They tried to make the world forget his name - Nikola Tesla the greatest Inventor of all time

[Joanne98]

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http://www.netsense.net/tesla/

The life story and work of Nikola Tesla. He invented AC electricity, Neon Lights, Radio transmission, The Electric motor, Wireless electricity transfer, Remote control, Hydraulics, Lasers, Space weapons, Robotics, and many, many more things.

Some Electromechanical devices and principles developed by Tesla:

* various devices that use rotating magnetic fields (1882)
* induction motor and high frequency alternator
* means for increasing the intensity of electrical oscillations
* alternating current long-distance electrical transmission system (1888)
* Tesla coil
* bladeless turbine
* bifilar coil
* Telegeodynamics
* systems for wireless communication (prior art for the invention of radio) and radio frequency oscillators
* robotics and the "AND" logic gate
* X-rays Tubes using the bremsstrahlung process
* devices for ionized gases
* devices for high field emission
* devices for charged particle beams
* methods for providing extremely low level of resistance to the passage of electrical current
* voltage multiplication circuitry
* devices for high voltage discharges
* devices for lightning protection
* Magnifying Transmitter
* VTOL aircraft
* Dynamic theory of gravity
* concepts for electric vehicles

[Rick Myers]

1. Tesla is my hero!

[DaLittle Kitty]

88. K & R! John Russell Told Me He Met Ralph Alpher Father of The "BIG BANG Theory" Who Was Friends w/

Al Einstein! Alpher has a book out on Amazon Titled "Genesis of The Big Bang." Alpher died about a year ago in a Tampa Nursing Home but Russell got his autograph when he met him while taking care of the great physicist at a Tampa Hospital several years ago. I did see Alpher about 6 months ago on the History Channel talking about The Big Bang.

Tesla was huge and as we can derive from this example, the powers that be have been shutting down progress and change for as long as anyone can remember all in the name of not interfering w/ their revenue streams from OLD technologies.

PATHETIC!

[Kajsa]

2. Bravo, Joanne!

Tesla was a genius and a hard working, dedicated
man.

Unfortunately, Thomas Edison ripped him off,
both by reneging on a promise of a raise AND
by ripping off Tesla's inventions, something
Edison was famous for doing throughout
his sordid career of reaping the rewards of
other people's work.

To think Edison has a company, a high school and park in
Huntington Beach, CA, and other tributes to him frankly
makes me sick.

Tesla was a man of honor and integrity, but we never hear
much about him.

Thanks so much for paying tribute to him.

:) :toast:

[stlsaxman]

3. A True Genius.

Thanks for posting this video.

[Joanne98]

9. You're welcome

[Fendius]

4. This was an important man...

And look how "our" country went out of its way to smear him only because of one little stupid basic thing.............................................................................................................MONEY...

I think we start taking a real history lesson in how money has doomed us all.. I really feel duped to be born in a time when money is our god..

[Joanne98]

10. It's so true

[napoleon_in_rags]

5. He died penniless.

That's what blows my mind. Our society needs to make sure this NEVER happens. I think when you pass a certain threshold of contributions to humanity, tenure at a University should be GUARANTEED so we don't have people like Tesla living and dying like alcoholic bums on that street, simply because they were more focused on inventions than profits.

[Joanne98]

11. They killed his spirit just because he was good. They're Satanic.

[On the Road]

44. Unfortunately, He Kind of Did That to Himself

His royalties from Westinghouse had allowed him to accrue a great fortune, which he plowed back into his work. The electrical system grew so fast that the royalties caused the company financial trouble. George Wesinghouse begged Tesla to renegotiate the contract. Tesla was so confident about the earning potential of his new projects that he graciously cancelled all future royaltes. That work never resulted in anything. That's why Tesla died penniless.

[conscious evolution]

74. That is an excellant idea.

Seriously.
People who contribute so much to humanity should be rewarded.

[90-percent]

6. Tesla

Tesla was Captain Beefheart to Edison's Frank Zappa.

-90% Jimmy

[demwing]

8. Im not a Zappa fan - what do you mean? /nt

[stlsaxman]

17. a BEAUTIFUL analogy! stlsaxman hi5's 90% Jimmy- Twice!

:fistbump: - "Dude- that's PERFECT!"

[90-percent]

29. Zappa lore

I'm a hardcore Zappa fan with decades of study about Zappa and his life. Captain Beefheart (Don Van Vliet) went to High School with Zappa and they studied R&B records and formed bands together and separate. Zappa is a clinician and Beef heart gets his cues from distant galaxies.

A few contend that Zappa's entire output, or inspiration for, was based on tape recordings Zappa made of Beefheart in High School.

They were on and off friends until Zappa died. Zappa produced Trout Mask Replica exactly to Beefhearts standards, even though he disagreed.

Zappa has been termed an exploiter of band personnel and outside sources for the source of much of his music, musical quotations.

As Beefheart was divine magic, so was Tesla. As Zappa was a hard working exploiter, so was Edison. It's a facetious analogy, as Zappa is my hero and is no where near as despicable as Edison.

LOTS OF TESLA'S WORK IS STILL CLASSIFIED! Think of all the good humanity has been denied!

-90% Jimmy

hi5 back atcha, stlsaxman! You know the folklore of my cult well, my friend!

[stlsaxman]

32. love your sig line!!!

a quick cloud caught a piper cub's tail
a match struck blue on a railroad rail

would you have a cd copy of "Lick My Decals Off, Baby"? They're going on Amazon for $50 to $190.

I know and love Zappa's work as well, though less so the comedy music. He da me all the way through 200 Motels/ Hot Rats era. As Jimmy Carl Black once said- "Zappa's good- but Beefheart is the real thing!"

During the recording session for Trout Mask- Zappa: "We'll get set up for tomorrow's session now and- " Beefheart: "Oh, it's done." Z: "What?" B: "The album's done, Frank." and it was!

I can go on and on and on about both those guys.... if i were gay, i'd go with Frank, but i'd be thinkin' 'bout The Captain!

Here's me with Ike Willis, Don Preston and Project Object at Ike's 50th birtday party and I'm soloing on "Black Napkin"...

[90-percent]

33. An honor

An honor to meet you, stlsaxman!

Congratulations on playing with such distinguished Zappa alumni! I hope you get to play with them some time in the future, if Gail allows...

-Jim

[stlsaxman]

35. sadly i don't think she will... :(

She's like Rita Marley in that respect.... she's only in it for the money.

[conscious evolution]

75. You ever play with Denny?

He has to be the best guitarist I have ever heard.
Hendrix,Clapton and Townsend got nothing on him.

[stlsaxman]

111. Denny?

:shrug:

[bushmeister0]

59. Ed Sanders is the shiznit! I love Zappa's brain and his additude

but the Fugs were a better band.

[Joanne98]

7. This made me so sad. Telsa could have saved the world from so much

of the trouble we have now with climate change but he got sabotaged by the greedy ass Wall Street banksters. The banksters have been destroying us for hundreds of years and they're NEVER brought to justice. Still now mankind suffers under them. I can't even say out loud what I think should be done to that Satanic group of ^%$#@.

I hope young people will watch this video and try to develop his ideas. The government still has his writings. Why haven't they released them? It's NOT their property.

FREE wireless electricity. What a blessing that would be. I bet it works too.

[Grinchie]

30. It absolutely works. Canada is hosting a conference on Space Solar collectors.

In fact, there are documents on the web that show that Tesla was working with the Canadians to wirelessly transmit power. I read this a long time ago, but in the end, the conclusion was to not fund it because the Steel industry needed business, and they made the conductors and the steel for the power transmission lines.

As far as the space solar collector initiative goes, they would transmit the power to earth via microwave, you know, the same stuff that cooks food, enables Cell Phones, Predator Drone datalinks, HDTV, WiFi, etc..

Goodbye wires... MIT experimentally demonstrates wireless power transfer

[Joanne98]

36. Tell Canada that they can use his info for FREE!

[LongTomH]

96. Something interesting is going on here!

The space solar collector (try googling "solar power satellite" or "space solar power") idea was invented by an American scientist: Dr. Peter Glaser, in 1968. NASA and the DOE researched it thoroughly in the late '70s, the era of our first energy crisis. Since then, a lot of the work has been done overseas. Try googling on Japan AND "solar power satellite."

Recently, there has been a renewed burst of interest in the concept. Pacific Gas & Electric, in California, has been talking to a start-up company - Solaren - about buying energy from solar power satellites. Apparently, there are other companies interested in the concept, one of those being British Petroleum.

A couple of months ago I got a presenter from the K.C. Space Pirates to do a presentation for my club. Despite their name, K.C. Space Pirates is a serious organization working to develop a robot climber for the Space Elevator Games sponsored by NASA and http://www.spaceward.org/">The Spaceward Foundation. The goal is to develop a model for a climber that could climb the ribbon of a space elevator. The space elevator is another concept that has been around for years and is getting renewed interest.

Most of the renewed interest in the space elevator is due to recent advances in making longer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube">carbon nanotubes. Scientist at at Cambridge University have found ways to combine multiple nanotubes into very long strands.

What does this have to do with orbiting solar collectors? Well, at the end of his presentation, our guest advised us that British Petroleum has an interest in space elevators, with the real interest in using them to put up a solar power satellite.

[ekwhite]

38. I bet it doesn't

The energy loss would be enormous.

[On the Road]

46. The Energy Loss Would be Enormous

but since the energy source is virtually unlimited, that doesn't count it out. It might be tto expensive, or create certain risks to humans and wildlife, but then so do other technologies.

[ekwhite]

52. For space based solar collectors, true

For the ground-based system Tesla was working on, not so much. There has been some research on using inductive coupling as a safe way of transmitting the power. The energy would only be picked up by a properly tuned induction coil, making it somewhat safer than the microwave beams originally imagined. If the satellites got off track the inductive coupling would not cause the massive damage a microwave beam could.

[On the Road]

68. Yes I *Was* Thinking of the Space-Based Collectors

Forgot about the ground-based systems. It's an intriguing idea, but you're right, they don't sound very efficient.

[conscious evolution]

78. Very true

What will offset the loss,however,is that solar panel efficiency goes way up when in space.
A panel that produces 100 watts on Earth will produce close to a thousand watts in space.
In space their is no atmosphere to filter out most of the sunlight.
The extreme cold in space also increases efficiency by supercooling the panels,which brings a super-conductor effect into play.

What worries me about the idea of microwaving power to the Earth is what effect will it have on the atmosphere.Definitely a potential for catastrophe if its not thought thru very well.

[kaygore]

12. Thank you for sharing.

[Bread and Circus]

13. One of my favorite scientists and inventors, if not my favorite.

[OwnedByFerrets]

14. That is an amazing video. Its just another travesty that his

writings are still classified(if I heard that right).

[Joanne98]

15. Yep. Something needs to be done about that.

[swilton]

16. I bet this guy was also a socialist!

This is why they don't want his ideas contaminating our capitalist indoctrination.

:think:

[Joanne98]

27. He just wanted to help the world and they destroyed him.

[Lorien]

60. Always the way of the ruling class. That's the reason we our killing our planet

with fossil fuels. Your video showed us exactly why solar and other technologies are deemed "too costly"; they cost the elite their profit. He who controls energy can dominate the planet economically.

[pnorman]

70. I was looking for that in him, but have been unable to find any indication so far.

But I've seen no indication that he was an "anti-socialist" either. He apparently spent little thought on "social justice"; he had far more important things to contemplate. That's been the alibi of so many others, but in Tesla's case it was undoubtedly true.

But his occasional friend, Charles Steinmetz (of GE), was an an avowed Socialist, and had once run for Mayor of Schenectady on that ticket. Here's his Wiki, that only mentions his socialism in passing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz Here's a better link for that topic: http://www.union.edu/N/DS/s.php?s=1512

pnorman

[ooglymoogly]

18. Tesla is a co-equal hero of mine along with Einstein; Both good honest to gods

geniuses who brought greatness to mankind, I have held these views as far back as I can remember. He was sucker punched by the ruthless greed of evil men like Edison and Morgan who have brought nothing but Machiavellian horror on this planet.

[Richd506]

103. Einstein was the shit!

Who ever thought that space and time were flexible?

[Aethertek]

19. Yes Yes

One of the greatest theoretical & practical minds of the 19th/20th century.
He's where I got my screen name from, had it since I've been on the net.

K~

[myrna minx]

20. K&R for the humanitarian, Nicola Tesla.

Thank you for bring him to the attention of many more who would him fascinating. We owe him a great debt, and honoring his memory and his achievements do just that. :applause:

[tomreedtoon]

21. Edison (the Bill Gates of his day) defamed Tesla.

The use of alternating current, developed by Tesla and George Westinghouse, was a more efficient means of sending energy over long distances. Edison was heavily invested in direct current.

I won't go into the tech for you too much, but because AC can be stepped up to high voltage, it can help overcome the resistance that subtracts from electrical power. (Ohm's Law, for you techies.) You can't do that easily with DC.

Edison used his power and fame to try to prevent AC systems from being instated. He did such stunts as electrocute dogs on stage with AC, claiming that this would never happen with DC. (Guess what? DC under similar conditions can be just as deadly.) Edison even promoted the electric chair as an incidental proof of the deadliness of AC.

By the way, there was another "odd" foreign-born scientist who was important to the development of electricity: Charles Proteus Steinmetz, a man with physical ailments but an unquenchable spirit who was one of the first to create room-sized artificial lightning discharges.

[Grinchie]

31. AC is the driving force behind Transformers, which are useless under DC Current

Although we used Induction Coils with DC for many years, for example in a cars ignition coil to fire the spark plugs, it simple energized the coil with 12 volts, building a magnetic field in the coil. The coil is basically energized all the time. When the points in the distributor open, the 12 volt source from the battery is interrupted, so the electromagnetic field collapses. As it collapses, it induces and Back Electro Motive Force (Back EMF, or Voltage Potential of many thousands of volts), which then jumps the spark gap to engine ground.

It's basically a one shot device, and is only good for a Pulse of energy. In order to step DC up or down in voltage is extremely difficult, but with AC, one simply need to get the appropriate transformer to step up, step down, or isolate one power supply from the other. AC makes it simple.

I'd still like to know why Stanley Meyer was relegated to the realm of Tesla, especially since his Water Fuel Cell makes perfect sense.

A friend recently wrote to the White House asking for their complete records of the many interaction that Stanaley Meyer reportedly had with the US Military and NASA reagarding his work of energy systems, but he hasn't heard back from them at all. Not even a receipt or acknowledgement of his query.

If the Stanley Meyer device were to become a reality, the consequences would remove all power from the bankers.

[MindPilot]

95. It is still fundamentally AC and that's what makes almost everything work

That ignition coil is still basically a transformer and the points are simply a mechanical means to vary the magnetic field.

A better example is any of the motors in a car, starter, window, seat, mirror, fan, fuel pump, etc. All DC, right? They are actually AC devices; the commutator is a mechanical device to switch the polarity of the DC so effectively AC is delivered to the windings.

Fact is without Tesla's work in AC, about the only electrical device we'd have today would be a light bulb.

[conscious evolution]

79. I've always

thought combining the two would have been the best approach.
AC for generation,transmission and distribution changing to DC for end users.
To bad Edison was such a fuckhead.Equal collaboration could have led to intrigueing possibilities.

[Kajsa]

87. Edison went a bit further with the animal experiments.

He also electrocuted an elephant to make his point.

Wow- What a mensch!

:grr:

[burning rain]

22. He could rock, too. His cover of "Signs" was awesome.

^

[Wetzelbill]

100. had to know something like that was coming nt

[ro1942]

23. thanks

what a great story thanks joanne

[Piewhacket]

24. I have NO idea why this is in DU, but Tesla is well known to scientists.

Magnetic fields are measured in units of Tesla, your favorite MRI machine included, just ask the tech how many
Tesla the machine magnetic field is. They might want to tell you in Megahertz, which isn't magnetic field at all but
the nuclear magnetic resonance frequency of the hydrogen atom in the magnetic field of (whatever) Tesla. So
just politely demand the magnetic field be stated IN TESLA.

Then you can data dump everything you know about Nikola Tesla that you learned from the video, and wow the tech.

And when the little men come for you to escort you off the premises, you can also mention that the SI
(System International) unit measuring magnetic flux density or magnetic induction (commonly known as the magnetic field "B"),
is the tesla, symbol T, and was named in Nikola Tesla's honor in 1960.

Just thought you'd want to know. You know, FYI and all.

Best

[Joanne98]

26. Because Tesla got fucked over by the money people....

It's totally political and REALLY IMPORTANT!

:hi:

[Wednesdays]

25. K&R

:kick:

[Grinchie]

28. Don't forget HAARP and a patented Ozone Generator.

As anyone can imagine, Tesla practically lived in a highly Ozonated environment when he was experimenting with high voltage. Ozone is simply a bundle of 3 Oxygen atoms linked by sharing electrons. Normal, stable oxygen is O2 or two Oxygen atoms.

Ozone is created in nature by Lightning, and at High Altitudes when the energy from Ultra-Violet light charges Oxygen and allows the creation of O3. Ozone can actually grow to O4, O5 and so on, limited only by the amount of energy transferred to the Oxygen atoms.

Ozone is very much purposefully maligned, and is associated more with being harmful than helpful to the Human organism. This could not be further from the truth. Ozone is a reactive form of Oxygen, and we just happen to thrive in the presence of Oxygen. Many of the most pathogenic organisms are Anaerobic, meaning they cannot survive in an oxygen rich environment. Cut off Oxygen to a human, and see how long you last. Yet, Ozone is portrayed "As the primary constituent of Smog", which is is a way a trying to induce the public into thinking this naturally occurring compound as toxic. They will never mention that fact the Smog is also composed of unburnt Hydrocarbons, Nitrous Oxides and CO2, which are the main cause to the creation of Smog created Ozone, as Nitrogen is a reactive substance in it's own right.

They don't mention that Nitrous Oxide eventually turns into a fine aerosol of Nitric Acid either.

The truth is that Ozone is highly reactive, and the 1 free Oxygen atom want to get to a stable place, whether it be Rust, reacting with other chemicals in the envirnment, virii, bacteria, human cells, etc.

One will see numerous articles on the hazards of Ozone, where people are reported to have received lung damage from Ozone. This is false. These people already HAD LUNG DAMAGE, either through disease, pollution, Smoking, dust, and any of a number of ways you can get foreign contaminants into your lungs. These people had dead and damaged cells in their lungs, and the Ozone goes to work, oxiding the contaminants into bioligaclly accessible components ready to be flushed out through normal body mechanisms. An overload of these now accessibles waste products can cause the well known "Healing Crisis", which if one is not ready for it, can overwhelm someone with a weakend immune system.

An additional point is that Ozone will not harm helthy, human cells, but damaged or diseased cells will be oxidised and flushed out of the system, which is perfectly normal, yet we see all of these advertisements about the benefits of Antioxidants in keeping every cell alive, despite the fact they may be weak or compromised. This is a big scam in my opinion. We Lose billions of cells everyday, normally. We also create billions of cells each day, normally, just to remain in a static balance. Although, it is apparent that many Americans tend to keep all the cells they create, thus explaing the massive numbers of 350 pounds idiots that roam the streets of America (When they get off the couch)

People blindly drive their cars on the freeway, many times in bumper to bumper traffic, thinking they are breathing air. Well, maybe. Perhaps they are breathing the batch of air that came into the cabin when they got into the car at the start of the trip, and since they are on A/C recirc, are breathing and consuming the finite source of oxygen held in the car.

Or maybe they have the window down, and now they are breathing the same air as the miles of other cars are breathing. Try this experiment. Take a Hefty garbage bag and hold the opening tight arouns the tailpipe of an idling car. Count how many seconds it takes to fill a 3o gallon bag, and you'll get the idea of how much crap you breathe when you are commuting. Then, use a little empathy and look at the surrounding communities that live next to the freeways, and you can quickly realize that many americans are Oxygen starved, and loaded with pollution. No wonder they go into a healing crisis when they all of a sudden get exposed to Ozone. It's because all the crap embedded in their lungs is breaking down from the biologically inaccessible forms, into oxidized and more easily flushed components.

Ozone is used in Europe to disinfect hospitals, purify the air in the Subway in London and to disinfect swimming pools instead of dumping toxic Chlorine into the water, which causes toxic reactions, irritated eyes and skin, etc. America hates Ozone, because we are owned and operated by the chemical companies that make CHlorine and all the other Chemicals that are used to disinfect or cure disease.

My partner and I have had a high volume Ozone generator running 24 hours a day for 2 years and have more energy, have had no colds, know when we have been exposed to dust or toxins, because the Ozone immediately helps the body break down and remove the chemical compounds from our bodies, and keeps our home relatively dust, mold and bacteria free. The chemical companies have suppressed Ozone, much like they tried to suppress the brilliance of Tesla.

Ozone is a miracle substance. An Ozone device consumes very little energy, and requires no filters, or consumables. The mediacl industry in America is totally frightened of Ozone, because it threatens pharmaceuticals, as well as other diseases that thrive on lack of oxygen and the acidic PH it gives the Body. Ozone helps the body becoume more Alkaline.

Get and Ozone generator. Go slow with exposure at first until you clean out your body. Going too fast will cause coughing and flu like symptoms as the gunk in your lungs is made accessible and removed through normal body waste removal systems. If you are really toxic, the odor of Ozone may seem terrible to you, it will pass.

I have a lot of fun taking an Ozone generator whenever we visit friends. Almost everyone that lives in a Urban area reacts dramatically to Ozone. The friends that live in the open country, with lots of fresh air and trees don't even notice it. This is a fact. I have seen it myself.

[wildbilln864]

34. Much in your post I'd never heard before. Thank you!

I need to look further into this. :hi:

[ekwhite]

39. Ummm

Ozone is a wonderful disinfectant BECAUSE it is highly toxic. When it is used to disinfect swimming pools, hospitals, and subways, it is broken down back into elemental oxygen using ultraviolet light (ozone is an unstable molecule).

Breathing it in high concentrations constantly WILL damage your lungs through oxidation (think Free Radicals).

[Grinchie]

42. Active oxygen is the driving force in our metabolism

Our healthy cells are able to withstand oxidation because they have a protein cover that resists it. When the cells are unhealthy, and ready to be removed, which is the normal process of life, they will be oxidised, because the protein is missing.

The fact of the matter is that We are Oxygen loving organisms. The fact of the matter is that the earth at one time had a higher concentration of Oxygen in the atmosphere than it does today. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that when you burn fossil fuels, you are binding up the finite source of Oxygen with carbon in the forms of Carbon Dioxide, Cabon Monoxide, Nitrous Oxide, Sulfur Dioxide and other, biologically (To us anyway) inactive forms. Then top it off that forest acreage in the millions of acres is detroyed annually, and you get the drift that we are cutting off the supply of oxygen available to the world.

You probably believe that the reported 18% is the same in all areas of the world. Well, it isn't. If you live in the city, or near a freeway, or near a factory, the oxygen levels can be dramatically reduced.

As far as your ridiculous theory of:

Ozone is a wonderful disinfectant BECAUSE it is highly toxic. When it is used to disinfect swimming pools, hospitals, and subways, it is broken down back into elemental oxygen using ultraviolet light (ozone is an unstable molecule).

You left out, Toxic to Anaerobic bacteria, and simple organisms that are oxidized.

I have no idea what madman taught you that "It (Ozone) is broken back down to elemental Oxygen using Ultraviolet light". This is totally ass backwards. Ultraviolet light is just one means of CREATING ozone due to the energy transfer of the UV Light to the O2 Molecule which enables it to share a bond with another free atom of Oxygen, O3 and so on. O2 is the stable version, and it needs energy to turn into O3, not the other way around.

This kind of BS that floats around the web is the typical result of a concerted effort to cause Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt among uneducated people that are too lazy to check into it for themselves. If you are so frightened, you'll never attempt to discover the benefits for yourselves, and thats the whole point. The FUD factor is what drives most Americans to give Corporate "Authority" their money willingly.

Don't use it if you are so scared. There are millions of us that use Ozone every day, and it's no skin off my back if you want to continue to live in ignorance. Just don't expect me to let you spread patented Bullshit regarding Ozone on DU.

[Hanse]

50. As opposed to inactive oxygen?

"Our healthy cells are able to withstand oxidation because they have a protein cover that resists it."

No, our healthy cells have a phospholipid bilayer, which will react particularly well with ozone to produce things that are called Reactive Oxygen Species (ROSs). ROSs are particularly toxic, leading to things like cancer, and artheriosclerosis. Of course, high concentrations of ozone simply cause cell narcosis.

"The fact of the matter is that We are Oxygen loving organisms."

We're O₂ loving organisms, not O₃ loving organisms. We're also H₂O loving organisms, that doesn't mean we do well with H₂O₂.

"You probably believe that the reported 18% is the same in all areas of the world. Well, it isn't. If you live in the city, or near a freeway, or near a factory, the oxygen levels can be dramatically reduced."

Well, I believe it. It's not like oxygen has the viscosity of maple syrup. It mixes with other gases rather well.

"This kind of BS that floats around the web is the typical result of a concerted effort to cause Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt among uneducated people that are too lazy to check into it for themselves. If you are so frightened, you'll never attempt to discover the benefits for yourselves, and thats the whole point. The FUD factor is what drives most Americans to give Corporate "Authority" their money willingly.

Don't use it if you are so scared. There are millions of us that use Ozone every day, and it's no skin off my back if you want to continue to live in ignorance. Just don't expect me to let you spread patented Bullshit regarding Ozone on DU."

By all means- crank your personal ozone generator up to full blast. Take a big pull.

"You left out, Toxic to Anaerobic bacteria, and simple organisms that are oxidized."

It's toxic to anaerobic bacteria. It's toxic to aerobic bacteria. It's toxic to plants. To fungi. And to animals. You know they use it to exterminate insects, don't you? Insects are animals, btw. They love oxygen too.

"I have no idea what madman taught you that "It (Ozone) is broken back down to elemental Oxygen using Ultraviolet light". This is totally ass backwards. Ultraviolet light is just one means of CREATING ozone due to the energy transfer of the UV Light to the O2 Molecule which enables it to share a bond with another free atom of Oxygen, O3 and so on. O2 is the stable version, and it needs energy to turn into O3, not the other way around."

Ultraviolet light turns diatomic oxygen into monatomic oxygen. Monatomic oxygen can react with diatomic oxygen to produce ozone, or it can react with ozone to produce diatomic oxygen. So UV is responsible for both the creation and destruction of ozone.

Of course, ozone just spontaneously decomposes into diatomic oxygen anyway.

[ekwhite]

51. The same madman who designed the ozonation system

for my pharmaceutical plant's RO water, thank you very much.

Ozone IS an unstable molecule that releases the O- radical. It CAN be created using ultraviolet light, true. It can also be BROKEN DOWN using the energy using ultraviolet light to return to its elemental O2 state - O3 will break down rapidly, but it can be broken down more rapidly using UV as an energy source. This is not BS FROM THE WEB. This is basic chemistry. You seem to be the one spreading bullshit. Bullshit that can be dangerous to asthmatics such as myself. You also seem to be using ad hominem attacks instead of facts.

By the way, have you ever heard of oxygen poisoning? That is what scuba divers don't use pure oxygen instead of compressed air or exotic gas mixes. Above 2 atmospheres partial pressure, elemental oxygen is highly toxic, causing convulsions and death.

Check out the wonders that ozone does to your lungs in this EPA brochure (reference:EPA). If ozone is not toxic, why is it regulated to PPB levels in the atmosphere? The toxicity of ozone is a fact, according to OSHA and EPA, not a "ridiculous theory."

There is a huge difference between elemental oxygen and ozone - the instability of the ozone causes to release oxygen free radicals, oxidizing surfaces it comes in contact with, including those magically "protein protected" lung cells. It is by oxidizing the surface proteins on those cells that ozone does its damage.

By the way, ozone is toxic to aerobic and anaerobic bacteria, excluding those that specifically produce catalase to counteract the toxicity. It can even kill spore formers given enough contact time - spore formers that contain an extremely thick, extremely tough protein coat, much tougher than any cell wall.

[Grinchie]

57. So you work for a Pharmaceutical company?

Of course, I could attack you for being part of the Pharma industry, which appears to be behind all the nonsense and fear behind Ozone, but I won't.

Of course, you are adding energy to the system. O3 can turn into O4, O5, even all the way up to O18 as far as I know. Being that O2 is the most stable form of atmospheric oxygen, and that O3 breaks down readily, it is truly an enigma why your pharmaceutical company would add more energy to a process that needs none to do it naturally.

I'm fully aware of the toxcity of Oxygen at increased partial pressures. This does not apply here in the Ozone, and it never will, so I don't see what your point is in bringing up the issues that deep see divers are subjected to at depths below 300 feet.

What concerns me more, is Nitrogen Narcosis, or Martini's law, where Nitrogen becomes toxic at 100 feet, which happens to be 3 atmospheres, oxygen toxicity doesn't really start until 4 atmospheres, or 120 feet.

The EPA is bought and paid for by the big Corporations. They pass regulations that no other country in the world has in order to conceal simple, effective, products from being discovered by the uneducated public, thus satisfyine big Corporate interests.

Again, you have bought into the "Antioxidant" myth. When your cells engulf a piece of dust in your lung, what happens to them? Does the crap just sit there and encyst into an inert mass? Does your lung magically incorporate the foreign matter into your body? Well guess what, those cells use the extra atom of Oxygen and synthesize minute quantities of H2O2, thats right Hydrogen peroxide, in order to Oxidize the contaminant, virus, bacteria, etc. The cells need to be removed after they die, and are absorbed back into the body to be disposed of.

There is a world other than America that has used, and continues to use Ozone in medicine and other useful function in place of pharmaceuticals and chemicals. This is a fact.
Ozone can cause distress to those with compromised pulmonary function. That is a fact.
Ozone is a source of Active Oxygen, which is healthy component of our immune systems. This is what people believe, but they are prevented to do so by the FDA. I believe it.
Tesla liked Ozone. He designed and patented an Ozone Generator. He lived to be 86. That's enough proof for me that it doesn't cause lung disease.

I'm truly surprised that you so ardently attack Oxygen, the one element that we absolutely require to function on earth. It truly boggles the mind.

You mention that you are asthmatic. Have you ever asked yourself why you are an Asthmatic? Are you able to recall any sources of dust or other pollutants that may have contributed to it? If you have access to an Ozone Generator, do you immediately go into an asthmatic attack or are you so frightened of an attack that you are unwilling to try?

If you have asthma, then something is definately wrong in your lungs, so it would be totally understandable for you to have a severe reaction to ozone as whatever is irritating your lung tissue begins to get oxidized and removed. Go very slowly at first. You will most likely come down with flu like symptoms as your body tries to remove the waste. It is not too late to clean out your lungs. I smoked cigarettes for nearly 20 years, but prior to that I was a Scuba diver, and extremely athletic, so my lung capacity was always very good. Your body, upbringing and lifestyle will affect you differently. If you smoke, you will have a severe reaction to ozone as it interacts with all the crud in your lungs. I quit smoking several years before using the discovering the therapeutic use of Ozone, and even then, I went through a 2 week period of cleansing.

If you attempt it, you must drink plenty of water, as much as you can, in order to help your waste removal systems cope which increased load.

Ozone can be a medicine, or it can be a room deodorizer/sanitizer. It is up to you to decide how to apply it.

As for me, it gives me extra energy, I feel great, and have lung function like a teenager. I researched O3 quite thoroughly before I dove in. Now, I wish I had known about it 20 years ago.

BTW, in my research, I had to learn about many different things before I could understand what was being written, especially the gobbledegook written by the Paid Ozone assassins by the Corporate interests. As I began to see the statistically meaningless studies, made note of omitted relevant facts in the Smog version of Ozone, and the general 180 degree opposition to Ozone in America via regulation and Corporate funded studies, versus the widespread use of Ozone in europe and asia, I knew that something was up with ozone.

Furthermore, I believe that Ozone allows us to recoup some of the extra energy released when the O3 molecule breaks apart and during the oxidation process. It's my belief, it works for me, and I think other people should know about alternatives that are cheap, effective, non-polluting and easier on the environment such as Ozone.

And by the way, I think your term Ozone is Toxic to Aerobic and Anaerobic... is semantically incorrect. It is not necessarily toxic per se, but actually oxidizes the organism at the molecular level, transforming it into another form. I think Destructive to Aerobic and Anaerobic is more appropriate, but what do I know.

I do know one thing however, and that is Ozone is a miracle substance and have many benefits to mankind. It makes my life better, it keeps my house cleaner, 24 hours a day, without toxic household cleaners, and it is cheap and effective. It absolutely destroys mold and mildew. Whwnever I discover an area that has been contaminated with Mildew, the Ozone generator is put in place, running full blast, 24 hours a day until the odor and mildew is neutralized.

The only problem I have with Ozone is the need to have an AC outlet for the big generator, although I have a smaller battery operated unit for my car. It's a vintage, collectors item Sharper Image portable Ozone Generator that I've had operating continuously in my car for 10 years.

Seriously, don't take my word for it. I suggest you be skeptical and research it yourself. Always question your sources and read the scientific documents with full comprehension. Always follow the money. Pharmaceutical companies can not patent Ozone, and telsa beat them to the machine on September 22, 1896.

The only reason I'm replying to the misinformation you guys are spreading is because I have already done my due diligence years ago, and it is still fresh in my head (well fresh enough anyway). I am always amazed to see people regurgitate the same second hand propaganda over and over again, but thats indicates the the true message is still obscured, but like Global Warming, the groudswell of peopl that take notice wiill eventually outweight the FUD factor spread by the Corporate and big pharma interests.

Follow the money. That phrase is especially relevent here when one looks at research papers that try to paint Ozone in a bad light.

[ekwhite]

86. Why is working for a pharma company a bad thing?

I work for a plant that literally makes life-saving medicines, and that's a bad thing? Good luck with your herbal cures and ozone generators. I'll stick to modern medicne, thank you very much.

By the way, here's another impartial site (Allergy Consumer Review) discussing ozone.

[Grinchie]

120. Nothing, I said I could wail on you, but I didn't.

But apparently, you are so insecure about your work in manufacturing lifesaving medicine, that you needed to bring it up.

Go ahead, stick you your allotropic medicine. It has a place in the world of sick people, and very little in my life since I choose to prevent illness in the first place.

It is clear that your work in creating lifesaving medicines has had very little impact in treating your asthmatic condition, and I find it quite humerous that my octegenarian mom can handle massive amounts of ozone without even a scratchy throat, while apparently the slightest little amount will trigger an attack in you. Do you have a pet? Do you live in filth or next to a freeway?

Go figure, to each his own, and hasta la vista medicine man

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

115. Every part of your post is wrong.

"Of course, you are adding energy to the system."

You mean during ozone generation? Yeah that's why ozone is bad for you.

"O3 can turn into O4, O5, even all the way up to O18 as far as I know."

You're thinking of ¹⁸O, the oxygen isotope, not O₁₈ the allotrope. O₄ and O₅, but they're just freak experimental allotropes and have no real world function.

"Being that O2 is the most stable form of atmospheric oxygen, and that O3 breaks down readily, it is truly an enigma why your pharmaceutical company would add more energy to a process that needs none to do it naturally."

The pharmaceutical industry has no interest in using energy to convert ozone to diatomic oxygen.

"What concerns me more, is Nitrogen Narcosis, or Martini's law, where Nitrogen becomes toxic at 100 feet, which happens to be 3 atmospheres, oxygen toxicity doesn't really start until 4 atmospheres, or 120 feet."

Oxygen, being only ~20% of the gas in a scuba tank, has a lower partial pressure than nitrogen. And equal partial pressure oxygen is more toxic. But this has nothing to do with ozone.

"The EPA is bought and paid for by the big Corporations. They pass regulations that no other country in the world has in order to conceal simple, effective, products from being discovered by the uneducated public, thus satisfyine big Corporate interests."

Conspiracy theory.

"Again, you have bought into the "Antioxidant" myth."

What antioxidant myth?

That oxidation is bad for cells? That's well proven.

"Again, you have bought into the "Antioxidant" myth. When your cells engulf a piece of dust in your lung, what happens to them? Does the crap just sit there and encyst into an inert mass? Does your lung magically incorporate the foreign matter into your body? Well guess what, those cells use the extra atom of Oxygen and synthesize minute quantities of H2O2, thats right Hydrogen peroxide, in order to Oxidize the contaminant, virus, bacteria, etc. The cells need to be removed after they die, and are absorbed back into the body to be disposed of."

Pieces of dust cause inflammation. Inflammation causes oxidative stress. Oxidative stress is characterized by production of toxic molecules live hydrogen peroxide, which destroy tissue. The body fights oxidative stress with things like peroxidases, which rapidly destroy hydrogen peroxide, and other antioxidants like ascorbate.

"There is a world other than America that has used, and continues to use Ozone in medicine and other useful function in place of pharmaceuticals and chemicals. This is a fact."

There's a world where people use collodial silver and crystals. They're quacks too. That's a fact.

"Ozone can cause distress to those with compromised pulmonary function. That is a fact."

Ozone can cause compromised pulmonary function in healthy individuals. That's a fact.

"Tesla liked Ozone."

Tesla was a eugenicist who thought Albert Einstein was wrong and that the theory of relativity, which he didn't believe, was really invented by a fellow Yugoslav in the 1700s. And he tried to invent and sell a "death ray" that never worked.

Despite the few inventions of his which did work, the guy was a fucking nut.


"I'm truly surprised that you so ardently attack Oxygen, the one element that we absolutely require to function on earth. It truly boggles the mind."

There's an important difference between oxygen and ozone.

"Have you ever asked yourself why you are an Asthmatic?"

There's a good chance that ozone is involved. That's why asthma is so common in cities with lots of smog.

"Ozone can be a medicine, or it can be a room deodorizer/sanitizer. "

Ozone is neither a medicine nor a room deodorizer. It can be used to sanitize in high concentrations. Those little deodorizing machines they sell on late night TV don't produce a high enough concentration to do anything.

"As for me, it gives me extra energy, I feel great, and have lung function like a teenager. I researched O3 quite thoroughly before I dove in. Now, I wish I had known about it 20 years ago."

You have the scientific literacy of a preteen.

"Furthermore, I believe that Ozone allows us to recoup some of the extra energy released when the O3 molecule breaks apart and during the oxidation process. It's my belief, it works for me, and I think other people should know about alternatives that are cheap, effective, non-polluting and easier on the environment such as Ozone."

There's a lot of energy released when you pour gasoline on yourself and set yourself on fire. In fact, it's even a form of oxidation. That doesn't mean it's good for you.

"And by the way, I think your term Ozone is Toxic to Aerobic and Anaerobic... is semantically incorrect. It is not necessarily toxic per se, but actually oxidizes the organism at the molecular level, transforming it into another form. I think Destructive to Aerobic and Anaerobic is more appropriate, but what do I know."

All toxins work on a molecular level by definition.

[Grinchie]

121. HighFrusctose Pron Syrup, the GMO Cheerleader.

I remember you from HR 875 discussion, then one defending GMO..

Nice to see you took the time to type a bunch of BS, but your previous post demonstrated that you are something to avoid.

You are spewing all the coroporate talking points that promote disease and ill health. I love the way that you claim that adding extra energy into a system is a bad thing. Hate to tell you this, but our body generates electricy, heat, and performs trillions of chemical reactions every second, and you seem to thing that we all get it from food.

Wake up death wisher, the life you prolong may be your own.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

135. Notice a theme?

I defend and support science.

Not pseudoscience, actual science.

"I love the way that you claim that adding extra energy into a system is a bad thing."

I love how you think adding energy to a system is a black/white issue.

"Hate to tell you this, but our body generates electricy, heat, and performs trillions of chemical reactions every second, and you seem to thing that we all get it from food."

Food and respiration. Last I checked, humans don't use photosynthesis.

"Wake up death wisher, the life you prolong may be your own."

That's why I support real science. Not ozone as medicine, like you, or eugenics, like Tesla.

[uppityperson]

118. The irony is amusing

"Of course, I could attack you for being part of the Pharma industry, which appears to be behind all the nonsense and fear behind Ozone, but I won't." Yet your subject line is "So you work for a Pharmaceutical company?"


"Pharmaceutical companies can not patent Ozone". Huh. Probably can't patent water either.

[enki23]

40. i'm really hoping, for your sake, that this post is satire.

if so... it's a bit on the too subtle side. i have the same tendency, the being too subtle thing. to get more than half your intended audience to "get" satire, without labeling it such, you damned near have to actually hit them over the head with it.

of course, if it's not satire... whatever chemistry knowledge you think you've acquired, well, it's all wrong. somehow, you appear to have acquired a *negative* understanding of basic chemistry. and i sincerely hope, for your sake, that what you appear to believe is an ozone generator... isn't an ozone generator. or at least, is a remarkably inefficient ozone generator. if you somehow happen to have some device that emits any significant amount of ozone, and manage to get the concentration in your enclosed space above, say, .1 ppm (the OSHA-approved TLV for a 40 hour work week for light work), and if you actually use said device regularly... all i can say is that i hope you either wise up before significant fibrotic lung damage sets in, or at least provide a useful object lesson for others who might be so foolish.

as an aside... i've seen claims that at least some people can smell ozone down to around .05 ppm or so. if you, or your friends can smell it, that means you are getting *at least* half the TLV. most likely more than that. i sincerely hope you and your friends don't have kids.

oh... and those volatile organic compounds and nitrogen compounds you're talking about? (elemental nitrogen, by the way, makes up the majority of the air you and i breathe. or... that i breathe anyway. and it's far less reactive than oxygen). anyway, the main reason those compounds contribute to smog, and are a problem for human health, is that they undergo a series of reactions which culminate in the production of... *ground level ozone*.

[Grinchie]

55. Again, More anti Ozone BS from an "expert"

Your remarks such as "I've seen claims" and "OSHA Approved" and "Is a remarkably inefficient ozone generator"
reeks of the misinformation fed to Americans regarding Ozone.

The device I use produces 782 mL per Hour. It cranks it out, I have no idea what that relates to in regards to PPM, as it would vary on the volume of air in the room.

Of course, your admirable warning that I "wise up before significant fibrotic lung damage sets in", I'm sure is valid, and undoubtably you will provide links to your documentation that provides for this sort of pathology as related to exposure to Ozone.

There are numerous tests attempting to prove that Ozone is harmful, but nearly all the studies are designed in such a way as to make Ozone appear more dangerous than it really is. For example, one study on Rats induced scar tissue by instilling Bleomycin directly into the rat trachea, damaging the lungs. Then they subjected the rats to Ozone, also instilled directly into the Trachea to see what effect it had on the already damaged lungs. In the end, they really could not prove any serious causal effect even at .25 ppm ozone, injected directly into the trachea of a rat!

If you look around, you'll see that nearly all the studies focs of individuals that already have damaged lungs, or are suffering from Pulmonary disease. I have no arguments that Ozone would affect these individuals, who are loaded up with pre-existing toxic pollutants, scar tissue and other inert contaminants would react in a healing crisis. You think the body can immediate flush out trillions of dead cells all at once? Not a chance. The body take weeks, if not months to flush out intracellular waste through normal mechanisms such as Kidney, Liver and Skin. These organs can most certainly be overburdened in weakend individuals. The issue I have with these studies is that they are purposely selecting subjects that have already been compromised by pollution in some way. The most basic study, entitled "Does Ozone cause lung disease?" is purposefully omitted, and one has to ask why.

How come we do not see studies showing that people actually develop lung disease for Ozone alone? Well, there is an answer to that, it's because they haven't been able to prove it, unless perhaps they administered 100% ozone, which would definately cause problems for anything. Nor have their been any studies that provide a causal link of any deaths of healthy indiviuals by Ozone. The only documented study indicated that Pneumonia cases increased after a period of extreme smog in Los Angeles which included ground level ozone, which you describe accurately above and the result of the reactions of unburnt hydrocarbons, Nitrous Oxide, Nitric Acid and VOC's. Now ask yourself, if the air quality is so bad and full of Noxious smog as to create high amounts of Ground Level Ozone through the reactions, then why on earth would one Omit the primary cause of the Ozone, the Smog, in the first place. After all, Ozone is Oxygen that has an extra free oxygen atom. If one think of the amount of other polluntants required to make that much Ozone at ground level, you'd realize that one had better be indoors on days like that, because the smog will damage you. Add to the fact that you inhale these molecules, which are toxic, and cause your lung cells to die. Add some ozone, and voila, a healing crisis as the body starts working to cleanse out the overwhelming piles of dead cells.

You are not going to trap me in the one size fits all claim that Ozone is for everyone. The body is an amazing machine, and it has finite limits on what it can and cannot do. Every individual needs to evaluate the efficacy of anything for themselves. However, there are many things that are not allowed to be known by American medicine, especially since it has been invaded by the Pharmaceutical companies that demand profit at any cost. Why on earth would they want you to know about Ozone if it indeed helps clear out foreign contaminants by oxidizing them into components that the body can remove? Why would they want you to know that perhaps preventing worn out cells from being oxidized and removed may be bad for your health? Why would they want you to know that much of the energy we use is directly produced by the biologically active single atom of Oxygen, of which O3 gives up do readily?

I once read that it is estimated that the human lung can have up to one tablespoon of fine particulate matter inhaled per day. Has anyone ever considered how those particulates are removed?

Fortunately, America is not the center of the world, and it doesn't control the thoughts of Wuropean countries or of Asia, so Ozione is used everywhere as a cheap and effective disenfectant, air freshener and health aid. They don't even use Chlorine in the Olympic pools over there, they use industrial strength Ozone generators that do the same job, with no pollution whatsoever other than the libids and flocculent that forms when the contaminants are oxidised and filtered out of the water.

The amount of misinformation that is spread on Ozone is a crime against humanity.

As I said to the other misinformed person above, if you're so afraid, then don't bother. My partner and I am very happy with it. So is my 85 year old mom who runs her O3 generator 24 hours a day, and I don't need to convince you to get beyond your fear and lack of understanding in order for you to use Ozone. We are not the only ones that do this.

As my original post mentioned, Tesla, along with thousands of people with Tesla Coils and other experimenters of High Voltage electricty are saturated with Ozone and no early deaths or disease has been reported as far as I can see.

As far as you last comment on Nitrogen, a little sarcasm is in order.

<SARCASM>
You are right, Nitrogen is so inert. I guess I'm just imagining that Nitric Acid is so Powerful, or that Nitro Glycerin is explosive, or maybe Ammonium Nitrate was used in Oklahoma City, the first attempt on the WTC, or that police aren't worried that Pallets of Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer are stolen. Your right, Nitrogen is so benign, My rudimentary knowledge of chemistry has let me down once again.
</SARCASM>

I don't know where you guys get off trying to denounce something as simple as Ozone, and defend the Nitric Acid droplets in the air, along with increased CO2 and Carbon Monoxide as a result of burning fossil fuels is somehow not related to pulmonary disease, while it's the ground level Ozone that supposedly is the culprit. You guys are too much.

[ellisD]

106. Um... NOx != N2

Nitrogen the element, N2, is very inert relative to most other non-noble gases! All 3 of the examples of "reactive Nitrogen" you listed are oxides of Nitrogen, not the element itself. Hell plants aren't even able to take in elemental Nitrogen, instead relying on Nitrogen fixing bacteria in the soil to convert it to usable ammonia like compounds. That's why you only see oxides of Nitrogen forming in high energy environments like around a lightening strike, in the upper atmosphere, or inside a car engine.

Nitric Acid is so strong because the aqueous nitrate ion is quite stable (just look at its solubility compared with other polyatomic anions). The 3 oxygen atoms create a negative dipole, leaving the N-H area relatively positive and thus not a strong attractor to the hydrogen proton. The result is that when HNO3 can't wait to give the H away as soon as it meets a stronger proton acceptor (ie water) which makes it a GREAT acid as weak acids like to hang to their protons.

Ammonium Nitrate is relatively stable until given enough energy to decompose, which it does readily because its products, water and nitrous oxide are at a lower energy state than the starting NH4NO3 (and an increase in entropy)
NH4NO3 => N20 + 2 H20

Nitroglycerin is explosive due to the Nitro (NO2) groups, which contain alot of energy relative to most covalent bonds, and are semi-unstable due to the resonance between the one single N-O and double N-O bonds, acting like 2x 1.5 bonds - and that the dipole on the NO2 group makes the C-N bond relatively positive...

I have a theory that the increased energy you feel is NOT a direct result of the ozone itself removing dead tissues, but more that the ozone being emitted is reacting with things in your environment, and your body, and the resulting 02 byproduct means an increased localized O2 levels in your home.... I would be interested to see if a medical oxygen tank set to emit the same 782mL per hour resulted in the same increased energy levels and feeling of well being

[Grinchie]

122. Nitrogen is reactive nonetheless.

So is Ozone, which has bothe therapeutic and oxidative uses, which was my point.

We are 60% water by weight, which is H2O. Our metabolism and energy production system is geared to process oxygen. It's only common sense that we are oxygen loving species.

Now all of the datractors here are spounting of on all of the propanganda that is promoted from dubious sources, along with clinical chemistry lectures on the evils of Ozone and oxidations, but it is clear that they have never experienced ozone, or have subjected themselves to an ozone rich enviroment, such as the one that I live in.

They promote to one side of a very complicated series of effects that Ozone can cause or induce in people and compounds.

They are absolutely right, but they are only focused on the negative issues, and ignore the well know healing properties of Ozone, and the abilty of many people to enjoy the extra negative ions it imparts to the air we breathe.

If the detractors actually did their science, they would see that Ozone has many benefits, and would agree with me, but they are in fear, unwilling to learn and experience for themselves.

I challenge anyone on this thread to provide a documented link to any death caused by Ozone exposure, or for Smoking marijuanafor that matter. They won't be able to do it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

136. Nitrogen is notorious for being particular unreactive.

Great efforts have been made to get nitrogen to react.

"We are 60% water by weight, which is H2O. Our metabolism and energy production system is geared to process oxygen. It's only common sense that we are oxygen loving species."

By that logic we're also hydrogen loving species. But that doesn't mean huffing H₃ is good for you.

"They promote to one side of a very complicated series of effects that Ozone can cause or induce in people and compounds."

The health effects of ozone are not particularly complicated.

"but it is clear that they have never experienced ozone, or have subjected themselves to an ozone rich enviroment"

Au contraire, I have.



"I challenge anyone on this thread to provide a documented link to any death caused by Ozone exposure, or for Smoking marijuanafor that matter. They won't be able to do it."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080422135728.htm

[ellisD]

137. and by your logic Xenon is also reactive...

since at high temperatures and pressures it can be forced to combine with fluoride?

lol just where exactly is it you studied chemistry at?

[TZ]

108. wow..I never knew that ozone was associated with brain damage

Because your posts are some of the most irrational I have ever seen. Ozone is DEADLY ITS FUCKING SMOG YA MORON!
If you think living in the polluted atmoshphere of Downtown LA is healthy..you really do need medication. Seriously.
BTW, I'm a biologist who knows actual chemistry not ALCHEMY. I'm surre you are busy turning lead into gold as well currently.
Wow.
You don't have a rudimentary knowledge of chemisty....YOU HAVE NONE. Babbling various elements doesn't make you right.
I feel bad for anybody who falls for your con game. And if you actually believe this..than you do need help cause you are living not in this reality

[Grinchie]

123. You sir are an idiot

The ozone isn't whats killing you in LA. It's the microparticulates, and droplets of nitric acid entering your lungs.

Biologist -- In what field? Merging Bovine brain cells into human brains?

Remind me to avoid any products your involved in, beacuse your so "Sure" that you cannot even demonstrate your claims. People are just supposed to take your word for it.. yeah right.

Forget about the unburnt hydrocarbons, tire dust, soot, industry and 8 years of Bush looking the other way on air quality, and blame it on ozone.. Lol.

Tell it to the Europeans and the Asians and I'm sure they will ban the widespread use of Ozone generators on your word.. Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah!

[LeftishBrit]

110. Ozone definitely has its dangers...

Ozone pollution is a well-known problems which affects the health of humans as well as other species:

http://www.environmental-protection.org.uk/air-quality-and-climate/air-quality/ozone-pollution/

Exposure to ozone can cause severe respiratory illness, and is recognized as an occupational disease in certain jobs. Animals are also vulnerable to it; a few years ago, several sharks in the National Maritime Aquarium died because too much ozone was accidentally released into the aquarium.

[Grinchie]

124. Please read the report carefully.

Ozone is a secondary pollutant formed by the action of sunlight on primary pollutants - these are nitrogen oxides from vehicle emissions and industry and volatile organic compounds from vehicles, solvents, paint and industry. Nitrogen oxides react in sunlight (photochemical reaction) to form ozone - a major constituent of photochemical smog. Other constituents are PAN (peroxyacetylnitrate) and aldehydes.

It is important to note that this form of Ozone is the secondary pollutant to a severe primary base of pollutiuon for Vehicles and industry.

It amazes me that here it is, written in plain english, that this type of pollution is accompanied with a whole cocktail of other more deadly toxins in the air, which people would rather ignore and leave out of the equation. It it well known that ozone will react with many compounds, so why is it lost on people that Ozone, in conjunction with NO2, VOCS, and Aldehydes is what makes it smog? Im sure that these people don't realize that Ozone will transform Limonene into Formaldehyde, and that if you clean your kitchen with that stuff and then crank up the ozone generator, you are making a batch of Formaldehyde.

No, they would rather repeat the Corporate mantra of Ozone is Smaog, and leave it at that, even though it is only 1/10 the story.

The myth perpetuated about ozone in America is that it is the "Primary " constituent in smog, which is absolutely false. I thank you for posting this link, as it shows that the disinformation campaign is falling apart, as the different industrialized countries that are unwilling to deal with pollution for fossil fuels and industrial pollution are having problems keeping their campaigns coordinated.

Some of the better Ozone generators have been manufactured in the UK, so I can see why the British government would have to change their tune to make Ozone not such a horrible threat as the US Gorvernment does.

I am actually trualy amazed at the fervent attacks on Ozone. I have seen nothing written here that would make me change my initial analysis.

The geologic record shows that Oxygen levels in the atmosphere were at one point higher than they are today. Lightning strikes the earth constantly and generates ozone, only without VOCs, No2, and Aldehydes. When these people get the Fossil fuel out of the equation, only then will they realize the Ozone is the scapegoat for Fossil Fuel pollution. It' its natural form, it realativly benign.

[muriel_volestrangler]

131. I suspect you don't understand what 'secondary pollutant' means

It means, as that page says, that while primary pollutants are produced directly by vehicles and industrial processes, the ozone is produced later, by the action of sunlight on those primary pollutants. It does not mean that it's less dangerous that the nitrogen oxides; it means that it's not produced directly by the processes which need to be regulated.

What that page does say is:

Effects of ozone pollution

Ozone is an unstable oxygen molecule and therefore a strong oxidising agent. It is very reactive and can impact on health. Elevated concentrations can cause eye, nose and throat irritation, chest discomfort, cough and headache. People who exercise or suffer from bronchitis, respiratory allergies or asthma are particularly at risk.
Ozone is also damaging to crops - peas, beans, spinach and wheat are all particularly susceptible. It can affect crop yields and tree growth. It also damages materials such as rubber, paint and textiles. Material damage is related to long term exposure to ozone rather than severe episodes. As ozone is very reactive with all surfaces, it is unlikely that high concentrations will be found indoors.

So, if you feel like trusting that page, then take that message away from it. It's bad for everyone; and particularly bad for people with breathing illnesses. If your machine is truly making ozone, you are hurting other people who visit your home.

[JackDragna]

47. It's no miracle substance. It's terrible for you.

You can drag out any government conspiracy you want, but ozone is a highly reactive, unstable compound that doesn't mix well with living tissue. In addition, no reliable scientific study has shown ozone to "detoxify" anything. It's a pseudoscience boondoggle.

[BobTheSubgenius]

54. Puts me in mind of comestible hydrogen peroxide.

A VERY useful and healthful substance. Corporations found that it was almost infinitely more profitable to produce pharma to combat illness than to prevent it, so.....it went 'out of fashion.' I know people that swear by it.

[Grinchie]

61. I also use Hydrogen Peroxide and swear by it.

Hydrogen Peroxide is another source of indvidual atoms of Oxygen, which is the whole point behind Ozone, which easily gives up a single atom of Oxygen which can be used for biological purposes, such as oxidising dead and damaged cells, and performing numerous useful biological funtions.

The funny thing about Hydrogen Peroxide though, is that the stuff you by in the Pharmacy section of any supermarket, is _ADULTERATED_. Thats right, check the label. It will read either "Stabilized Hydrogen Peroxide" or Walgreens is even sneakier "Topical Hydrogen Peroxide U.S.P.". What this means is that in order to prolong the shelf life of H2O2, and keep it from turning into H2O+O, they add something called a sequestrant, or a chemical that stabilizes it. This chemical can be a metal, such as selenium, or a compund such as Dequest, a toxic chemical made by our friends at Monsanto. In fact, the labeling laws are so lax, that they don't even have to specify what the adulterant is, but you can be certain that it will not be good for you if taken internally.

Whenever I get a cut, I use "FOOD GRADE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE" in an eye dropper and cover the wound. I haven't had an infection in 2 years following this regimen for cuts. I also use several drops of H2O2 in a glass of water twice a day, and it definately changed the nature of my bowel movements for the better.

I once mistakenly used the Topical Hydrogen Peroxide U.S.P. on a cut. It didn't heal like it normally would. In fact, instead of the tingling one feels as the H2O2 works on oxidizing the dead cells, their was a painful sensation. It was then that I realized I had missed the word "Topical" on the bottle, and that I was using adulterated H2O2. I had also taken a few drop in a glass of water and it tasted very bitter, unlike food grade H2O2.

That was when I set out to find out what the hell the Sequestrant was in the H2O2 being sold in the mass markets.. Guess what, they can't answer it, so I just avoid that crap entirely. It may be H2O2, but with the adulterant in it, it isn't even good for disinfecting a gallon of water. Maybe for bleaching some wood...

If anybody here uses H2O2, like the millions of others that know about the benefits of active oxygen, never ever use the stabilized type for wounds or internal use. The chemical they mix with it are a great big unregulated unknown that's not worth the price.

Buy food grade, keep it in the fridge, and mix your own.

[uppityperson]

119. Guess you missed research in the last 10 yrs showing h2o2 can drive bacteria deeper into wounds

which is why emergency people and health care providers don't use it so much for washing out wounds.

[Grinchie]

126. So what do they use to wash out wounds?

In my previous post, I mentioned that Hydrogen Peroxide sold in pharmacies is adulterated with heavy metals and toxic chemicals in order to preserve shelf life.

Food Grade H2O2 is pretty expensive after all.

[uppityperson]

134. Sterile saline

[Evoman]

77. Oh man...that's not cool.

My partner and I have had a high volume Ozone generator running 24 hours a day for 2 years....


Please, this is really dangerous. I know you are going to think I'm some pharma shill, but still...please. Ozone can really hurt you...please research free radicals and their effects on your body. You can't mess with that stuff. I really hope this post is a joke.

[Grinchie]

125. Please Please, Link your research to free radicals.

There are many kinds of free radicals. Oxygen free radical just happen to be part of the life process as far as I'm concerned.

Take a deep breath.

All of this heresay stuff isn't going to cut it. You'll have to provide links to real research if you are going to make a difference.

There is much reasearch that leads me to view that the free radical theory, which was developed in the 50's, is based on bad science. Show me the evidence, after 50 years, that reducing oxidation in the human body has helped reduce cancer and other diseases. The fact of the matter is that cancer levels are relataively flat, and their is little evidence that clinging to every weak, dead or dying cell in order to prolong life actually works. If fact, their is much evidence to show that acidic PH in the body is conducive to the development of cancer. I have several acquaintances that used Ozone therapy to survive their cancer. They had to go to Mexico or Europe to get it.

So, how does one create an Alkaline PH in the body? Thats right, Oxygen. Want to creat Acidic PH? Don't breathe.

It's that simple. If more people knew about this, we'd have a lot less disease. I am not afraid of losing the trillion or so cells a day that I do. This is a natural process, and the mchanistic approach to the human organism is the biggest crime against our health that we have.

To think that to live longer that I need to hang on to every cell, whether it is healthy or sick is ludicrous. I choose growth and not fear, and hanging on to every last cell is fear mode.

If Ozone was so bad for you, they would have banned Ozone generators years ago, but they purposefully make the regulations state that it is harmful, only do to regulations from the EPA that is protecting the Pharma.

[conscious evolution]

80. This should be its own OP

[Emillereid]

98. A friend of mine credits ozone as primarily responsible for curing her

lymphoma. She found a fellow who had made an ozone generator to cure his own cancer - and he made one for her. She drinks ozonated water and even has a suit in which her whole body is infused with the stuff. It's apparently illegal so the fellow has to do his work underground. My friend had several relatives with lymphoma (including her mother) die after chemo, etc and she said her body simply recoiled at the idea. Her first oncologist 'fired' her for not doing chemo but she found another who supported her efforts. In fact, he once told her he had not ever had a patient who was as successful as her and that she should "keep doing whatever it is you are doing. It's working!"

I've met a few other people who cured themselves of cancer using ozone. One woman got rid of her colon cancer by an attachment that infused her colon with ozone.

Apparently there is some research using ozone in cancer treatment going on in Japan and Europe - but not here - as it conflicts with the interests of BIG PHARMA.

[TZ]

109. She cured herself by sitting in SMOG?

Because thats what ozone is. This ozonated water..is snake oil. Your friend was lucky to survive. I bet they had some real treatments along with the magic dust...
BTW if you put ozone in your colon you would kill all your NATURAL bacteria and be dead of a infection in days.
You snake oil merchants are disgusting..making money off of desperate people and when they die its cause of "traditional medicine"/
People like you should be prosecuted --you are a menace to society.

[Grinchie]

128. Please, provide links.

It just so happens that E. Coli, which lives in your GI Tract is not harmed by Oxygen. The Putrafacting or anaerobic bacteria are.

You don't want anaerobic bacteria in your gut. They create poison and make you sick.

You keep spouting off that Ozone is smog.. Please explain your findings, because as far as I'm concerned, the unburnt crap coming out of the talpipe is the result of unburnt fossil fuels, which consumes the air to burn. Ozone does not come out of the tailpipe, so you have just bought into the biggest lie the auto and oil industry has promulgated to shift the blame somewhere else, especially since Ozone, when not mixed with dozens of other toxic chemicals is actually good for you.

[muriel_volestrangler]

132. E. coli is harmed by ozone, though

http://www.electrochem.org/dl/ma/206/pdfs/2185.pdf
http://www.cababstractsplus.org/abstracts/Abstract.aspx?AcNo=20043019293
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119921666/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

and so on.

I note you have never given a reference for your own claim that "ozone is good for you".

[Grinchie]

127. In the late 90's a friend did the same thing, had ozone therapy and his cancer remissed

He broguht back some literature from europe which described the various treatments, and I was pretty amazed.

I then heard about a technique of disinfecting rain catchment water in 2004 with food grade H2O2, since we were using Chlorine and were not comfortable with that. I balked, and it wasn't until 2006 that I ran across "Mr. Oxygen" and read one of his books on the subject.

This was fortuitous, because I had just finished the book, "The Cancer Cure That Worked - The Story of Royal Rife", which describer bioelectric techniques for curing cancer. What caught my attention was that Rife used Electro magnetic energy (Radio Waves) to stimulate the resonant structure of certain organisms which would cause them to destruct or devatilize "In Vivo". I thought that it was amazing that I had never heard of this technology, and it is even more amazing that this technology was developed during the great depression, and then subsequently suppressed. The book documents the political hatchet job performed by the AMA other institutions in oder to protect there precious grant money, while at the same time, the cure was left to wither without funding.

To think of all the suffering people that were left to die shocked me.

Anyway, reading about rife cause me to research the web for more information, and I found out about Hulda Clark, Crane, and ultimatly, . Oxygen.

I think Mr. Oxygen (Ed McCabe) congealed the connection for me that our bodies are bio-electric mechanisms, driven by the reactions of chemical reactions, free radicals, bio-activly charged atoms, and all the rest of the miraculous things our bodies do every second. When one realizes that much of what we have been taught about medicines is just somebodies best guess, derived from some guys in the 16th century cutting up cadavers, then one realizes it is better to open ones eye and use objective judgement instead of depending of the subjective rhetoric of others.

I have acqauintances in the medical field who are very experienced. They never once follwed the low fat diet, ate margarine or anything else the madison avenue promoted. They also related to me that the medical system is corrupted, and that it is no fun being a doctor anymore. If thats not the gods given truth.

So, armed with tons of literature, real life testimonials for cancer survivors who literally live and breath ozone now, without any side effects whatsoever, I tried Ozone and have been amazed. I did have an initial mild Herxheimer Reaction (Healing Crisis) which abated in about a week. The experience was that of mucous breaking free in the lungs which was then coughed out. Kind of like a mild flu. The material had color as well, but other than that, I only had a scratchy throat, and the odor of Ozone was very very strong.

I continued occasional sessions and built up the dosage over a period of 2 weeks, because I was concerned about overwhelming my bodies cleansing mechanisms, which have a finite capactiy to deal with toxins and waste. This experience taught me a great deal about the rate at which my body deals with toxins, which is a whole of topic of discussion, because it is clear that many people don't have a clue that our bloodstream is swimming whish waste all the time, nor do they understand what we can do to help out liver, kidneys, lungs and skin get rid of excess toxins. And I'm just talking about environmental and normal metabolic waste. Add bacteriologic or infectious waste into the picture and it can easily be overwhelmed.

What I like about ozone is that it tells me immediately if I have been breathing too much dust or pollution or whatever, since it immediate goes to work oxiding the contaminants that manage to get into my lungs, where the it is absorbed into the body and flushed out.

I'm now reading Wilhelm Reich's books on Orgone Energy and yet again, their is a connection to the Bio Electric, energetic force in nature that drives the life process. The overall theme of suppression in regards to the research of Rife and Reich are intriguing, and the patterns are quite striking. Additionally, Reich was a very astute scientist, and his descriptions of the lead up to the rise of Fascism in Nazi Germany is chillingly familiar to what we see in America today.

It is clear that American medicine has no interest in preventative medicine. It is purely allotropic, and alternative therapies are forced to the fringes.

The empty barrels here that have obviously done nothing with Ozone themselves are quite happy to project their fear onto others.

[truedelphi]

133. Here's my testimony to what you say:

I lived in the S F Bay Area since 1981. An area with about seven million people and all these cars.

For years I tried to get my health to be okay. Drank purified water, ate organically. Someone told me the mold in my house might be a factor- so in the summer I slept outside many nights. No difference in how I felt. The women in my community worried about health cancer - Marin County has the highest rate of breast cancer in the state (but only a smidge above the rates of other Counties - not much significantly worse than the other places.) No one at any of the lectures or events sponsored by various Breast Cancer Non Profits ever mentioned Smog from cars!

Nothing worked for me - and then we moved to the country.

Suddenly my health improved. I was no longer eating organically - but just the absence of all that friggin' smog had changed my health for th better.

Anyway I don't know your background, and am curious. I like that you are thinking outside the box - a dangerous thing in this day and age. Why it is now highly unscientific - to think outside the box. You know, Corporate "Science" tells us we can only believe THEIR results in THEIR funded research laboratories at the local bought out university. And they DO NOT LIKE Ozone!

[ekwhite]

37. Tesla was a genius of the first order

But long distance wireless energy transmission is not feasible. Even with coupled inductance, transmitted energy decreases with the square of the distance from the point source. This is not to diminish the incredible contribution that Tesla made to modern society. JP Morgan may have squelched the idea to prevent "free electricity" from happening, without realizing that the idea was not feasible, or he could have squelched the project because it wasn't feasible.

[Gamey]

43. Tesla is a classic example of the goat-fucker syndrome

His headstrong insistence in implementing the wireless electricity transmission idea was perhaps his downfall. Perhaps the resistance to this was so strong that the US went further backwards in adapting its standard of the less efficient 120 volts versus much of Europe's 220. Others such as DaVinci, Galileo and Pascal were baby-steps compared to him. Truly an American hero.

[ekwhite]

53. Amen to that

A tragic hero, made even more heroic by over-reaching. His daily fights against mental illness make his accomplishments even more amazing. Who knows, maybe he could have made his wireless transmission idea work - his level of genius invokes Clarke's 3rd law - "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[RedCloud]

41. people like Tesla should quietly defect to some place where they get respected.

Imagine that. Good old capitalist pigs being taught a lesson from which they can never recover.

[pnorman]

45. I have his biography:

"WIZARD. THE LIFE AND TIMES OF NIKOLA TESLA". It's about 1/3 completed, and it's in with the pile of other books that are scattered in my bedding. (The others have to do with the 1934 Maritime Strike, which I'm currently refreshing my memory with.)

I'm not really satisfied with that video; it struck me as both somewhat lurid but superficial. But it's inspired me to put aside the other books for the while, and get back into that biography. And yes, Tesla had been among my childhood heroes.

pnorman

[Grinchie]

62. There are better videos on the web.

You are right, this is one of the schlockier ones that doesn't do him justice.

[JackDragna]

48. Tesla was an accomplished man. Not as accomplished..

..as many in this thread have made him out to be, however. He suffers from what I like to call "Coast to Coast" syndrome: his work, and his life, are made far more important than they really are by believers in "hidden" science and government conspiracies to suppress knowledge. Some of the inventions credited to Tesla by the OP are not even things for which Tesla can reliably be given credit.

[babythunder]

65. What inventions do you

contest Tesla should not have been given credit for?

[Tommy_J]

72. Correct

Tesla is credited with many "inventions" that were really just concepts, some of which are not practical at all. And some of what he did invent is of no practical significance either. Take, for example, the bladeless turbine. We are surrounded by turbomachinery in this modern word but you will never see a bladeless version.

I don't wish to be critical of Tesla but find assertions that he was among the greatest of scientists as absurd and an affront to those who were.

[Grinchie]

129. I saw one the other day on YouTube

A guy was manufacturing them, I forget where I saw it though, and it looked like video from the 80's.

They are out there, just because you haven't seen them does not mean they are not used in industry.

Try looking up "Hydrosonic Pump", and you'll sort of get the impressing that it doesn't exist, but that fact of the matter is that big industry took this technology for Oil refineries and Food manufacting, while we get to sit by with 40 gallon water heaters burning gas or electricity 24 hours a day.

[Hanse]

49. Sure, it's a big conspiracy.

They named a unit for magnetic flux density after him, ensuring that generations of scientifically illiterate Americans would never really pay proper attention to him.

Robot? Lasers? VTOLs?

Sure, in the same way that Leonardo da Vinci invented mammograms, Google, and lobster thermador.

[alphafemale]

56. How is Tesla unknown? To me he's maybe not as celebrated as the PR Kings Edison & Einstein

But he's at least as big as Marconi.

Wait...did I just out myself as an uber geek?

So far as dying penniless?

Leonardo DiVinci also died penniless.

Visionary isn't exactly the world's most highest paid profession.
And you'll likely be long dead before receiving the glory of vindication.

Genius and mental instability sometimes is sometimes hand in glove unfortunately.
Sounds like that may have been Tesla's ultimate undoing.

And a world where people were completely shielded from the consequences of poor choices would not be a place I'd want to live.

[Tumbulu]

89. I am with you, I thought everyone knew of Tesla

this whole discussion has educated me. I am too insulated in my little world.

Now, the fact that the bankers and business community are the parasites of the inventive .....this is also not news at all. It is the norm. This is all well known to anyone who studies any of the sciences.

But I am glad that it is being discussed as clearly the rest of the population are unaware.

[Lorien]

58. I told a friend about Tesla years ago. He didn't believe me at first

and once he started reading up about him he was even more baffled by the fact that he had never heard of him before. My friend became so intrigued by what he discovered about Tesla's experiments that he started writing a graphic novel that incorporates some of them, along with our government's hunt for a lost notebook. The series is only a few issues in and there's already real interest from Hollywood:




"The Prestige" also brought some attention to Tesla,but he's still not a household name. Who knows just how many of our problems could be solved by what's hidden in the books that were confiscated?

[Grinchie]

63. The real tragedy is the underfunding of his work after that capitlaists got done

He made Westinghouse a fortune, and when the time came for Wireless transmission of energy, which would decimate the demand for power transmission lines, and seriously affect the steel industry, which was held by powerful corporatists, had his funding cut out from underneath him.

If this isn't a lesson in how big central banks and the moneychangers can shape the direction technological advance takes then I don't know what is.

Everyone needs to look at Tesla and see how Big Money can strangle innovation in order to preserve an existing profit system. It's happening today. Look at the EV-1 and GM. Look at the Ford Electric pickup. Look at Stanley Meyers Water Fuel Cell Technology. Look at AIG, and the rest of the gambler banks.

We are at the culmination of all this avarice and greed. Enough is enough.

[dbmk]

112. Jeff Smith is your friend?

Bone is fantastic. I guess I should check up on his other work too.

[Lorien]

113. Yeah, for 25 years now

He was sweet enough to dedicate the RASL trade paperback to me because it came out of our discussions about Tesla and the Philadelphia experiment while he was working on "Bone" for 12 years. RASL isn't like Bone at all; it's very dark, very "film noir", and certainly not for kids! He will be returning to books for a crossover audience after he finishes it. There's a "Bone" film in the works now too, though I'm never convinced that a movie will make it to the screen until it's at least halfway through production, lol!

[dbmk]

114. Well, Bone isn't exactly a childrens story either. :)

Its pretty dark - but just extremely funny as well. :) Excellent characters.

I will certainly check out RASL.

[babythunder]

64. Thank You Joanne

for sharing a video on one of the world's greatest scientist. He was truly a man before his time. Without his inventions we all would be living in a very different world.

[byronius]

66. Read the biography a month ago. Love Tesla.

[SlingBlade]

67. Much of it I believe can be attributed to Edison

Thomas Edison was built up to such an extent that there was simply no room for Nikola Tesla.

I don't even think Edison was in the same league as Tesla.

He was an absolute genius, But he was also a dark complected foreigner with a funny sounding
name. Lets face it, Just another more worthy candidate for the worlds admiration and respect
thrown in the trash bin of history for no other reason than his genetic makeup

I was introduced to Nikola Tesla, Whom I'd never heard of at this point in my life by reading a
wonderful little book called ...

"Empires of light : Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, and the race to electrify the world"

To this day I am flabbergasted when I see Thomas Edison's name mentioned in this field
while there is no mention of Nikola Tesla. Tesla is the father of what we see around us today
Only ignorance if not bigotry continues to deny this man and his ideas his righteous place in
not only America's history, But the worlds.

[DFW]

69. I first heard of him in Yugoslavia in 1973

I was in Zagreb and saw a large street named after Tesla, and wondered who he was.

It was near Marshall Tito square, so I figured he must have been some compatriot
who fought with Tito during the Second World War. I was amazed to find out that
he was one of the most brilliant inventors since Da Vinci.

[Greenheron]

71. Tesla

"He made Westinghouse a fortune, and when the time came for Wireless transmission of energy, which would decimate the demand for power transmission lines, and seriously affect the steel industry, which was held by powerful corporatists, had his funding cut out from underneath him.

If this isn't a lesson in how big central banks and the moneychangers can shape the direction technological advance takes then I don't know what is.

Everyone needs to look at Tesla and see how Big Money can strangle innovation in order to preserve an existing profit system. It's happening today. Look at the EV-1 and GM. Look at the Ford Electric pickup. Look at Stanley Meyers Water Fuel Cell Technology. Look at AIG, and the rest of the gambler banks.

We are at the culmination of all this avarice and greed. Enough is enough."



Very well stated. This has been a pattern in Amerika for a long time. Particularly at and around the time Tesla was going. There were many scientists and innovators from eastern Europe that were encouraged to come to America , only to have there stuff jacked by the likes of Morgan. I encourage anyone who is in to this to read about Viktor Schauberger. Also go to the website of Frank Germano. He has a lot of documentation on this topic.

[conscious evolution]

73. I wish GE

would market his power tower they recreated.

[MindPilot]

76. and let's not forget the Electric Chair

Edison was attempting to prove his DC was better because Westinghouse's (Tesla's) AC was too dangerous to have in your house. To prove the point, Edison's people staged a publicity stunt electrocuting an elephant with AC. When that didn't get the reaction they wanted (WTF kind of PR people did Edison hire?) they tried it again using a convicted prisoner. The rest as they say is history and now ironically enough the Electric chair uses DC and your house has AC.

I've been thinking recently that the story of electricity would make a very good movie. Most people don't have any idea of the big-money back-stabbing that went on behind the scenes. It is a thrilling tale.

Thanks for posting this joanann98!

[FourScore]

82. Edison was a complete ass. n/t

[FourScore]

81. I've always been a fan of Tesla. n/t

[progressoid]

83. And he invented the FLUX CAPACITOR!!

[MindPilot]

94. Yes, but like many inventions before their time,

it would be the 1980's when the development of the DeLorean finally made Tesla's Flux Capacitor feasible.


Emmett Brown used Tesla's ideas for his own enrichment just like Edison and Westinghouse.

You do know that Tesla also invented hover technology, the self-drying jacket, and weather control, don't you?

[progressoid]

99. People don't want to face the reality that Tesla also "borrowed" a lot of his ideas from others...

It's true, I read it on the internets

[ensho]

84. kick

nt

[Unca Jim]

85. Tesla was an aristocrat.

He was not a "man of the people", dedicated to Socialist ideals. He certainly, like many aristocrats of his era, was a decent person who tried to help out those less fortunate that himself; however his politics were conservative.

As for being unrecognized, Time put him on the cover of the magazine when he was 75.

And, finally, as for being penniless: He lived in hotels most of his life and always wore a suit. Truly, he had little money personally but he never lived poorly.


He was an amazing person, truly a genius who gave the world a lot. He was persecuted by Edison, but he also had a lot of bad ideas which contributed more to his downfall than anything else.

[wildbilln864]

91. I love it when people....

make assertions and give no evidence to support said assertions and just expect others to believe it.

[Unca Jim]

102. Umm...OK...

I wasn't making wild assertions, nor was I expecting anyone to disbelieve what I said.

My opinion comes from the several biographies I have read about Tesla, his upbringing, and the aristocrats he hung around with.

Here's a transcription of a radio broadcast that is a nice brief biography: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s690290.htm

If there was something in particular in my previous post you thought untrue, let me know and I'll link to whatever you need.

I certainly wasn't trying to dissuade anyone from learning more about this fascinating and brilliant man.

[nradisic]

90. My namesake...

I am a very proud Serbian American and I share my first name, Nikola, with this great man. I keep on educating my kids, who are growing up in NJ, the land of Edison, that Thomas Edison did not come up with inventions, but used Nikola . Tesla's inventions to enrich himself.

Nikola deserves all the praise he gets. Without his work, many of today's conveniences would not exist and life as we know it would be very different.

[lib2DaBone]

92. K&R ..HIs idea to deliver electricity to homes via radio waves...

can you imagine if they hadn't stolen this project? He wanted to send electric power to homes through the air.. like radio and TV.

No wires... No poles.. no worry from tornados or ice storms. Clean and quiet... cheaper.. better...

That's why it will never happen.. it makes too much sense. Politicians do not delve into things that "make sense". Drill baby drill.. now we're talking profit AND sensability. (not)

[Lorien]

117. As Morgan said: you can't put a meter on it

if electricity were free it would upset the balance of power. The power elites won't allow that. They would rather destroy our planet then let go of the reins of power.

Now they want to raze what's left of Wardenclyffe: http://gothamist.com/2009/05/05/tesla.php

[LibDemAlways]

93. All 300 of the sophomores at my daughter's high school have to do a

history project on an important historical figure. No two kids are allowed to report on the same person, so a lottery is held to determine selecting order. The kid who got 1st pick picked Tesla!

[LongTomH]

97. Joanne, Thanks a million for this post!

Tesla is one of my heroes, along with Bucky Fuller and Gerard K. O'Neil, all men whose work could have made the world a much better place, if we have just listened to them. Maybe it's still not too late!

[kimmylavin]

101. So interesting!

Thanks for that. :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

104. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours. I've known about

Tesla for years now and when I learned about him, was totally floored and still remain in awe of his genius today.

[pam4water]

105. Mark so I can come back and find it later. N/T

[vaberella]

107. I know Tesla.

He was the guy that built that massive generator in Canada that provides light in NYC?! Right?! Thanks for the post.

[Lorien]

116. It looks like they are trying to destroy what's left of Wardenclyffe:

http://gothamist.com/2009/05/05/tesla.php

[Grinchie]

130. Just found this great video

Heavy Watergate

This is the story of Fleishman and Pons, who discovered anomalous overuity energy during electrolysis. It was dubbed "Cold Fusion" and was a huge story in 1989.

I wasn't paying too much attention back then, but looking back at the story, you can see the suppression and demonization that has stifled new discoveries since Tesla.

What's really interesting is that Papa Bush was president, the same guy that was in the White House that had all the Solar Hot water heaters removed from the roof of the white house that Carter had installed.

Why is it so surprising that this discovery was quashed by a president with huge interests in the Oil industry.

Upon review, this video is so infuriating I want to turn into a Hippie and sock it to the man until he starves.