Teahadist hatefest in Ohio

[Joanne98]

Run time: 03:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRhVcpPNErw   Posted on YouTube: April 12, 2010 By YouTube Member: freedomordeath75 Views on YouTube: 4   Posted on DU: April 12, 2010 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 1516

 

I think it's in the 18th district.

[samplegirl]

1. I tell ya...........

they are nuts in Ohio.

[tempelton]

5. I know you're probably kidding but...

...for the record, they are not all nuts here. Far from it. I moved here with my wife (she is from Cleveland) from my native Ireland a year ago. I have met lots and lots of people, not all of them Democratic Party supporters by any means, but I have yet to meet a teabagger. I have however met loads of liberals and even some conservative types who just consider it common sense for there to be some form of health-care reform (we can at least debate with such people over what form this should take).

There are undoubtedly lots of these Teabagger assholes in this state, but there are far from being representative of the state as a whole. Where I live, in Cleveland, is heavily Democratic and home to the mighty Dennis K.

I seriously don't think I could live here if it were otherwise!

[tempelton]

2. Nuremburg Rally Nostalgia...

These people talking of 'leading a revolution' against a democratically elected government truly are leaning towards fascism. Their sore-loser politics allows them to elevate an oppposition win to the special rank of tyranny (rather than merely viewing it as an ideological setback). This is the very essence of hating democracy.

Just as I consider liberals to be leaning towards fascism when they often advocate the federal censoring of political opinions they do not agree with, it is obvious that those on the right calling for a revolution (towards a regressive oblivion) despise the ballot box and the necessary public engagement that democracy is made of, preferring instead to lunge towards violent solutions (at least in words, if not yet in deed).

There are lots of reasons why these people are frustrated (some legitimate, such as the bailouts, most are bullshit, and some are part of a bigger picture, such as the misinformation supplied by the MSM), but there is not one that justifies the fascist path these people are now sauntering towards.

[niceypoo]

3. Seig heil!!

Jaysus these people need a life. Was just talking to a coworker this AM and she was whining about 'socialist Obamacare'. When prodded she couldnt cite a single iota of socialism in the bill. Jaysus freaking Christ.

[tempelton]

6. Are you Irish?

Just wondering because of the whole 'Jaysus' thing? That is very Dublin-type lingo. There's where I'm from (Dun Laoghaire).

If not, sorry! :)

[niceypoo]

8. Im about half Irish

I picked up that phrase from reading 'Trinity' 3 or 4 times over the years!

[tempelton]

9. Ah, in that case...

...you might enjoy this classic bit of Dublin lingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRmk7jcYII0

(Give it a miss if easily offended and not safe for work, due to prodigous cursing from three old Dublin ladies - but funny as hell!)

[Botany]

7. These people are batshit crazy ..... tim geithner hank Paulson are socialists?

please.



I once had a lady tell me that our oil shortage is because China is drilling off
of Cuba and stealing "our oil."

[Botany]

4. and here is a crowd to see Michelle Obama in 2008 in OH

[Joanne98]

11. Thanks!

[madamesilverspurs]

13. About this pic --

it's photo-shopped. Note the yellow building left of center: just below it there is a group of people, that same group repeats throughout the photo.

We complain when "they" do this stuff. . .


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[dbmk]

15. Yep, and a pretty bad 'shop job to boot. n/t

[Politicalboi]

16. LOL!

I'm not an expert, but that is photo shopped. Same colors throughout, and the people are in the trees, and the Change sign really gives it away.

[Plucketeer]

10. We need to reinstitute the draft again.

These idiots need a REAL dose of reality.

[tempelton]

12. Why, so we can all fight in unjust wars?

We need to end the wars, not play political games with people's lives.

[Plucketeer]

14. I'm against unjust wars!

And how has not having a draft put a squelch on them anyways??? What's needed is the planting of a sense of country/community. The draft could put inductees into civil service as well.

[tempelton]

17. Why is the American answer always militaristic?

What you need is not a widening of the net for the militaries hold over this country - rather, you need a strenghtening of civil society to counter it. This is the most militarised country in the western world and when even the liberals (as I presume you are??) are offering an extension of military influence as a solution to the woes the country faces, you have to wonder about the clear deficit of ideas in circulation.

If you are against unjust wars, then you should be against any extension of a military-industrial complex that has held so much influence over establishment thinking since WW2 as to influence policy before it has even been written. From successive administration to administration, the American habit of reaching for a military solution/intervention/invasion does not materialise out of nowhere - rather it materialises out of a country indoctrinated into dealing with the world at the end of a gun (with some occasional exceptions of course).

And your solution is to extend that mentality in order to boost national cohesion. Frankly, such a perspective is simply depressing to me.

Not to mention, it flies in the face of any notion of personal freedom. Last time I checked, that was what liberalism was about - the balance between personal freedom and social justice, NOT a menage a trois between those two compenents and a bloodthirsty military establishment.

[tempelton]

18. By the way...

...I see your policy recommendation for a mandatory civil national service - i.e. forcing you from the top down to like your country, rather than building a grassroots-upwards national movement - has been taken up by the conservatives in the UK. (Although even they believe in freedom of choice it seems).

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/09/boris-johnson-national-citizen-service

Pure tokenism. If it doesn't have roots, it will fall down.

[Plucketeer]

20. Hey! Pass that pipe around!

If we lived with the honest possibility of a Garden of Eden being a reality, I'd be right there with you. My thinking is forged from history, not fantasy. As long as there's ONE IOTA of greed or suspicion left amongst the human race, there's no chance for super-idealistic visions of nirvana.
Heh - the teabaggers don't like the status quo either. Possibly, allies could be found there. There's shortages in the ranks of religious leaders too - another opening for head-in-the-sand reasoning. As a matter of fact - as long as there's two people left on this tortured orb, you're likely not gonna have absolute consensus.

[tempelton]

21. So a grassroots movement is Garden of Eden to you??

Wow, you really have given up, haven't you?

Your only idea consists of an increase in military influence over America. I have already laid out just a few of the reasons why this is not only a bad idea - but is in fact one that would leave you supporting bloody wars in the future. And your smug 'Garden of Eden' retort does nothing to address those issues - it merely suggests that you aren't very well informed (which is your perogative).

As a European leftwing socialist, I can only say that I sincerely hope you are not representative of the American left (which, were it to be judged by your words, has presumably given up on striving for a better and achievable world and instead seems content to let reactionary and violent forces forge on their behalf for them instead).

[Plucketeer]

22. I suggest you review the history of my country

We gained sovereignty thru military might. We've fought off aggressors (even fought with ourselves) thru military means and quite likely dissuaded assualts we've never had an inkling of thru military preparedness. So now you're gonna tell me we should all just wear dandelions (trying to tie to your "grass roots" ideology here) in our hair and the rest of the world will lie at our feet. There have been attempts at trying to live like this - the crumbling remains of their monasteries bear mute witness to those vain experiments. And the few that remain, do so thru the luxury of their locations being secured thru military guardianship.
That this country misuses it's military machine is without dispute - at least from me anyway. But the experience of being part of a structured entity has the potential to do good as well - as does a system of benign service to humankind. Let's face it.... In spite of "higher educations", there's lots of ignorance about responsibility OF ourselves and TO others. This isn't a lesson one can learn from a book or a classroom. I was a dumb country boy when I graduated from high school - I'm sure you feel I haven't progressed a step since then, given your attempts at making me feel inferior to your idealistic views. But spending four years in the military was a real eye-opener and instilled a confidence, as well as a sense of community that I'd never fathomed as a fairly carefree kid. I got to help send ordinance off to kill folks I never knew or had a personal beef with. I also got shot at by agents of those folks I was helping to send 500lb bombs against. Even tho I think it was wrong for my country to do what they did there, I've gained a valuable trove of insights to help steer me on a better course. Not one as perfect as what's on your map, but one I can live with an tout without remorse. BTW, nowdays I wear clothes made in that nation where I fought back the evil Red Tide. It's not because I feel I owe them anything, it's just that they're denim shorts and flowered shirts are the only ones I can afford.

Edited for spellings

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

23. "evil red tide"???? HILARIOUS

Rock on, you brave internet patriot, rock on. :eyes:

[mlevans]

19. Seems fairly obvious that when the dog bit him he failed to get the shots.