TYT RANT: Democrats Continue To Show Weakness

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 05:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V4j6rgCN70   Posted on YouTube: February 04, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 04, 2009 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 4775

 
I realize that many of you are still in the Honeymoon Period (and therefore you DESPISE this point of view). But there's a reason that on this issue of bipartisanship.

But hey, even if you hated the clip I'm sure you'll love this:

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[mmonk]

1. Best video this year so far.

[pleah]

2. K&R! I agree. Obama may have something up his sleeve about this

hand holding shit, but I have been totally against it from the start.

[CherylK]

3. K & R!!!

:rant:

:applause:

[OhioChick]

4. K&R

:kick:

[ooglymoogly]

5. O is coming across as a rube...

Or worse. There are just too many unexplainable decisions he is and has been making after he became Prez elect with the asumption that we are going to just blindly follow him. Judd Gregg, now being portrayed conveniently by the corporate media as a moderate, is as close to a moderate as Little Boots was to being a moderate.

[pansypoo53219]

6. the gnews are still

whore for republikkkans.

[BigBearJohn]

7. K/R

[Lorien]

8. Cenk sums it up

I hope someone is listening.

[jgraz]

9. Error: You've already recommended that thread.

[Dave From Canada]

10. Cenk is wrong. Gregg wouldn't have accepted the position without a guarantee of a republican

appointed to his seat. In which case, Obama just should have selected someone else to fill Commmerce.

[ihavenobias]

11. He's not wrong. You're essentially agreeing with Cenk with your third sentence...

"In which case, Obama just should have selected someone else to fill Commmerce."

Exactly.

[MindMatter]

28. Absolutely. He is lost in space with this rant

No way the GOP would have given up a Senate seat to have one of theirs become a traitor.

Bu the more basic question is whether any of this bipartisanship is working. Clearly it is not. Time to play hardball with these guys. Stop giving in on every issue. Bring a parade of popular issues to the Senate and force the GOP to establish themselves as the Party that is blocking every change in Washington.

Identify 5 Republican Senators who cannot stand the pressure of 2 years in the limelight as the central obstructionist in Washington. Make it all about them.

When you lose the election, you don't get to call the shots. Make it clear that their choice is between being completely cut out of every damn thing or else to come to the table in a responsible way, ready to accept the verdict of the people.

[ihavenobias]

30. Nah

His points weren't lost on me and I thought the rant was great. The bottom line is that this clown shouldn't have been selected, period.

The ONLY *good* reason to have picked him was to get that 60th seat. If that was always out of the question then it was simply a poor choice.

[MindMatter]

53. It was simply a poor choice

There was absolutely never under any circumstances any thought that this would give them 60. If they ever believed that for a millisecond, they are idiots. That was never a serious proposition.

[ihavenobias]

54. We agree on that.

:)

[TheEuclideanOne]

12. That was a monumentally brilliant move followed by a Monumentally stupid one

If I am understanding it correct, by Obama picking this Senator, he made one of the most brilliant ways of getting a fillibuster free majority. He just handed it to the democratic party. Then what does this fucking governor do? Hands it back. I hope that the governor is run out of town on rails! I mean I really do wish very bad things to happen to this governor. Is is politically possible to do anything more stupid? This governor has to be one of the most idiotic politicians of all time.

[LaloBorges]

13. The Governor did not make the decision on his own

Unfortunately, that is something that Obama also agreed to.

This new Commerce guy better be very competent and make a difference otherwise this will be one of Obama's worst moves.

I am like Cenk, I still (or want to) believe that Obama must have a strategy that I cannot understand for trying to bring the repubs into the game, and I do believe they should be part of the game, the only problem is that if, like Cenk said, you look back at the last eight years you would know that these people don't play fair and to them is party 1st, country second.

[olegramps]

14. What are you talking about. Gregg only agreed to take the position:

IF THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AGREED TO APPOINT A REPUBLICAN. This is what Obama agreed to otherwise he would have withdrawn the offer. Get It. Its not a brilliant move but another useless sucking up to the Republicans who will shove it up his ass. Obama still doesn't get after NOT one House Republican voted to support his stimulus package. Why in the hell not have a Democrat in the position rather than some obstructionist Republican puke?

I and a hell of lot of other Democrats are wondering what in the hell he is doing. Daschel was an absolute disaster. He is and his wife are nothing more slime bag lobbyists and since he agreed not to run and agreed to support Obama, Obama nominates him for HHS secretary. Loyal Democrats are wondering why wasn't Howard Dean, the real hero of the party, offered the position. If he turned it down, fine, but everyone should have known that it was firstly offered to him.

[TheEuclideanOne]

16. After I looked into it and read a bit more, it was a condition of him giving up his Senate seat.

It would be nice if we would act a bit more republicanish and just pretend that we won't replace him with a democrat, but do it anyway. Personally, I think Obama may have been setting the ground.... Maybe he secretly winked at Lynch when he said "Sure, of course we will replace him with a Republican" so that Lynch could do it anyway and take the fall. Maybe Lynch is not good at taking clues.

[paulkienitz]

15. bipartisanship may seem pointless at present, but:

...over the long term, it's going to have an effect of creating an ever-widening split between those republicans who can't cooperate and compromise, and those who can. And if so, eventually the party will end up in the hands of only one of those two groups, leaving it either healed or irrelevant.

[Mithreal]

19. "healed or irrelevant" - unfortunately there are more than 2 outcomes. nt

[TheEuclideanOne]

20. are you suggesting divide and conquer?

Interesting....so one group may start cooperating and one group may continue to be obstructive. Come election time one of those groups (not sure which one) will probably lose elections. Well that does see very clever IMHO. Remember, they laughed at Dean when he suggested a 50 state strategy.

Side note: After re-reading yout post, I think that I restated almost exactly what you said, but I will post it any way. I like the way you think.

[MindMatter]

29. Name one Republican who is cooperating

[pokercat999]

37. "over the long term" it will put the rethugs back in power........nt

[hangman86]

17. Love ya Cenk!

O8)

[AlinPA]

18. I still don't understand what is so special about Gregg.

[theFrankFactor]

21. I'm About Fed the Fuck Up Already!

http://media.switchpod.com/users/jd/TheFrankFactorshow4020209.mp3

[ihavenobias]

22. I may have mentioned this before but...

the sound on your new show is very crisp and clear.

(Sure, the content is good too, but you knew that already)

[Ganja Ninja]

36. Here's what the Democrats don't seem to grasp.

Bipartisanship is backfiring on them. Its not what people want to see. It's just basic human nature. Nobody likes a loser. People will always back a winner. As long as the Dem's keep rolling over and acting like they lost the election they're going to look like losers and support will wane away. People are already getting sick of them. Democrats need to show some backbone and give the Republicans the back of their hand. If they did the public would cheer them on.

[defendandprotect]

42. As long as the DLC is influencing the White House, we "lost" the election ...!!

[matthewf]

23. k&r

[Turborama]

24. I'm still optimistic and have a strong suspicion he's playing the long game... K&R

[ejbr]

25. The more things change, the more they stay the same n/t

[cooolandrew]

26. The coming years willl be a constant struggle but the end result will be folks are ahead.

[rusty quoin]

27. K&R I am confused too. I hope Obama knows what he's doing. n/t

[WillyT]

31. Ya Know... This Guy, And His Gang, Should Be On MSNBC !!!

Seriously!

:kick:

[CherylK]

38. Yes they should!!!

:toast:

[Turborama]

41. Yeah, and then we can add videos from his MSNBC show just like we do with Maddow & Olbermann!!1!!one

:kick:
:kick:
and one for luck
:kick:

[HEyHEY]

32. Since when do we allow the presumed future actions of republicans dictate our actions now?

Is it not about what's best for the country? Isn't Obama trying to reach out and trying to end a political system in which petty politics degrade the entire democracy?

Or, I guess now that the Dems are in fuck all that, right?

[trthnd4jstc]

33. Obama is playing the role of being the Peoples' President. He is a Centrist, and about Fairness.

But Cenk is Right. The Democrats do not play hard ball, and the Democrats play fair, whereas the Republicans, often, do not.

[Two Americas]

34. it is not fair and it is not the center

It is not fair when the interests of 90% of the people lose out to the the interests of 10% of the people. The "center" is not 90% of the way over to one end of the scale, with the wealthy and powerful 10% on one side, and the other 90% of us on the other. Actually it is much worse than that. Only 1% of the population is demanding half of the say, half of the power and everything else that is on one side of this "center" with the other 99% of us over on the other side of this "center."

The presidency is not a role, and this is not a movie. I fear that too many people are seeing things as though that were the case.

[defendandprotect]

43. "Centrist" is right wing propaganda . . . there isn't any such thing!

Where was the centrist position on slavery?

Equal rights for women?

Equal rights for gays?

Separation of Church & State? --

Let me assure you that Democrats always knew how to be fair but to play hard when

necessary --- what's going on now is co-option of the Democratic Party by the

DLC ... the corporate-wing/the Republican lite wing.

[Turborama]

46. Same thing that happened to Labour in Britain in the mid to late 90s

They called themselves "New Labour", but in fact they were/are Conservative/Tory lite.

[defendandprotect]

52. Right . . . but there's a failure acknowledge that ---

by quite a few DU'ers --

if not actually against DU policy!!!?

[captainjack08]

35. still not paying attention... there's a reason Democrats sit on their hands

Democrats will always cave to Republicans because the FBI and CIA know which Democrats are cheating on their taxes, which Democrats are gay, which ones are pedophiles, which ones like to fly to the Caribbean or Thailand to cheat on their wives with hookers, which ones like to dress up in drag and post it on youtube. Any Democrat that gets out of line will get Blagoed, or Wellstoned, or John Edwardsed, or Bill Clintoned. Did Tom Delay, Abramoff, or Cheney or Bush or Gonzales or Rumsfeld ever do any hard time for any of the crimes they committed? No. If you are Obama, Daschle or Blago or some other Democrat the FBI will be all over your case like flies on shit because they need to keep democrats blackmailed to keep power. There is an entire underground fascist network that serves just this purpose.

Cenk, why do you keep asking the same goddamn question and expecting a different answer? We know why the Democrats always cave in to Republicans.

Here's how you solve the problem. Go after that shadow fascist network corrupting America. You might start with groups like Opus Dei, Project for A New American Century, The World Anti-Communist League, Birchers, Reverend Moon, all of the pricks in the NSA, CIA and FBI who spied on the 9/11 hijackers, maneuevered them into position with help from foreign intelligence agencies, created the pre-911 terror hype and mythology to pump the fear, and then provocateured them into attacking America, greasing the path for them all of the way so no one could block them as they pulled off their attack. Get these people out of those agencies, so that they can stop blackmailing provocateurs and informants and politicians into committing crimes against the USA. Then you round up and boot all of the blackmailed Democrats and Repubes out and replace them with preferably less compromised politicians(is that even possible?).

But stop asking the same goddamn question over and over again and expecting a different answer. The Repubes and their right wing accomplices in the justice department, defense, intelligence and security have been blackmailing and compromising politicians for decades and then maneuvering them into positions of power to keep them under their control while they fan the flames of war around the globe. Open your eyes and demand that it stop. But please... stop asking this same wide-eyed bumpkin question of "Why are the Dems caving in on this?" again and again and again and again. You know why they are caving. They are being threatened to. It didn't start with that cum stain on Monica's dress.... this has been going on since JFK, Watergate and Koreagate... Democrats under duress by shadow networks of Repubes blackmailing them or outright threatening to kill them. It continued with Bill Clinton and Mena Arkansas and Monica. With Wellstone. And once again the same groups are going after Democrats while ignoring the crimes of the Republicans. Didn't Lynndie England get 3 years for doing exactly what Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney ordered her to do? Did Cheney or Rumsfeld do time for telling England to torture people???? Unfortunately Lynndie England doesn't have the deep black blackmailing powers of her superiors.

If you have those deep black blackmailing powers... apparently you are untouchable in this country. You ever why this country has never touched Reverend Moon when his organization is up to it neck in crime? He is connected to South Korean intelligence, illegals arms and obviously has pictures or something of American politicians screwing something they ought not be screwing because otherwise on what other semi intelligent planet would a fruitcake who proclaims himself Messiah of the world be treated with respect by our politicians unless they are being blackmailed??? Your government is bought and sold by players in the shadows. Time to get a grip and admit it.

[Turborama]

39. Who are the people in those pictures and what does it prove?

Just asking...

[defendandprotect]

44. What does it prove that Poppy Bush immediately made $12-$14 million . ..

for one Rev. Moon appearance immediately upon leaving office --- ????

[Turborama]

45. OK, and Clinton made loads of moolah when he left office too

Is there anything particularly wrong with that?

[defendandprotect]

49. Yes, there is . . .

[captainjack08]

48. The pictures....

...are of various members of the Bush Klavern sucking up to self-proclaimed "Messiah Of The World"... "True Parent"... Anti-Christ to Jesus Christ.. True NutCase... Reverend Sun Myung Moon... he's the douche bag wearing the crown and trappings of Messiah, King of the World. Certain Republican politicians apparently feel some mysterious need to associate themselves with this idiot... probably stemming from certain video tapes made A Long Time Ago In A KCIA Whore House Far Far Away. That's my best guess.

[defendandprotect]

50. The idiot is loaded with money and right-wing thinking . ..

[captainjack08]

56. Cenk kind of sniffs around the idea something is fishy with the Democrat noms caving in...

...but never quite goes all the way to ask, why exactly do the Dems always cave but Repubes no matter how corrupt usually don't? He doesn't go into asking is it that the Repubes hold the winning hand in some type of blackmail or whether Dems are being physically threatened. But he seems to be dropping some hints that he realizes something fishy is going on. Saw this vid on the DU main page:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x268665

So I think people get it... but not yet sure how to approach the subject.

[depakid]

40. When it comes down to it- it's easy to see why people choose to identify with Republicans

despite their corruption and ineptitude.

Democrats are percieved as weak, cowardly and ineffectual- lacking in political fortitude.

For good reason.

Unless the leadership is willing to take some risks- and perhaps lose a few battles while standing tough, that perception isn't going to change.

[defendandprotect]

51. Why would anyone who loves their country -- cares about human rights --

the planet --- and their own children -- possibly align themsevels with

politicians who they know are corrupt and inept?

despite their corruption and ineptitude.

However, you're also wrong if you're suggesting that Bush/Cheney were stupid --

No, they are as smart or smarter than any other criminal. They had larger targets --

the national Treasury, for instance --- but they are just as criminal.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

47. I don't even have to watch this video to agree with Cenk on this one. ..n/t

[democracy1st]

55. great job Cenk