James Carville: "I Think Glenn Beck Is Nuts, And A Blatant Hypocrit"

[Turborama]

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After Sen. Lindsey Graham says Glenn Beck "doesn't represent the Republican party" and "not the poliical analysis I buy into," CNN's James Carville lays into the Fox News host:

"I think he's nuts... Just out and out nuts. And I also think that he's a blatant hypocrite. Here's somebody that sits on his show and weeping about how much he loves America... and then, he's absolutely giddy when his country doesn't get the Olympics."

"He wouldn't know the difference between a football bat and a hockey court," Carville adds.

This vid has been up for 5 mins and the BecKKK drones are already swarming all over it and hiding anti-BecKKK comments as spam.

[thunder rising]

1. Carville is wrong. A person cannot be nuts and a hypocrite at the same time

pick one or the other James.

[RBInMaine]

14. BS ! Of course you can be a nutty hypocrite, and let me add ASSHOLE, all at once. And Beck is it.

[Harold1931]

44. James Carville

Don't think James Carville can be considered an expert on
calling someone a nut. Well actually maybe he does since it
takes one to call someone else one.

[VPStoltz]

51. Go back to Uranus please.

[ScottLand]

2. I agree with him.

I think you can be both. The only way we could say Beck is not nuts if we believe he's not really serious about the BS he puts out.

[bjobotts]

55. Never buy this "Books on top seller lists" crap as they are bought in bulk to drive them up lists

[bjobotts]

56. then later "given" away as gifts or promoations for some conservative enterprise

[bjobotts]

57. Beck is clinically insane and is the great "Divider" preying off people's anger an need to blame

[bjobotts]

58. He gets $18 mil/yr to get attention.He incites violence and promotes divisiveness.

[bjobotts]

59. 70,000 tea baggers show up and you lose sight of the 10s of mil. in opposition to them

[bjobotts]

60. Yet Beck likes to make you thnk it's a majority of Americans. Pure propaganda.

[bjobotts]

61. A-holes connect so if you like and support Beck you're an asshole

[GivePeaceAchance]

3. The Olympics bid is nothing, it was just their turn. Folks should be proud Obama tried with chances

against him after the ill will GW* left behind. There is renewed faith in America with President Obama but most likely hard to forget nightmares of the last 8 years and previous admin. It's has no effect on how the future will turn out, it's most the work progressives and liberals do now to get back on top. The right wing noise machine will do what they will do as long as we do what we need to do we'll be OK in the end.

[BREMPRO]

53. the right wing would have said if Obama didn't go that it was his fault Chicago lost the bid

and that he doesn't support America etc.... It's a no win game with the noise machine.

[Lerkfish]

4. well, it takes one to know one.

that's my snark for the day.

[bjobotts]

62. It also takes one who's changed from being one to know one.

[newmac]

5. The right never speaks out against Mr Beck means they support him

Im interested in what beck has to say on other subjects he knows nothing about; like Relativity; Endodontics, Brain surgery; and String Theory

[GMA]

16. Nope...all kinds of conservatives dislike Beck,

or are afraid of him, or think he's crazy, and say so openly.

[Turborama]

23. Name some.

[GMA]

25. You want names? Really?

Would that somehow help you? These are personal friends and family members. But I'm betting you're talking about some on the national stage. And, in my short sojourn on this site so far, I think you might be looking for evidence of trolling. Well, here goes. I'm not fond of Hannity, though he is very earnest. He seems to stay as far as he can from Beck. There seems to be an out-and-out feud between Mark Levin and Glenn Beck, and it does seem personal. I suspect that if Republican congressmen were interviewed, many would disavow Beck (or, for that matter, Levin, Limbaugh et al).

On the other side, though he sounds reasonable and kind, generally, I don't really trust Thom Hartmann, who always seems ready to pounce from the bushes. Still, I give him kudos for welcoming opposing viewpoints on his show. I liked Ed Schultz before he got his TV show--he reminds me some of my late father, who was a construction foreman and a union man all his life. But I don't trust anyone who rallies constantly for unions. I don't see them as any less corrupt anymore than other powerful lobbiests in Washington.

Bottom line? I just like people, and I like ideas. My experience here, so far, is that the cloak of anonymity is disquieting (though I understand why it's there). It makes free expression easier, but also makes attacks pretty rough. Don't know how often I'll be here, but it's been an interesting few days.

[TheEuclideanOne]

29. Yes, believe that he (and I) would like to hear the names of some public figures

You mentioned that folks may be afraid of them, so you must be referring to some public figures and not your next door neighbor.

[GMA]

34. I doubt there are any republican congressmen who

have openly stood on the side of Beck. Like most politicians, they stick their fingers in the wind, and, in this case, think he's viral, which he probably is.

[TheEuclideanOne]

52. Yes, I think that was the original point

Nobody speaks out against him, thereby supporting him and his message.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

6. The 5000 Year Leap

is the book that Glenn Beck has tied his idology to. There is a great article on Salon about the author and Glenn Beck's roots.

What has Beck been pushing on his legions? "Leap," first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. As such, it is an early entry in the ongoing attempt by the religious right to rewrite history. Fundamentalists want to define the United States as a Christian nation rather than a secular republic, and recast the Founding Fathers as devout Christians guided by the Bible rather than deists inspired by French and English philosophers. "Leap" argues that the U.S. Constitution is a godly document above all else, based on natural law, and owes more to the Old and New Testaments than to the secular and radical spirit of the Enlightenment. It lists 28 fundamental beliefs -- based on the sayings and writings of Moses, Jesus, Cicero, John Locke, Montesquieu and Adam Smith -- that Skousen says have resulted in more God-directed progress than was achieved in the previous 5,000 years of every other civilization combined. The book reads exactly like what it was until Glenn Beck dragged it out of Mormon obscurity: a textbook full of aggressively selective quotations intended for conservative religious schools like Utah's George Wythe University, where it has been part of the core freshman curriculum for decades (and where Beck spoke at this year's annual fundraiser).

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/index.html

[GMA]

12. Im no fan of Skousen...

but I am Mormon. Yes, it is possible to be a Mormon and a Democrat. My experience is that each end of the spectrum, secular on one end, and religious on the other, fight hard for perspectives that have evolved selectively on either side. Our founders, like all human beings, were deep and complex, and beyond cliches.

I am also a fan of Beck's, just as I am of Randi Rhodes.

[olegramps]

17. You are fan of Beck?

Then I can only surmise that you wish the worst for America just as Beck does. I think that you are in the wrong party or just a troll looking for attention.

[GMA]

19. Not trolling...not looking for attention...

looking for some way to get some honest conversation. Did you miss the part where I said I'm also a fan of Randi Rhodes?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

20. A fan of Beck's?

Do you ascribe to the belief that Obama is a racist and has a deep seeded hatred of white culture? Are you tired of the 9/11 families like he is? Do you think the Katrina victims are low lifes?

These are all things that Beck has said on the record. So you like that sort of thing eh?

[GMA]

21. Nope, don't agree...

with those things, but also don't agree with Randi's assertions that sex is a sport. I still think, however, that she's got a good heart, whether I agree with her or not.

[donquijoterocket]

33. that's the thing though

You say you believe Randi "has a good heart. I cannot say the same thing of glennda the beckerhead.I tend to believe that he might symbolize most of the things I think are wrong about this country right now.I find his sort of shallow superficial demagoguery a dangerous thing and have to wonder about the mental state and capacity of anyone who'd claim to be a fan.He is, however, a perfect fit for the sort of propaganda organization that fux noise is and for the sort of people who believe anything fux noise puts forth.Acquaintance of mine uses the word ignoranus to signify those who are simultaneously profoundly and proudly ignorant, and an asshole. I think the word defines and describes glennda the beckerhead to a T,

[GMA]

36. You have to spend serious time on both sides

to get the whole picture. It takes patience and commitment.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

38. Spending time on the side

of the willfully ignorant and hateful doesn't show commitment it shows idiocy.

[GMA]

40. Now, silly,

that's exactly what the other side says about you! I (almost!) never call anyone an idiot. It's an easy way to dismiss what might be an interesting point of view without having to think.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

41. "The other side says about you"???

I wouldn't call being tired of the victims of 9/11 complaining and calling the victims of Katrina low life "an interesting point of view". Are you sure you are in the right place?

[GMA]

42. It seems not.

But thanks for the point of view. That pretty much shuts down any conversation, though.

[Turborama]

22. If you are a "fan of Beck's".

Why?

And, whatever your answer, how on earth you can call yourself a Democrat at the same time as admitting that you're a fan of Beck is ridiculous. Maybe some Mormons can be Democrats but there's no way in hell that a Beck fan can be a Democrat, unless you've been living under a rock & don't know what Beck has been up to over the past year and need some re-education from the disinformation.

[GMA]

24. Because, like Randi,

I think he has a good heart. I've gotten plenty of grief for liking Randi, as well. I don't think I'm a good fit for democraticunderground. I've been looking for a place to really discuss the ideas, not just bash the voices of those ideas.

[GMA]

46. You're right. It's just as ridiculous

as a Republican being a fan of Randi Rhodes. I think that was my mistake for misusing the word "fan". As I've said before, I think Randi (and most democrats, talk-show hosts or not) are good people, as are most conservatives. I live with, work with, interact with, and--yeah--really love lots of people on both sides of the political spectrum. I really don't live under a rock! I DO bounce back and forth between Beck and Matthews, O'Reilly and Olbermann daily. I want to know what everybody's saying. But, as I've said in about six different posts here today, I don't think du a good fit for me.

[davidhilton]

27. r u serious?

[kenfrequed]

30. A fan of Glen Beck?

How the hell can anyone with a rational mind be a fan of Gleb Beck?


He blurts out every right wing talking point that is out there and just exists to amplify the rage and feedback effect of a wild militant right wing bunch of nutballs.

Why don't we look at what Matalin had to say:

He exposed Acorn- Acorn is guilty of turning in it's own employees when they broke the law. Criminally that is about it. There was no mass Acorn scandal to speak of. Doesn't exist, didn't happen, and there is not one shred of evidence that anyone falsely registered to vote and then voted. So if Glen Beck attacked acorn he lied. Like so many right wingers have lied.

Czars- Really...he exposed the Czars? Who started the Czars? Reagan. How many did Bush the first have, how many did Bush the second have. The only thing these people (including Beck) ever exposed was a word that the executive branch uses for its special advisors. Absolutely Ludicrous.

The tea part- That day and a half long two minute hate? With its ranting and posters and wildly implausible conspiracy theories that actuall succeed in making UFO nuts look like legitimate scientists by comparison. That ridiculous Fox generated event that had Healthcare companies pay for and bus in people in droves. An event that recieved 20 times the coverage at least as the Antiwar rallies that occurred prior to the Iraq war with about 1/40 the participation?

I would ask you to explain yourself sir.

[GMA]

32. Wow! Either I've been spending...

too too much time actually talking to people who live and believe differently from me, or you guys on du don't get out enough! Okay, so let's agree that Beck isn't a good example! His delivery certainly is the stuff of "Network".

That said, it seems to me that there are plenty of "talking points" thrown around on both sides, and not much listening. Just posted on another thread that I don't think du is a good fit for me. This isn't a very happy place, and I see lots of sarcasm but very little humor. I don't think I can take it--too many people throwing insults, and not enough discussion and support. Sorry, but I'm out of here, at least for the time being.

[kenfrequed]

37. Well..

We do expect a certain amoutn of logic to be used in argumentation. Unlike certain other message boards you may linger at (or for all I know post full time at) we do try to get to the facts and try to point out the problems of what so many of the pundit class mutters, weeps, babbles, or bellows.


For instance:

You just used an unjustified false equivalency in suggestiong that "talking poitns" are being thrown around on both sides. Please explain this. Surely there must be an equivalent to the Reupblicans statements about how all Democrats wanted death panels and executions for the elderly and a government socialized takeover and whatever else they tend to toss.

Also, you failed to address any one of my points about Glenn Beck. You just sort of dodged it completely and even implied that since I found a laundry list of Beck's absurd statements that one of us must not live in the real world. (I know where I'm putting my money)

I would suppose to close by posing a question about what you consider reasoned discourse. I challenged yoru points and you pleaded some kind of injury as though someone had beat you up and stolen yoru lunch money. The fact that someone would come here and say that they like Glenn Beck and that a lot of us on the left express shock, dismay, confusion, or (gasp) actual questions or challenges should not really be cause for alarm, shock, fright, or declarations of shock or insult on your part.

Were you honest, you might actually consider answering a few questions or replying in some rational way Why you think he makes sense. What does he say that appeals to you? Does it make sense? Why might someone find his routine to be utterly wrong?

To be honest I don't really expect you to reply.

[GMA]

39. Thanks for the analysis, and I'll

see if I can address the false equivalency and be direct about Beck.

Ok, how about the talking point that the debate on Global Climate Change is settled, and anyone who disagrees is a stupid flat-earther. Doesn't leave much room for accepting that we all love this earth and want to take good care of it, but we may disagree deeply on the cause and effect of many things.

Another particularly frustrating talking point is that if one does not agree with a public option--never mind going so far as a single-payer system--he/she is, therefore, for the status quo and wants 45,000 people a year to just die and do it quickly. Whoa. Harsh. There are a lot of options between those poles.

As for Glenn Beck, I believe he loves his country as much as Randi loves hers--and it's the same country. Rhodes is driven crazy by the corruption she sees. So is Beck. There's plenty of corruption to go around without protecting one point of view or the other.

Being Mormon--one connection to Beck, I'm pretty used to having Christian Fundamentalists say that I'm not Christian because I don't believe in the "same" Jesus Christ as they do. I love my faith as much as any, say, Southern Baptist, but because it's not expressed the same way, it's not legitimate. I'd love to see that kind of rationale stop on both sides. I think it can be done positively. That doesn't mean passion or anger about world views and approaches to problem-solving shouldn't be a part of the discussion, but it's all become so defensive and personal.

I believe that there's more that binds us than divides us.

And, as I asked before, where is the FUN and HUMOR? Jeez, this place feels deadly.

[kenfrequed]

66. sigh

Global warming or climate change- In the scientific community the theories have been around since the 70's. No one doubts the existance of greenhouse gasses and compounds. No one doubts that we are pumping them into the air. The only controversy has been how much we could be effecting the climate and scientifically the verdict has been in for a decade with only a few exceptions.

The reasonable exceptions were dropped when it was discovered that one of the labs was making lots of easily identifiable math errors. Otherwise we are now as certain as it is scientifically possible which really ought to be enough. There have been no reputable scientific studies that point to another source for global warming that have gone through the scrutiny of peer review.


Healthcare-Actually that 'talking point' was rather isolated and sadly enough there have not been enough democrats that have been battling republicans on this issue. We have had to fight agasint the Democrats in our own party that have been taking tons of money (bribes) from the Health insurance industry. To call the public option a talking point is absurd.

The fire to get Single Payer Universal on the table is a real-life gress roots movement. The Public option is the lowest most of us crazy working class liberals are willing to settle for. It is a policy, not a talking point.

As to the 45,000 people a year that die without helath insurance, the difference between that and Sarah Palin and Glenn Becks 'Death Panels' is that the Death Panels do not exist and are nowhere in any legislation. The 45,000 people that died really did die because of lack of health care.



Corruption-- is it possible that you could maybe be a little mroe specific here? I would like to know what 'corruption' Glenn Beck is helping you find. I have tuned to his show and most of it seems to be rants about who is a socialist and how everyone in the Obama administration is connected to a socialist. We on the left have a more reality based view as to some of the flaws of the Obama administration involving some of the people he has working for it who are in the Banking industry. READ: Diametrically opposite of socialism.

The problem is that the republicans (and Beck really is one) cannot accuse Obama of his coziness with banks without looking like flaming hypocrits since they have been far, far tighter with the banks. The evidence for this is that they called giving money to humongous rich banks socialism, and then stopped mentioning the banks at all and moved on to attacking other socialist policies. (Well the real evidence is in the deregulation legislation backed almost universally by republicans and by a few corporate Democrats)

Beck rants and raves and draws random lines on the chalkboard decrying some communist fascist liberal immoral godless conspiracy with little concern as to fact or research. Connections are made just because people seem to have been in the same building. Legislation is never cited. Executive orders are never cited. Cases of overreach are only made in the vaugest sense and the 10th amendment to the Bill of right is tossed around wildly without research as to tis historical applications.



Mormonism- Not something I concern myself with inasmuch that it doesn't interefere with reasoned discussion outside the province of religion. If someone keeps throwing it out as an argument that is when I start pointing out any contradictions or problems. For some reason I find few modern brands of Christianity concerning themselves with the Sermon on the mound or the number of times spoke out against wealth or greed. Oddly enough he had almost nothing to say about abortion, homosexuals, or the evils of single mothers.

[MajorChode]

48. You want support for claiming to be a BecKKK fan?

Good luck with that. I think there's another political site that might offer considerable sympathy for those beliefs. The name escapes me, but I think it's Free something or other. Perhaps you've heard of it.

Cheers!

[GMA]

49. I'm finding that out, but thanks

for the warning. Free--what? Whatever it is, I don't know it, at least from that reference. But then, I'm a dork.

Cheers back.

[Quantess]

67. It's called "Free Republic".

But, honestly, you may not be a good fit there either, since, you sound like an overall reasonable, civil, and polite person.

Glenn Beck, seriously? I shake my head sadly in disbelief. Not to mention you are a global warming denier. Those two aspects about you guarantee you a short lifespan on DU. It's a shame because you seem sincere, and you badly need to repair the disinformation you have absorbed from FOX. Welcome to DU.

[Angry Dragon]

45. A Fan of Beck's??

How can you be a fan of Beck's when he allows no one to
challenge any of his "facts"??  He and his other
cronies on Fox never have any discussions with anyone except
others from the right.  When his facts get challenged and
found lacking he never admits to making a mistake.  He and the
others are only interested in furthering their ideals.  They
are only interested in making a buck off of the people that
follow them.  He feeds off of peoples fears and gives then
someone to blame their problems on instead of really working
on the problems.

[GMA]

47. Okay--one more post about Beck and I'm done!

The same things you're saying about Beck are said about Olbermann. And Maddow. And Matthews. Ad nauseam. It's just sad.

[sheldon]

7. The look on the woman's face

When Carville started up about beck was classic. She looked like he just punched her in the gut.

[Jack Rabbit]

10. That's was Mrs. Carville

It's a post-partisan mixed marriage.

[ginnyinWI]

11. speaking of Mary Matalin's face...

how much botox does it take to make it so that you can hardly even open your lips? The horror of it--it looks grotesque.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

26. I'm thinkin'

she's got lockjaw, but she's been like that forever. Doesn't a tetanus shot clear that up?

[targetpractice]

50. No wonder... Mary Matalin is Glenn Beck's publisher...

It was a stupid question to ask of her... Threshold Editions is Mary Matalin's imprint at Simon & Schuster AND the publisher of Glenn Beck's books... Her reply (as expected) is an endorsement and advertisement for her top selling author.

I love James Carville's sound bites, but his marriage to Matalin irritates me to no end... They work more than anyone to foment the conservative/liberal conflict for their personal financial gain.

[1776Forever]

8. What? Tell us what you really think about Beck Carville! Way to go! More straight talk!

I cannot hear enough of it! Tell it like it is!

Go Carville!

:woohoo: :yourock: :woohoo:

[Gman2]

9. I disagree, he is a dumbass, but you can't be evil and nuts.

Beck is evil. He knows full well what he is doing. And when the guns start blazing, he will cower in his spiderhole.

[RBInMaine]

13. Good for you James ! Now THERE'S a Democrat ! Slam these nutjob scumballs !

[kenfrequed]

31. Are you kidding me???

He barely bothered to refute the absolute malarky his wife was spewing and instead gave a nice insider track attack on Beck that would only make sense to people that bothered to read books written by lunatics for fun.

Oh and calling Glenn Beck Crazy is an entirely inadequate critique. Obviously he's crazy.

[Uncle Joe]

15. I disagree with Graham, anytime a prostituted, propaganda, pundit, puppet pisses on the people

that's not a "good job" that's a betrayal against democracy.

But the real people that damaged Acorn was a Congress willing to Unconstitutionally act as judge and jury and single out an organization committed to strengthening our democracy, an organization that has never been indicted except in the court of public opinion led in large part by hate mongering, racists such as Beck.

The same Congress; that's given free passes to war profiteering corporations having actually been convicted of far worse transgressions against the nation and the people than the pin prick offenses of what Acorn had been entrapped to.

Beck didn't do a "good job" against Acorn, he led a witch hunt, smear job, but the most shameful part was the Congress meekly following a hypocritical, megalomaniac's lead in tearing down a good organization.; committed to actually empowering the American People.

[tooeyeten]

18. the only thing Beck tapped into is

racism.

[bjobotts]

63. All kinds of things to discriminate against. Handicapped, women, liberals etc.

[bjobotts]

64. Poor people...Beck hates them.Blames the victim always..Pretends to be one of them and understands.

[stlsaxman]

28. "Beck wouldn't know the difference between a football bat and a hockey court!"

:rofl:

[NewJeffCT]

35. Apparently, Carville wouldn't either

since hockey is played on a rink and there is no bat in football?

[stlsaxman]

43. Wow...

humor much? the point of his joke being Beck might just say "Yes i do!" He's JUST that stoopid...

[ooglymoogly]

54. Wow! How in the heck does Carville, who lives, at least in some

modicum of reality, stand this delusional half wit, his WIFE. Can you just imagine....geeeese! Must be like having sex with a bear trap. My condolences to Carville.

[Turborama]

65. !

"Must be like having sex with a bear trap."

I laughed out loud at that! :rofl:

[lumpy]

68. I wish I could tell Craville that his wife is a self serving

hypocrite and he must be nuts to put up with her.