Ed Schultz to Obama: "Your base thinks you're nothing but a sellout."

[benny05]

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Right on, Ed! We want to be listened to!

[rwheeler31]

1. What Ed is doing is so wrong, Perhaps Comcast won't keep

him unless he goes right.

[benny05]

3. is that a snark?

n/t

[Captain_Blue]

27. I totally Agree

Ed is right. Nothing left for us.

[donheld]

51. Ed is correct, Comcast be damned!

[Enthusiast]

98. The position he is taking is left,

not right. It is President Obama that has moved to the right. We are exactly where we started at.

[Myrina]

118. that's exactly what rwheeler meant

D'oh!?

What Ed's doing is 'wrong' in terms of conventional corporate wisdom because it's populist. So unless he turns 'right' (meaning, becomes more conservative), he's probably going to be in the shitter.

[freddie mertz]

110. Ed is speaking from the liberal progressive left.

I guess you can't tell the difference.

[AllyCat]

129. Huh? saying this is a bag of crap is "going to the right" and "wrong"?

I'm confused. He definitely called this the POS that it is.

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[Diane R]

179. Not voting 'Democrat'? You gave yourself away, Freeper.

[dotymed]

143. Ed is right on target.

Everyone I know, that helped (worked) to put Obama in office is thoroughly disgusted with his decisions. None of us will lift a finger to help him get re-elected. We need a third party. (really we have a single party now) Obama has become a sellout just like Lieberman. We need to form a party that includes people like Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, etc... real progressives, who want to help Americans. I have lost all respect for Obama and the "change" he represented. Bush lite...no wonder these crooks refused to prosecute and took ALL progressive measures "off the table."

[azmesa207]

155. Obama is a sellout

all the Hillary supporters that were demonetized on this web sight for sticking with her and trying to tell you what was going happen if Obama was elected .
I hope you all are happy .

[Old Time Pagan]

156. Hillary was already bought and paid for

At least Obama was a crap shoot. Looks like we're rolling snake eyes with him but at least there was a chance.

Hillary, not at all. Totally owned corporate asset.

[placton]

162. Hillary at least has a spine - but

Huffington, Kos, and most DUers shouted us down

[Old Time Pagan]

171. There's a difference between having a spine and being

"prickly."

Hillary would have sold us out with the best of them. She and big Bill are both firmly and totally owned by our corporate overlords.

With the exception of a few brave souls in both the house and the senate those who have been entrusted with caring for the public interest have become lackeys of the rich and powerful.

Deal with that reality and get over the idea that Clinton being elected would have made even the smallest difference in what's going on right now.

[Ken Burch]

176. HRC would be to Obama's RIGHT

You can't run as the conservative candidate in the primaries and then be more progressive after you've won.

[Ken Burch]

175. HRC would be even further to the right

You can't do anything progressive after you've vaporized Iran.

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[FiveGoodMen]

8. Well done.

[whathehell]

4. Ed is right..and I wrote a letter to Obama today telling him that..for what it's worth

:shrug:

It's sad..He's really looking bad. Were Dean or someone like him to run against him in '12, I'd vote for him/her in a heartbeat.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

20. Time to draft someone to run against Obama in the Dem primary for 2012?

I'm tired of pro-business Republicans in the White House ... been that way since 1980.

[whathehell]

89. At this point I'd like to see someone ready to run..

[Peggy Day]

125. I hate to say this, but.....

I'm trying to find another party or just give up. I am so disgusted with the Democrats. I definitely hate the Republicans, but I don't know what other party is similar to my beliefs. It doesn't seem to be the Democrats in power.

Howard Dean has it right. Like he did when he first came on the political scene-but like Kucinich if he shows any backbone, they make them look like an idiot.

I've called my senators and told them to kill this bill-it is a giveaway to corporate powers-we are screwed again. I believe Rahm Emanuel is whispering in our president's ear-and it's not good.

[defendandprotect]

128. We have to understand that what we're fighting is corporatism/fascism . .. won't be easy . . .

We've known for 40 years that corporations/elties were buying government and our agencies --

Certainly the vote has been made a farce, but not voting has never helped anyone . . .

neither African-Americans nor Women, nor anyone else deprived of it.

I'd highly recommend the Jane Hamsher article to you -- two versions are posted at DU currently.


The other part of this that Americans have to begin to awaken to and take and shake is this

right wing creation of our reality --

Hitler was created by corporates -- wealthy Repugs here -- Prescott Bush and other wealthy

elites financed him with right wing/elite money from all over the world.

Corporations overrode agreements against Germany rearming. The war machine is another

profit center for corporate/elites which they're quite fond of -- and a major disruption for

nations and their people. Not to mention the bankrutping of our own Treasury by these two

wars!


Here in America we're been trying to cope and reason with an insane right wing religious

movement which was CREATED by the right wing. GOP gave start up funding to the Christian

Coalition -- Scaife provided financing for Dobson's organization -- and other wealthy right

wing Repugs financed Bauer's organization. Religion is a major tool of elites used to

undermine nations and their people. And, it's a continuing landmine left behind in nations!


US/CIA also created the Taliban/Al Qaeda and used it to brait the Russians into Afghanistan

... in hopes of giving them a Vietnam type experience. Further, US/CIA created the VIOLEN

Islamic movement and worked to spread it into the Middle East. See notes from my Journal below.


We have pre-owned and pre-bribed Demcoratic candidates and elected representatives who are

paid to work not for the people, but for the elites.


Doing what we have been doing for the last 40 years isn't working!!

We need a new plan --

And, if liberals/progressives want change we are going to have to bring it about by acting as

a voting bloc . . . not by wnadering off alone.

IMO . . .



:)



EDITED TO ADD THE NOTES ...

FIRST PART OF THIS DEALS WITH HOW US/CIA CREATED TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA . . .
TO BAIT RUSSIANS INTO AFGHANISTAN . . .!!!


SECOND PART DEALS WITH THE TEXTBOOKS --



The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_i... ...


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SECOND PART --


The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.h...


We went into Afghanistan six months BEFORE the Russians came in, in order to BAIT them in!!

Brzezinski has spoken about this openly over the past three years or so -- it was in his book.

However, I've never heard Carter's comments on this -- and remember that he took the US out

of the Olympics over our alleged "shock" at Russian invading Afghanistan!!!!

As the United Nations repeatedly points out -- "US is a terrorist nationn" --

[BlancheSplanchnik]

144. This should be a Thread unto itself.

Important explanations here. Thanks.

[defendandprotect]

188. Be sure to read the Jane Hampsher article . . .

[whathehell]

166. I know how you feel, but don't give up yet....This bill has NOT gone to "conference" with the House

yet, and according to a reporter from The Nation, last name Nichols, the "White House is in a panice"...Which sounds like they just might be ready to "deal".

[defendandprotect]

127. Grayson, Howard Dean ....Bernie Sanders . . . Names????

[whathehell]

164. I'd like to see Dean, myself.

[defendandprotect]

189. I have no problem with Dean, but what would help if more people put their TVs

into the closet!!

TV is a prime tool for manipulating the public --

[whathehell]

167. If he doesn't get his act in gear FAST, yes.

[laughingliberal]

35. I can't write, yet. I have, even at my angriest maintained a respectful tone and pleaded my case

with facts and numbers and logic as to why this was not going to fly without a strong public option. Right now, I would break down into a profanity slinging tirade. I won't lower myself. They know how we feel. They don't care. They have those lovely campaign contributions to look forward to. Huh, would be funny if the insurance cartels pull a recission on them. They'd still like a few things the American people get out of this stripped. Perhaps they'll give the money to Republicans to repeal those things in 2010 and 2012. Wonder if they would then understand what serving us up to the double crossing sociopathic industry feels like?

[whathehell]

92. Yes, I felt bad even telling him he looked like a sellout...I wasn't profane

or anthying that bad, but I felt sad, nonetheless...I had liked him so much.:-(

[Enthusiast]

100. For a long while now I have

felt it was a waste of time to write Obama. I gave it up.

[HughMoran]

5. Ed definitely reads liberal blogs

I think he reads DU to judge the mood of the "base"

[benny05]

7. Ed also reads Kos and FDL

FDL put this video up.

[Enthusiast]

101. He only needs to look at the polls.

President Obama has lost the support of his core supporters, those moderate to liberal supporters that sent him money and campaigned for him. Like me.

[flyarm]

6. they think that because he is!..He cut the deals..now congress must protect his deals!

all done in secret so you have no fucking idea what his deals were!

Seems to me anyone who wanted to know this info ... ( Big Ed) ...could have , i sure as hell knew we were sold out..when Obama did secret deals with the big boys of the medical corporations..the info was exposed that these secret deals were made..just too many kept believing in fairy tales about Obama, and some fucking great chess game..that never existed!

[tomm2thumbs]

10. if another party were making these deals with corporatists, we'd be furious

This is just bad policy dressed up as change - but in the long run, this is corporate wealthfare sponsored by your friendly neighborhood lobbyists.

[flyarm]

33. absolutely!!! eom

[tazkcmo]

9. yup n/t

[slay]

11. He is a sellout

He's sold us out on war, DADT, health care, by bailing out the banks, etc. I'm pissed. :mad:

[debbierlus]

18. I called the White House Comment Line and told them they are losing their base

I stated that I know my phone call probably counts for little to nothing. But, I told them that even if I don't matter, I am a member of a group of people who do matter. Their base. I told them to tell the White House to read the blogosphere that the President utilized so well during the campaign is uniting against him and the democrats.

I told them that this will not be forgotten in a week, a month, a year. It will define them.

I doubt they will listen, but I called them.

[Jefferson23]

23. Yep, me too. Called and e-mailed, I feel that we must say the words.

[slay]

25. Is a good idea

I think this speech by Keith tonight as well as the statements by Howard Dean are hopefully a slap in the face - maybe even a wake-up call. We can hope so at least. I think I'll call and emphasize those things - as well as a few other choice things I've got to say to these people. Hell I worked my ass off to help get him in office. Ugh.

[MissDeeds]

36. Excellent talking points

I'm going to do the same - and encourage everyone I know to call, write, and email. If Obama doesn't listen, he needs to get out of the way. We're mad as hell and aren't going to go away quietly.

[pundaint]

63. wow, the whitehouse phone went unanswered for 15 minutes when I

called yesterday afternoon. Lieberman's and Kerry's phones also were not answered yesterday.

[Goldstein1984]

78. And me. I also doubt it makes a difference because

I didn't include a pledge to pay them more than the insurance companies are paying them.

He didn't have to be a one-term president.

Nothing is going to change until we take government back.

[onpatrol98]

131. Sellout

He may still do DADT.

[ultraist]

12. K&R

:kick:

[dana_b]

13. He said the same thing on his radio show today

and he's right.

[NJmaverick]

14. I think believe would have been the appropriate word

as those that think don't believe he is a sell out

[benny05]

15. Ed's point is well taken

and I agree, some do not believe he is a sell out. But I would argue MOST perceive he is.

Throwing Dean under the bus today was unforgivable.

[NJmaverick]

16. People tend to get emotional and over react, it's the nature of things

in time the lives this bill saves will make people forget about the disappointment of a victory snatched away at the last minute.

[benny05]

21. That is not the case

It's called impatience and Ed is suggesting that Obama lead.

[flyarm]

37. oh pleaseeeeeee spare us the bullshit..no one is buying that crap anymore! eom

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[Lorien]

72. Sorry NJmaverick, there's no way for you to polish this turd. nt

[pundaint]

65. I think observe would be a better word

because those who are observing would see that Obama is a sell-out/

[freddie mertz]

111. If he is not a sell-out, what is your explanation for his lurch to the right?

On HCR in particular, he seems to have bent over backwards to toss concessions before the Pubs and the DINOs, only to see them up the ante.

He lost the game of chess.

He gave away all of his cards.

And that seems to be the more GENEROUS interpretation.

The alternative is that he planned or was ready to endorse a bad bill like this all along.

[Cha]

17. Cha to Ed Schultz

Not all his base..just those who WATFOT.

[Greyhound]

94. Not even Google knows what you said. n/t

[StreetKnowledge]

19. Ed nailed it.

I think its high time we started agitating for a 2012 run by Dr. Dean. Somebody has to primary Obama before him and his moron minions in the White House will get the message.

[rollingrock]

22. Brilliant speech

putting the president's feet to the fire.

[abq e streeter]

24. Not pleasant to have to agree with Ed here, but he's absolutely right

[geckosfeet]

26. Truer words I have not heard today. I love Obama - but I hate what he is doing.

Honest Eddie.

[MonteLukast]

28. Please, Obama, LISTEN to this man.

You're a good listener. Please prove it.

[democracy1st]

29. K & R

[pjt7]

30. Ed's playing it straight

Got to admire that.

Who does Obama work for/care about? It ain't me & you.

[toadzilla]

31. he is a sellout, and its going to cost us the dem majority in the midterms.

not that they haven't all played a part in that fate, but if they had a real leader, maybe things could be going differently.

[mrs_p]

120. i think the reps and senators are as much to blame

if we lose the majority.

[drdtroit]

146. WTF good is a democratic majority in a one party corporate system? n/t

[rtassi]

173. BINGO! n/t

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[rateyes]

34. Preach it, Ed. Keep saying it. Say it every day.

You are speaking for me.

[felinetta]

38. It won't be popular, I used to like Ed a lot, but I'm tired of his emotional

outbursts.  I'm  a progressive, but I don't want to be a whiny
progressive.  We have a lot of work to do and if we give up,
it will be our own fault.  I want this health care bill to
pass with all its faults.

[chimpymustgo]

39. Wish Obama would show a fraction of the actual CARING for Americans that Ed Shultz does.

[bertman]

58. Apparently you have not seen much of Ed. This does not even come close to qualifying as

an "emotional outburst" from Ed. It is a well thought-out, straightforward, honest, plea to the President.

I don't care for Ed when he engages in a real emotional outburst, but this was a perfect way to approach the problem.

[bobbolink]

60. Yeah, yeah, yeah....righteous anger is "whining"

Just like the RW has been telling us for years.

[pokercat999]

95. Work for the insurance industry do you? Please explain

why "with all it's faults" we should support this bill? Seriously what is good and useful about it?

[Enthusiast]

102. Most of us don't believe

in giving another windfall to abusive corporations. Instead corporate power should be reined in.

The health care bill is bad and most of us agree with that.

[Le Taz Hot]

104. Then you're misidentifying yourself.

You're part of the Party Faithful, you're NOT, by ANY stretch of the imagination, a liberal.

[drdtroit]

147. Thank you for wanting to force me to buy insurance I can't afford. n/t

[humbled_opinion]

40. Ed is Real

That is why I like listening to him. He tells it like it is. In fact this may be exactly what Obama needs a little kick from his Base. I think the absolute wrong thing to do would be to go quietly along with this B.S. Healthcrap bill they are debating in the Senate.

Kill the Bill. Start fresh, Ed should ask Obama...

Mr. President,

What is more important to you, getting legislation passed, or getting the right kind of Legislation passed?

Single Payer, medicare for all you can even deduct more in medicare tax from my paycheck heck double it if thats what it takes but get it done right so Every American is covered, no one left behind, no one needlessly dying.

[bobbolink]

61. I think there is a Kill The Billl movement building, but will it come together in time?

[cascadiance]

74. Yup, Obama needs to have the bill killed, THEN kill the fillibuster rule, and then start over...

... and get it done RIGHT without corporate interference!

And then to close the door on these damn fascists, once a decent health care bill is passed, then pass some meaningful campaign finance reform. That will get back his base again and maybe more if we can start seeing the path way to a government that listens to people instead of corporate America.

He might have to fire some people like Rahm Emmanuel and Larry Summers in the process, but that would be a good thing in the long run.

[Norrin Radd]

107. I concur.

[KoKo]

42. That's quite a rant. I hope Obama's people hear it. n/t

[Dinger]

43. K & R For Big Ed

:patriot:

[howmad1]

55. Like the picture of Teddy Kennedy.

He's probably looking down from heaven and thinking "Hmmmm, this is the schmuck I supported?"

[tomm2thumbs]

44. spoken like a true patriot, holding our govt's feet to the fire of honesty

you don't just pass a bill because you want to pass it. The Democrats will officially 'own' it and when people start getting mandated into expensive insurance industry plans, or services don't function as promised, and taxes start going up on folks, and paperwork with exclusions and limitations starts circulating, this will all be pointing right square back at the Democrats. 100% ownership. Dr. Phil says you name it, you claim it.

So claiming this heap of garbage sprinkled with sugar doesn't make it any less a heap o garbage. With no public system/plan to lower costs, then a mandate is not only reprehensible - it is corporate monopolism. Mob 'protection money' someone said this evening - and it reeks of a racket. (holding baseball bat... 'We are going to make you an offer you can't refuse.')

[Better Believe It]

45. Who were the 30 Democrats who voted with Republicans against importing drugs from Canada?

I hope someone can find that information and post it.

Ed said that John Kerry was one of those who opposed drug importation!

[Sunnyshine]

46. Found a list:

Democrats who voted against Drug Re-Importation were:

akaka, baucus, burris, bayh, cantwell, carper, carden, casey, durbin, gillibrand, hagan, inouye, kauffman, kerry, kirk, landrieu, lautenberg, levin, lieberman, menendez, mikulski, murray, reed, reid, rockefeller, schumer, udall CO,tester, warner & whitehouse

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/15/814793/-DEMS-Kill-Drug-Re-Importation-!!

[Mnpaul]

48. Ed did a good job of grilling Harkin over this

Why did Kerry vote for this bill??? Why? Harkin finally had to admit it was probably to protect the big pharma deal. Losing the big pharma deal would kill the bill. I guess big pharma controls all the votes.

[Sunnyshine]

81. He sure did. I don't get the Kerry vote either, other than being from MA. Big Pharma $ shifts

More on that here:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latest-news/big-pharma-opens-wallet-to-dems2

Obama, on his campaign Web site, has vowed to repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, estimating it could result in savings of up to $30 billion for patients.

[Enthusiast]

103. Why did Kerry? Why did Durbin?

They must have gone along with President Obama on his deal with Pharma. Well fuck that.

[pundaint]

122. I have been calling Kerry's office for months. They are the most arrogant

and non-responsive jerks I have encountered in calls to more than 30 congressional offices. This kind of attitude always flows from the top.

[ChiciB1]

52. That List Is Very Revealing! I Can't Believe Some Of The Names On It!

These are people who voted AGAINST us having cheaper drugs?? Am I correct?

If so, it's a jaw dropper to me!!

[Sunnyshine]

82. yes. hard to accept this one on top of everything else. I'm calling some of em' tomorrow to ask why

they opposed it. It better be a fantastic reason like- OH! Yes! Us Dems are working hard to repeal that Bush ban! Might get lucky.

[pundaint]

123. It just shows how deep the cuts must go

When our guys stop working for us we need new guys.

[bobbolink]

62. The usual suspects. Thanks... UDALL will hear an earful from me!

I wish we had his brother instead! Or, his father!

[Sunnyshine]

84. Good. Thanks for calling and keeping up with this. We need this ban to be lifted.

Think of the money we could be saving!

[bobbolink]

186. Thanks. I spread the word today, and gave a lot of people his phone number.

Tomorrow I'll reach more, and several on Tuesday.

If they all call and ask others to call......

:nuke:

[DesertFlower]

69. kerry, levin, schumer, warner.

all i can say is "et tu brute"?

[Sunnyshine]

85. what else could it be?

Money talks and can easily betray us in some way or another.

[Chisox08]

73. Sad to say both of my Senators is on the list

[rpannier]

76. Damn... Feinstein isn't one of them

Color me shocked and pleased

Good on her and (as much as this sickens me to say so) Ben Nelson

[Turborama]

91. LIEberman shouldn't be on that list

He's not a Democrat. He should be on the RepubliCON list.

[Le Taz Hot]

108. John Kerry.

Oh, but of course he did! He was part of the coalition that buried Dean (along with Gebhardt & Edwards). He then managed to LOSE against the worst. president. ever. Man, Rahm and the DLC sure can pick 'em, can't they? I'll remind everyone that Obama and Hillary were both DLC choices.

[onpatrol98]

133. Voted For

Wow! Who voted in favor of the bill?

[Sunnyshine]

138. Voting in favor of:

YEAS -- 51

Alexander (R-TN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Coburn (R-OK)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)
Wyden (D-OR)

Semi-explanation of why we fell short of the 60 votes needed-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/doughnuts-for-dorgan-drug_n_393527.html

One of those things that developed in the intervening period: a deal to kill the Dorgan amendment in exchange for closing the so-called doughnut hole -- the period of time when Medicare recipients must pay the full cost of drugs.

In short: It interfered with current HCR.:eyes:

[NorthCarolina]

50. Just look at the DLC member list...I think you'll find your answer there. (nt)

[Goldstein1984]

80. My Alaska "Democrat" Senator, Mark Begich, was one

Made a phone call and sent him an email asking him if worms were eating his brain.

In fairness to him, Alaska is a red state, and Begich is going to have to kiss a lot of Republican ass to be more than a one term senator. That's what he was doing with this vote.

[Bushknew]

47. Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious

wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 7:15,16

[ChiciB1]

49. Ed Made Me Cry Last Week When He Was In Kansas City, I Honestly

believe that HE CARES! I don't think he WANTS to say what HAS to be said, he seems to be "pleading" with Obama to LISTEN TO THE BASE!

I've thought Ed Schultz has been better than most on HCR! Him and Keith have really opened some eyes! I'm coming late to this post, but what Keith said tonight may have been harsh, but I really think Keith may not have wanted to say it either!

Glad to have them on my side, and on the side of "we the people!"

[donheld]

53. I'm thinking Barack needs to be over Ed's knee.

:spank:

[O is 44]

54. I'm apart of Obama's base

and I don't believe he is a sellout Ed. Obama is a pragmatist he is doing what can be done in this corrupt system. I wish more dems would use their anger in constructive ways and pressure congress. Instead of threatening to sit out in 2010 vote more dems in.

[benny05]

56. This is all about perception

And Ed is calling Obama, who is supposed to have the master team of PR people, on this. He doesn't want perception, he wants leadership. Obama cannot afford to cop out account of the on Congress. This should be a partnership, and it ain't.

[dflprincess]

66. "Pragmatism makes for bad policy"

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/78561822.html?elr=KArksc8P <img src=

[pundaint]

68. Were not sitting out, we're just not going to renew our loan of power

to those who refuse to wield it in our interest. From now on it's one and done for me. No politician gets a second vote for promises. Either they act like what they got me to vote for, or I'll try someone else. Right now, I observe that Obama's actions have not matched the platform I voted for, and he's already committed to abrogating most of it. Health Insurance Reform is his last chance to squeak by, everything else is trivial now that he's amped up the war, and fixed wall street bonuses before fixing the damage done by those getting them.

[sybylla]

139. That's exactly what Dem activists in my state fear.

I've talked to so many who believe if we don't pass real healthcare reform, the party is over. So many of them are just like you. They've worked their tails off for years against the previous misadministration and to get Dems elected. If the legislators they helped get elected can only manage to deliver a bailout for the health insurance industry instead of real reform, they will walk away from the party en masse.

If President Obama and Congress don't take this seriously, it won't tear apart the party. There will just be nothing left in it but wing-nut moderates who have issues facing their true Republican and corporatist selves.

[Mithreal]

71. Many are doing both. Worth heeding the warnings if

we want to maintain numerical superiority and ensure another four years.

We blame the media for not doing it's job and they are clearly compromised but we usually ignore our power.

The American people and that includes the sliver that come here are pressuring you to do your job as well, or like some said, they will exercise their power to vote by abstaining. Doesn't matter if I don't like it. So do your job, don't make excuses for the President. Pressuring Congress is just a start. We can pressure the WH, local government and party, media, and organizations both corporate and of good will.

Lotsa people don't think he is a sellout, then have him prove it.

[Sunnyshine]

77. You don't have to believe it.

The wild elephants and sluggish DINO's are stampeding around inside our party tent here, tearing our platform apart,
as ardent democratic supporters are being shoved back outside and corralled into the stands where they must remain
until called upon for a vote in 2010. How come they don't do that to the big lobbyists and bankers?

This is not a fairy tale. It is the truth and must not be ignored. Really does suck to say it, see it, and hear it. It is a major problem.

Please be objective enough to see that our main man is being one sided on some deep domestic policies, and he has
surrounded himself with many ruthless characters who work very hard to cater to corporate needs first. Yet again.

We need a President that does not fool the people- but rather takes on those who continue to bankrupt and plunder us on Main St.

Seriously worried for our chance at real progress- as in strong policies that improves the personal lives of citizens.
We have been waiting for decades you know. Dems have higher standards as supporters- even with low expectations.

Republicans believe just about anything. Democrats simply do not. It is a noticeable difference that I am grateful to be a part of.

[Suji to Seoul]

93. How big of a majority do we need before we have people who aren't DINOS

or those with no spines?

Our party, and our president, has abandoned the base. They take us for granted because they know we will NEVER vote Republican.

Well, this member of Obama's base will never vote for a Democrat again if health care reform without a strong public option passes.

I will vote third party or write in "Donald Duck."

[V_Byl]

117. I second that...

I feel like going back to throwing away my vote on the Green Party. I can't believe how much has stayed the same, and if the Senate health care bill passes, how much worse things are going to get...

On the bright side Aetna and United Health Care's stock prices aren't suffering as bad as their so-called "customers". :sarcasm:

[Enthusiast]

105. President Obama could have changed

what "can be done" in this corrupt system. To many of us, he didn't even appear to try. And this is coming form a man that cried tears at the inauguration. I've experienced quite a turn about. No one wants to believe more than me.

[freddie mertz]

112. Ed was talking about his PROGRESSIVE base.

Are you really part of that?

Because right now, progressive principles and Obama's policies could not be further apart.

[GOTV]

119. I don't think we need more dems as much as we need better dems ....

... I'll take more dems but I think we'd be better off with the same number of dems if they were better dems.

[Bluenorthwest]

132. Hey, if Obama is a pragmatist, then why does he cite

religious reasons for his opposition to equal rights for all Americans? What kind of pragmatist says that invisible forces influence his opinions? He claims to be 'faith based' and he says 'God is in the mix' in his policy views. How do you make that work? He's pragmatically faith based, or faithfully pragmatic?
Do you see discrimination based on religious faith to be pragmatic? Do you know what pragmatic means?

[Fearless]

57. Agreed 100%.

[bertman]

59. Perfect!! Thank you, Ed. Rec and kick. nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

64. K&R +1 Thanks Ed,

and thanks benny05!

[midnight]

67. Loopholes that will never be talked about. Consumers are going to be gouged

as if a economic hit man was in charge...

[Bette Noir]

70. Ed is right. "Sellout" is the exact word I was thinking.

[LaPera]

75. Ed is absolutely right & fuck the moderates & the stupid assholes who want this bill the

fools, the stupid, the uninformed moderates, the people who don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves the slimy fucks selfish fucks know who they are, you could read many of these assholes come out of the woodwork around here!

This fucked up bill and the only reason Obama wants it, and why Obama is using scare tactics, is simply that any fucked up bill will do for Rahm Emanuel plans & bullshit phony political tactics, any bill...

Even a fucked up bill like the one offered now that has been strip of everything and that does virtually nothing to stop the insurance companies gouging, collusion, monopoly, or their obscene profits and absolute command of health care for profit only, as this current Lieberman bill allows.

Fuck the American people, the sick, the dying the workers, the middle class and the poor.

Obama only wants to get behind this fucked up bill so he could parade around and call this piece of shit bill "health care REFORM" and claim the bill as a victory for himself, his administration and the American people.

As this pile of shit bill will be his center piece of achievement during his State of the Union Address next month.

Kill the bill! Put this watered down to nothing bill, this absolutely bullshit weak senate bill to death!

[bbgrunt]

79. I have grown to really appreciate Ed, but

sadly, I doubt all this angst will have much effect. I seem to recall a great deal of criticism from the progressives when the big dog pushed nafta, but yet, he is revered today by many--even those who should know better. I sure hope that having some progressive talkers and the tools of communication that we have now will make a difference in our ability to have an effect. Now to the phones.....

[Goldstein1984]

83. Well spoken. Hardly an emotional outburst

He's speaking for a lot of people today.

[AsahinaKimi]

86. He is absolutely right

Obama best listen to his base... and people like Howard Dean... This was not the change
I voted for.

[Triana]

87. Schultz is right. And O'Bomber IS a sellout. n/t

[Wizard777]

88. Obama can play nice with the republicans ot he can enact the will of his base.

But he can't do both. If I wanted someone in the White House making sure the Republicans had a relevant voice in the government. I would have voted for John McCain. Every time he gives the republicans relevance they use it to ABUSE us. We're sick of getting kicked in the teeth by the republicans. If Obama continue to insist that we play nice with the republicans. Then we'll follow his lead and play nice with the republicans on his impeachment. Pick a reason, any reason. If Obama can't beat them then we have to join them.

[gtar100]

90. That is *exactly* what Obama needs to hear.

And either he will listen and take corrective measures, or we're going to find out that he couldn't care less and his election tactics were pure marketing. If it's the latter, that's despicable. I'm with Big Ed on this one. Obama has done some good things, but on the big stuff, the really important stuff, he's been one disappointment after another. It's like he's not even trying. And either he's a big showboat or he's a man with a death threat over his family and his head. I am left to only wonder about the *real* conversations that take place but the results are very telling.

Keep it up Ed. It's not that liberals and progressives are weak; it's that we won't take bullshit from anyone regardless of party.

[pokercat999]

96. Speaking to Obama is a waste of time. He played the

middle-class and young voters just like Ray-gun. All the while his corporate masters were smiling because they knew he was in their pocket.

There is an answer and it lies with a couple of handfuls of left wing Senators. If, Sanders, Feingold, Kerry, Harkin, and 10 or 12 others join together and vow to filibuster every bill and action of the Senate until HCR with a meaningful public option or Medi-care for everyone passes they could win.

The fact is we are being played by both sides. They want the issues to divide us....not solutions to our troubles.

[Le Taz Hot]

109. Boxer would be on that list.

Who else?

[pundaint]

124. Harken has chosen the side of capitulation on this one and has joined

the disinformation campaign.

[pokercat999]

180. Sorry to hear that, he has been a favorite of mine. nt

[omega minimo]

97. Ed Shouts is an insufferable moran

[lonestarnot]

99. I beg your pardon? "Moran?"

:rofl: We all know our morans when we see one, and he is neither a moran nor a moron, just in case.

[omega minimo]

106. Moran. Fakety fake, get his fake face off the Home Page MORAN who SHOUTS

[freddie mertz]

113. Why don't you get off the page instead.

Childish insults are all you bring to the discussion.

[Name removed]

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[freddie mertz]

115. He wasn't shouting in that piece. Not at all.

Did you watch it?

I've seen him yell.

This wasn't one of those at all.

[Bluenorthwest]

135. But adults use puking emoticons to make points?

The puking icon, the name calling and the word 'effin' are all very adult things. Keep telling yourself that.

[mitchtv]

172. more unintelligible rant

(not Ed , either)

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

116. All DU'er's should email the WH

There are 151,505 registered members here. Everyone should email or call, if you wish, the WH
and tell them the base is eroding. Send a wake- up call.

I just did.

[scentopine]

121. Democrats = Spineless, Unprincipaled, Cowardly, Worhtless

30 Years of support fucking me over every day. Fuck Obama.

Bush was only slightly worse.

[defendandprotect]

126. It's a widespread awakening among Democrats . . . though many on DU would like

to suggest it's a few isolated commentors here!

The complete awakening has happened and though those who have wanted to suggest

Obama needs time have merely raised eyebrows of disbelief before this --

right now any such comments would simply bring laughter or tears!!



Schultz and Olberman have fought a good fight on health care -- but they had no

means to deliver it ---

It is the public which is going to have to rise up to knock out corporatism before

things get any worse!!

[peaches2003]

130. Hit him where it hurts

I just happened to be called by Organizing for America (Obama's $$$-raising organization) yesterday. We had contributed a number of times during the Pres. campaign. They wanted $$$ for 2010/2012. I let her get 3 words out of her mouth and then hit her with a barrage of pent-up frustration about Obama and our disappointment in him- lack of leadership from the WH, his never taking a firm stand on principle and meaning it, caving in to the insurance gangsters and Big Pharma without a fight, turning his leadership over to the fools in Congress, etc. I told her to tell O to call on his insurance friends and Joe Lieberman when he needs money and leave the liberal base of his party alone. Don't call me again! Withholding support is the only thing that will get through to him.

[Autumn Colors]

134. K&R (nt)

[Lincolntf]

136. Predictable as the sunrise.

Come on people. Who really believed that Obama could be trusted? He spent his life railing against evil corporations and then took more money from them than any candidate in history. He was, is, and will continue to be a giant fraud.

[peace frog]

137. If the shoe fits

W43 has a brazillion pairs of cowboy boots emblazoned with the Presidential Seal he'd be willing to let go, cheap.

[kjones]

140. All your base are belong to...

HD apparently. He really needs to get in touch.

[mrbarber]

141. Whoa, looked up Rahm Emmanuel on Wikepedia and looked what was listed:

"Emanuel was born in Chicago, Illinois to Jewish parents.<4> His father, Benjamin M. Emanuel, a Jerusalem-born pediatrician, was a member of the Irgun, a militant Zionist group that operated in the British mandate of Palestine between 1931 and 1948. He recognzied immediatly what an ass-hole he had sired."

[Ken Burch]

177. Good one. That will probably be deleted by now, but good on whoever posted it.

n/t.

[Blue Owl]

145. Keep it real, bro...

Real Democrats don't compromise with the Devil.

[greyghost]

148. Ed is spot on!

[katty]

149. Go Ed and Dean is correct, Democrats are successful at caving in

and bending over.

[democrat2thecore]

150. Well said, Ed. And it's not just HCR, that's what's so sad - it's MANY issues. -nt

[quark219]

151. Total sellout. Can I get my vote back? N/T

[get the red out]

152. Ed Shultz is an attention-seeking whore

He cares about his ratings, just like Limbaugh.

[felinetta]

153. I am tired of Ed and his hysterical rants. I do not support this Dean uprising and I will tell Obama

[Ticonderoga]

154. Well Ed,

I for one have got your back on this one. Good job sir. Keep up the truthtelling.

[missmaude]

157. Barack Obama

go read Bad Attitudes, why he's no FDR

[missmaude]

158. Howard Dean

I just heard Senator Carper says that "he thinks Dr. Dean hasn't read the bill!! On MSNBC.

[igfoth]

159. Yes We Still Have a Choice

and that is vote with our feet....

after living though the Rancid Ronnie and the Bush Years with a very small glimer of hope during the Clinton years it has now become apparent that Obama is going to be a huge disappointment, well I am sick of it, I put my life on the line for a decade defending this country, I have worked for various liberal candidates only to find out they lost their backbone once elected so there is only one option left, leave the country.

I am ready to go, as soon as my affairs are in order I am heading to the Great White North, it may not be perfect but is a far cry better from what America is rapidly becoming.

I encourage more people to leave…what is the point in staying in a country that no longer represents my values any more?

[shadowknows69]

160. Fucking A Ed. +1

[whistler162]

161. I do so enjoy "voices" telling me what I think!

NOT

[Vermontgrown]

163. Ho hum

more of the same from rich people running the show. I've been saying this for a long time, as long as there are rich people running this country the middle class is sunk.

[alp227]

165. Great job Ed! I need to start watching this show.

K&R - all I gotta say. Yet another golden MSNBC commentary; the other one was Keith's regarding Fox News.

[Name removed]

168. Deleted message

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

178. Yeah! Let's break out the racist slurs!

:eyes:

[Turk 182]

169. Right On !!!!!!!!

I am so beyond rage at Obama I am numb. this is not the man or the policies I supported and voted for.
He has lost me.

[theFrankFactor]

170. It's Not About Being Tough-This is Exactly How The Set-Up is Supposed to Work

That's the next thing Liberals need to understand.

The Democrat power structure ensures Liberal failure.

Figure it out or wait another year to catch on.

[valerief]

174. I sent a Buh-Bye email to the WH saying I was disgusted with

their escalation in Afghanistan and the Insurance Company Giveaway they supported.

I'm sick of the whole lot of corporatists. Of course, that includes ALL republicans, too.

[bajamary]

181. Off with the Vichy Democrats' heads

This Progressive Democrat from Chicago has been says for awhile, Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod et all are corporate machine politicians.

My fellow DUers, Obama, Geithner, Summers, Rubin are doing the business of business not of We The People.

It makes me deeply sad and angry that the man I worked months and months to elect was in fact a Vichy Democrat dressed ever so beautifully in "Change We Can Believe" in clothing.

I, for one, won't get fooled again.

And I am deeply grateful that Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter and Howard Dean and many others are telling these Corporate Vichy Democrats that we will not support this health bill without a robust public option.

[bajamary]

182. Off with the Vichy Democrats' heads

This Progressive Democrat from Chicago has been says for awhile, Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod et all are corporate machine politicians.

My fellow DUers, Obama, Geithner, Summers, Rubin are doing the business of business not of We The People.

It makes me deeply sad and angry that the man I worked months and months to elect was in fact a Vichy Democrat dressed ever so beautifully in "Change We Can Believe" in clothing.

I, for one, won't get fooled again.

And I am deeply grateful that Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter and Howard Dean and many others are telling these Corporate Vichy Democrats that we will not support this health bill without a robust public option.

[mother earth]

183. KUDOS, Ed!!! He's sold out the base that elected him, he's

stomped on the call to end the war, for real reform in health care, we've got the CORPORATE state of Amerika now...we're not united, we're under the corporate stranglehold more than ever.

[bajamary]

184. Off with the Vichy Democrats' heads

This Progressive Democrat from Chicago has been saying for awhile that Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod et all are corporate machine politicians.

My fellow DUers, Obama, Geithner, Summers, Rubin are doing the business of business not of We The People.

It makes me deeply sad and angry that the man I worked months and months to elect was in fact a Vichy Democrat dressed ever so beautifully in "Change We Can Believe" in clothing.

I, for one, won't get fooled again.

And I am deeply grateful that Ed Schultz and Wendell Potter and Howard Dean and many others are telling these Corporate Vichy Democrats that we will not support this health bill without a robust public option.

[David Zephyr]

185. Kicking this up.

Good for Ed.

[yurbud]

187. kick

[Imagevision]

190. It's starting to appear that way....

[thearcher]

191. The base is leaving the house

Like so many other Democrats, I have put in my time, energy, money, and votes into the Democratic party.

I do not do these things lightly. If the Democrats are going to only listen to those who pay them the most money, at the expense of even ignoring the Democratic Platform, I will state that I have been duped into voting people into office and that this has been a huge waste of my precious time.

Going forward, my time, energy, money, and commitment is going to people and organizations that actually deserve it!

I AM UN-ENROLLING FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

I have always voted Democrat even though many times it has simply been the lesser of two evils.

No more. Actions speak louder than words. I am sick of politicians saying whatever it takes to be elected and then accepting goodies from the corporate lobby candy store and then answering only to them.

Prove to me you have the honesty, integrity, and ethics to deserve my precious time and resources.