Rick Warren scandal gets weirder - attacks critics as Christophobes

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Raw Story reports on Rachel's calling Flop Sweat and Jowls on the carpet:

Christophobia? Rick Warren scandal 'getting weirder': MaddowDavid Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Wednesday December 24, 2008


MSNBC's Rachel Maddow believes that the uproar over Barack Obama's selection of Pastor Rick Warren to deliver his inaugural invocation might have been subsiding by now, except that Warren himself -- very much like Reverend Jeremiah Wright last spring -- has stirred things up again with a video address in which he accuses his critics of being "Christophobes."

"Not only it is getting worse," commented Maddow, "it's getting weirder."

In the 22 minute message to his congregation placed on his website last Sunday, Warren first denied ever "equating gay partnership with incest and pedophilia" -- which Maddow quickly disproved with a clip of him doing just that -- and then went on to attack his critics for their "false accusations, attacks, outright lies, and hateful slander, and really a lot of hate speech."

"It's what I would call 'Christophobia.'" Warren concluded. "People who are afraid of any Christian."

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Warren has twisted this all around as if to reject Warren and his hateful views is to reject Christ.
I.E "Reject Warren = Reject Christ" according to old flop sweat and jowls.

[polichick]

1. Here's Obama's out, if he can't just say he made a mistake.

[zipplewrath]

8. I would be refreshing

If Obama could just admit that he made a mistake. He could declare that he was trying to achieve something that unfortunately was beyond the reach of the people involved and un-invite this jackass and move on. I'm afraid that is a level of "change" that even Obama can't achieve.

[davefromqueens]

23. It's a mistake but...

He really can't back out absent Warren being caught in some major scandal. I agree with you but that's not the political reality.

However, it's possible that Obama is playing Warren. You let Warren speak then pass legislation on some of these social issues that Warren detests. Obama can simply say that he disagrees with his "friend" but Warren is trapped. If he criticizes too harshly, the question begs, "Why did you go to his inauguration?"

[localroger]

28. That's what I think Obama is trying to do

Unfortunately, I think Obama didn't anticipate the magnitude of the response from the left -- really, I didn't either and until now I thought it was a tad over the top -- but I think Rick just Wrighted himself. He's clearly not capable of putting his ego aside long enough to meet Barack in the middle, so Obama needs to find himself another house fundie.

[davefromqueens]

32. Warrens is indeed a buffoon

at my website of the same name with a com after it I took Warren's book line by line and debunked it. He is truly a moron and lightweight so maybe this is the perfect foil.

His logical syllogisms are that of a below average 7 year old. Usually 3 disjointed thoughts and then "proven" by a vague bible passage. He also uses fifteen (15) different bibles for his quotes in the appendix on page 326. So he'll quote the bible yet 14 other bibles don't say what he is quoting. And all bibles are 1958 or beyond versions.

[liberalmuse]

2. Someone pointed out the upside of all of this.

Warren is going to be seen for exactly what/who he is. A homophobe pretending to be 'mainstream'. To be honest, Warren isn't on a lot of fundies radar. They don't even know who the hell he is! Born agains from California are usually discarded as, 'Oh, he/she is from California' (and there is a meme around this I can't even begin to explain) by the the bulk of evangelicals.

[tularetom]

3. Keep giving him rope - he'll hang himself

Eventually this fat piece a shit is gonna blow and say something so over the top that Obama won't be able to salvage him.

Or else he'll do a 180 and say something that will piss off the knuckle draggers among his flock and destroy his credibility among the religiously insane.

Either way he's screwn.

You don't suppose it was all a trap for Mr Warren and he blundered right in?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

11. there have to be some pastors who aren't such flop sweats

The guy didn't seem to know the old saying that if you are in a hole,
stop digging!

He is trying to say that if you criticize him, you are against Christ.

Totally wrong.

[klebean]

15. my guess from the get-go

is Obama's choice of Warren was a calculated risk intended to create controversy, to what end I don't know. Pay back? nah...
I came up w/this conclusion b/c Obama has to have been aware of Warren's gawdawful public statements on The Values Issues.

On Obama admitting he made a mistake - not a problem for him. Michelle. "On the campaign trail, I told you Michelle would keep me humble. Well last night she sat me down and..."

[SoDesuKa]

31. Obama's Trap For Rick Warren

>>You don't suppose it was all a trap for Mr Warren and he blundered right in?

That's exactly what it was - a trap. Obama's very good at reading the mood of the times; it's how he seemingly came out of nowhere and got elected president. Religious fundamentalists aren't exactly riding the crest of a wave these days. Anything "faith based" has a whiff of undeserved privileged about it, especially since Christians haven't been very Christ-like of late.

Pastor Warren should have declined the invitation to lead the prayers at the inauguration, because it appears to give his blessing to secularism. As soon as he accepted the invitation, he found out why he shouldn't have - he's under fire from his own membership. Now he's trying to make amends by reaffirming his belief that homosexuality is an abomination before God. Pastor Warren ends up in a lose-lose situation - just like lots of Obama's political opponents do.

There really isn't anything for Warren to do now except go through with it, and give a gracious invocation. He was snookered, and he knows it. If he's truly humble, he will recognize that it was his personal ambition that landed him in a public relations trap. Obama's not the guy to play head games with.

[jobycom]

4. Wouldn't that technically by "christianophobe," not "Christophobe?"

If he's saying those who despise his bigotry are "afraid of Christians," it wouldn't be Christophobia, which would be a fear of Christ. Christ taught about love and forgiveness and charity and loving your enemies. He told stories of the Good Samaritan and the Woman at the Well. Even us atheists can appreciate that. Seems like the real Christophobe would be Warren and his ilk, who are terrified of actually practicing the words of their Christ.

[snot]

5. there's hope; and there's delusion.

i only hope his other picks prove less overly-optimistic.

[marylanddem]

6. Besides his pompous-ass words, I hate that cavernous mouth

of his.

[wundermaus]

7. Seems a common trait for religious zealots to project onto others...

that which they profess hate, fear, or misunderstand instead of seeing the problem originating from within. Sad and pathetic.

[Deep13]

9. Yup. That seems to be true.

As always, the vast majority of Americans are the victims and the few powerless dissenters are being offensive.

[juno jones]

10. Kick!

[Gman2]

12. This guy is out of his league. He isnt a homophobe, I believe, But

he is unaccustomed to speaking with responsibility to anyone, but his flock. I truly believe that other than his indemic political sway, he is not a hater. He needs a crash course in Al Sharptons school of political earnestness. He will expand from this experience. This is good. He is getting intensive sensditivity training. He is screwing up, not hating. He would seem quaint, if he came across straight. I personally, because of his awkwardness, pr wise, and semantics/ vocabularywise, I think him not real leader, at least yet. I will admit to attending his church, ten + years ago. Once. But, after seeing his stuttering sentiments, I feel nothing but sympathy for the man. This is a misguided witchhunt in general, but dethroning him as king of megachurches might be warranted, given his limited presence, and force of character. I do wish him well, as I think you all wrong as to his real inner intentions. No matter. This has proven a boon in anyones book, as far as gay rights is concerned. You cant buy this kind of press.

[mayahbird]

13. Hate begets hate

This whole mess is proof that hate begets hate. Sure is a sad thing to have going on at this time of year.

[AlbertCat]

14. There is no such thing....

....as a reasonable Fundie....or Evangelist....or Pope....or any religious "leader". All their "power" is based on myth....and skewed myth at that. And those who buy into such crap are unreasonable too. Not stupid, not hate filled all the time, not evil all the time...but you may just take it as a given that reason is of no use.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

16. Rick Warren Revealed

http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2004/10/letter-from-rick-warren-pastor-of.html


My pastor, Rick Warren of Saddleback Church, sent this message out to all of our church members, and I think it's worthy of passing on to you:


Subject: The Most Important Election


Dear Saddleback Church family,

Tuesday, November 2nd, will be one of the most important elections Americans have had in 50 years. How could that be?

Because up to four of the Supreme Court Justices will likely retire during the next presidential term and their replacements will be selected by whomever is the next president. These new judges will affect the future of America for at least the next 40 years. It would be difficult to overestimate the impact that these judges will have on our lives, our families, our culture, and the direction of this nation.

Presidents serve for only 4 years, so they can only make a limited impact. But Supreme Court Justices serve for life, and they are the ones who decide on issues like abortion, gay marriages, human cloning, harvesting babies for stem-cell research, revoking the tax exemption of churches, removing "under God" from the flag pledge, and "in God we trust" from our money. In most ways, the Supreme Court has far more influence and impact on our day-to-day lives. This extremely important fact has been overlooked in most of the campaigning.

President Bush and Senator Kerry have VERY different opinions about the type of people who should become Supreme Court Justices. They could not have more opposite views about these matters. Either man will shape the court in very different ways.

If the members of our congregation fail to vote on Tuesday, we are actually surrendering our responsibility to choose the direction of our country for the next 40 years. If we do not vote, we have no right to criticize or complain when unbiblical decisions are made by the court in the decades ahead.

Over the past several months at Saddleback, we've been urging our members each week to register to vote. We even arranged to have a voter registration booth set up on our church patio because we believe it's that important that every Christian citizen exercises his or her right to vote for those who will govern us.

During the last presidential election in the United States, there were about 4 million Christians who weren't even registered to vote! To me, that is inexcusable when you consider what the Bible says about our responsibility as citizens and when you consider the many, many men and women who've given their lives to provide and protect our freedom to vote.

The U.S. election of 2000 was a clear reminder that every vote counts and that every voter has a duty to be involved. As church leaders, we know our congregations are not allowed to endorse specific candidates, and it's important for us to recognize that there can be multiple opinions among Bible-believing Christians when it comes to debatable issues such as the economy, social programs, social security, and the war in Iraq.

But for those of us who accept the Bible as God's Word and know that God has a unique, sovereign purpose for every life, I believe there are 5 issues that are non-negotiable. To me, they're not even debatable because God's Word is clear on these issues. In order to live a purpose-driven life - to affirm what God has clearly stated about his purpose for every person he creates - we must take a stand by finding out what the candidates believe about these five issues, and then vote accordingly.

Here are five questions to ask when considering who to vote for in this election:

1. What does each candidate believe about abortion and protecting the lives of unborn children?

2. What does each candidate believe about using unborn babies for stem-cell harvesting?

3. What does each candidate believe about homosexual marriage?

4. What does each candidate believe about human cloning?

5. What does each candidate believe about euthanasia - the killing of elderly and invalids?

Please, please do not forfeit your responsibility on these crucial issues! This election REALLY counts more than most others have.

Be sure to vote, and be sure to encourage every Christian you know to vote on Tuesday. If you are able to vote early, do so. Then ask all your Christian friends on Tuesday "Have you voted yet?" and pray for godly leaders to be elected.

Pastor Rick Warren

[tbyg52]

17. In a rational world, his tax exemption would have been gone at that point. nt

[davefromqueens]

24. I agree

with you.

[Jakes Progress]

18. And again. Why is it that

this guy gets the honor that could go to so many hard working pastors who actually helped Obama get elected, who really want America to be better, and who have actually done something in their lives to make this happen?

You know. Just asking?

[davefromqueens]

22. Add something to that overlooked

Warren cites the "4 million" number.

That's the same number Karl Rove cited for months leading up to the election in 2004.

[notesdev]

19. I'm phobophobic

Now that we can all see how ridiculous this is, can we at last put an end to the dishonest word game involved in pretending a dislike of something is equivalent to a fear of it? This goes for the people on both sides of the aisle.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. No Christophobia here, but definitely a high degree of Antrickwarrenism.

[davefromqueens]

21. Rick Warren is a bigot and a Christofascist

I do not shy from that word Christofascist.

Let me be clear that I use that word to describe ultra right wingers who masquerade under the banner of Christianity.

I separate MOST christians from Christofascists like Warren.

[and-justice-for-all]

25. "People who are afraid of any Christian." HILARIOUS!!

Warren is a dipshit...

[rucky]

26. No Rick, just Douchebagophobia. n/t

[Piewhacket]

27. The guy seems to be on some kind of "medication". No joke.

[antimatter98]

29. Notice how Warren has discredited himself..but

he should not be on the Inauguration Day dais to be symbol of or a metaphor for bigoted Christianity.

It's high time that bigots and fascists fronting as 'True Christians' be called out and
marginalized.

The Warren comeback of "Christophobia" is exactly typical of these people, seeking to
drive wedges, to cause hostility, to be divisive.

Warren has been correctly diagnosed as a bigot and homophobe, using 'The Lord' to propagate
hate, to use the media to enlarge his standing, and to infect as many people as possible with his insanity.

I've said 'no' to Warren and the inauguration, and I still say he should be very publically be
disinvited because of his views.

We didn't elect a right wing Republican to the White House---or did we?

[DutchLiberal]

30. Christians, who hold the most power, always manage to play the victim...

They do this all the time whenever their hate speech gets called out. It's amazing how they can claim *they* are the victims! They'll always manage to turn it around.

So, besides insulting the GLB'T community, he also compared women who had an abortion to nazi's and their wombs to Auschwitz? And a woman can't get a divorce when her husband abuses her?

Will organized religion ever be stopped of destroying countless lives?