Breaking News: FBI Raids Michigan Militia

[Joanne98]

Run time: 02:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYyViHExL1c   Posted on YouTube: March 28, 2010 By YouTube Member: WatchmenResistance Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: March 28, 2010 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 12999

 

[Bullet1987]

1. GET'M!!!

[A Physicist]

22. Charges?

I’m waiting to hear what information the government used to get the warrants, what the warrants say, what evidence has been gathered, and what are the charges.

I can remember when liberals almost always gave people on the receiving end of law enforcement action the benefit of the doubt in the early stages, questioned and carefully examined the government’s claims; not anymore from what I’m reading here. Remember those kids in Minneapolis during the RNC convention in 2008? Government said they were terrorists and charged them under a state terrorist statute. Remember how the government took ordinary green lifestyle choices (kids saved dishwater, pissed in jars, or something like that) and the government claimed these materials were going to be used as assault fluids? Remember that, anybody? These kids were guilty of opposing the GOP and planned on letting the GOP know that, that was their “crime”.

After I have gone through the above analysis and concluded there is a high probability these people were up to something illegal and nefarious I will gladly post derogatory comments directed toward them.

[hlthe2b]

33. You refer back to tactics from 8 years of Rethugs to assume

that these raids are without basis (under a Democratic administration?) Right... It was hardly progressive policies that targeted the RNC-demonstators.

[A Physicist]

47. Read the post again

I did not state “that these raids are without basis”. What I thought was clearly indicated is that I do not know what the basis is and am awaiting further information before reaching any conclusions.
Should I just drop that policy and proceed to the assumption of guilt like a good republican would do?

Additionally, in case it was not obvious, I was siding with kids in Minneapolis against the excesses of, what I perceived, to be GOP controlled and coordinated government action.

[hlthe2b]

50. You conflated the out of control thuggish tactics of the Bush*

years with what is going on now, with no facts and it is that with which I took issue. I do agree with you that we need to wait on said facts.

[Deep13]

58. The presumption of innocence is a procedural rule for the jury.

I have no duty to pretend that this obviously seditious organization is somehow innocent.

[A Physicist]

67. Then I will restate:

innocent-ish till proven guilty-ish

[Deep13]

82. No, it's innocent until proven guilty by proof beyond reasonable doubt.

But again, you are talking courtroom proceedure. Am I supposed to pretend that O.J. Simpson is actually innocent of murder despite the conclusive evidence? Am I suppose to forget that Oliver North sold weapons to the enemy and then lied his ass off about it to Congress just because he was reversed on a technicality? Well, in any event, I still think those guys are quilty regardless of whatever I am "supposed" to think and I'm not going to lie about that. Likewise, I subjectively believe that these so-called militia men are seditious regardless of what I am "supposed" to think.

[samsingh]

113. militias - guiltyish

[DallasNE]

99. Wait And See Is Best For Now

It was the Michigan militia that Timothy McVeigh palled around with before picking on Oklahoma City for his dirty deed so there is some background involement with this group.

[peacetalksforall]

112. What happened in St. Paul was despicable - and it was all supported by the

Mayor of Minneapolis who is a Democrat. There seemed to be a deliberate attempt to frame protest in everyway possible to make it look severe - as if the Republicans were suffering. The police and all security were all pumped up - they pumped themselve up.

Google what they did to registered, licensed media people on the Democratic side, especially Amy Goodman and her staff.

The entire convention was orchestrated to present fear and hate for Democrats.

You are right to side against the excesses. The RNC and everyone else got away with an ocean full of propaganda.

[Scruffy1]

115. It was pure intimidation and Rybak was with it.

This tool wants to be my next governor. He even authorized excessive force.

[cui bono]

74. You have completely misunderstood the post to which you replied.

S/he didn't say the raids are without basis, just that until the facts are fully known s/he will not pile on here.

Odd how that doesn't matter anymore on DU. Facts schmacts. Who cares anymore? Just pile on anyone we think we disagree with and cheer when the Feds raid them. Yay!

[szatmar666]

45. LOL! Amy Goodman & the Michigan Militia?! that's RICH!

almost the same... http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/2/amy_goodman_two_democracy_now_producers"> Peaceful journalists vs. the http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps3578/www.fbi.gov/library/megiddo/megiddo.pdf">Michigan Militia talking about sedition and armed insurrection are all just freedom loving citizens under the boots of big bad government ;)))

This is like saying that the teabaggers spitting on Rep. John Lewis' picture were somehow the same as the anti segregation marchers who had dogs and cops sent on them and beaten to a bloody pulp, among them John Lewis himself.
Right wingers would be funny if your delusions were not so disgusting. I'd say this FBI raid IS A GOOD START!

[A Physicist]

64. Not referring to Amy Goodman

I was not referring to Amy Goodman and the demonstrators I was referring to the RNC8:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNC_8

Regarding Amy Goodman and the street demonstrators, my assumption then is Amy was clearly mistreated and had broken no law and the police were very heavy handed against the demonstrators and arrested many that had broken no law. Now that the facts have come in, my original (innocent-ish till proven guilty-ish) assumptions have been validated.

What are the charges against these militia nuts? Why assume they are guilty of something? Is it because a progressively controlled executive branch is in power? The FBI and most law enforcement organizations have their own internal culture that does not shift with administrations.

If experience has taught us anything it is that law enforcement inherently leans to the right. Remember Gates in Boston/Cambridge (Liberal-Topia)? Cop said, come out here on the porch and talk to me. That’s because no arrest could occur until the cop got Gates to sound off while in the “public space”. That cop might live in Liberal-Topia but he ain’t no liberal. Remember another cop in the area sent out a jungle-bunny email and got fired? He lives here too and he ain’t no liberal either. Cops are right-wingers, cops love to exercise their authority and they love to act out the “bad boys, bad boys, what ya gonna do when they come for you” thing. The landslide election of Obama did not change this dynamic.

What motivates the rush to judgment of guilt? Is it because the Militia groups stand for everything we oppose and that is enough to establish guilt? Why abandon our commitment to withhold judgment until the facts are known? Why abandon principled positions of American jurisprudence?

Sign me,

Card Carrying Life Member, ACLU

[szatmar666]

110. on a second thought, you are right

perhaps I rushed to judgment, I am too a lifetime member.

[samsingh]

114. militia groups are thugish

they would crumble like crybabies in a real war. let them go fight in Iraq and see what a real battle looks like.

these militias feel powerful shooting at animals and mouthing off against President Obama who's trying to get them health coverage and saving the world economy from the disaster caused by their great bush.

[Raksha]

52. You're goddamn right I remember...

Re "Remember those kids in Minneapolis during the RNC convention in 2008? Government said they were terrorists and charged them under a state terrorist statute. Remember how the government took ordinary green lifestyle choices (kids saved dishwater, pissed in jars, or something like that) and the government claimed these materials were going to be used as assault fluids? Remember that, anybody? These kids were guilty of opposing the GOP and planned on letting the GOP know that, that was their “crime”."

And you want to know WHY I remember? Because my daughter and her fiance were two of those "kids." He was almost killed when the cops tasered him multiple times to his leg for allegedly "resisting arrest." Here's a link to my daughter's most recent blog post that deals with the aftermath of the incident:
Wild Serenity: Live From Minneapolis...


Be sure and watch the video linked at the beginning of the blog post. Then you can get back to me and explain how you DARE to make that comparison!!! I'm sure the FBI had plenty of evidence before the raid, and I'm sure they followed procedures. After all, it's not like these militia types are LIBERALS!

[szatmar666]

61. those cops are sure "brave patriots" ;)

I protested on Dec 16-17th 1989 against the communists in the city of Timisoara as a freshmen college student. Securitate officers had that expression on their face. They hated our guts, they went way beyond orders to beat up people and shoot on site. In early Jan 1990 they discovered the cemetery where these police officers tied down prisoners and tortured them to death...for fun. this cancer has to be dealt with ASAP, because this is the really scary stuff: law enforcement that has a grudge against citizens. The teabaggers and the michigan militia are small potatoes compared to these out of control anti american cops. btw: you should put that video on youtube, they are selling real estate on the back of your daughter's suffering.

[cui bono]

73. Wow! S/he is NOT making the comparison you think s/he is.

S/he is simply stating that until s/he sees evidence s/he will not presume them guilty. S/he brought up the RNC8 to show what happens when there is no due process of law.

The poster arguing with him/her probably added to your confusion, but I think you can rest assured there was NO insult or bad comparison posted in regards to your daughter or the rest of the RNC8.


edit to add:
So you really trust the FBI implicitly? What if they raided the ACLU, Planned Parenthood or just pick your own liberal organization/group/person? What would your reaction be to that? Would you still say the same thing?

[MrMickeysMom]

62. So, you want due process, then, I'm guessing...

Nothing wrong with that, eh? By the way, welcome to DU.

The news of what kids were doing during the RNC was limited in my neck of the woods and I wasn't remembering what you stated. The first thing I thought of when seeing Joanne98's video post was - hmmm.... WACO, TX?

You never can tell when it comes to militia groups, or cults such as Jones, or Waco, TX. I agree, all are entitled to "due process". I am one person who happens to think the police state at the RNC and WACO did not follow due process.

[Cleita]

69. You don't know much about these groups do you?

They are pretty much outside the law in everything and support themselves by criminal acts of robbery and burglary. Their sentiments are racist and anti-American. They treat their women like door mats so badly that they make the polygamists look good. If you don't believe me go to the crimes rap sheets in any newspaper in the northwest. Much of the crimes can be traced back to these militia compounds.

[SkyDaddy7]

92. I know what you are saying!

Sometimes folks around here will simply jump on someone if they do not have 1000+ post.

...I know, I dealt with it as well! Just ignore those who seem to be taking that approach.

Welcome to DU!! :toast: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[VPStoltz]

111. Maybe you get yourself a pass to use a warrantless wiretap.

[Pab Sungenis]

118. Welcome to DU

and possibly "goodbye from DU."

Hint, if you want to troll, don't go on about how nasty those liberals are. It's kind of a dead giveaway.

[A Physicist]

128. Charges filed

and boy oh boy are they serious:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fbi_raids

See, all you had to do was wait until Monday.

[vaberella]

2. Glad the FBI id on top of this. n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Kind of a mindfuck for an old woods hippie

to see the FBI picking on the right people for once.

[RKP5637]

14. +1, n/t

[BEZERKO]

20. Your comment made me chuckle.

Best one I've read today. I think you're a little older than me, I'm 50.

[gtar100]

57. hahaha - no kidding

have to keep wondering where the catch is.

[Enthusiast]

79. Well, can you imagine

how the number of credible threats and incidents have ramped up since they enacted HCR? It was bad enough since the Obama election, then the economy and other factors, not to mention a constant stream of misinformation.

The FBI has to take this shit serious or they will end up with a major incident on their hands. They might anyway. Remember Oklahoma City.

[tsuki]

4. Watching the cable media. No news on this story. It's Teabaggers and

health care, yesterday's stories, 24/7. What a loser media we have.

[RKP5637]

11. This country's cable media = LOL. I was looking at it this morning here

thinking what a waste cable media is... I didn't know anything about this 'till I saw it here. All the media here does is air the same crap over and over. One outlet gets a story and the others echo it... then another gets a new story and the others echo it, often incorrectly saying opposite things...

[mwb970]

40. I could only find one (brief) non-local story about the raids online.

It was here, of all places:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28/arrests-alleged-militia-activity-midwest/

The local coverage at this point is only slightly more complete due to an apparent lack of actual information to report. A typical item:

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100328/NEWS02/100329720

It will take a while for this to percolate to MSM level, but it will get there eventually IMO.

[Enthusiast]

80. Loser media is right! nt

[yankeepants]

5. Who is Midniterider 2001?

And did anyone else catch the crawl line at the very end of the video referring to Malitiaradio.com? What is that all about? Anyone?

[Frustratedlady]

7. Go look at it. There is a huge list of militia groups and all kinds of info.

Must have been a warning system of some kind. It took a while to get in, so I imagine the FBI is monitoring and probably tracing my info. Ack!

There was a long piece about the world/China. I just read one sentence about..."you look at a world map and it isn't countries, it's farms" -- or some such. With all the links to the side of what I imagined were militia groups and some of the photos, I decided I'd better get out of there fast.

The main posts seemed to be from one group that had a coiled snake as its symbol.

[Joanne98]

12. Don't click on that miltia radio link. I just did and my computer went nuts.

I had to run my security software.

[yankeepants]

15. I was afraid of all that

A big relief to know that these groups are being monitored before they act out.

[MrMickeysMom]

63. Thanks... I was just about to do that...

Even though my Macintosh seems to be pretty tight with stuff like that.

Maybe I should just tune in to Alex Jones! :P

[dballance]

6. Queue the Talking Heads and RW Pundits

They'll be complaining that this is just the start of Obama taking away their guns and right to associate. It won't matter if the FBI had solid intelligence of an imminent attack. We'll never hear that on FAUX.

[dotymed]

10. Next,

The FBI needs to serve cease and desist papers on the hate mongers like rush, savage and most faux "news" babbling heads. Including Ailes. The militia may have been the tool but the others are giving the orders. I too, am an old hippie and very protective of civil rights, but these assholes are fomenting revolution and no matter how wealthy, they should be prosecuted. That is not looking backwards, it is looking at present and future... Boehner and the other idiot rethugs who scream their hatred in Congress should be included.

[RKP5637]

13. Absolutely true... there are a lot of profiteering hate mongers with loud

megaphones 7x24. I think many of them have crossed the line into inciting riots, etc. I believe in free speech, but the hatred IMO that some of them are spewing has gone far beyond free speech into undermining the country. And much of the crap they spew is misinformation, distortion and lies. In the sixties we tried to get truthful information out about what was going on, but these RW thugs are all about hatred and lies... truth and facts matter little to them and the monopolized RW media backing them.

[pundaint]

23. Haven't we learned about extralegal solutions to our security issues from the previous admin?

We like the rule of law, it just needs to be applied at both ends of the social continuum.

[safeinOhio]

8. Strange

raids in Lenawee, but all we see are Wastenaw Sheriffs' Dept, no Lenawee. That Dept has had a lot of trouble within. Wouldn't doubt some deputies are involved with militia.
:popcorn:

[RollWithIt]

9. They appear to have learned from their mistakes....

Nighttime raids. Good coordination with local law enforcement.

[Botany]

16. Ohio Whack Job ...... Ohio Militia

"We Have Closed Our Ranks, When The Time Is Right The Worthy
My Fight Beside Us And The Cowards May Fall To The Wayside."

Male
27 years old
SANDUSKY, Ohio
United States

http://www.myspace.com/ohiomilitia

Well, tough guy looks like the FBI and the Sheriff's dept. showed up at your house
at oh - dark - thirty and arrested your ass .... or your friend's ass and there wasn't
squat you could do about it. Even w/ all your training :rofl:

@ 27 if you wanted to go and really fight the army, the marines, and the navy seals
are still hiring ..... but i really doubt you would make it any of those outfits .... my friend
was a Navy Seal ..... they drop you in the Pacific about 3 miles off the coast of California
and you get to swim to shore and then start your p.t. .


BTW posting threats on your home page .... real smart

[Barack_America]

30. Heh.

That was awesome.

[MrMickeysMom]

65. Look at this shit-

Regarding #3, where the hell were you under the past 8 years of the Chimp, buster?

[jmondine]

88. "A government that is not not working for the citizens"!?

Typo or Freudian slip? You be the judge.

[caveat_imperator]

101. I noticed that, too.

And I'm sure the word 'citizen' has a very narrow definition when these militia types use it.

[gorfle]

124. TYPO IN THEIR OWN "DOCTRINE".

Bullet point #2 has "not" repeated twice.

Pretty bad when your founding documents contain such obvious errors.

This group sounds like paranoia wrapped in nationalism.

[NecklyTyler]

17. I like it when right wingers get introduced to the rule of law

[NecklyTyler]

18. k&r

[doc03]

19. They arrested a nutcase in my area of Ohio Friday

I wonder if these could be connected? I haven't seen any further news on the guy they arrested here, they seem to be keeping it under wraps.
http://www.timesleaderonline.com/page/content.detail/id/516982.html

[Barack_America]

31. Glad they got that terrorist before he could hurt anybody. nt

[MrMickeysMom]

105. I don't know, but... Uh-oh-

The perp has three names! :scared:

[Lahure]

21. VERY VERY SCARY!!

Too much Polarized Country!! :(

[MrMickeysMom]

106. You might think so, but perhaps not so much poalarized as...

... desperate people loosing power attempting TO polarize further.

Think Sarah Palin using cross-hairs on her internet page to "target" the areas their side is supposed to take back. It's the kind of desperation a looser posing as a politician would use to polarize further.

Welcome to DU!

[olegramps]

24. Fear about uprising by the Freepers is overblown.

I believe that any of these nitwit groups that pose a credible threat have been infiltrated. These are not the brightest bulbs in the pack. Actually they attract minimally intelligent people just like the KKK. Years of inbreeding has left these people seriously flawed.

[pundaint]

29. The last administration were the one's specializing at under-estimating threats.

[aka-chmeee]

34. Shouldn't that be MIS-underestimating? nt

[Enthusiast]

84. Yeah, huff some paint

with one of them and they'll trust you for life.

[MrMickeysMom]

107. I'm with you on that one, olegramps

Most of them are pretty brave among themselves... then it's time to go home and try to be like everybody else. It must frustrate some of them into delusions of grandeur.

[Name removed]

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[Krashkopf]

26. These Freepers now are learning why they SHOULD HAVE been . . .

protesting when "W" was shredding the Constitution.

Irony abounds.

[socialist_n_TN]

27. Well, even with these nut jobs......................

I HOPE the DOJ and the FBI has their ducks in a row and not just picking people up on random suspicion. I'd HATE to have to advocate FOR these dildos. So, lets hope the Feds have it together with their legal justifications.

[hlthe2b]

35. socialist_n_TN?

umm, ok.

[socialist_n_TN]

44. Is there a problem?..............

Am I not allowed to be a socialist in Tennessee?

[hlthe2b]

49. Certainly you are..

However, when you bend over backwards in your early posts to play devil's advocate to these extremists--especially with a screen name so obvious, it does raise suspicion. I certainly welcome you to DU, if you are as you suggest, a Democrat, a liberal, progressive, thinking independent (or socialist).

[socialist_n_TN]

53. How many of my posts have you read?................

Ideologically, I'm a small "s" socialist, but politically I'm a pragmatist. A socialist government (or even a REAL progressive government) won't happen overnight. ESPECIALLY with a centrist as President.

If you are just referring to this first post ON THIS SUBJECT, then I'll forgive any snap judgment. I DO hope that the DoJ and FBI have their ducks in a row because if they DON'T, then I would have to call them on it which I would be LOATHE to do with this group of inbred idiots. I'm old fashioned that way. I think the government with it's IMMENSE power, needs checks on it. If the ReichWing gets political power back, I would want checks on them too.

I'm pretty confident in Eric Holder, so I don't think I have any cause for concern, but I DO think it's worth mentioning. Thanks for the welcome.

[hlthe2b]

54. Agreed...

and yes, it was a snap judgement. :toast: to welcome you.

[socialist_n_TN]

56. Thanks and I hope to ...................

enjoy many discussions on here with like minded folks. I've been lurking for a while and thought I'd finally jump in.

[MrMickeysMom]

108. By all means!

Glad to see you jump in, for one.

:hi:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

28. Phew it's about time, but it's incorrect to refer to them as militias...

Militias were designed to help the government not the reverse. They are undoubtedly domestic terrorists or at the very least agitators. Round them up thorow away th key let's get back to repairing the world, we can't live as they wis like cavemen, it's not where most of the world is.

[gorfle]

125. But only in coopoeration.

Militias were designed to help the government not the reverse.

Militias were set up as decentralized military forces so that they could and would only help the federal government over issues that were of common interest enough to get them to act in concert. Their first loyalty was assumed to be to their respective states.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

130. Nonetheless, they were not created in opposition to the government, I know that much...

These folks are a criminal syndicate, if I call them militia is to give them some kind of legitamcy and I just don't want to do that.

[gorfle]

131. They were created to be ABLE to oppose the government

The militias were created as a decentralized military force that would eliminate the need for a federal standing army, or at least be able to counter it should it turn tyrannical.

But I agree with you about these nutcases. They are an American Taliban.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

132. To me they're no form of army they've no military training, to me they're just criminals with

an inflated sense of self. As you said they would only oppose the government if it became tyrannical, it's nowhere near tyranical, could operate more reponsively, but that's not tyranny. The only tyranny seems to be coming from these people themselves. Yeah, knowing these folks they will call their verdict tyranny, but they faced a jury of fellow citizens and based on the evidence found them to be criminals and I'm guessing evidence probably didn't convince them they were a militia.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

32. You can rest assured there will be a herd of Teabaggers out screaming about this

"oooo! He rammed through healthcare, now Obama's coming for our guns!"

[hlthe2b]

36. What the hell is he holding?

[WhoIsNumberNone]

38. Not sure

Looks like some sort of modern day anti tank rifle.

Either that or some sort of super-high powered sniper rifle.

[Ikonoklast]

70. Solothurn S-18/1000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solothurn_S-18/1000

Yes, you can purchase one.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

86. No it's not.

Those pix on Wikipedia don't look anything like this monstrosity. I did a little checking around though- to fianlly put the question to rest- it is an anti tank rifle. It's a Lahti 20mm semi-automatic anti-tank rifle made by the Finns and used during WWII

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahti_L-39

[Ikonoklast]

91. Oops, wrong 20mm.

I didn't even look at the pics in the Wiki link, just couldn't remember which one I saw for sale in the Shotgun News.

It was the Solothurn.

[James48]

97. At 118 pounds-

it would be rather difficult to maneuver with.

I guess doing a bounding overwatch with it would be kind of hard, don't you think?

[geckosfeet]

46. Looks like a .50 caliber. He gonna mount it on the back of his swamp boat.

[hlthe2b]

51. Are those legal? What would be the justification for having one?

[geckosfeet]

78. Don't know. Ownership laws vary widely by state.

[Enthusiast]

85. The right to bear BIG arms. nt

[WhoIsNumberNone]

87. It's an antique

I did a little research to put the debate to rest. It's a WWII vintage Finnish anti-tank rifle.

20mm semi-automatic, firing armor-piercing rounds; The ultimate redneck penis extender. No wonder he looks so proud.

[gorfle]

126. Almost certainly.

Are those legal? What would be the justification for having one?

High power, high-caliber rifles are almost certainly legal to own, provided they are not fully-automatic, which rifles like this seldom are.

They are usually used for long-range target shooting.

They are never used in crime, due to their expense ($5000+) and poor portability and concealability. The ammunition is also very expensive at around $2 a shot.

[earcandle]

37. Hey Joe, where you going with that BIG gun in your hand?

IS that practical? 

[Martunez]

48. Now that the Hummer has been discontinued

militia membership appears to be the best way to identify members of the "my dick is too small" club.

[Divine Discontent]

89. ah, the famous gun for men who happen to be ashamed of their small penises. I think it's called the

"Iona Tiny-1"

[gorfle]

127. The "small penis" canard.

Many firearm enthusiasts are women. Please stop with the stereotyping.

[Divine Discontent]

133. the shoe fits him perfectly. and it's a picture of a man, so the mocking is appropriately directed.

not one iota of commentary was directed about women gun owners.

more power to ya for liking guns, they're awesome, like Sarah herself.

[gorfle]

134. How do you know?

the shoe fits him perfectly.

How do you know? Do you know this man? Have you seen his penis? And how does this explain that you said "men", implying that any man who owns such a firearm has a small penis?

and it's a picture of a man, so the mocking is appropriately directed not one iota of commentary was directed about women gun owners.

My point is that it makes no sense to say that firearm ownership is related to compensating for small penises when there are many women firearm owners.

more power to ya for liking guns, they're awesome, like Sarah herself.

What are you talking about here? Is this a Biblical reference or something? I'm not into the whole religion thing.

[Crowman1979]

96. Firing a weapon like that, no matter how big you are. Will be like having a horse kick you...

...right in the collar bone.

[juxtaposed]

39. I think this is group they targeted

http://www.youtube.com/user/hutaree

and the rifle above looks like a 20mm

[AzNick]

117. The comments are fun to read

[Robbie88]

41. According to Fox News:

Seven people have been arrested for allegedly selling pipe bombs in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana, Fox News has learned.

The arrests and raids in Michigan and Indianapolis are related to alleged militia activity in the region, but are not related to international terrorism. There is not a current threat to the public, according to a law enforcement source.

An official for the FBI's Michigan bureau said initial court appearances are expected in Michigan on Monday.

http://us.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23848&external=226440.proteus.fma

[thereismore]

66. What court appearances? Military tribunals for terrorists, no? nt

[juxtaposed]

42. and here's their web site

http://www.hutaree.com/

[defendandprotect]

43. Let's see . . . Flint, Michigan should be somewhere in their consciousness . . . but rather...

it is guns which take their attention?

[Joanne98]

55. Here's some posts from their forum.......They're "Christians" of course

http://www.hutaree.com/forum/read.php?12,75

Where are the Militias? Posted by: Mike ()
Date: January 09, 2009 05:43PM


A prophet isn't welcomed in his own country. I live in Virginia, I can't find a local militia. I have a hand gun, which amounts to a water pistol if SHTF really.

I've done a about as much as I can to prepare for myself and my wife on my own, but we need to find like minded people who can teach and train us in our area or start something here with someone who can give us some knowledge. Time is running out.

No one around me listens when I try to explain God's truth. They are all stuck believing in the great lie.


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: q-ball ()
Date: January 10, 2009 01:02PM


ok i am slightly confused here...what do you mean by "A prophet isn't welcomed in his own country"?


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: SC3M ()
Date: January 15, 2009 05:50PM


Not trolling...just stopped by to check out the brothers chat room.
If you can't find an existing group to join, start your own. Lots of info on the web to help you out. I am sure this goes with out saying....but, pray for guidance and God will lead.
G2


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: camobattleflag ()
Date: February 20, 2009 11:53AM


Has anyone noticed that for unorganized militias to exist, they have to follow US code? Check the fine print at any "unorganized militia" site. This means they can be called up by the federal government! Thus, any unorganized militia is actually part of the federal government, in line after the National Guard. Since the Guard is for the most part deployed overseas, who do you think is going to perform their duties in their stead? Laws have recently been passed giving the militia authority to administer forced vaccinations and man checkpoints in the event of a emergency. Thats what the government plans to use the militia for. I think most folks who join or even form militias do not realize this. Those militiamen who will not go along with the call up will simply be sent to a FEMA camp. HUTAREE on the other hand follows the code of God and seems to operate solely under his law. This and similar Christian groups who believe in the armour of God will be the only groups to prevail in the soon coming crisis.


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: RD-Merzonik ()
Date: February 20, 2009 06:42PM


How true you are!!! We do not follow ANY county or state lines, We are an Independent unit, subject to GOD's laws and guided by the testimony of JESUS!!!!!!


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: Joseph ()
Date: February 20, 2009 07:02PM


The HUTAREE have the right attitude and positions, in my opinion. Dark days are coming and all should be prepared. I only wish the HUTAREE were in my neck of Kentucky, they would have a volunteer today.


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: Sunshine ()
Date: March 12, 2009 07:06PM


Would like to meet some Godly men in Virginia who feel called to prepare themselves and their families for the days ahead. I am not interested forming a militia based on the world of men but upon a sure foundation and the government of God and His Christ. We are to be Christian soldiers. As King David had mighty men so does the King of glory have His mighty men. We form for a common goals to grow as disciples, to be salt and light. We come together for the defense of friends and family members and to meet the needs of our community in time of need. Hutaree now in Virginia. Please respond to this inquiry. God Bless you all


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: chris ()
Date: March 13, 2009 06:29AM


Hey guys, I need to find strong men of faith in the san diego area to possibly have a group like hutaree here, can anyone help? Chris


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: RD-Merzonik ()
Date: March 13, 2009 04:22PM


OK,,THIS IS FOR ANY AND EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO SET UP A GROUP LIKE THE HUTAREE,,we have the Colonial Christian Republic,,this was set up for people to join as allies with us,,this way you get to keep your own unique way of doing things. We ourselves are very strict on equipment and overall goals that we fully beleive need to be acheived.

Start a group with Christian values at it core, do not bend or give in this area,,especially when it comes to the officer classes.

Equip everybody to look the same(camo,guns,etc.).

Find and recruit a strong man of GOD to be your minister,give him a high officer rank,so no-one in the unit except for the commander can give orders to him(this protects the Christian morals by which you have started your unit with).

Leave a class of none officer rank,for the un-saved to join,remember these individuals will follow your lead,in both,how you live your life now and how you act in battle,in doing this you open the door for them to get saved and come into the full light of JESUS.

Ask and we will help,,we are in southern Michigan, around 10 miles from the Mich-Oh border. If need be we can try and meet up with you to help you understand our system and assisst you in setting yours up.


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: Chris ()
Date: March 14, 2009 05:19AM


Thank you for responding back. Would we be with the Colonial Christian Republic, but name our own group? Do we have rules like, No drinking or drugs, U.S. citizen, age, staying in good physical shape,or is that to our discretion? I am going to bring this up at our next men's meeting. I really want to get this started to glorify God and show the strenght of Him when the hard time come. Chris


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: RD-Merzonik ()
Date: March 14, 2009 07:44AM


Yep,,your own name,,maybe something like San Diego Christian Militia(SDCM)or California Defenders Of Christ(CDOC),whatever,research the name you come up with and make sure it is not already in use somewhere,as long as you your group is Christ based it will work.

Rules heck yeah there are rules, drugs a huge no no,drinking,as long as there is not any drunkeness,but relax and make sure you are all freinds, cause the feds will come snooping and increase the stress level,freinds stand firm and defend each other in all things. Galations chapter 5, tells about works of the flesh and fruits of the spirit, thats the best guide lines for anybody, because they are from GOD.


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Re: Where are the Militias? Posted by: Chris san diego ()
Date: March 14, 2009 08:51AM


I have alot of questions to ask, but I am cautious what I ask over the internet, or should I just spit it out? Part of me gets a little uneasy about the possibility of federal agents monitoring a group I would be starting, but, this idea has come from the Lord, I think He guided me to your website, and wants fellow Christian men to be strong, prepared, and prayed up. I will also keep on praying about this idea, and for Hutaree. Read Psalm 91 Chris

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[XanaDUer]

76. Does Cragslist have Men Looking for Other Men fora?

Hey guys, I need to find strong men of faith in the san diego area to possibly have a group like hutaree here, can anyone help? Chris

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[Turborama]

123. There's some really funny trolling going on in that forum

There's also a lot of porn in there too, now. So it's not for anyone at work :http://www.hutaree.com/forum/list.php?12


A couple of samples.

Re: *URGENT* We have another government attack!
Posted by: Gale Sayers ()
Date: March 28, 2010 11:00PM

I forgot where we hid the pipe bombs, can you tell me their exact location?

CODE RED********
Posted by: ZULIF ()
Date: March 28, 2010 11:20PM

Everyone go to your pre planned bunker and start getting ready for war!

The time is at hand for Obama to start the great antichrist war of The Fabled End times!

We need at least 5 pairs of mating gerbils for fresh meat.

Someone go to petco and secure a cache of small animals for emergency protein and make sure to get extra hamsters to breed with the gerbils,

Come endtimes you will be begging for Gerbster.

Someone get Sarah Palin's phone number,

Im sure she will be willing to fight and die for Jesus.

In Jesus Name.

Amen

[EnviroBat]

129. HAHHAHAHHAHHA!

:rofl:

I nearly peed...

[Deep13]

59. Go get 'em. This was a long time in coming. nt

[valerief]

60. Anyone getting that early 90's feeling? Deja vu all over again, huh? nt

[Captain Hilts]

68. Not enough. Too many people think history began in 2008. This is an ugly repeat. nt

[Cleita]

71. Good for them. I hope they go after all the nests of these Nazi loving

anti-American criminals. I really got fed up with them having rights up in Idaho, like marching down the mainstreet of towns in their little Hitler outfits waving their swastika flags and claiming that their movement was a religion, which is weird because they openly hated Jews and wouldn't admit that Jesus was a Jew.

[Lint Head]

72. The comments on Youtube to this video are frighten.

Something is happening in this country and I hope we as progressives stick together! We cannot allow these Fright Wing Hatriots to roll over us because we think peace will resolve everything. To everything there is a reason for peace and a reason for war.

[Hulk]

75. YeeeeeHaaaaw! Round 'em up!

Get the crazies out of the woods and lock 'em up. Maybe when the repukkkes get in power someday, you can draft them as our first line of "fodder" for their next war of aggression around the world. You can bet their will be one, to "stimulate the economy".

[mystieus]

77. The uploader on youtube is deleting my comments. He's one those pro-Militia nutjobs

[mystieus]

81. ATTENTION: Had to put comments on Approval only, due to a team of Zionist Right vs Left garbage

But he lets the Obama bashing comments stay..

[RedEarth]

83. Terry Nichols' brother was a member of the Michigan Militia

[Love Bug]

93. Yep. Michael Moore did a piece on them in "Bowling for Columbine"

[Shining Jack]

90. K&R

Those militias are giving me the creeps.

[Divine Discontent]

94. "they're just good men!" yeah, RIIIIIGHT! there's multiple video uploads on youtube, all of them

so far are by right-wing extremist types. I'm sure some libs have uploaded a few of these videos, but of the 3 I looked at about it, they were right-wingers.


Go read their comments on the first two pages of comments from this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyak-E5gTAY&feature=related
It mentions a "commander telling the others to tell the "chirch" and his wife to pray because they were packing up and going to war today"


Talk about wacky anti-USA-f*cks! Take em down! The President hasn't done anything for them to start their crap - they just love to get themselves all up in a lather of "he's comin' after our guns!"


I am so glad! They aren't fit to have guns...

[Tx4obama]

95. From the AP via HuffPo ... link

FBI agents conduct raids in Mich., Ohio, Indiana
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20100328/us-fbi-raids/

[protocol rv]

100. From the Old Testament of the Christian Bible

"and every man, woman, and child in it was killed"

Not being a Christian, nor Jewish, I've always wondered, why do you worship a god whose tendency is to order massacres?

[James48]

98. I would like to commend the FBI and the various

law enforcement agencies for a job well done.

Thank you for keeping us safe.

One more question-

Do you think they should get a civil trial, or a military tribunal?

Personally, I favor a civil trial, with lawyers, and everything.

Just wondering what you think.

[gleaner]

102. I would think they would get a civil trial ...

The administration has not designated them as "unlawful detainees" and they are not in the military, so it would be a civil trial. After everything shakes out, there might be federal charges, but that would still be a civil proceeding.

Besides in a civil trial, unless it is sealed, the evidence becomes public record and you might be able to learn a lot about them and other groups like them which would be helpful in the future.

The government in the 90s never really did seek to break up the militia groups in an organized proactive way. I remember that their actions were mostly reactive at the point when the groups had violated the laws to the point that they had to intervene. If the government had used the laws it had and taken the first step we might not be having so many problems now.

Hopefully there is now a commitment to put an end to domestic terrorism before they do something that is so bad that it cannot be stopped or managed.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ This is a link to Stormfront. It is a community forum for the various right wing hate groups. WARNING. If you go there you will read hate speak and other very offensive rhetoric, so approach with care if you do not want to see this. About half way down the home page is their take on the action against the Michigan Militia. That and other items give you a pretty good idea of the mindset of the people who form and participate in these militias. I used to consult it regularly when I was auditing tax protesters in the 90s because those were the people I was dealing with and I needed some idea of what I was going to run into, or what would run into me. It is fascinating and scary.

Hello to you and welcome to DU.;)

Edited to add link.

[TxVietVet]

103. Here's the Militia Radio with goofy ass Mark Koernke

http://www.militiaradio.com/

Obviously, he hasn't learned anything from his past. Jail time didn't straighten him out. He's considered a "hero" for the militia movement. Actually, I think is so full of himself, it's pitiful. He fancies himself as some great militia intelligence wizard. Lot's of bu$hit come from him. Listen for a while and wonder if this guy is real.

[benld74]

104. Their Website is below,

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

Neither MICHIGANMILITIA.COM nor the SMVM have been "raided" by the FBI. We do nothing illegal.

Some sources indicate that the sealed warrants will be released on Monday...This site has NOT been compromised by anyone, nor have we been raided at all. Please disregard any such false information that you might encounter on any comment boards.

Both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the staff of Michiganmilitia.com condemn attacks or threats of any sort directed against our elected representatives. We also condemn those who would use these attacks to further their agenda. If you don't like your representatives, then recall them or elect someone else, or run for office yourself. We also urge all representatives to obtain and read a copy of The Constitution.

A well-armed citizenry is the best form of Homeland Security and can better deter crime, invasion, terrorism, and tyranny. The intention of this website is to inform, promote and facilitate the development and training of the militia. Everyone is welcome, regardless of race, creed, color, religion or political affiliation, provided you do not wish to bring harm to our country or people. If you are a United States citizen (or have declared your intent to become such), who is capable of bearing arms, or supports the right to do so, then YOU ARE the militia...

Interested in joining your local militia?

CLICK HERE for more information!

[TxVietVet]

116. Just curious........

Where were you guys, supposedly protection our individual rights, when the bu$h regime was in power? They eagerly passed their "patriot" act with was a huge invasion of our privacy and our rights.
Any comments..

I've been monitoring hate groups and the militia activity when it really got cranked up back in the early 80s. That's when the militias got so active because a president by the name of Clinton was ELECTED. Then, when a conservanazi named bu$h was appointed, the militias all but disappeared. Funny, the militias never said SQUAT about the bu$h "patriot" act, yet as soon as a Democrat was elected, who happened to be of mixed race, the militias and all the hate groups show back up. Amazing your observations of our rights under a conservanazi republiklan goes by the wayside, yet when a Democrat comes to office, all of a sudden you're worried about our rights.

I think your priorities are protecting the Constitution or the citizenry of this country, nor do you want to obey the laws you dislike. Like INCOME TAXES, property tax, gun laws............ generally, if you don't like the law, then it's unconstitutional and you try to intimidate your point to the public.

Just curious............. got any answers.

[Tx4obama]

109. Updated AP article link below...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FBI_RAIDS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-03-28-18-32-44

[glinda]

120. Guns huh? We have had a lot of "moving auctions" with tons of guns listed. Who would have that many

guns in one family anyways????

[bushalert]

119. The feds just missed Sarah Palin......

she must have ducked out the back door!

[Tx4obama]

121. Homeland Security Report Warns Of Rising Right-Wing Extremism.

10 pg report--> http://tinyurl.com/cpgx6q

[ccharles000]

122. k/r