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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 01:55 AM
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The Great Depression
 
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The end of the Roaring Twenties.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:40 AM
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1. wall street needs permanent heavy regulations if our economy survives their lastest........
mortgage scam. Free market capitalism does not work as the wall street criminals and their investors will always abuse the privilege.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:40 AM
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2. K&R
This is just chilling.
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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 03:03 AM
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3. (stocking up on cans of beans) - scary to watch

Wondering why they were pulling up bricks for fuel - couldn't find anything about that online - unless it was to heat up and keep near the fire to last the heat longer? Anyone have ideas?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 03:27 AM
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5. You're correct, (red) bricks can he heated and will retain heat,
Edited on Mon Dec-15-08 03:32 AM by myrna minx
like a "brick oven" for radiant heat, and it's not as finite like expensive coal, which was scarce except for the rich in the city, or usable firewood, which was your furniture, if you were so cold and desperate. After you burned your furniture, you dug up the sidewalks and streets, en masse. :(

Don't forget about the disease that took many lives too.

St. Jame's Infirmary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvr7nkd_IJM
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 05:36 AM
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9. No other sources of fuel in the city?
This footage makes me think I wouldn't want to be living in an urban area during a depression. I think it could look even worse now since manufacturing is nonexistent in most cities.

Didn't Marx say that capitalism always eventually leads to oversupply and planned destruction of commodities and manufactured goods? Seems he was right about something. We could see housing, cars and food destroyed in this crisis.

I was talking to some depression-era relatives over Thanksgiving. I mentioned that I was considering expanding my business and they looked at me like I had lost my mind. They all think things are going to get that bad again and I should be stuffing every dollar under my mattress.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 12:43 PM
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20. girl gone mad
girl gone mad

Save your money, and don't use it now, many who dit it in the 1930s was to loose anything they own.. Your old relatives have it right when they looked at you as you had lost your mind... Pleace be carefull...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 06:44 PM
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24. Thank you.
I did decide to wait and save my money. Things are just too uncertain right now.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 07:00 PM
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25. girl gone mad
girl gone mad

That is Wise I guess. In this time of ages it to much unsettling to spend to much money.. I am not rich, but I try my hardest to keep some money in the Madras.. To have something if all hell broke loose... And I am living a place where I can garden if that is the end product of things to come.. Even that the County would have something to say about it... TO plow up the lawn is maybe little "out of order". But if I have to, I would do it.. To have food on the table...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language.
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:21 AM
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19. Maybe wood pavers.....?
I once worked for Westinghouse Electric. They owned many older facilitys built around the turn of the century and up,into the 1920s. These older buildings and walkways had creosote wood pavers. I worked on a crew that tore some of these up,to be replaced with concrete.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:58 PM
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21. Red Bricks were used to make
small fire places, they retained heat.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 03:10 AM
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4. Thank you for posting.
This is the era where my own Mom grew up...the 1930's. We kids use to joke about what we called her "pathological frugality", but we don't today. While I'm the youngest and only in my thirties, my Mom was born in the Depression to an eventual a single Mom, and now all of her survival skills aren't so quaint and embarrassing. :-( My gran, who I only met an an infant (and obviously have no recollection), was a hearty Norwegian sod-buster born in 1895, and probably wouldn't recognize her own descendants, who don't even know how to make their own butter, let alone, darn a sock. It took only one generation in between to become so helpless and spoiled and that generation is me. :( I come from strong, self reliant women. My gran was born before electricity, cars, airplanes, Woman's Suffrage, and although I never knew her, and probably because I never met her, I am a spoiled, modern girl with no survival skills. It just takes one generation to lost it all. :(
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 05:35 AM
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8. My mom
throughout the rest of her life, could never abide by an empty refrigerator or pantry. She felt insecure if they weren't packed with food. My parents lived in the country where no one actually starved as everyone grew their own food, but I guess even country folks had it pretty bad when the winter food supply started to run low.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 04:49 AM
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6. And how closre are we to this again?
x(

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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 06:41 AM
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10. This close.
:(
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 05:16 AM
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7. Jumping out of windows is for wussies
In my genealogy I have one who shot himself in the head, and one who went to the basement after dinner to drink acid.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 07:00 AM
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11. Wow, that is hardcore.
Edited on Mon Dec-15-08 07:02 AM by TheEuclideanOne
Killed himself by drinking acid? Wow, not even sure what to say there. It reminded me of a Darwin award that I read a while back. I was trying to find a link to it when I came across this story that I might as well share because it is so bizarre.


At the 1994 annual awards dinner given for Forensic Science, AAFS, President Dr. Don Harper Mills astounded his audience with the legal complications of a bizarre death. Here is the story:

On March 23,1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr. Opus had jumped from the top of a ten story building intending to commit suicide. He left a note to that effect, indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window which killed him instantly.

Neither the shooter nor the descender was aware that a safety net had been installed just below at the eighth floor level to protect some building workers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had planned.

"Ordinarily," Dr. Mills continued, "a person who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended, is still defined as committing suicide."

That Mr. Opus was shot on the way to certain death, but probably would not have been successful because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on his hands. The room on the ninth floor, whence the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that when he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window, striking Mr. Opus.

When one intends to kill subject A but kills subject B in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject B. When confronted with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant. They both said they thought the shotgun was unloaded. Thed old man said it was his long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. Therefore the killing of Mr. Opus appeared to be an accident; that is, the gun had been accidentally loaded.

The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window. The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.

Original story from Darwin Awards.com
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 07:59 AM
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12. That is bizarre
Edited on Mon Dec-15-08 08:00 AM by DemReadingDU

edit - I clicked on your link - it says it is an Urban Legend


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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:25 AM
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15. True, it is an urban legend.
Apparently this was shown in "Homicide: Life on the Street". It was in Season 7, episode 21 I believe. The episode was titled either "The Why Chromosome" or "Ending Happy". I couldn't find any video for it, though. It would be fun to watch it I think. So, have I sufficiently hijacked your post? :rofl: (sorry)

Some of the comments in the story are:

Fencedude says, "I heard this story first on the TV Show "Homicide: Life on the Street.".Baltimore's Chief Medical Examener was recieving an award one episode, and proceeded to tell this story, complete with her flashbacks to this case and how she and the members of the Baltimore Homicide Unit figured out what happened. I don't know if the episode was created because of the Urban Legend, or if the Urban Legend came about because of the show, but I thought that you would like to know."

Daniel McCall says, "The comment above is incorrect. the legend FIRST appeared in the movie Magnolia."



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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:01 AM
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13. In spouse's genealogy
Edited on Mon Dec-15-08 08:04 AM by DemReadingDU
My mother-in-law's mother committed suicide around 1940 by drinking poison, only about 40 years old. Mother-in-law was just 20 when it happened.

edit
On my side, my mom had uncles who hanged themselves.

The 30's & 40's were brutal. I see bad times coming for the world in a few years.

:(
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 10:04 AM
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17. Perhaps sooner. n/t
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 08:13 AM
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14. another short video

1929 Stock Market Crash, about 9.5 minutes long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQUcoSy1yMA
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 10:02 AM
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16. about the milk and onions...and food etc
Edited on Mon Dec-15-08 10:03 AM by MrsBrady
i think they have it kinda wrong.

farmers did destroy crops sometimes, but they were doing that in protests of various kinds.
from protesting farm foreclosures to trying to keep food off the market to raise the price (they were getting screwed by the buyers).

it wasn't really because people were not buying. I mean there may have been a few cases of that, but I don't think farmers would have destroyed their crops because people weren't "buying." Food was never wasted, NEVER!

My mother's family, my great-grandfather...had a farm in the Oklahoma/Texas panhandle border.
They lived through the dust bowl days. When his wheat and other crops came though, he sold them.
They lived the entire year off the crop money.
Believe me. No farmer would have destroyed any kind of food unless there was some political agenda.
My grandmother told me that her mother would make clothes out of potato and flour sacks. Nothing was wasted. Nothing.
A direct quote from my grandmother: "If not for the genius, ingenuity, and hard work of my mother, we would have never survived."
and another: "Oh, if my mother could have only had all the household conveniences we enjoy today. She had a hard life and worked non stop."

Makes me feel like a lazy ass. We have no idea how hard it was to live out there then.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 11:11 AM
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18. Here's a link about the milk protests

It did have something to do with a political agenda than people not buying.


Radical Farm Protests
After four years of economic depression, farmers across the country were looking for new, and sometimes radical solutions to their problems. Nebraska was the center for some of the most radical events, and the movement culminated in violence at Loup City.

As early as 1932, some farmers were trying to raise agricultural prices by physically keeping produce off of the market. The theory was that if farmers could reduce the supply, demand would rise and prices would rise in response.

In Iowa and Nebraska, a group known as the Farm Holiday movement built road blocks on the highways leading to the agricultural markets in Omaha, Sioux City and Des Moines. They dumped milk into ditches. They turned back cattle. But the blockades weren't effective, and police eventually opened the roads.

In Madison County in northeast Nebraska, angry farmers organized into the Madison County Plan. They were credited with inventing the penny auction idea. As the Depression continued, some in Madison County began listening to a fiery Communist organizer, "Mother" Ella Reeve Bloor. Mother Bloor had come to the Midwest to build alliances between urban workers and radical farmers. Throughout 1933 and '34, she spoke often in Nebraska, from Madison County to Loup City and Grand Island in the central part of the state.

In February 1933, thousands of farmers marched on the new capitol building in Lincoln demanding a moratorium on all farm foreclosures. The Legislature responded within a month and halted foreclosure sales for two years. However, they allowed district judges to decide how long a foreclosure could be postponed or to order the proceedings to go forward anyway. Radical farmers were furious when the first test case ended with the judge ordering a sale to go forward.

more...
http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/money_11.html
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 05:55 PM
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22. Depressing doom and gloom
We also grew up around grandparents who lived through the depression, frugal they were those still living still are.
I predicted that * would run 'win' and ruin our country, as I had been snooping around the edges of the * crime family after Geo Wallace told me they made the mob look like church deacons.
I had lived next door to the gov mansion in Montg Al for a while and would talk to him over the fence and go to occasional parties there.
We lived in fort Lauderdale (20 years) and our ballots were
shredded in the 2000 election.
I nor anyone I know voted for jebbie either, that smelled. So my 'prediction' was a sort of educated guess.
When my partner lost his job, we had been trying to build a business. We had enough saved to get through about 6 months, we ended up with enough if we sold all we could to get through a couple months and my disability check does not go far. We had someone steal from us most of our savings beware of your accountant and bing nice to house guests.
So we had yard sales, moved to a small apartment. Still the job market for his speciality was slim.
We ended up moving to NC as it was cheaper and we were sure that we would be seeing a depression, 9 months still no job came thru. Then He did find a job making about 1/2 of previously job.
We regrouped and felt pretty sure that the economy would take a hit some time soon that was 4 years ago. So we started looking for a place in the country. We found a very good deal. We have been here almost 2 years. We thought it would hit last year.
We are planting orchard trees as we can afford them, put in a garden and are about 8 miles from the nearest small town and 30 from a city.
We expect the worst. I was told on here that we were all doom and gloom a few months ago.
The reason I say so is that others can try to get their shit together and get out of the city,
gather beans and rice and heirloom veggie seeds. I was not trying to be doom and gloom I was trying to help.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 06:38 PM
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23. in IRAQ the bricks are torn out and used for shoes... and thrown at Bush...
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