Rep. Pence Can't Name One Compromise He's Willing To Accept

[kpete]

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[babylonsister]

1. That could be any rethug interviewed. That's what they do. I'm glad

for their -ahem- exposure finally. :hide:

[Hamlette]

2. love this John Cole quote on Pence today

If Mike Pence really is regarded as one of the deep thinkers for the GOP, I’m beginning to understand why they refused to admit Terri Schiavo was brain-dead.

[NavyMom]

3. Yeah, that quote was a thing of beauty...nt

[aquart]

4. Oh, that is treasure.

[bjobotts]

5. Still calls it a "government takeover of HC" and wonders why their obstructionism and delay game is

shut out. They have rejected any HC reform. He says "incremental steps" which is repub speak for gives us time to kill reform. When they controlled the house they didn't even allow offices for mtgs for dems. Pence is another lying hypocrite...mad because he doesn't have control. All politics with unworkable ideas just to mislead and confuse the public.. Unserious is too polite. Like saying " the men who kill horses are angry because they weren't allowed on the mustang round up". Everything they say and claim are lies. They only care about power.

[immoderate]

6. Good analysis.

--imm

[Think82]

7. Pence is among the best at defending absurd GOP positions

Say what you will, he's very good at obfuscating and dodging reality. I think the DCCC and DNCneeds to find some rising star to take him on in his district.

Pence is horrible.

[Juche]

8. Good luck

I live in Pence's district (Indiana's 6th). I don't think he will be voted out anytime soon. His competitor (Barry Welsh) usually only gets 40% of the vote or so.

I am pretty moderate by DU standards when it comes to my progressivism and liberalism (I am more pragmatic than ideological in my liberalism and will fundamentally support whatever works, but prefer the liberal solutions when given a choice). But the conservatives here are insane. For them it is more of a religion than a political belief system. In many other parts of the US I'd be considered normal or moderately liberal. Here I am considered 'crazy' because I don't blindly support factually incorrect GOP dogma w/o question.

Here: Blind, irrational dogmatic faith in disproven GOP nonsense = acceptable. Pragmatic liberalism = crazy.

I don't see Pence losing. Pence, sadly, is a moderate compared to some of the republicans who live here. I've met Pence. He is polite and respectful, and honestly, he appears more open minded than some/many of his constituents.

[Enthusiast]

9. I've always wondered just how it was

that Indiana got so messed up. I figured it was caused by religious zeal. I mean, how else do they end up with someone like Dan Quayle?

[rasputin1952]

10. However...he's boxed himself in w/little to no wiggle-room...

that will not bode well for the GOP across the nation, as they followed suit.

I'm here in NE, and some people avoid me like the plague because I'm a D...and a proud Liberal D at that. For every argument they come up with, I have an opposing POV based on reality and steeped in recent GOP history as to how they sold this nation out. What appears odd to me, is that those who don't "pass" the GOP purity test, (read rabid idiots), actually listen and I can see in their faces that they realize the GOP has sold them out time and again.

Now we may feel the same way about the D's from time to time, but now that PO is showing some serious leadership, things might just change...:D

[Juche]

11. What arguments do you use

I find it hard to debate the wingnuts, because it never goes anywhere.

But for all their talk of national sovereignty, the right wing supreme court just allowed foreign corporations to influence our elections with the recent decision. All 4 right wing justices supported that decision.

And now Saudi Arabia is lobbying to get the US to abandon our energy independence initiatives, since it'll cost them oil revenue and political clout. I'm sure they'll put tons of money into ads designed to discourage Americans from pursuing energy independence.

So due to right wing ideology, the Saudi Arabians (where 15/19 hijackers came from) now have the ability to cement their financial and political control over us.

I want to bring that fact up with the wingnuts, but figure it'd just go over their heads.

But what facts or debates do you bring up with them? The collapse of the middle class? The way corporate america structures health care to make it as unreliable as possible? Bringing up Palin's lack of qualifications?

My older brother is fairly conservative, but even he knows Palin is dangerously unqualified and that our health care system is a mess. But he (conservatives who aren't run strictly by dogma) are a dying breed from what I can tell.

[rasputin1952]

12. It all depends on where the conversation is headed...

Most of the time, say 90%, it is about economic problems.

When I hear about the deficit, I ask about the wars bush got us into, and mention the cost of both of them and how they busted the Treasury. The Rx drug bill is another boondoggle the R's got us into...why can't we negotiate drug prices?

Eventually, virtually all of the conversations come down to boilerplate meme's about "Welfare" abuse, MediCare abuses and the like. I'm in Nebraska, and whern farmers talk about "Welfare abuse, I quietly ask them if they returned their "125,000" checks to the government because they let their fields go fallow for a season...after all, isn't this a "no work, no pay" system they are talking about, and if a woman w/2 kids is going to be "forced" off the system for the whole $3000 a year she gets, they should sacrifice as well. MediCare is along the same line, virtually everyone who is complaining about HCR in these parts, is a beneficiary of SS and Medicare...I simply state that if they want "socialized" healthcare to be abolished, we should start with the biggest one of all...Medicare, take away that benefit from them...I state, "No Social Programs at all"...Social Security should go as well, if they want help, they should go to "faith based" charities.

The key is to get them to see how it would affect them...it all comes down to "me" w/these people...as long as they benefit, it's good...but to hell w/everyone else...:hi:

edit...dumb typos...:blush:

[Juche]

13. it all comes down to "me" w/these people...to hell w/everyone else

Yeah, I've seen this a lot.

My brother and his wife rail against welfare, but support medicare for all since they have 2 kids and realize health care isn't very reliable in the private market.

And my parents never complained when I was getting government grants for school since it saved them money.

As long as 'those people' are the lazy welfare cheats its ok to brutalize them. But once it is them getting the assistance, it isn't even welfare anymore. It is just fairness.

What is surprising is how many people think that way.

[rasputin1952]

14. When I took a Marketing Class...the whole thing came down to...

"what can you do/say/show a person, that they will benefit. "They" being a group, (hopefully large), that see everything as an individual personal gain, with little regard to others."

Basically, we are all selfish to varying degrees...rare is the man/woman that thinks of other's interests first. So when you make your side of the equation to one that shows personal gain for the "target", basically you've won them over, and they never even realize it...:hi: