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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:26 PM
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Rachel: Yoo and Bybee could be disbarred for Torture Memos
 
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One question, how do you serve as a Federal Judge, or Teach Law at Berkeley - if you've been disbarred for ethics violations by the OPR?

Here's another question, if the legal memos were invalid (and the conclusion were manipulated by the White House) - then Water Boarding was ALWAYS torture and a WAR CRIME! How big is this going to explode when it hits Eric Holder's Desk, not to mention Leahy and Conyers.

Vyan

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:28 PM
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1. I've been arguing this for years...
Yoo teaches at Berkeley- how bizarre is that?

But he's licensed in Pennsylvania.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:35 PM
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3. Wasn't Berkeley a liberal college . . . ???
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 11:38 PM by defendandprotect
And this is another aggravating situation with the corporate-press because

Yoo and Gonzales should be universally despised people by now -- certainly

not involved in any way with young minds!

TORTURE, again, one of our filthiest words --

Bush/Cheney should be revealed as the Wizards of Torture ---

Aarggg . . . Ugh . . teeth gnashing!

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:57 PM
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5. I sure wouldn't want to take a class from the guy
That would really suck.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:58 AM
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7. Someone posted his 'rate your professor' page a while back and it was full of
posts ragging on him for his criminal activity. Also, he was apparently kind of boring and pedantic a teacher.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:28 PM
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2. I'm not interested in "could be."
I'm interested in a done deal.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:42 PM
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4. Sorry, you'll have to wait until the report is out. n/t
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 11:42 PM by Vyan
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:29 AM
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6. You and Bybee should be Disbarred!
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:57 AM
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8. Not ME, Yoo. ;) anyway, the just following orders defense...
requires a good faith belief the the conduct was legal.

Torture is and was clearly illegal
(Even the Dersh(owitz) in advocating torture
concedes the law would have to be changed for such to be legal.)

Thus there could be no good faith belief that torturing prisoners
held in US custody (ANYWHERE!!!) was legal, and any person ordered to do
so was legally obligated to refuse the plainly illegal order.

In any event a Justice Department legal opinion as
whacked out as Yoo's should have given any sane person pause
to seek outside legal opinion.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:03 AM
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9. !!
:popcorn:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:35 AM
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10. They could be charged with WAR CRIMES too!!
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Titonwan Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 10:16 AM
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11. This is VERY important on prospects of investigating Bush (et alia)
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 10:23 AM by Titonwan
THIS development may well be the cornerstone in getting Junior and Crime Crew investigated and prosecuted(?). On a different but positive note, International Law experts are perusing the "Rome Statue" (International Criminal Court (ICC)) Treaties to see if the Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes accusations against Bush/CheneyCo could be applied RETROACTIVELY to their crimes! George Bush removed us a Signatories from the Treaty shortly before invading Iraq (coincidence? kinda fuckin' doubt it) and now it's as important as EVER to push President Obama to not only rejoin as Signatories, but to be a RATIFIED in Treaty to the Rome Statue (get used to hearing that lovely term!). SO, Georgey Porgey and Dickless may think they have the last laugh, but that's liable to change real quick. There appears to be FOUR different ways to attack these animals and War Criminals.

1) DOJ opens investigations (still the BEST option and the one most well suited to regain favorable World Opinion). Push Eric Holder to do this!!!

2) Congressional Truth Commission (not nearly effective and maybe harmful, actually. A last resort opton IMO).

3) Civil Prosecution for First Degree Murder (this covers the ENTIRE crew (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice (et al) and ANY federal prosecutor from ANY state can pursue this as outlined by Vincent Bugliosi in his excellent book "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder" (He put away Charles Manson and had a perfect record of murder convictions).

4) WAR CRIMES per the Rome Statute (I.C.C.) Perhaps... as stated, legal scholars are looking at viability)), the Conference on Torture treaty (signed in 1988 by (a REPUBLICAN!) Ronnie RayGun), and per the Geneva Conventions. This ICC is iffy at present, BUT THAT MIGHT VERY WELL CHANGE!!! The other two are solid in standing.

So, ladies and germs... as you can see, a lot of people are taking this VERY seriously. I humbly ask that you devote some time and activate for their CONVICTION! NOT a lame "truth" commission, that will just paper over the REAL TRUTH and that's what this country deserves after living through the eight year hell of an stolen presidency. World class criminals... from beginning to end. Thanx.

Below is a timeline on torture and events of the worst criminal president in history for you scholarly types (who might even want to help!)
http://www.webdsi.com/jebbie/tline.html

And here is a compilation of people (guards, lawyers etc) telling their story of what happens at Guantonamo.
http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/projects/the-guantanamo-testimonials-project



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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:33 PM
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14. time lines
I find time lines very helpful.

In this case it goes back to pre war Iraq and details all the events and speeches and memos that our benevolent MSM spared us from learning about until, what, last week or something?

NOTICE THIS - most of the info contained in this is all stuff the DU community pretty much knew at the time. Remember those hopeless times, folks? Always wondering if these criminals will ever be held to account? All these years of drips are about to break down the dam!

ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!

WE ARE DOING THIS, FOLKS!

DOWN WITH THESE TRAITOROUS OUTLAWS!

-90% Jimmy
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:18 PM
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12. K&R and hoping Yoo & Bybee are not only disbarred but prosecuted! n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:00 PM
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13. Yoo was not selected by chance, he defers power to the executive branch
because that is how he interprets the 3 branches of government, and that is exactly what the Bush Regime wanted. I truly thanked God when Obama won, we absolutely cannot afford another Justice Roberts being appointed to the SCOTUS. Roberts embraces the Unitary Executive theory, scary minds these individuals possess.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:19 PM
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15. Disbarment could put a serious crimp in Professor Yoo's cushy teaching career....
:evilgrin:

Hekate


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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:38 PM
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16. Could Bybee remain on the bench?
I can't imagine.
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