Dean speaks out again on Morning Joe.

[madfloridian]

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Here is the full quite long interview at MSNBC which captures more of his real intent.

Here are some quotes from the interview which were posted by Hissyspit today at DU

TIME'S MIKE HALPERIN: "I'm confused about what you want to have happen next? Why not pass a bill in the Senate, even if you don't like it. Go to a conference committee with the House and see if something emerges from that next step, that you like?"

DEAN: "How likely do you think it is that the people who vetoed this bill in the Senate aren't going to veto the conference committee?

- snip -

If you stripped out all the insurance protection, you'd have a stripped-down bill that doesn't offend anybody except the insurance lobby. It would be really hard to vote against a bill that had all the good things in it, but didn't have all the insurance company protections. I'd like to get rid of the individual mandate at this point. Why should we force Americans to pay insurance companies and have thirty percent of that taken away for the CEO salaries making 20 million dollars a year?

- snip -

"Look, here's the deal. Every politician says this, and I hesitate to do it, because they all say it. But, sometimes, the country is more important than either party. I'm going to support President Obama when he runs for re-election, not vigorously... I'm gonna vote for him.

- snip -

Be fair. He's done a terrific job on the environment. He's done an incredible job restoring America to its proper place in the world with respect. But this. I happen to know a lot about this. This is my life's work... This bill sets the tone for what happens in health insurance reform for the rest of the history of the country. And if you start making concessions just to get votes from people who really don't have the best interests of ordinary people, i.e. who care about insurance companies, then you put this country on a trajectory which is a disaster. And that, in my view, is what the Senate bill does.

- snip -

It's because they are absorbed into a process where the only goal is to get this bill passed. And the problem is, in that short-term thinking, they've lost sight of what's going to happen when this bill goes out. I KNOW what this bill is going to do when it goes out, because I've been doing this for... fifteen years ago, we did what they're trying to do now. And if you make a small mistake and give the insurance companies the upper hand, and this bill gives the insurance companies the upper hand, by simply getting rid of state regulation. That's what it does."

[pjt7]

1. "This is my life's work"

Nice quote by Dr.Dean

[tomm2thumbs]

2. thanks for posting - he is more genuine than any of the talkers being pushed by Insurance supporters

He was supportive of the bill just a week ago when it had a reasonable option to benefit consumers - he is not doing this as 'payback' he is doing this because they stripped it down to less-than-its-vital-organs. It is no longer anything but a shell with 2000 pages.

Reconcile something positive.
Regulate the industry as it should be by taking away their anti-trust.
That is more reform than the Lieberman Bill.

[jwirr]

4. Interesting. I come from union country out here in Minnesota and

I cannot believe how angry we are at President Obama. We are not dumb enough to vote repug but we may just support him in the next election the way Dr. Dean says he will. We are his base and we are not ignorant. He had better learn that right now if he want to keep his majority in 2010 or win in 2012.

[tomm2thumbs]

7. precisely, they argue 'don't make the terrible the enemy of the horrible' - laughable

Found that on another posting. We have been expecting our Democratic legislators to do the right thing. We have to finally speak up when they do nothing of the sort. And especially when the President is cheering them on in the backrooms.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

3. It's a difficult situation I think the final bill will pass &over time we'll work something out...

by persistence if nothing else.

[madfloridian]

5. The bill will pass. Insurance companies will applaud.

And I fear the rest of us will not be too thrilled when the mandates start.

[get the red out]

6. He belongs on "Morning Joe"

Really on Fox News, anywhere where the President can be destroyed.

[pjt7]

8. i guess after putting corrupt citigroup/Goldman Sachs people

in charge of his financial team. & pushing America's precious youth & capitol into an un-winnable war (afghan) this WH was feeling INVINCIBLE.

Trying to hood-wink us on a bad health-care bill..NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

[Mithreal]

15. Come on American people, take one for the team and support the goals of the DLC

[Mithreal]

18. Only Obama can destroy Obama.

The thugs can respect a fighter but a good bill is anathema to them. Dean isn't doing their work, the fight is never over and Dean just wants a good bill.

Funny that some on DU buy Joe's bs, slop it up unquestioningly, and then regurgitate that Dean is doing the Regressive's work. I don't know if they are stupid, DLC, or easily misled.

[Enrique]

9. I was surprised by the "not vigorously" part

I wonder if he regrets that, maybe even coming out later and saying he was joking.

[raystorm7]

10. I felt the same way as Dean before he even said that... Maybe I'll vote for O or Maybe stay home =/

[madfloridian]

11. Could be he resents being called "irrelevant" and "irrational"?

By WH spokespersons?

I would resent it myself.

Meanwhile Holy Joe is lording it over all of us.

[Enrique]

12. Dean doesn't seem the resenting type

you can do his resenting for him. ;-)

[madfloridian]

14. He sounded a little resenting on Morning Joe.

[Mithreal]

17. I didn't hear any resentment but could be wrong

Maybe it was just being in the faux lion's den.

[Hissyspit]

21. UPDATE: Dean just said on Ed that he would support Obama "vigorously."

Apparently, in his appearance on Morning Joe, he was going to say something else after "not..." and then said "vigorously,"

Completely confusing. Even Joe and Mika thought he said "not vigorously."

[madfloridian]

22. It was like he changed his thought midstream

as he often does. After I listened again I could hear it.

[KoKo]

13. Dean talks a good bit about why bill in present form isn't good...compares it to Vermont

and the health care bill they put in. It's a good watch to learn more about the problems with the bill.

[me b zola]

16. True to form, Joe continues to mislead

Joe tries to tie the plummeting poll numbers for HCR to freaking teabaggers. Give me a break. The poll numbers for HCR did not decline until they took the public option out. Walking away from the expansion of Medicare was the final straw.

[bertman]

19. Dr. Dean was exactly right--AGAIN.

But, of course, Morning Jaw and Dimwit Meekuh cannot be serious or engage in anything other than celebrating Jaw's long-ago time as a Rep. and trying to put down Dr. Dean.

Just. Fucking. Pitiful. Does Meekuh ever say anything intelligent? I have only seen the show two or three times and each time she acts like a ditz.

Recced for Dr. Dean's response. The rest is bullshit.

[Mithreal]

20. There's something going on between those two, Jaw and Meek

[midnight]

23. There needs to be citizen regulation over those profit making insurance co.

Close all the loop hole, or get rid of them....