TYT: Obama Disses Single-Payer Healthcare Systems

[The Northerner]

Run time: 05:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtUYFROnzrg   Posted on YouTube: March 04, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 2216   Posted on DU: March 04, 2010 By DU Member: The Northerner Views on DU: 1050

 

[Triana]

1. "status quo is not working for Americans" - says the caption

and likely said Obama. But then he disses single-payer healthcare.

DOES HE NOT GRASP the ignorance and irony of that?

[MarjorieG]

2. Single-payer off table before Obama got to DC, by SP champions realization wasn't happening. Not in

this economy, and fear-mongering so entrenched. Why do SP, and myself one, keep bashing Obama for something that wasn't going to happen, and with difficulty getting even Medicate at 55 (which I hope is a dual track amendment with PO.)

Our media's job, like Cenk, is to bash, but who is left to talk big picture, when MSM has been anti-O since the start. Let the Dems inherit this mess, blame them, and GOP take power back ASAP.

[ihavenobias]

4. I'm glad you wrote this, gives me a chance to respond to it.

First off, any good negotiator (ranging from a haggler at a flea market up to and including the president of a country) knows that you NEVER make your first offer the one you hope to end up with in the end. In this case the first offer was a public option which was an enormous mistake.

If you know you want to sell your house for $200k you'd be insane to list it for 200k. You would, obviously, list it for more knowing full well you would engage in some back and forth with the buyer. As for the economy and the fear mongering, the right wing media reacted as IF Obama and the Dems HAD proposed not only a single payer system, but also a complete government takeover of the doctors, hospitals and medical equipment, i.e. actual "socialized medicine".

So in the end the approach of NOT starting with single payer (knowing it would obviously be negotiated down to a strong public option/medicare buy-in) was an enormous loss on a political and policy front. Because again, all of the rhetoric and fear mongering (death panels, communism, marxism, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Marx, rationing and on and on) was used anyway from the right (some parroted by the MSM) and policy-wise we're not even arguing for half a loaf, we're arguing over crumbs and gifts to corporations.

[Wetzelbill]

9. exactly right

This was the case with the stimulus too. Conceded all the tax cuts he knew the GOP wanted from the beginning and made the stimulus at least half of what it should have been to appease the Right, and that was before anybody even got to the table. From there, what did they want? More tax cuts and to cut the size of the bill. He did that. Did it a little more. Tinkered with it some more. And what did he get? A severely watered down bill that got three Republican votes in all of Congress and the GOP has been campaigning on it ever since. Health care is no different. He's still caving to them and they are promising not to vote for it and already talking about campaigning on repealing it. I like Obama, but he's a poor negotiator because he gives up the farm before negotiations even start and he continues to give and give and give and get nothing in return but a slap in the face.

[Tutankhamun]

12. It's not Obama's negotiating skills that are at fault; it's his sincerity that's the problem.

He sold out to the insurance megaindustry (Yes, I invented a word there). He's now just another corporatist president, selling our future out as the conservative M$M/GOP ready themselves for another disastrous takeover. "Liberal fascist socialist Nazi Democrats destroyed our country," goes the refrain.

"Let's be bipartisan, prettyplease," squawks our Obama.

[Enthusiast]

13. You are absolutely correct.

But clearly this was no rookie mistake. This was part of the plan all along-to weaken the legislation so as not to harm the insurance industry too much.

So, they get a windfall and we get the pre-existing conditions and the cap, crumbs as you put it. Why do I characterize the pre-existing conditions provision as crumbs? Because no supposed democracy would allow its citizens to put up with this status quo where you are punished for getting sick.

They aren't "giving" us a fucking thing. If the American people lived in a true representative democracy we would have single payer tomorrow. Think about it.

[SlingBlade]

3. Single Payer for All !

Single Payer for All !

Call, Write, Fax and E-mail OUR Representatives
Now, Today and tomorrow and everyday that remains
Tell them that we demand Single Payer NOW, Not ten years from now.

Contact the White House
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

Call the White House
[phone]

Call, Write, Fax and E-mail your Representatives, House and Senate
http://www.contactingthecongress.org /

K & R

[pleah]

5. K AND R!

[Amonester]

6. It took a year for the "Yes We Can" slogan to become...

the "No We Can't" lie.

[jgraz]

7. Looks like HOPE and CHANGE is "neither practical nor realistic"

The long con continues...

[Enrique]

8. that 'govt. bureaucrat' talking point really pissed me off

next he'll be talking about "death panels". :mad:

If we ever get single payer, we will have to dismantle all of Obama's rhetoric first. Single payer advocates will have to say Obama's approach failed and we have to do it right this time.

[slipslidingaway]

15. So true and this is something that has been overlooked this past year...

"we will have to dismantle all of Obama's rhetoric first"

Not just Obama's rhetoric, the Dems have given anyone against a not for profit system a full year to misrepresent what a SP system actually is ... nice.

:(

[libodem]

10. Frame the debate

The other side is so noisy with talking point lies that everyone is distracted by utter bullshit misinformation. If you throw enough mud against the fence some of it is bound to stick.
Wall Street plus Madison Avenue equals being sold down the river for profits. Fuck the people. Let 'em die or be miserable enough to kill themselves. But keep that fucking stupid Stupac abortion language in place to make sure 17,000 extra unwanted babies are born in this rotten economy to be murdered through child abuse every year in this country.

Yeah, I said 17,000 kids killed by child abuse a year, heard that on NPR. The powerful are just worried there won't be enough black babies born every year to go in to the prison system and the military for profit fodder. For God's sake we don't want to educate them or give them health care but they can work for cheap labor. The reason I'm mentioning 'black' is because some are trying to use the term genocide related to statistics of the unborn. FUCK THAT.

Yeah, fuck it!!!

[20score]

11. A big K&R

[slipslidingaway]

14. knr - that has been happening for quite awhile ...

starting at the WH summit and up to the present and the AMA speech also mis-characterized Medicare for All as government RUN health care.

:mad:

Obama: "Got the little single-payer advocates up here."

http://www.correntewire.com/obama_got_little_single_payer_advocates_here

Thu, 05/14/2009

" Nice attitude, huh?

"Got the little torturers up here"? Nope.

"Got the little banksters up here"? Nope.

But just do what any citizen should be able to do and applaud for single payer, and the President who ought to be on your side -- and would be, if his policies were science-based -- diminishes you. Here's the whole thing:

..."

[Mithreal]

16. And right in the middle, the public option, but as your President,

I make no apology for being right of center.

Obama talks like Progressives are fools, and as foolish as those on the hard right. How is it that anyone even tries to defend him on this on what is supposed to be a Progressive site? I would really like to know. Are some of you all self-haters? Maybe Rahm needs to call us F'ing retards again.

Listen to the President. How many times do you all want to hear him give us the smackdown? It's way past my bedtime, but that is my honest take. He is creating the division, not us.