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Reform Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 06:53 PM
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Ed Schultz Takes On Robert Gibbs
 
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 06:57 PM
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1. Saw it on Ed's show
thing of beauty. And he's coming back tomorrow for more?
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:02 PM
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2. The way Gibbs filibustered Ed's questions
said it all.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:06 PM
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3. Gibbs IS playing a shell game
you can see it in his face. If I was playing poker with him - I'm all in, what ya got dickhead?
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:06 PM
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4. Gibbs might learn something if he would listen.
They still don't seem to get it.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:56 AM
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57. And it is so weird Big Eddie is schooling them
When I first listened to "I know nothing" Schultz I could not stand him but more and more he is the voice for the people. Big Eddie still shills but if he is after you, you better take notice. I have grown to like Schultz more and more while at the same time progressively losing respect for the White House we elected little by little. Don't think I haven't written Schultz when I thought he was wrong, I contact the White House often too. If anything, I have seen Big Eddie more responsive to my comments. That said, I still have a hard time listening to Schultz on the radio and I don't have cable so appreciate DU'ers posting clips very much.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:12 PM
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5. Wow, I Love Ed! "You Filibustered Me Twice!"
Gibbs didn't want to have a conversation. He was a rude little punk. Ed will take him to town. Big Ed won't let chatty cathy get away with that shit again.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:36 PM
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32. Never thought I'd miss Scott McClellan (not really, but still)
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 11:36 PM by tblue
Gibbs acts like a weasel. I'm getting to where I can't stand the sight of his face.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:50 AM
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55. A weasel and ineffective at that. Some of the seams and cracks are showing now.
After the economic team is fired and Rahm quartered, Gibbs should go too.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:13 PM
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6. To Da Greatest Page Wit Ya!
:patriot:
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:14 PM
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7. "Oh no...
... our base is just fine and dandy and they like the mandated insurance put together by the health insurance industry. We don't need to ensure cost effectiveness and those insurance companies don't need competition right now because the economy sucks so it's easier to make sure 30+ million people are forced to pay for that Health extortion...errr.. insurance because we are thinking about the children."

What a f*cking clod. And totally clueless and in denial that people are UNHAPPY with the direction the Administration is going.

And there will be more cuts to this HIR (it's not HCR) to try to appease the moderates/conservatives and Indies because after all, apparently, they are the ones that got Obama in the WH becaue I ahve yet to see anything for the Dem side of the coin except for a bone thrown here and there...

Looks like Snowe, Collins, Nelsona and Lieberman are the new Barons and Baronesses of DC.

It's hard to imagine that there is a Democratic Majority pushing nothing but conservative legislation. Bilk it all while you can right?
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whatacountry09 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:41 PM
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24. PERFECTLY PUT!
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:24 PM
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27. +1

and axelrod wasn't any better on Hardball regarding these points
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:15 PM
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81. TY. Axelrod's responses were abysmal too. +1.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:11 PM
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78. +1.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:17 PM
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8. "...are you on the side of big insurance." You mean like the democratic Leadership
this is why they could never win on this issue even with the people backing them up while they held a super majority. There position was always compromised and now Gibbs implies that the GOP is in lock step with health insurance... does he realize people DO pay attention.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:17 PM
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9. good on ya' Eddie.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:09 AM
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33. +1
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:28 PM
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10. I dont see what anyone did that was such a big deal. Sounded like a normal conversation.
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babyblonde Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:29 PM
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11. ED GETS
BETTER AND BETTER EVERY DAY what a surprise:party: :loveya:
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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:50 AM
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40. Too bad Ed's not running for Senate....
You just have to believe that he would kick ass and take names.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:34 PM
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12. I agree with Ed here. n/t
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:35 PM
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13. Gibbs supposedly is coming back tomorrow
I sincerely hope that Ed tears him a new one on national television after his snotty talkovers today. Gibbs needs to be taken down a peg or fifteen. Smarmy little fuckwit. :grr:
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:22 PM
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22. Yes, I have never seen Ed have trouble getting a word in edgewise.
This is not a good sign. This is the point to acknowledge mistakes and change your ways. Soon it will be a point of no return.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:37 PM
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14. 6 recs were added in the amount of time it took me to watch this! Good job, Ed!
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:38 PM
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15. Gibbs is playing a cute game here
by claiming that the spike in insurance company stock is related to Brown's success. The spike occured when the Senate bill passed and he knows it.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:14 PM
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79. Yes! +1.
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:49 PM
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16. Glad Ed asked that question. Wish he had answered.
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 07:55 PM
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17. Did you hear...
...Gibbs say that they assumed the seat was safe?

Proof that they were too complacent and thought for sure the seat would remain with the Democratic Party...

Hell, I run my business a hell of a lot better than Obama's team. I think Obama needs to dump them all and get real progressives/Democrats in there.
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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:14 PM
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18. I think people need to chill out.
The bill will make it unable for companies to deny people for pre-existing conditions. That's the morally responsible thing to do. But in return for that, we need a mandate and ways to raise subsidies. I think the Senate Bill also has a cap on how much insurance Cos can take out as overhead?

I know there's no public option, but Obama doesn't have the votes to reach 60 to get that through. I don't think you could do a lot of this bill in reconciliation. I don't like the filibuster rule, but it's there. I still think the Senate Bill is worth passing. I don't think Ed Schultz is being practical here, but I understand it's his job to "pull" to the left. Massachusetts was NOT a referendum on healthcare.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:44 PM
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29. Unable?
:rofl: :rofl:

I think they will be up to that challenge.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:41 AM
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35. He doesn't need 60 votes. n/t
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 06:03 AM
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44. You CLEARLY dont know the facts...
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 06:05 AM by quantass
Even as a Canadian it appears i know more than you.

#1. You dont need 60 votes -- you are watching too much tv and not doing enough reading
#2. allowing pre-existing will only have the companies spike premiums so high they cant afford and thus dont get insurance.
#3. No cost containment -- prices will keep rising and even if their are subsidies the companies will get even richer and the government will go bankrupt...the dream deal for the health insurance industry.

The stock prices of ALL health stock has spiked dramatically because of their excitement that this PATHETIC bill by Congress (endorsed passionately by the WH) is gaining steam.

It is clear the President is nothing more than a closet republican...bought and sold like any other cheap product on the shelf.
Unless things change he will be a 1 term president....and he deserves it. Good riddance to bad rubbish. MA on Tuesday was a clear indication of the frustation by our base...If i was a MA resident i certainly would not have gone out to vote for the junk that Coakley was pulling...i obviously would not have voted for Brown but there in lies the problem...motivation to go out and vote....hence MA has now turned red after 30+ years.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:33 AM
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68. 60 votes is a lie
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 05:46 PM
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85. Two points
1. Kennedy-Kassebaum Bill also 'prevented' insurance companies from denying pre-existing conditions. That never happened.

2. The people of Massachusetts have gov't sponsored insurance and according to several sources I've heard and read (all out of Mass) there was a sizeable portion of Democrats 3 in 5 (Dems) that voted for Brown, that were concerned that this would adversely affect what they have.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:14 PM
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19. Actually, I think Gibbs did fine.
The biggest problem with the health care bill was Max Baucus and his committee.
And the Blue Dogs.

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Think82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:22 PM
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20. Exactly
And the Republicans. Again, this was not a referendum on healthcare. This was a gut vote for angry, scared independents.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 05:28 AM
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41. Obama's economic team is slowing destroying his presidency and the democratic party!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:14 AM
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58. Agree..
and the people can't seem to focus on that part of it.

The fact that as the healthcare debate was going on you could see who was stalling it and who had been pretending to be Dems for years but,could not hide it any longer because they had to protect their precious insurance companies which is in their interests not ours.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:34 AM
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69. The Senate Finance bill was the Obama bill.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:14 PM
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21. Gibbs played like a loud broken record avoiding
anything Ed was able to get in edgewise.
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whatacountry09 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:37 PM
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23. GIBBS WAS EVADING THE POINTS AND NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS...
HERE IS EXACTLY WHY "I" - A FORMER PART OF "OBAMA'S BASE" IS PISSED OFF:

1. Regarding Healthcare... Obama made a DEAL with big Pharma and costs will remain the SAME; Obama didn't fight hard enough for a PUBLIC OPTION; Obama has now made loopholes for Insurance Companies to STILL GET AWAY WITH OUTRAGEOUS PREMIUMS FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. THAT'S ONE!

2. Economy - Obama DID NOT implement REGULATION THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN ORDER FOR MAIN STREET TO BE HELPED! He bailed out banks and Wall Street is allowed to keep on the way they have been! He SHOULD'VE BAILED OUT HIS MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN BASE... THE ONE'S THAT WERE FOR HIM BECAUSE OF HIS CAMPAIGN!!! THAT'S TWO!

3. Iraq & Afghanistan - WHY ARE WE SENDING MORE OF OUR INNOCENT TROOPS TO FIGHT A WAR THAT IS ONLY FOR MONEY & OIL? WHY ARE WE STILL HEARING ABOUT "TERRORISTS"???? WE ARE NOT STUPID AND USING THE SAME B.S. BUSH HANDED US IS PERFECT PROOF THAT IT'S THE SAME OLD B.S. NOTHING HAS CHANGED HERE EXCEPT MORE TIME IN IRAQ AND WAY TOO MANY LIVES PUT IN HARMS WAY FOR REASONS THAT ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! THAT'S THREE!

4. Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Obama was "SUPPOSED" to have this FIXED IMMEDIATELY... As I keep reading and reading... the newz is sad... some losing retirement because of this after they gave their LIVES for US - some just being kicked out because of their sexuality... it's WRONG and it's discrimination. WHAT PART OF THEM JOINING OUR ARMED FORCES AND FIGHTING FOR ALL OF OUR LIVES - IS NOT BEING GOTTEN HERE. IF IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO GETS TO FIGHT FOR US... THEN THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE SHOULDN'T MATTER EITHER. GET OVER IT ALREADY!!! And think about it... do you really think that it's a disease or an illness??? Do you really think that IF YOU WERE JUST NOT SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO SOMEONE - YOU'D BE WITH THEM. THE ANSWER IS NO!!! Now... take it to the next level and what IF you didn't feel anything towards the opposite sex, but when you stand next to someone of the same sex... BAM... you feel an attraction! YOU THINK THAT'S A FRIGEN' CHOICE???? NO... IT IS WHAT IT IS... LET THEM LIVE AND GET OVER IT. IF THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO BE SENT TO FIGHT... LET THEM CHOOSE WHO THEY WANNA LOVE!!!! THAT'S FOUR!

5. FISA & THE PATRIOT ACT... BOTH BY BUSH... BOTH TAKING OUR RIGHTS AWAY AND BOTH WAY OUT OF CONTROL. YOU SLIPPED IN RE-SIGNING THE DEAL IN DECEMBER WHEN IT WAS COMING UP FOR RENEWAL... NO ONE REPORTED IT... BUT THOSE OF US WHO ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KEEP AN EYE ON THINGS THAT OUR "ELECTED OFFICIALS" ARE APPARENTLY NOT... ARE VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THIS. AND YOU DID NOTHING TO CHANGE IT. KEPT THE STATUS QUO.

6. STOP TRYING FOR BIPARTISONSHIP... IT WON'T WORK. BUSH DIDN'T GIVE A S#IT WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE AND IF YOU WERE SERIOUS ABOUT CHANGE... YOU COULD DO IT... JUST LIKE HE DID.

7. CRIMINAL PROSECUTION FOR BUSH AND HIS ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION FOR WAR CRIMES! NOTHING DONE THERE EITHER.

8. 9/11 - NO RE-INVESTIGATION WHEN THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION IGNORED WAY TOO MANY INCREDIBLE AND UNBELIEVEABLE FACTS.

And THESE ARE THE REASONS YOUR BASE IS PISSED OFF! So, STOP THE DOUBLE TALK, STOP TALKING OVER ED WHEN HE'S ASKING YOU THE REAL QUESTIONS, AND STOP PRETENDING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THE BASE IS. YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. BUT... OUR PRESIDENT TOOK $20MILLION FROM THESE INSURANCE COMPANIES... SO WHAT DID WE REALLY EXPECT?????

NOW... I hope that MA was a lesson to this Administration... STOP F'ING WITH US BECAUSE YOU WILL LOSE YOUR SEATS... Not because your base will vote for the other side (BECAUSE WE STILL HATE THEM) BUT BECAUSE WE ARE SO ANGRY AT THESE WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE ISSUES ABOVE THAT WE HAVE BECOME UNMOTIVATED TO COME OUT AND VOTE AT ALL. THEREFORE, THEY WILL WIN.

FIX IT!

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whatacountry09 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:00 PM
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25. OH YEAH... AND I FORGOT...
The credit card B.S. - I had an 8.9% interest rate with Juniper... always paid on time, used the card frequently and now because of the "fix"... I now have a MUCH HIGHER RATE. If you weren't gonna REALLY FIX IT RIGHT AND ENFORCE "NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON" RATE HIKES AND FEES... I'D STILL HAVE AN 8.9% APR! NOW... I DON'T!
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Ghost of Tom Joad Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:03 AM
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47. Well said
It seems the administration and its minions forgot that democrats were elected in 2008 not republicans. The country wanted a new direction not more of the same old stuff. I can not believe that this is the Obama who ran a wonderful campaign. What a mess they are making.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:22 PM
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26. Gibbs doesn't "get it" because he doesn't WANT to get it. The administration is so wrapped
up in its fantasy of what THEY THINK the American people will swallow that they STILL don't see that they had their asses handed to them yesterday.

Ed Schultz is on this like a duck on a June bug. Gibbs will get his ass reamed tomorrow. I can't wait.

Rec.

The aroma of the DLC is starting to turn into a putrid stench and Gibbs is trying to tell us it's perfume.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:40 PM
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28. Gibbs did not help the president.
He should have been prepared to answer Ed Schultz's objections to the bill.

If it has mandatory enrollment provisions, why doesn't it also have mandatory and realistic cost-cutting provisions?

The huge elephant in the room is that, as the Obama administration knows very well, the purpose of the public option was to lower costs. Without a public option, costs will skyrocket. Democrats will be blamed, and that family in Iowa whose child has a pre-existing condition may not be able to afford much beyond the health care insurance premiums. No soccer uniform, no music lessons. The health insurance premiums will just soak up every extra cent.

A health care bill without cost controls and not just controls for Medicare and not some ridiculous limit on the percentage that can be taken in profits is of no use at all. It will just bankrupt the treasury (still more). We need reform that includes a public option.

I agree with Ed Schultz.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:16 PM
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82. +1.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:56 PM
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30. knr - look what happened to the biotech stocks when the Senate and
House committees voted for the 12 year data exclusivity provision - July '09.







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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 11:25 PM
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31. Love you ED
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bkohatlanta Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:19 AM
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34. The Press should follow Helen Thomas's lead
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 12:19 AM by bkohatlanta
Make them answer the questions and defend policy. I don't want a Bush II Presidency, which is apparently what I've been stuck with.
End Torture NOW!
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evolvingsteve Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:09 AM
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36. The fact that Ed got to hit him where it hurts at the end
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 01:14 AM by evolvingsteve
with the public option question is a very good thing.

With Gibbs agreeing to show up tomorrow it allows Gibbs to regroup tonight. I bet he's talked to President Obama by now about what to say regarding the public option.

Hopefully something good came out of that conversation where the message from the White House will be that they are going to be a lot more aggressive in trying to pass legislation for real health care reform with a public option and other very important things that the administration needs to and will accomplish!


Be a fighter President Obama, I fought hard for you in your campaign, and I wasn't the only one! It is now your turn to progressively fight for us, the American people!

and don't give us Hillary-Care which is what the present bill has been. I refuse to be forced to get health insurance and get fined, that's freakin' why I campaigned against Hillary in the primaries!!!!!
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:26 AM
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37. Wow.....Just wow. Gibbs (and hence, Obama) has no friggin' clue
what the people on main street want/need.

:banghead:

Gibbs REPEATEDLY talks about how health insurance stocks gained $4Billion Billion with a "B" in market capitalization b/c of the MA election.....

that pretty much says it all...what this administration places it's importance upon.

It sickens me beyond belief, but there it is for all to see.

Gibbs is pretty much smiling ear-to-ear when he's speaking during this interview.

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 05:59 AM
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43. +1000
This President is starting to enter into the realm of Bush as the growing # of worst presidents in history.

Very frustrating...i like how gibbs does not recall that when the Senate Bill passed that literally just forkks over 30 million new customers and nothing more the Health stocks spiked to record highs....the industry LOVES this bill....there stocks are rising because in any instance the Health industyr wins...either by keeping its current ways or by getting 30 million more customers....high premiums in any case and the democrats get the blame.
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republicansarewhores Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:37 AM
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38. I'd like to close a gap...
Between my clenched fist and this Weasel Gibbs's front teeth.

RAW
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:47 AM
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39. What a f*ck*ng bastard! Gibbs knows HCR is a gift to insurance companies
and that Obama sold out!

What a low-life, lying worm!

He needs to be a commentator on Faux Nonews.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 06:06 AM
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45. Agreed 100%. nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 05:31 AM
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42. Gibbs..what a weasel.. Mr. Smoke and Mirrors..
All this wonderful insurance reform... set to take effect in 2020.. maybe....
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 06:24 AM
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46. Insurance Companies Stocks have gone thru the roof
ever since this legislation passed the house & sentate.

Dis-Honest for Gibbs to look at it yesterday.

Maybe the GOP tilts more towards that industry then the Dem's, but this bill is good for Insurance Co's.
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:07 AM
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48. Tone deaf = Lame duck
Fucking brilliant strategy.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:26 AM
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50. + 1,000 (nt)
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:15 AM
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49. Robert Gibbs is pretty transparent in the fact that he has no idea that
most advocates for changing the delivery of health care don't agree with his opinion. Mandating insurance is not the same thing as providing affordable health care...
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 07:45 AM
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51. Keep in mind..
... Gibbs is only the salesman. He doesn't give marching orders, he follows them. He'll sell whatever product RahmbamaCo is pushing. The real problem is his bosses.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:16 AM
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59. Of course you ...
would say that TrollassholeCO..now go crawl back into your hole...
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:07 AM
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52. It's time to stop asking WTF.
We need to just accept the fact that we've been sold out. The Obama administration isn't going fight for anything that the GOP doesn't approve before hand. They don't represent us and they don't want to.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 08:58 AM
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53. Gibbs can go suck a rock
That sounded like a Hannity "let us see who can scream the loudest so we don't have to say anything". Gadz, the Dems get more like teh stupids everyday.




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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:36 AM
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54. Where is Keyboard Cat when you need it?
play Mister Gibbs off
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:52 AM
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56. Gibbs is such a fucking ass - fillibustered and talked over Ed all the time...
I'm surprised that Ed didn't get a word in edgewise...I wouldn't have been as patient...

And Gibss PROVES that Obama REFUSES to get it!!!

It's not that they just "don't" get it - it's just that they just REFUSE to even LISTEN!!!

They are convinced that THEY only are "right" and everyone else is wrong.

Well, they can go pound sand when I just stay home next time around like they did in Mass!!!

Mandates are a give away to the insurance companies that will get almost FIFTY MILLION NEW CUSTOMERS INSTANTLY!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:33 AM
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:40 AM
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63. I'll Tell You About the Fucking "Base"....
we don't fucking matter! If this shitty, cowardly performance by OBAMA and the Congressional Democrats portends the future of this Presidency this FUCKING PRESIDENT AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ARE LOSERS. Bet the fuck on it!

Ed did hit too close to home and Gibbs showed his fucking true colors --LIAR--. The message Gibbs is delivering is coming straight from the fucking WHITE HOUSE and our man BARACK.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:40 AM
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70. Frank, with ya on the sentiment and you know it.
I also don't mind using the word "fuck" from time to time and I know that can be particularly offensive, but would you mind dialing it down a notch? Just a notch, please. Others may begin ignoring you completely and I wouldn't have that. Maybe you don't care, but I do want people to see the rage many of your posts represent.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:30 PM
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73. I'll try. No promises. Thanks.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:40 PM
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74. Just testing.
I think perchance the smoke signals may indicate that the Democratic representation may be unconcerned about what you and I think. It is quite possible that the reason the Congressional Democrats shut out single payer from the outset and placed many insurance industry backed representatives in positions of power with regard to this issue is that their allegiance lies with the people who place copious amounts a dollars into their pockets.

Or... we just haven't given them enough time and this is all they could possibly accomplish with only a sixty vote majority and now with one less Senator we should really ask the Republicans what they want in the way of policy since we are ham-stringed by our tiny numbers.

Though, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, it is a curious thing the way the Bush administration seemed to accomplish so much without regard to Democrats and their exact majority votes. I'm just sayin' mind you. Again, it may well be that by the end of 2012 the Democratic leadership may come to full bloom given the strong no nonsense position they have established thus far.



FUCK FUCKITY FUCK THAT! :)

(Smiley included for medicinal purposes)

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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:33 AM
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61. Hey Gibbs,
Stop pissing on our leg and telling us it's raining.

I hate every damn one of these lying sellouts.

Fuck them all.
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:33 AM
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62. Does the WH understand just how disappointed we are?
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:41 AM
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64. They Don't FUCKIN' Care!
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boycottfaux Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:10 AM
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65. Wake Up Mr. Obama!!
WHEN ARE THEY GONNA STOP WITH THESE SENSELESS, ENDLESS TALKING
POINTS . .

Is anyone in the White House LISTENING to what Ed Schultz is
saying????

McFlightsuit never let his bubble brain worry about
partisanship!!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:18 AM
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66. He says let's not get in a room and talk about HCR, let's get a bill passed.
Like it's our fault a bill hasnt been passed.

It is not a logical conclusion that because the predatory health insurance industry is fighting this bill, that it is a good bill. They want status quo and will fight all bills.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:22 AM
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67. Good job, Mr. Schultz.
I wish there were a way for the interviewer to say, We are ONLY discussing three topics tonight: First: why is your base so angry? Second: why didn't the White House push harder for a public option? Third: How do you plan to fight for the liberal reforms you promised during your campaign and still expect bipartisanship from the right-wing, when those are two diametrically opposing goals?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:51 AM
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71. There are several lies rampant now and it seems
like there is an all out offensive on spreading propaganda. Please counter it at every opportunity, fellow DU'ers.

One lie is the President was powerless to affect legislation.

Another lie is that the Senate Finance bill was not the Obama bill.

Another lie is that 60 votes were needed in the Senate.

Another lie is that we need Republican votes.

But there are many others, that conservative Democrats would have us and the American people believe now.

“Understand that all battles are waged on an unconscious level before they are begun on the conscious one, and this battle is no different. The power structure wishes us to believe that the only options available are those which they present to us, we know this is simply not true, and therefore we must redefine the terrain of this conflict, and clearly, it is a conflict of worldviews and agendas.” Teresa Stover
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:18 PM
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72. With regard to health care stocks, if Gibbs can make shit up so can I
I can't help but find relief knowing that people who believe this will be Obama's Waterloo cannot buy stocks.

This clearly does not send a signal to Republicans that their version of Happy Days will soon return.

That Gibbs would even use the stock prices argument shows weakness and sarcasm from one who speaks for a party that holds immense power.
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:45 PM
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75. another request to please post SUMMARIES when posting a video link
for hearing impaired, for people who must use the web silently while at work or in libraries, for people with slow dial-up connections, or who just don't want to take the time to get into a video with no idea why it is that they might want to watch it.
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kdsimantel Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:04 PM
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76. For a long time I couldn't stand Ed
However as time goes on I appreciate the fact that he is loud and obnoxious and gets in the face of the opposition. I just can't believe that it is some in the Obama administration who are the opposition. It makes me cranky.
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99 Percent Sure Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:08 PM
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77. At times, Gibbs seemed troubled by certain Schulz questions. Otherwise,
as the late Godfather of Soul sang, he was "just talking loud and saying nuthin'." But there's a lot of that going around. :shrug:

Like a dull knife
just ain't cutting.
You just talking loud
and sayin' nuthin'
and sayin' nuthin'

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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 03:14 PM
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80. I can't stand glib flacks like Gibbs. Schultz was representing the people while
he was questioning him and he (Gibbs) should have answered honestly instead of throwing out the hackneyed party line.

That's the very thing that is turning people off professional politicians and their minions.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:22 PM
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83. Transcript link ...
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johnlal Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 04:46 PM
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84. Talks but does not listen...
They will continue to be surprised until they stop talking and start listening.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 06:13 PM
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86. Gibbs was overly defensive and he did filibuster, when Ed said they were out of time Gibbs couldn't
contain his smile.

No matter how hard Gibbs tries to paint this bill as positive, it's an unnecessary and overwhelming negative for the American People and the Democratic Party. The Republicans couldn't have written a better one on behalf of their corporate owners if they tried and they didn't even have to try.

Thanks for the thread, Reform.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 06:26 PM
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87. Schultz did a good job - I enjoy his TV show, not the most eloquent, but by far the most passionate
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 06:30 PM by GreenTea
liberal on TV. I prefer passion, if forced to a choice.

Ed fights daily for a strong Public Option & health care for all and a very strong advocate for workers having unions...what non republican isn't?

I watch and TIVO Ed Schultz' show on MSNBC each day...I always enjoy Ed's passion, anger and compassion, he's a fine liberal democrat, certainly not enough of them on television.
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