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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 10:52 AM
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No guns for Negros
 
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Interesting Two Part video!

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g7TbxkJuqA
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:03 AM
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1. Elitist white liberals in Manhattan penthouses & Georgetown townhouses all favor gun control
which is easy to do when you have armed private security keeping you safe.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:04 AM
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2. Yep...No way can a person argue with that....NT
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:17 AM
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3. Anti gun bigots can not be allowed to run away from their racist roots
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:32 AM
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4. It all started as away to disarm the poor and the minorities, and
it continues today in the same vein - The anti gun organizations are founded and controlled by Republicans and man of the anti gun Democrat pols have armed security and or their own carry licenses, which they would deny you.

It is a long, continuing lie.

mark
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:36 AM
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5. Things have gotten better since the 60's
but only incrementally so. Responsible adults retaining the tools and skills for self-defense, is never a bad idea.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:15 PM
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6. Pull the tregroes negroes, we're with you all the way... Just across the bay.
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Jemmons Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 01:40 PM
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7. Stinking pile of bullshit in that video
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 02:06 PM
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8. What part, and post rebuttle.............if you can LOL!!!! NT
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 10:43 PM
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9. Crickets....
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 12:04 AM
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10. Google 'force acts or enforcement acts'
They were congress's attempt to rectify 'Black Codes' set up by southern states after the war to effectively strip blacks of rights (including the right to bear arms.) They were interspersed with the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. Also look at the Civil Rights Act of 1866, 71, 75 (at least 66, been a while since I looked at the others.)
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 03:55 PM
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11. Digger, sometimes you need to hold thier hand...
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:33 PM
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12. That's right, it's racist gun lobby propaganda guised as anti-racism
Blacks are jailed at a rate 5X higher than they were in Apartheid S Africa. In general 1 in every 136 US citizen is in jail right now. Most for non-violent drug offenses. Everybody who's familiar with the drug economy knows: it's about drugs coming from Mexico and guns going the other direction. There is some effort to shut down drug production but no effort against the US gun industry. That's because they rule the USA.

they brainwashed the whole population of lemmings to march right down the precipice while citing the 1st half of the 2nd amendment. In fact no free nation allows guns on the streets and allows the aggressive marketing of it as the US and incidentally no other western nation has the violence, slavery and wanton police brutality you see in the US. they are all related to the huge profits this racist anti american gun lobby makes by brainwashing millions with their propaganda.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:37 PM
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13. What part of the video was racist??
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:16 PM
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14. the whole idea of guns in black communities
Edited on Sat May-30-09 08:19 PM by szatmar666
to defend themselves is racist because it plays the race card to hurt the community. It's very cynical and effective. just think of the gun sales in white neighborhoods when Obama got in office. this is the same: it aims at increasing sales for an industry that is based on the enslavement of blacks. It also gives the police an excuse to go in with militarized squads every time there is an emergency: it solidifies and rationalizes the whole system of oppression.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:40 PM
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15. Are you saying Black people are not capable of protecting themselves?
What on earth would lead you to think that???
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 09:38 PM
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16. no civilian is "able" to protect themselves
it's the job of the police to protect citizens, that's why they are payed. the whole "protect yourself with your guns" marketing BS is propagated just so the police can oppress you instead of protecting you. EVERY country where guns are unrestricted are chaotic and violent and far from free places. If your "protection" argument is correct Afghanistan, Iraq and Sudan are the safest places on the planet: everybody and their 14 year old has a gun. Protection my ass!
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:34 PM
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17. It is _not_ the job of police to protect you..
If that were true, you could sue for failing to do so..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

In the early morning hours of Sunday, March 16, 1975, Carolyn Warren and Joan Taliaferro who shared a room on the third floor of their rooming house at 1112 Lamont Street Northwest in the District of Columbia, and Miriam Douglas shared a room on the second floor with her four-year-old daughter, were asleep. The women were awakened by the sound of the back door being broken down by two men later identified as Marvin Kent and James Morse. The men entered Douglas' second floor room, where Kent forced Douglas to sodomize him and Morse raped her.

Warren and Taliaferro, hearing Douglas' screams from the floor below. Warren telephoned the police, told the officer on duty that the house was being burglarized, and requested immediate assistance. The department employee told her to remain quiet and assured her that police assistance would be dispatched promptly.

Warren's call was received at Metropolitan Police Department Headquarters at 0623 hours, and was recorded as a burglary-in-progress. At 0626, a call was dispatched to officers on the street as a "Code 2" assignment, although calls of a crime in progress should be given priority and designated as "Code 1." Four police cruisers responded to the broadcast; three to the Lamont Street address and one to another address to investigate a possible suspect. (This suggests that when they heard that there had been a burglary, the police must have felt that they had a promising lead on a culprit.)

Meanwhile, Warren and Taliaferro crawled from their window onto an adjoining roof and waited for the police to arrive. While there, they observed one policeman drive through the alley behind their house and proceed to the front of the residence without stopping, leaning out the window, or getting out of the car to check the back entrance of the house. A second officer apparently knocked on the door in front of the residence, but left when he received no answer. The three officers departed the scene at 0633, five minutes after they arrived.

Warren and Taliaferro crawled back inside their room. They again heard Douglas' continuing screams; again called the police; told the officer that the intruders had entered the home, and requested immediate assistance. Once again, a police officer assured them that help was on the way. This second call was received at 0642 and recorded merely as "investigate the trouble;" it was never dispatched to any police officers.

Believing the police might be in the house, Warren and Taliaferro called down to Douglas, thereby alerting Kent to their presence. At knife point, Kent and Morse then forced all three women to accompany them to Kent's apartment. For the next fourteen hours the captive women were raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon one another, and made to submit to the sexual demands of Kent and Morse.

By a 4-3 decision the court decided that Warren was not entitled to remedy at the bar despite the demonstrable abuse and ineptitude on the part of the police. The court held that official police personnel and the government employing them are not generally liable to victims of criminal acts for a failure to provide adequate police protection.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County

In 1980, a divorce court in Wyoming gave custody of Joshua DeShaney, born in 1979, to his father Randy DeShaney, who moved to Winnebago County, Wisconsin. A police report of child abuse and a hospital visit in January, 1983, prompted the county Department of Social Services (DSS) to obtain a court order to keep the boy in the hospital's custody. Three days later, "On the recommendation of a "child protection team," consisting of a pediatrician, a psychologist, a police detective, the county's lawyer, several DSS caseworkers, and various hospital personnel, the juvenile court dismissed the case and returned the boy to the custody of his father."<1> The DSS entered an agreement with the boy's father, and five times throughout 1983, a DSS social worker visited the DeShaney home and recorded suspicion of child abuse and that the father was not complying with the agreement's terms. No action was taken; the DSS also took no action to remove the boy from his father's custody after a hospital reported child abuse suspicions to them in November, 1983.<2>. Visits in January and March, 1984, in which the worker was told Joshua was too ill to see her, also resulted in no action. Following the March, 1984, visit, "Randy DeShaney beat 4-year-old Joshua so severely that he fell into a life-threatening coma. Emergency brain surgery revealed a series of hemorrhages caused by traumatic injuries to the head inflicted over a long period of time. Joshua did not die, but he suffered brain damage so severe that he is expected to spend the rest of his life confined to an institution for the profoundly retarded. Randy DeShaney was subsequently tried and convicted of child abuse."<3> Randy DeShaney served less than two years in jail. He currently resides in Appleton, WI.

<snip>

The court opinion, by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, held that the Due Process Clause protects against state action only, and as it was Randy DeShaney who abused Joshua, a state actor (the Winnebago County Department of Social Services) was not responsible.

Furthermore, they ruled that the DSS could not be found liable, as a matter of constitutional law, for failure to protect Joshua DeShaney from a private actor. Although there exist conditions in which the state (or a subsidiary agency, like a county department of social services) is obligated to provide protection against private actors, and failure to do so is a violation of 14th Amendment rights, the court reasoned "The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf... it is the State's affirmative act of restraining the individual's freedom to act on his own behalf - through incarceration, institutionalization, or other similar restraint of personal liberty - which is the "deprivation of liberty" triggering the protections of the Due Process Clause, not its failure to act to protect his liberty interests against harms inflicted by other means." <5>. Since Joshua DeShaney was not in the custody of the DSS, the DSS was not required to protect him from harm. In reaching this conclusion, the court opinion relied heavily on its precedents in Estelle v. Gamble and Youngberg v. Romeo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

During divorce proceedings, Jessica Gonzales, a resident of Castle Rock, Colorado, obtained a restraining order against her husband on June 4, 1999, requiring him to remain at least 100 yards from her and their three daughters except during specified visitation time. On June 22, at approximately 5:15 pm, her husband took possession of the three children in violation of the order. Gonzales called the police at approximately 7:30 pm, 8:30 pm, 10:10 pm, and 12:15 am on June 23, and visited the police station in person at 12:40 am on June 23, 1999. However, the police took no action, despite the husband's having called Gonzales prior to her second call to the police and informing her that he had the children with him at an amusement park in Denver, Colorado. At approximately 3:20 am on June 23, 1999, the husband appeared at the Castle Rock police station and instigated a fatal shoot-out with the police. A search of his vehicle revealed the corpses of the three daughters, whom the husband had killed prior to his arrival.

<snip>

The Supreme Court reversed the Tenth Circuit's decision, reinstating the District Court's order of dismissal. The Court's majority opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia held that enforcement of the restraining order was not mandatory under Colorado law (thus making this a technically narrow ruling); were a mandate for enforcement to exist (making Scalia's statements afterward technically obiter dicta), it would not create an individual right to enforcement that could be considered a protected entitlement under the precedent of Board of Regents of State Colleges v. Roth; and even if there were a protected individual entitlement to enforcement of a restraining order, such entitlement would have no monetary value and hence would not count as property for the Due Process Clause.

Justice David Souter wrote a concurring opinion, using the reasoning that enforcement of a restraining order is a process, not the interest protected by the process, and that there is not due process protection for processes.
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:45 PM
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18. good solid reasearch, thanks
Your point taken, it proves that the US is in the grips of a right wing judiciary, but no society EVER got safer by giving guns to people. There will be innocent people dying in mostly minority neighborhoods because of jerks like Roberts and Scalia I have no doubt.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:38 PM
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19. Not just right wing..
DeShaney was 6-3 in 1988, Warren was in DC Circuit court (very liberal in 1981).

Point is, though, if the police can abdicate responsibility for protecting you from criminals, you have to protect yourself. Even if the police couldn't abdicate that responsibility, their number and distribution would preclude being very effective in a majority of cases.

fyi, the deacons for defense weren't the only black organization dedicated to defense- there were effectively black militia units in the south immediately post-reconstruction- "Between 1866 and 1870, the federal congress allowed the re-creation of state militia, as long as the militia were loyal, that is black or white Republicans. In effect, the majority of militiamen were black." ('Republican' meaning 'for the republic', not a political party.)

Dickerson, Donna Lee: The Reconstruction Era: Primary Documents on Events from 1865 to 1877 Page 371. Greenwood Press 2003. ISBN 0313320942
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:47 PM
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20. again, a non-sequitur
Just because american police is a tool of the oppressive elite, it doesn't mean the solution is to say "therefore everyone is for himself". That's a right wing dogma and it doesn't work. I challenge you or any gun advocates to point to a society where guns solved crime and gun violence. you can only believe such nonsense if you are unaware of crime records in EU or Japan and their gun laws. They have much more freedom than americans. In Japan 1 in every 2000 citizen is in jail. In the US that's 1 in ever 136. Largely because of the drug-gun economy and general lawlessness perpetrated by this elite. The solution is to change the political system, not to flood the streets with more gun violence and chaos.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:42 AM
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21. If they are the tool of the oppressive elite,
Why are you arguing for disarmament in the face, of an oppressive elite?? Are you one of the elites???

As for a place with widespread gun ownership, having low crime, LOL that is easy, Switzerland.

Not to mention, many states in the US, with much less gun control, have tremendously less violent crime, than high gun control areas.
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 01:09 AM
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22. switzerland is a disciplined country
Edited on Sun May-31-09 01:17 AM by szatmar666
Guns did not solve crime in Switzerland. That's a crimeless country for centuries for cultural reasons that makes it very different from today's USA.

they are a society of militiamen in the traditions of the founders in the US. The ammo used in their army issued weapons is in sealed boxes that they only break under penalty of law. After 30 they are not required to serve in the militia and they can keep their weapon AFTER it's defanged into a semi-automatic.

I have no problem with gun ownership if the 2nd amendment is respected. That means if you are a militia man who's reason to use a gun is to defend the country because those are mostly well trained behaved responsible individuals. That's the case in Switzerland. In the US however you have a professional mercenary army with people who go to fight as a profession. Civilians however who never served couldn't possibly defend anything with a weapon because they are not schooled in tactics and it's more dangerous to have a rookie act on instinct in the middle of a crisis than have everybody unarmed except the criminals. It's easier for the cops too.

Besides, there is a culture of irresponsible and violent behavior among both x military and people who never served in the US. A lot of people are psychologically unstable to carry a weapon. Overall I would say it's a very bad idea to allow americans to own weapons. Stats show they are not mature enough to handle that responsibility. Switzerland is the exception not the rule. Americans are not swiss.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:03 AM
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23. The irony
The irony is that as you lament the prison overpopulation of the US, and advocate banning guns, and lament police brutality. So we ban guns, then what? What about the people who refuse to turn their guns in? Would you have the police kick down their doors to confiscate their guns? Would you then send them to jail?
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:52 AM
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24. you would be suprised
what happens in free countries to people who refuse to follow the law ;)
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:25 AM
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25. Are you advocating police brutality to those that don't??
I have a feeling that your have no idea what your talking about..

Your all over the map.
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