

13. That's just idiotic. Unless one is not a democrat of course...

Does the concept "Democratic Senate Majority Leader" mean anything to you?

Does the concept "Democratic Chairs of ALL Senate Committees" mean anything to you?

Sheesh.


Does Lieberman suck ass? Definitely. Is he better than a republican? Infinitely.

Duh.

[Marr]

22. Yes, I disagree with you- terrible, I know.

If the choice is Lieberman or a Republican, I'd rather have the Republican. Lieberman pushes Republican policy, and he undermines Democrats in a way that only a mole can.

By the way- I don't appreciate your insinuation, though I can wallow in that mud with you if you like. I could say that your sort of rigid, "toe-the-line" conformity is the mark of people who are... "not Democrats"...

[Mr_Spock]

18. That's a ridiculous statement

Of course, you just said it to get attention so I won't bother arguing with you about your supposed point.

[Marr]

23. Must be nice to read minds.

You can somehow tell that- not only do I not believe my words (I do), but I only typed them to get your priceless attention (I did not). Very impressive.

[Cleita]

16. After his debate with Dick Cheney practically licking his boots,

I knew who Joementum was right then and there and got into a few flame fests with DUers who didn't think you should point out the obvious, that Joe is a DINO. Now it seems everyone has seen the light. I hope Connecticut picks someone else.

[frankenforpres]

24. fwiw, gore probably won FLA

gore probably won FLA because of joementum