"Yes I am emotional about torture SIR!"

[mmonk]

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Shami Chakrabarti SAVAGES UK Minister Geoff "Buff" Hoon over the US attempts to BLACKMAIL Britain into silence over evidence of Torture.

[jimshoes]

1. Will we the people ever truly be represented by

the people we supposedly elect? It's a known fact that the US tortured people. Period, end of sentence. Will there ever be an accounting of it in a court of law, where the guilty are confronted with the evidence of their crimes and prosecuted and sentenced if convicted? Not unless we the people who's money supports these governments make it so it won't.

[mmonk]

2. I would say only if it became so politically charged in other countries

that the press here takes more of a notice and starts covering it in more real terms instead of abstract debates about safety.

[Titonwan]

14. That's bull sh#t.

As Glenn Greenwald so superbly described it on Bill Moyer's Journal last night, the friggin' corporate press in the country DO NOT want to expose the crimes of Bush & Criminals because it'd make them LOOK STUPID (and lying to boot, all this time). The god damned press is as guilty as they are by covering this stuff up! Time to drop the foolish notion the "press" is coming to the rescue- it ain't happening. THE ONLY WAY THIS GETS TRACTION IS IF YOU GET ACTIVATED! That woman had more nerve and courage than MOST of the big he men pussies in THIS country. Fuck health care, the economy, gas costs or whether you're going to get your damned digital converter box before the switchover. YOU LET THIS DROP AND LET THESE CRIMINALS GO OFF INTO THE WILD BLUE YONDER, YOU'RE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE. It's time to get MAD, people... and MEAN.

[mmonk]

17. True they don't want to expose it. That's why its either going to take

pressure elsewhere until they can't hide it any longer or it's going to have to come from us. And I don't know what you're bullshit comment was directed at.

[Titonwan]

30. the notion "they'll take more notice"

Yeah, THAT Bullshit. THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY'RE JUST IGNORING IT ON PURPOSE.

[mmonk]

37. Gotcha.

[valerief]

33. Yeah, the press are owned by the same people who own Bushco. nt

[defendandprotect]

3. Give me more people being "emotional" about torture!!! Love Shami--!!!

Violence is always dumb and stupid -- if not in the short run, then in the long run.

And we have to find a way to control the violent among us.

Just before Bush was shoved into the WH by the Gang of 5 on the SC, the United Nations

was getting reading to begin deal with aggression.

We need to get back to that kind of thinking about controlling aggression.

And those who aid and abet it!

[mmonk]

4. Yes, that was the original idea behind an international body.

[kas125]

5. Good god, she said,

"I'm not even talking a bit of waterboarding, we're talking medieval torture involving razor blades."

[mmonk]

6. I wonder how people in the US would react hearing that on TV.

[kas125]

7. I don't think they'd believe it. People sure don't believe it when I say

that most, if not all, of the detainees have been tortured. They say things like, "Oh, losing a little sleep or listening to music you don't like isn't torture." They just don't get it and I really think it's because they don't WANT to know.

[defendandprotect]

12. I think, perhaps, the bottom line on why they don't get it is ....

that they still believe in the myth of a free press.

People think if there were really something wrong in America the press would

be telling us! Look at all those laughing people on TV . . . could they possibly

be not telling us about Global Warming, Peak Oil, political violence over decades???

Corruption at high levels of government and police enforcement?

Yep --- !!



(But, of course, we're seeing NOTHING like this on our TVs today!

There was a brief period during the civil rights era when we did hear a few things,

but it didn't go on very long.)

[Titonwan]

15. That surprises you?

Time to cancel your Disney Channel subscription. We have to see this to the end, unless of course you're happy with the status quo? Push Holder to uphold the Constitution and INVESTIGATE THESE CRIMES.

[loudsue]

39. "Investigate"??? No. PROSECUTE.

The crimes are as plain and as proven as the nose on george bush's face. And everyone in the whole world knows it.

[EFerrari]

19. Yes. In the case in question, the man had his penis sliced with a razor

in order to force a confession out of him. Binyam Mohamed.

[Seldona]

22. I would call it barbarism,

but that would be an insult to barbarians. Sick shit.

What no one ever talks about is the fact that the lovely, lovely, people who did this walk amoung us, as well as those that ordered it. We have been driven so far to the right that somehow these people are supposed to be 'reached out to' in the name of 'balance?'

If that is what it takes to keep winning, count me the fuck out. These people are war criminals of the highest order. I don't want my President to deal with these people. I want him to lock them up!

I can't imagine ANYONE actually believing we had the moral authority to do shit like this. Sorry to rant. It's just that when I hear of these abuses I see red.

[Sedona]

24. Binyam Mohamed.

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/29912res20070530.html

[wial]

29. The people who did this

are infinitely worse than Bin Laden. There's no place on this planet for them. At the very least, they should not be allowed to breed.

We should, we must, reopen Nuremburg, try and convict Cheney and Bush, and every single person involved, down to the soldiers and the foreign "assets". Following orders is only less of a crime than giving orders.

This case is the unwanted consequence which disproves the assertion "military is valid".

The most maddening thing about the video is the woman from her name is ethnically on the other side of the fence from the muslims, yet all the bloody minded sociopath british neocon could do was snigger and misogynistically patronize her. I was so glad to see him skewered in the last shot.

No pity for these people. Get rid of them all. Send them to an island. Send them off-planet.

Sigh. I know the real problem is exactly that kind of extreme reaction. We need to deal with them and their crimes appropriately though. An island, at least, and not a nice one.

[EFerrari]

32. I put this up last night but it was late and it sank like a Republican candidate:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5007617&mesg_id=5007617

[mmonk]

38. Thanks for that.

[jhrobbins]

8. I am constantly amazed and repulsed at what human beings are able to

do to other humans and the levels of depravity they are willing to sink to. It's beyond understanding. I've read the studies about the people of Germany in the 40's and I wonder if I would have gone along with them or like a small minority, I would have fought back. I hope it would be the latter.

[defendandprotect]

13. I think there comes a point when you have waited too long --- and the

situation is further accelerated and it's just too late. You're trapped.

Kind of like dealing with the Mafia.

I never had any sympathy for the German people -- Why, How could they have

let this go on?

After Bush/Cheney, I can better understand how it begins to happen.

As I say this, I think the American people have already waited too long to confront

fascism that has already crossed our thresh-hold.

Explaining man's inhumanity to man . . . ?

I think you have asked the hard questions we have probably all asked ourselves at one

time or another.

I can readily see that frightened men who hate create these systems of torture --

and they do it when they reach the top of the heap. In churches, in government.

But they are "systems" which are put together piece by piece over time.

[dothemath]

35. Epiphany

A thoughtful post, sir/madam, and thank you for it.

There are two sentences I would highlight. They are epiphanous
in nature and partially answer a fundamental question I have had
for some time. Who are, and how do they get to the point where they
are willing to torture, the people responsible for a willingness to
torture their own kind.
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"I can readily see that frightened men who hate create these systems of torture --

and they do it when they reach the top of the heap. In churches, in government.

But they are "systems" which are put together piece by piece over time.

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If one 'walks' backward from the 'top of the heap' to children torturing
small animals, the 'bottom of the heap', so to speak, is there a connection?
The FBI has many investigative tools, not the least of which is profiles of
deviants. I wonder if they have information that could be made available to
the public that would advance understanding in this perplexing and deadly
misadventure as a useful societal tool.

If those who believe torture should be used, ought not they be made to declare so? How does the CIA know where to set up facilities in those countries/places where, in a few hours, they can 'rendition' a person they want tortured? Are different torture methods specific by location?

Too many questions, essentially no answers. Boys will be boys and, sadly, humans will be humans - the only species that kills their own kind, and tortures, for pleasure.

[Titonwan]

16. You just posed the question and the answer's right in front of you.

Don't wonder, DO SOMETHING. I've been in firefights and the one's you thought were all bad ass were the god damned pussies when the shit hit the fan. Talk is CHEAP. DO SOMETHING. We can NOT let this go, as much as the press, the GOP, the complicit Democrats OR the guilty want us too! Don't wonder, because the time to act IS NOW. The firefight has begun.................................. well?

[jhrobbins]

40. I do what I can and will continue to do so, but I am disabled and I have not

left my house for three years, so it will have to be something I can do from here. And as I said, I do quite a bit from here. So, thanks for the advice.

[kas125]

18. I asked myself that when I was a child and I knew the answer.

That's why I do the things I do every day. If someone had told me ten or fifteen years ago that I'd be going to DC and talking to Senators and Congressmen, going to their local offices and not leaving until we either get arrested or they agree to meet with us, standing on the street with signs twice a week no matter what the weather is, writing letters constantly, talking to groups, making sure our high school follows the law regarding opt out forms and recruiters, being a very active CodePinker and actually telling my congressman what I expect him to do face to face on a regular basis, not being allowed to attend a speech by that creepy General Hayden, I'd have told them that they were nuts. But a few years ago I had to ask myself the same questions I did about the Germans and I just couldn't allow what bushco did to all those innocent people to be done in my name without making sure it was in the public record that I opposed them and tried every way I could to stop them. All my life I wondered why the German people didn't DO something and hoped that if I'd been there I'd have tried, and when it came time to do it, I had no choice but to be active and vocal.

[Catamount]

21. Lots of Germans tried to help....

but it was late in the game when the truth came out and by then there were really only women and children left.
Lots of Germans who helped were also sent to the camps and gassed along with the others.
Don't forget that world war 2 was a bit different from our 'war on terror.'

Not that that's an excuse that they didn't do more, but the country was totally fucked, people were really starving in the streets and children lost at least one --if not both parents!

I myself lost all male members of my family and by the end of the war, I had my mother and two aunties...and I was lucky.

We have the means to do everything right!
We have good examples of what not to do--but our enemy is complacency, too many comforts and distractions to keep us away from the hard issues.
And the powers that be designed it this way, for sure!
And we blame the media--rightfully--but we are taking steps and that's the real crux of the matter!
What you young guys and gals are doing is the right thing--never stop--pass the message on--be involved--help Obama by keeping the right pressure on him too!
He asks for it--give it to him!
There!
K&R

[ooglymoogly]

9. Kr for truth nt big KR

[earcandle]

10. I love this woman! Now she speaks powerfully with conviction and commitment.

I would like to have heard the rebuttal.  Anybody know how to
access the rest of this?  

[mmonk]

11. I'll try and check around for it.

[Senator]

20. Can Anyone Not K&R This ?!?

I'd really like to know.

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[knixphan]

23. K&R

[Moosepoop]

25. K&R n/t

[Bunkie0913]

26. A good subject

to be emotional over.

[wial]

27. I like the implication:

"...and if you are not, you are a sociopath."

[pleah]

28. K&R

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. Wow. I'm sending this youtube video on to others. This needs to be shown

Amazing and brave woman!!

[KalicoKitty]

34. K & R n/t

[Danieljay]

36. Amazing, no one is yelling over the other. Wow. Not in America. Its out yell one another. n/t