Grayson Is FURIOUS About The Death Threats To His 5YR Old Son, Goes BALLISTIC On Teahad Apologist

[Turborama]

Run time: 10:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48fkIkrgF4   Posted on YouTube: March 30, 2010 By YouTube Member: MoxNewsDotCom Views on YouTube: 598   Posted on DU: March 31, 2010 By DU Member: Turborama Views on DU: 13241

 
Starts at 02:30, if you want to skip CNN's fawning propaganda for the Teahad Express tour.


RICK SANCHEZ, SUBSTITUTE HOST: With me now, Florida Democratic Congressman Alan Grayson -- you know him -- and Jordan Marks, executive director of Young Americans for Freedom.

Great to have both of you on.

By the way, Jordan, you spoke at the Tea Party's convention in Nashville back in February, right?

JORDAN MARKS, YOUNG AMERICANS FOR FREEDOM: That's right, Rick. I was one of the speakers leading the youth recruitment efforts at the tea party national convention.

SANCHEZ: Jordan, let me ask you a question. I know people are angry out there. But, you know, we've seen some real ugliness. More than 10 congressmen have received death threats. You know, last week when the tea party was there in Washington, John Lewis was called the "n" word. Elijah Cummings was spat on. I mean, it goes on and on. A lot of people say that the tea party has incited this kind of behavior. What is your response to that?

MARKS: Well, I think it's a shame that people point to the tea party as inciting ignorance. It's not something that we should be pointing out and highlighting and giving these people the credibility and the response that they desire.

SANCHEZ: So you don't think -- so you think those folks who were doing that are completely different from any of the rest of the folks who attend the tea parties, that the people who attend the tea parties are not that way?

MARKS: Well, I would put them in the same category as the same people that call the tea party organizations or call FreedomWorks or call Americans for Prosperity or Young Americans for Freedom spouting the same ignorance. We basically put them to the side. If it's a real threat, we contact the police. But we don't highlight it and we don't promote it. I don't believe every person from every party is represented by ignorance.

SANCHEZ: Congressman, Congressman let me bring you into this. Your take on that? That it is just a few people, a few bad eggs or bad apples?

REP. ALAN GRAYSON (D), FLORIDA: I'm glad to see that somebody on the right can start to show the shame that they should have been expressing now for a long time. There have been all sorts of efforts to insight violence by the right-wing. And that's the way the right- wing operates. That's the way it's operated historically. And I'm glad to see that at least one person here on the air is willing to try to separate himself. But the fact is that it comes from the ideology and not from any one particular person.

SANCHEZ: Well, I guess the question is does it come from Republican congressmen? And let me show you a piece of video, all right? Let's see if we got this video up here.

These are Republican congressmen who are spurring on the tea party movement. There you see some of the congressman in there now. We also have video of them holding up placards outside Congress actually getting them to cheer and one of them making hand signs in front of Nancy Pelosi's face. You guys have seen all of these.

MARKS: I was there.

SANCHEZ: Well this is what a lot of the Democratic congressmen, folks like Alan Grayson, says proves that the Republican Party is not only in line with the tea party movement but is actually created the heated rhetoric that has caused some of those acts of incivility that we have seen. How would you respond to that?

MARKS: Well, I would hate to believe that Chairman Steele, an African-American, would go and be one of the people to incite these, you know, the responses and really the disgusting behavior of a few individuals. I don't think he --

SANCHEZ: Wait a minute. Are you saying that because Chairman Steele is an African-American he's incapable of using heated rhetoric that may cause someone to become or say something racist?

MARKS: Well, I don't think he was calling for people to have racist response.

SANCHEZ: Well, I'm not talking about Chairman Steele. I'm not talking about Chairman Steele.

MARKS: OK.

SANCHEZ: I am talking about the congressmen who were outside. And I don't know, do we have that picture? We don't have that. All right.

MARKS: I mean, are you going to judge the entire Democratic Party by a few people that hold up Nazi symbols at their rallies? I don't think -- I think this is a double standard that we're seeing here.


(CROSSTALK)

GRAYSON: That's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous.

MARKS: And to say it's because of the ideology to point to the ideology, this is the actual prejudice that conservatives face on college campuses --

GRAYSON: Oh, how sad.

MARKS: -- in the nation to say automatically anything that you say is going to be considered racist.

SANCHEZ: No, no, we weren't saying that. I wasn't. But let me just ask you --

MARKS: Well, I think Congressman Grayson was.

SANCHEZ: What Democratic congressman has held up a swastika?

GRAYSON: It's never happened. He's lying. Stop lying.

MARKS: I never said the congressman held up a swastika. But what Republican congressman did you see holding swastikas. And wasn't it a Democrat Senator Byrd that was a member of the KKK? Are you going to hold the entire party accountable because of that?

SANCHEZ: Senator -- I mean, Congressman Grayson?

GRAYSON: Well, that's premature. But listen, we have now reached the point of absurdity. OK. The right has fomented a national nervous breakdown. They keep pushing the panic button on their followers over and over and over again, trying to get them stoked on hatred and on fear. And they've succeeded. They've succeed in driving these people to the point where they're threatening my 5- year-old son.

Now why don't you just say you're sorry? That's what you ought to be saying, I'm sorry. Don't try to push it off on the Democrats. Say you're sorry. Apologize to my 5-year-old.

MARKS: Tea party should not be accepting responsibility for this. The Republican Party should not be accepting responsibility for this.

GRAYSON: Well, look --

MARKS: The Democratic Party should not be accepting responsibility for this. Individuals need to accept responsibility. When you -- when you --

GRAYSON: You're not accepting responsibility.

MARKS: When you said that the health care bill is similar to a holocaust, they didn't hold the Democratic Party responsible.

GRAYSON: You were in that crowd. You were cheering.

MARKS: You went ahead and apologized for your individual remarks. Am I wrong? Did you apologize for saying that this health care bill is going to cause, if it's not passed it's going to cause a holocaust? And you apologized for it, is that right?

(CROSSTALK)

GRAYSON: You know, listen, people like you -- people like you -- and it's very apt that your name is Marks -- people like you, your dreams turn into other people's nightmares. And it's time you owned up to it.

MARKS: We as conservatives believe we have winning principles and we stick by these principles. Small government.

GRAYSON: Your principles are violence.

MARKS: I don't think anyone and my principles are --

GRAYSON: Anger, hatred and violence.

MARKS: In fact, in the charter of my personal organization, it says if you are a person that does do the so-called acts that happen towards these congressmen, you're kicked out of my organization.

GRAYSON: Oh, yes.

MARKS: You can go look it up online. We are a public organization.

GRAYSON: See if that helps to bring back the dead.

SANCHEZ: Let me ask you, Jordan --

MARKS: I don't understand how that has to do with anything with bringing back the dead?

SANCHEZ: What did you mean by that? What did you mean by that, Congressman, about bringing back the dead?

GRAYSON: What I meant is that these are death threats including one to my 5-year-old son. Now, if they're actually acted upon, you think expelling someone from your organization of 12 people is somehow going to bring back my son?

MARKS: Well, Congressman, how do you know that these are tea party members? How do you know that these are registered -- not registered Democrats? How do you know they're not registered Democrats? Have you looked up the registration?

GRAYSON: Because it's the same people who demonstrate and chant over and over again no health care, no health care. Think about that. No health care. That's what they're chanting.

MARKS: Oh, I was at the rally. And I cheered and I chanted no health care.

GRAYSON: Yes.

MARKS: True to form. That's what we're calling for.

GRAYSON: Yes, people like you have this --

MARKS: Health care reform, not the health care reform --

GRAYSON: -- tremendous ability to withstand other people's pain and not your own.

SANCHEZ: We'll leave it there.

(CROSSTALK)

MARKS: I differ personally and I don't think I hold any particular party or any group responsible.

GRAYSON: You need to apologize.

MARKS: We leave it at that. Gentlemen, Jordan, thanks so much. Congressman Grayson, we appreciate you coming on and announcing that you'll soon be a senator from the state of California.

MARKS: Well, you know, it's a shame --

GRAYSON: By the way, I have to ask you, Rick, are they paying you time and a half for overtime tonight.

SANCHEZ: Oh, you saw me on 3:00 and 4:00, right?

GRAYSON: Yes.

SANCHEZ: I appreciate that. And kudos to you as well. Jordan, good guest. I appreciate the spirited conversation.

MARKS: Thank you very much. And, you know, I just want to say before we leave that these are good people out there, they're hard- working Americans. And that they can't be lumped in by the random death threats that are taking place.

SANCHEZ: Nobody is using --

MARKS: And those people should stop that.

SANCHEZ: We understand what you're saying. And we appreciate your point of view. Congressman, we appreciate you as well. My thanks to both of you.

GRAYSON: Thank you, Rick.

[bobburgster]

1. Whew! That whole conversation is crazy in my opinion.

Definitely valid points and concerns, but the hyperbole diminishes them.

[Turborama]

4. I think I'd be using expletives live on air if I had a 5 year old son who had heard death threats

He starts to explain to Mike Malloy what happened at 02:38 here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x449673

[Cronus Protagonist]

6. Hyperbole makes valid points less valid?

Your slip is showing.

[zbdent]

18. So Cantor was over-reacting?

I mean, his family was "threatened" ... I guess he over-reacted, too ...

[SoxFan]

81. Have you ever had a family member attacked by these dirtbags?

I have. Grayson was hardly out of line.

[HillbillyBob]

89. Years ago I had the same kind of Kreestians try to burn

a cross propped against my house. While I was giving shelter to a woman and child hiding from her abusive husband, she was African American and it took me firing off a 12g pump to get them to leave after breaking my windows and attempting to set that cross on fire. The same kind of middle age white folks.

[flamingdem]

2. GREYSON IS HEROIC! nt

[tsstranger]

25. GRAYSON ROCKS

Big time.

[PDJane]

3. Self-righteous blather from the right

is becoming a norm. When someone is murdered, they won't take any responsibility for the escalating rhetoric that aimed the violence.

[MUAD_DIB]

49. Dr. Tiller. The right backed away from that pretty quick, but the damage was already done.

The people are vile.

And now FOX Noise is using language like "Warriors" to describe the Hutaree?!!

[PDJane]

77. Warriors my (expletive deleted).

They are domestic terrorists. Period. Endit.

Calling a collection ignorant fools who run around playing at soldiers and blowing up the landscape , planning to kill and maim anyone who doesn't agree with them 'warriors' is beyond vile into absolutely evil, contemptible, loathsome, and totally irrational.

[JDPriestly]

5. Marks made no sense at all. He doesn't seem to have any understanding

of what people are saying to him. He talks gibberish that has nothing to do with the topic being discussed. I don't think we will be seeing much of him. Wow! If he is typical of the Young Republicans, they have a serious problem. Not what you'd call a brilliant person, is he?

[aquart]

7. Poor baby tries to stick to his talking points.

[Capitalocracy]

8. oh, those death threats are so random nt

:banghead:

[spicegal]

9. What I'd like to know is who is funding this obviously well financed operation.

And while we're at it, how many of those people are the beneficiaries of those government programs, the ones they seem to be railing against. After all, there are lots of older folks in those crowds, and many of them obviously don't work.

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. "who is funding this obviously well financed operation."

A couple minutes of Google shows this:

Dick Army, for one..see here:
As chairman of FreedomWorks, the group credited with mobilizing the Tea Party movement,
Armey is the movement's de facto leader.
http://www.truthout.org/secrets-tea-party-the-troubling-history-tea-party-leader-dick-armey57970

Reports indicate that the Tea Party Movement benefits from millions of dollars from conservative foundations that are derived from wealthy U.S. families and their business interests.
It appears that money to organize and implement the Movement is flowing primarily through two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party_movement_funding

[CLANG]

14. Yeah, it was just the common man that paid for that nice bus

[axollot]

29. Koch industries, the largest privately held business in Amerikkka.

The same Koch brothers who's grandfather founded the Birch Society. Please do not take it out on their paper company tho! It's union and keeps many blue collar working families afloat.

Cheers
Sandy

Edit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/greenpeace-unmasks-koch-i_b_518036.html

[BrklynLiberal]

35. They are involved in lots of things that make my stomach turn....

[HillbillyBob]

88. I would like to see a comprehensive list

of the companies these koch brothers own. I saw a partial list..and Northern tissue(georgia pacific I think) well I know I won't be buying anything from any company they own if I can help it.

[Turborama]

90. SourceWatch has quite a lot of detail on them...

Here: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries

Jim Hightower wrote a really good article on them recently, too: http://www.alternet.org/investigations/146094/hightower:_two_right-wing_billionaire_brothers_are_remaking_america_for_their_own_benefit">Two Right-Wing Billionaire Brothers Are Remaking America for Their Own Benefit

[underpants]

11. Kicking for later

[bulloney]

12. Where was Marks coming from in some of his remarks?

Somehow, he was trying to turn the tables on Grayson by implying that Democratic congressmen were holding up swastikas at rallies when there's no proof.

He tries to wash his hands from the hate-mongering the tealiban have been spreading. He acknowledges that he spoke at the tealiban "convention" in Tennessee a couple of months ago but tries to argue that they don't promote hate-mongering. Weren't there racist speakers at the event? The darling of the tealiban, Sarah Palin, has been trotting all over the place inciting violent acts to those who support HCR and Democratic candidates. And Marks says the tealiban aren't associated with the violence that's been occurring, including the death threat to Grayson's 5-year-old son, Democratic members of Congress and others who support HCR?

At the beginning of the video, once again you hear a bunch of old farts (on Medicare and Social Security no doubt) who must spend the better part of their days getting their heads filled with hate-mongering from the likes of Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity crying about "socialism." I really believe the men in that group fantasize that some day they will get in Palin's pants.

To those dumb old farts, I'd like to make a deal with you: Give up your Medicare card and buy your health insurance on the open market. Forfeit your Social Security. Then, get back with me in a few months and tell me how well that's working for you.

To the rest of you tealiban: If government is so evil and so bad, let me suggest you move to a country that has no government--Somalia. Won't you do this for the rest of us? Then, get back with us in about a month and tell us how that's working for you.

Geez! This country's going to the looney bin at warp speed! People go to public events and make total asses of themselves by being total hypocrites who don't know what the f--- they're talking about. All they do is parrot what they hear on the RW radio and TV shows.

[Lars77]

13. "Young Americans for freedom"

I love organizations like this. Their name implies that if you argue against them you are against freedom.

[rasputin1952]

15. I'm an Old American for Freedom...

I have not seen one thing from the RW that could equate to Freedom, it's all about them controlling everything a citizens does. It used to be "Law and Order", now it's "Freedom". The RW has done more to take away Freedom during my lifetime than any other group ever conceived.

Their ideology says, "Walk my way, Talk my way, March lockstep"...where the hell is the "Freedom" in that? The whole ideology is to set up "Landed Gentry, and everyone else"...it is an ideology based on wealth="morality", it is the antithesis of Freedom.

[SharksBreath]

16. Conservative principles are a myth.

They don't exist. How does a political party continue to exist in this country when their policies have been proven a complete failure and myth.

Smaller Govt. No Republican Pres has ever shrunk govt.

Low taxes create jobs. Bush lowered taxes to an all time low. He left office not creating a single job.

Free Market. See the bank failures of 1987 and 2008.

It's all a myth.

[AlbertCat]

46. Conservative principles are a myth.

From the introduction of Joe Conason’s 2003 book “Big Lies” :


“If your workplace is safe; if your children go to school rather than being forced into labor; if you are paid a living wage, including over-time; if you enjoy a 40-hour work week and you are allowed to join a union to protect your rights – you can thank liberals.
If your food is not poisoned and your water drinkable – you can thank liberals. If your parents are eligible for Medicare and Social Security, so they can grow old in dignity without bankrupting your family – you can thank liberals. If your rivers are getting cleaner and your air isn’t black with pollution; if our wilderness is protected and our countryside is still green – you can thank liberals. If people of all races can share the same public facilities; if everyone has a right to vote; if couples fall in love and marry regardless of race; if we have finally begun to transcend a segregated society – you can thank liberals. Progressive innovations like those and so many others were achieved by long, difficult struggles against entrenched power. What defined conservatism and conservatives, was their opposition to every one of those advances. The country we know and love today was built by those victories of liberalism – with support of the American People.”


How many of these things are in peril after decades of GOP dominance?

[vanbean]

94. If you live in a country governed by the people, and for the people.

You can thank liberals.

[shotten99]

17. Grayson rattled him, but it's too bad the little shit didn't snap.

[chill_wind]

19. It's now quite personal for Grayson and I hope he

makes going after the RW`monsters and the ideology of those who could do what they did to his child his life-long mission.

Put yourself there. Imagine your own 5 year old child or grandchild getting/overhearing that phone call.
As a father, he's not going to forgive and forget the nightmares.

[daleanime]

20. You know what stands out for me?

The facts that this 'Marks' kid isn't even upset about 5-year old kids getting death threats.:grr:

[chill_wind]

21. A party of political sociopaths.

You can't make them feel remorse or shame that they don't feel. That's what makes them such a threat and a scourge as long as they dominate their party.

[123AvenueB]

37. Grayson's Mannerisms

I feel that there's something off about Grayson's mannerisms, particularly at the end of the segment when he jokes about "getting paid time and a half". It looks like he broke character there from the "concerned father" he was showing us earlier. Did he really ask Jordan Marks to apologize to his 5-year-old son? That sounds kind of strange to me. I wouldn't want this congressman as my spokesman - his style of argument is very similar to some of the blowhard hosts on the right.

And what's with the "Marks" comment? And "premature"?

[Helga Scow Stern]

42. Grayson looked honest and strong! n/t

[mrdmk]

54. One of the two comments flew over your head, the other,

"who is more responsible, the leader or the or the follower?"

1) "The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938" This act instituted the overtime pay requirements along with employment of a minor and the minimum wage. This was double swipe at the anchor who was working a long day and the age/mentality of the person he was debating. To bad you missed the joke!

2) Jordan Marks is a leader of a group of individuals who do not responsibility for their actions. To further the point, Marks passed on the re-responsible actions of the people within his group to another group of people which is to say re-responsible of a leader. Because Marks cannot take responsibility for the people within his group, Marks has no business being a leader.

As for switching from a concern father to a person having a friendly conversation. So-what?

On edit: left-out words, why do I do that?

[vanbean]

95. You still left out one. "that" You remind me of me!

:hi:

[mrdmk]

98. Touche

:fistbump:

[cpwm17]

59. Grayson's hyperbole seems insincere

I think this is just an act for Grayson. He's certainly enjoying himself though.

Grayson's message is highly bigoted. He paints everyone from the opposition in one broad stroke - collective guilt.

The left needs more honest fighters in the Democratic Party. Grayson isn't it.

[nini]

62. really?

1 post? LOL

[socialist_n_TN]

65. Bullshit...............

Grayson was one of the FIRST Dems to actually fight back against Republican lies, slanders and innuendo. He speaks for a LOT of us.

[Quantess]

71. Please post more!

I would love to read more of your comments.

[cpwm17]

75. Liberals should be the adults

We don't want any more corrupt wusses that dominate the Democratic Party. Grayson isn't that. Also we shouldn't want politicians that act like Democratic versions of Republicans in their over-the-top attacks. Grayson made a teabagger look like the adult. He'll turn off voters for Democrats.

I think the teabaggers are a bunch of authoritarian lemmings. They are also fools to follow Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. But they are no guiltier of the sins of their fellow right-wingers then left-wingers are guilty of the alleged sins of fellow lefties.

It is a pet peeve of mine when the right-winged media attacks all liberals based on the acts of some anonymous alleged liberal. These are straw man arguments. Rush Limbaugh and FOX News get a lot of mileage using straw man arguments.

[Raksha]

83. Speak for yourself! I LOVE seeing Democrats "act like Republicans"

and fight hard and aggressively for what they believe, and defend themselves aggressively when they've been attacked. That's the only way to deal with bullies. I am so fucking SICK of Democratic "civility" aka spinelessness I could scream. Grayson won't "turn off voters for Democrats." Everyone knows he had every right to talk the way he did, and the lunatic fringe who think otherwise were never going to vote for him anyway.

Let's see the "party of personal responsibility" take some responsibility for a change.

[The Wielding Truth]

78. If your 5 year old received a death threat would it be an act if you were upset?

[SoxFan]

82. Ever had a family member harassed by these ghouls?

I have.

Go through that experience, then come back and see if you still want to wag your finger.

[tanyev]

73. Your concern is duly noted.

[mod mom]

22. WhyTF do these kooks get so much air time in the first place? Our #'s against the Iraq

(bush's) War were far greater but no coverage. Pisses me off. It empowers them. Justice needs to go over those who threaten and incite violence and make examples of them!

[mzmolly]

51. Hear hear!

It angers me that the media gives them any fuel at all.

[The Wielding Truth]

79. There was a time when people without credibility would not be put up as experts.

[FarLeftFist]

23. So the republican party "shouldn't have to accept responsibility"

For the negativity, but they want the responsibility of representing these people by inciting them, and want their votes. If the GOP shouldn't accept responsibility then who, the tea-partiers? This guy threw the tea-party under the bus.

[rbixby]

26. This interview was so telling

He won't condemn the death threats, he won't say anything about the heated rhetoric that's leading people to make them. Its a very conservative idea, delegate blame for the bad stuff as far down the chain as possible, and push credit for anything, no matter how small, up to the top.

[davidthegnome]

24. In Grayson's position

I'd be angry as hell too.

One of the things bothering me about this video though, is that the tea partier appears to be setting himself up to seem a victim of the "vicious democrat". He remains apparently calm in the face of Grayson's comments that would have a more... "emotional" tea partier foaming at the mouth. What his ideology is is quite secondary in comparison to how he appears to the masses. I think Grayson's comments were more than appropriate and justified - but I can already see the right of center locals here babbling about not using a "broad brush".

One of the republican talking points lately, has been that the democrats supposedly do not want civil discourse.

What do we have here? An army of idiots getting ready to march on the Capitol? Are there enough of these tea party fanatics to shut down Washington DC? It'd be pretty damn ironic if they accomplish what we couldn't via protest. I think I'd have to leave the Country in shame and embarassment.

[AlbertCat]

48. has been that the democrats supposedly do not want civil discourse.

Yeah.... just look at how Dems acted last August! Dems were dreadful at Town Hall Meetings. Only the Conservatives wanted civil discourse.

[peoli]

27. 'your dreams turn into other peoples nightmares' haha

[JoshieR]

28. I really don't understand...

...why talk show hosts always give republican and teaparty people a free pass. Notice how the swastika claim wasn't pressed. Notice that when the republican kid plays the "our RNC chairman is black" card, and Rick comments on it, it turns in to "Oh, no, I never said you were racist". Hell Yes, you are racist. If you think that having 1 black person in your organization magically makes you not racist, you are sadly out of touch with reality.

[fascisthunter]

30. it's all coming back to bite you right wing

the fact you don't want a better healthcare system says everything we need to know about what your intent is... you fool only fools.

[Crowman1979]

31. All right Pelosi, step down and let Grayson take charge!

You can keep your seat, just don't be the speaker.

Am I not merciful? :-)

[Stumbler]

32. With respect, Turborama, when did Grayson go 'ballistic'?

His response was remarkably civil, imo.

[gorfle]

33. I agree.

People are still pussy-footing around this issue.

You can't whip up the masses convincing them that there is a fire and then when one of them calls the fire department say, "But we didn't tell anyone to call the fire department!!!"

These people are instigators and inciters, plain and simple.

[Turborama]

34. Going ballistic doesn't necessarily mean being uncivil

I used it in the title to describe his justifiable anger at the insensitive asshole who was answering as an apologist for his fellow Teahadists.

I agree, he was remarkably civil. Like I said upthread, if it had been me I would have been unrestrained with the language I used.

[Dinger]

36. Grayson Squashed That little worm

Beautiful! K & R!

[Blue Owl]

38. every time I read news about Grayson

I like that guy more and more!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

39. Young Americans for Freedom?

How old is this Marks guy? When I think "young," I'm thinking maybe under 25. This guy is older than that.

[byronius]

40. Grayson. American.

Best example of an intelligent, honest citizen/representative I've seen in a long time.

[davidhilton]

41. Excuse me, but how ill-informed are some of these tea-people?

"Not listening to the people" "Sending a message to Washington"
We voted in Nov 08 and sent a message to Washington - the people spoke.
We vote in this country - policy isn't set by how loud a bunch of teabaggers scream.
Someone should tell Sista Sarah and her tea bag klan how it works in a democracy.

[TatonkaJames]

43. First off most of these tea-heads are misinformed/stupid

These people are what we call "sheeple." They'll follow any cause that strikes fear in them that are close to their heart, like guns, unemployment and Medicare. (most don't understand these are provided by the government)
These are very dangerous people. They don't take the time to research the facts, they just like what they hear from some nut-job and that's their man/woman. Doesn't matter if they're lied to, if it sounds like the government is taking away something, they are against it and for whomever said it.
And in my opinion, anyone who listens to Palin has a lot of space inside their noggin.

What gets me the most and proves just how STUPID these people are is they all seem to want smaller government. Well, if they graduated grammar school (like it's not a reality) how are they to know that beginning with Reagan, most of the deregulation's and national debt was caused by those republican presidents who spent without paying as they went.

Try telling that to them and they'll most likely shoot you before believing it.

What this guy Marks doesn't understand is when republican senators and congressmen urge them on from the capitol balcony, there is sure to be the one person who takes all this too seriously and will do something drastic. That's what I fear. And you get that from being stupid.

[davidhilton]

44. A dream i had... Alan Grayson as POTUS.

[pundaint]

45. I want aggressive leadership for my party. I don't see anybody who has demonstrated

the ability and willingness to lead any better than Alan Grayson. I'm guessing that President Grayson wouldn't be pushing the 1993 Republican agenda as Change. Is thee any evidence that people learn from a lengthy stay in congress? Therefore, I say he's ready for 2012. We will not be managed, and triangulated out of this mess, we must be Led.

[jefferson_dem]

93. Right on!

I hope he runs for re-election to FL-8 in '12 after winning in '10. Grayson rocks!

[Doctor_J]

47. How many tours did Jordan serve in the Middle East?

If he is really a "Young American For Freedom", where is his Purple Heart?

[WeekendWarrior]

50. Ballistic? Hardly.

I really get sick of the overhyped descriptions on some of these posts. Grayson never went ballistic and, in fact, stayed relatively calm considering the bullshit this guy was spewing.

[varelse]

52. Alan Grayson - the backbone of the Democratic party

and the salt of the earth <3

[LibertyLover]

53. I am almost ashamed to admit that in high school I was a YAF member -

It started innocently enough - one of the guys in my class who I liked mentioned that he and some of his friends had a discussion group on politics and would I like to come by and join in. It turned out that most of my friends were attending. I have to say that the politics YAF represented itself as holding were pretty basic Goldwater conservative ideals. I rather liked Senator Goldwater and frankly, these days he looks positively left wing when compared to the GOP positions. My YAF association lasted senior year in high school and through that summer, but when we all went off to college, my interest died a natural death and when I registered to vote that fall, I registered as a Democratic Party member. My mom and dad, FDR Democrats, were vastly relieved that the prodigal daughter had returned to the fold.

What YAF has turned into is just wrong.

[elocs]

55. I watched it, but where was the part where Grayson goes BALLISTIC?

Yes, he was upset but the other guy got in more talking points.

[Cha]

56. "small government" bullshit...where were they when bushcheney

was everyfuckingwhere and spending Everything?

The Obama admin is a Smart Government so don't give me your little "small" talking point:silly:

[JohnWxy]

57. "people like you, your dreams turn into other people's nightmares. And it's time you owned up to it"

Alan Grayson for poet laureate. For the NObel Prize for Fighting for Civil Society and democracy!

Alan Grayson for the next Presidential nominee of the Democratic party. this is how to deal with fanaticism and REpubllican demogoguery. NOt the Post partisan take it in the face and just turn the cheek. That does NOT work with sociopaths and their subset: fascists.


HE needs to talk to the GOP on the floor of Congress!!!!!


Recommended!!

[FairWinds]

58. YAFer's Are Trained Thugs

  While working as a substitute prof, I was assaulted by a
YAFer outside a classroom at Cleveland State University in the
1980s.  They have not changed a bit.  In fact, they are
trained to be uncivil and disruptive - and are applauded by
the organization when they do it.  After that experience I
vowed to become even more outspoken in speaking truth to
power, and I kept that promise.  I hope Cong. Grayson does the
same.  

[MinM]

99. Conservatism USA (CUSA), YAF and Dallas 1963

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7396

[GreenTea]

60. Extremely sad, and what can one expect from the lying slimy republican teabaggers!

[Ignis]

61. "You need to apologize."

Damn straight! Hold the leaders accountable.

Keep pushing, Congressman! :patriot:

[harmonicon]

63. why do they give these fuckers air time?! media fail (nt)

[katandmoon]

64. Marks already veers into parody but OMG he is a dead ringer/sounder for a young John Belushi.

[Autonomy]

66. Grayson lost

"Say you're sorry. Apologize to my 5-year-old."

I think he got thrown off his square by the threats to his son. He is usually incisive and rational, but lost when he tried to make the teabagger apologize for something that he did not personally do, and cannot be proved he supports. Grayson is using guilt by association, and we would not stand for it used against us.

I'm not sure why people are rec'ing this. Grayson was right about Repubs' health care plan, but he is wrong here.

[baldguy]

70. Bullshit. He exposed the Teahadists for what they really are.

Stupid, emotionally insecure, immature & totally oblivious to the problems real people put up with in the real world.

[big lu]

72. Autonmy what I took from it was that he wantd an apology for incitements of the threats & violence

and not the threats & violence themselves. Marks admitted that he was at the Congress rally chanting with the rest of the teabggers and it's quite likely that he cheered the hostile bullhorn speeches there as well. That guy's doing nothing to address the climate of irrational anger that they've manufactured. That anger is what leads the more feeble-minded of their group to behave violently. Then Marks sits there and makes excuses for it, so yeah I'd say Grayson's right, he should apologize to his son.

[Autonomy]

86. Marks has no moral authority to apologize

for the actions of others. Notice in your argument above, you slide from referring to "him" (Marks) to "they" (the group as a whole) without demonstrating an absolute unanimity. The only way to so demonstrate would be if the movement were organized around the threats, but it is demonstrably not so organized;

Thus, Grayson's argument is akin to demanding responsibility from the organizers of a party where there was no alcohol provided for the drunk driving of a party-goer. It's easy to fall into that fallacious trap because we commonly associate parties and alcohol, but there can be parties without alcohol, just like there can be conservative organizations that do not espouse hate or violence.

It would be understandable for a parent of a child run down by a drunk driver not to make that distinction, and it would be common for people reading about it in the newspaper not to make that distinction, but a judge definitely would.

One can personally believe that the organizers of these teabag rallies are relying on violent undertones, but one cannot prove it, and it is demonstrably not so organized, so making such a public accusation against someone against whom one cannot demonstrably connect to any such event weakens one's overall position.

I can foresee some suggesting that I am being too analytical, and that the situation is a common sense one. To those, I would say, you would see that my argument is actually one of common sense if Marks were Cindy Sheehan and Grayson were Michele Bachmann.

[file83]

87. I agree with you.

What really irked me is the way Grayson was smirking like he was having fun in between proclaiming threats had been made against his 5 year old son. Something about his presentation seemed ingenious. The other guy, while a douche bag, at least tried to keep the conversation calm and somewhat civil.

[Hosnon]

91. I agree as well.

He seriously wanted Marks to apologize for something that hasn't happened and that he didn't threaten?

ETA: I rewatched it and it was even clearer: Grayson was arguing from emotion, Marks from reason.

[Toasterlad]

92. His Point Was That People Like That Marks Fuck Are the Ones Inciting This Violence.

And they need to accept responsibility for encouraging this over-the-top unrest, and apologize for it.

Sorry that was lost on you.

[anachro1]

67. I have a great idea

Obama - Grayson 2012.

[onlyadream]

68. Don't blame Hitler for the Holocaust

everyone should take personal responsiblity! :sarcasm:

Palin was a NOMINEE for VP!!! She's the one leading this thing. Don't tell me the tea party is separate from the GOP!

[Hubert Flottz]

69. Dirty Sanchez is almost as bad as the freeper Marks.

[Aviation Pro]

74. Who the fuck is this pasty faced, non-serving, motherfucking....

...assclown? This fucking teabagging asswipe should put down his Twinkie pick up a rifle and stand a fucking watch in Iraq or A-Stan.

Fuck this coward.

[bluesmail]

76. Thanks to you (and hissyspit on different occasions) for writing the entire

dialogue for us dial-up users.

[TxVietVet]

80. It's just a matter of time before it turns violent

Last night, AGAIN, I had directed Color Of Change to start pressing the Southern Poverty Law Center to put the conservanazi republiklans, the teabaggers, druggie limblaugh, bill o'lielly, hannity, anthrax coulter and any other loud mouth lying conservanazi scum on a hate groups list. They are inciting these people to violence.
Yesterday, like every 4 weeks, I received a membership dues notice for the SPLC. Again, I will write them a letter to explain my point of view and until they change, I will not pay them any money.

Sooner or later, either they stop mailing me or they will do what I've asked. Now, how many of you have written them for the same reason, I don't know. But it's just like the Democratic Party, if you don't listen to what I've said and a majority of people have said, then f*ck you. No more money for you.

It's time we all put the pressure on the SPLC. If they call these conservanazi clowns hatemongers, that may change the tone.
If not, then it's just a matter of time.

I know, I know. I've said it more than once. Hopefully, someone will read this and comply.

[Shining Jack]

84. K&R

Thanks a lot for the transcript.

[GirlAfire]

85. "We Have...

...a black man as our Chair, so we're obviously not racist." Yeah, that's not racist. And, yeah, a black man couldn't possibly incite expressions of racism against blacks. To pull Steele from out of nowhere just blew my mind. To introduce supposed shady associations or comments of Democrats as if they answered the questions of Grayson or Sanchez further blew my mind.

Unbelievable, really...

[Fading Captain]

96. Grayson looks like a moron sometimes

And he's way to happy to get in front of the camera.

He's a charlatan. He looked more violent then the pinhead Republican he was talking too.

[democracy1st]

97. kick