Grover Norquist Testifies to the Obama Deficit Commission

[spiritual_gunfighter]

Run time: 16:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2UusWiTsmM   Posted on YouTube: July 02, 2010 By YouTube Member: taxreformer Views on YouTube: 462   Posted on DU: August 12, 2010 By DU Member: spiritual_gunfighter Views on DU: 1064

 
I guess some of you are saying that this story is made up, that Norquist didnt testify in front of the Debt Commission, well here is the proof, and listen to some of the crazy stuff he is recommending.

This is the guy that has Obama's ear on the Debt.

We should all be really afraid of that.

Not that Jane Hamsher signed a petition with this guy, that Barack Obama is asking him for policy advice.

[mediaman007]

1. Discuss Social Security changes after you pay back

the money that was borrowed!

[spiritual_gunfighter]

2. This needs to be seen by everyone who beat up on Jane

[golddigger]

3. The thundering mass from the GD:P

forum will be here to unrec shortly.

[flyarm]

11. + 1 million!! you have that 100% correct!! thank you for Video!

I will be sending it out to all the Dems on my email lists!

And don't miss this..the New CEO of General Motors ..you know the company your tax dollars bailed out..a Former member of the Carlyle Group..the Bin Laden family empire's group!


And who was The senior advisor to the Carlyle Group during 9/11..GH BUSH!


http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/carlyles-a... /

Carlyle’s Akerson to Become Next G.M. Chief

General Motors said on Thursday that Edward E. Whitacre, its current chairman and chief executive, will relinquish the latter post on Sept. 1 and will be replaced by the Carlyle Group’s Daniel F. Akerson (pictured).

Mr. Akerson, who is currently a G.M. board member representing the Treasury Department, is a senior executive in Carlyle’s buyout business.

Before joining Carlyle, Mr. Akerson was a veteran telecommunications executive, including working as the chief financial officer at MCI and as the chairman and chief executive of XO Communications, where he supervised a turnaround of the company. (G.M. apparently has a new proclivity for telecom executives: Mr. Whitacre was previously the chief executive of AT&T.)

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Former head of Carlyle group To take over as GM CEO for retiring Ed Whitacer. Sept.1.
You know the GM that Obama took over ..

And you know the Carlyle Group..started and once owned by the Bin Laden family!! And headed by GHBUSH!!

You know the Carlyle group..

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

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( don't mean to hijack your thread , but I don't want to see this missed by anyone!)

[sabrina 1]

17. Yes, it does, but to be honest, I doubt

they will look at it. They would much rather engage in poutrage, to steal one of their talking point words, against someone who dared to criticize this administration.

Thanks for posting, at least they cannot pretend they didn't see it. And it will make it a little more difficult to launch into the on cue attacks on Hamsher every time someone posts a link to FDL. Yet, I would be willing to bet that hypocritical as they are, they will continue to do it.

[jotsy]

4. Where do I start?

Like the crook they call the hammer, dickweed is the word that comes to mind when I consider this bozo's claim to fame and body of work. Why would anyone in government ask the for the opinion of someone who's already claimed his lifelong goal as shrinking government until it's small enough to fit in a bath tub to drown? Cut spending? Sure, take every other year off for a decade when it comes to making weapons. Or have corporations like Wells Fargo and B of A actually pay some taxes on all the dough they're raking in from STEALING people's houses.

Congress should work less? The stimulus package made unemployment worse? Yo Grovesby, check out the work of a guy who has some genuine understanding of cause and effect on economic matters.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ZH1ejtIFo>

I've been saying for over a year that where we are economically is this creepy freeper's wet dream. No taxes for big business, their losses funneled through Fannie and Freddie and kill a few million jobs, the government becomes leveraged to the hilt with no making an income to tax, except of course the rich who pay none anyway. Meanwhile the financial wizards have engaged in more of that insurance credit default swap stuff...this time, they've bet against cities, states and other municipalities.

These flipping idiots haven't a clue, but don't they look pretty in suits that would pay the bulk of my bills for a month.

I have I mentioned I don't like these kinds of people very much?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

5. This is the big long set up

For them to eventually cut entitlements. You see the kind of people they put on this Debt Commission e.g. Alan Simpson, Erskine Bowles, anyone who knows history knows those guys and what they represent.

The handwriting is on the wall, and it's written so big that most of us can read it loud and clear.

Prepare for the assault on the middle class to ramp up and continue, they are playing for keeps now.

[jotsy]

7. David Cay Johnston wrote a series of articles in the summer of '05.

It is where I learned the term 'hyper-rich'. As of then, this group was satisfied they had already succeeded in wiping out the middle class and were now setting their sites on the 'merely rich'. This agenda and its specific target are what I believe is at the heart of many a fat finger Tuesday kind of debacle. The flow of money to the PTB is what must stop. Someone here likened our financial situation as betting against the house who always wins and asked how we get around it. Of course the house always wins because the games are fixed, we need to go all in. No more mortgage payments, car payments, credit card payments.

The uber rich have 90+% of the world's wealth, if that isn't enough, which based on their behavior, this sentiment seems to be the case, then it is safe to say they won't stop til they have it all. I don't see any of the folks in a position to do so say to them, "Uh...no."

Bring me DK and Canadian health care, we certainly are going to be any better off in the hands of these sadistic and shallow status seekers who only understand the envy they require of us little people. I wish they understood what a poor expression of people hood I think they are and that I'll never, ever risk being like them.

[flyarm]

12. seems they are counting on young people , that don't know history! or care about it!

they demonize older people ( in their 50's + )

the demomize liberals with the young people..
They smear anyone who tells the truth and have propagandists working 24/7 to keep the sheep stupid!

it is the great set up..

and the ones being set up are the young people..they will be fucking themselves! Forever!

[Joanne98]

6. This is example number one why the left is pissed!

[ellenfl]

8. kicking for later. eom

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Whenever I see that name in print..or have to see that face...my stomach lurches, and I have

the immediate need to puke.


Can't you just see what little whiney, tattletale, sweaty doughboy he was as a child???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8933055&mesg_id=8933836


Much like Calvin Trillin described Richard Perle...

Consider kids who bullied Richard Perle--
Those kids who said Perle threw just like a girl,
Those kids who poked poor Perle to show how soft
A mamma's boy could be, those kids who oft-
Times pushed poor Richard down and could be heard
Addressing him as Sissy, Wimp or Nerd.
Those kids have got a lot to answer for,
'Cause Richard Perle now wants to start a war.
The message his demeanor gets across:
He'll show those playground bullies who's the boss.
He still looks soft, but when he writes or talks
There is no tougher dude among the hawks.
And he's got planes and ships and tanks and guns--
All manned, of course, by other people's sons.

[izzybeans]

10. it was that you lied about it and cherrypicked one of 75 organizations

to testify.

You claimed Obama personally invited him and then flamed DUers for not coming on board with your spin.

There are numerous reasons your first thread on this was locked.

[JTFrog]

13. Exactly. n/t

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[sabrina 1]

16. Obama may not have personally invited Norquist

but he set up this Commission and IS responsible for inviting Alan Simpson, who imho is even worse than Norquist when it comes to the elderly and poor people, and that radical, rightwing billionaire who is a known enemy of SS, Pete Peterson to the Commission.

No doubt he understood when he did that, that those far right morons, whose views on SS are well known, would invite THEIR friends, people like Norquist, to help push their agenda. If he did NOT know that, then I'm sorry to say, he is not fit to be a leader. But I believe he did know it.

Obama as a candidate, opposed a Commission on the Deficit stating correctly, that these commissions are merely sneaky ways of getting something past Congress.

So when he announced he was going to form one for the Deficit, and then we got Alan Simpson as Co-Chair most people thought that either Obama is no longer in control of this WH, or he has lost his sense of reason.

Because who, in their right mind, would appoint Alan Simpson, Ryan, Erskine Bowles and Pete Peterson to Commission where they could finally get the chance to spread their rightwing lies about any connection between SS and the Federal Deficit.

Did you vote for Republicans when you supported this president? Why is he bringing these losers back into positions of power? Didn't we throw them out?

And does he really think he can get any concessions from them? What is he thinking?

He may NOT have invited Norquist, but he didn't stop him, and he surely opened the door for him when he promoted people like Alan Simpson to such an important position.

[sabrina 1]

15. When I discovered this last week, I too thought it was probably

not true. Can you blame people people for NOT WANTING to believe it? I did some more research before I actually believed it and posted an OP.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/sabrina%201/82

This is vitally important information for Democrats to have. They are going after Social Security and if we do not do something about NOW, like demanding answers from our Reps who are up for reelection, like asking them how they intend to vote on this in the lame duck session, it will be too late.



Once Obama set up this Commission against all the objections of every Progressive individual and group who were aware of it, and then appointed, of all people, Alan Simpson and far right radical anti SS crusader, billionaire Pete Peterson, the writing was on the wall.

I am beyond words, since Obama had stated he would NOT set up Commissions like this, which he said were merely a stealth way to get around Congress doing its job.

I guess that's the point of this commission. A stealth way to privatize SS.

And they wonder why people are angry.

[ellenfl]

18. i think the commission is a diversion. look over here, not there!

while this dog and pony show is going on, obama and company are enforcing the voting law requiring other agencies to offer application and to assist americans to vote. iow, they have made several governmental agencies do acorn's work. all the while the right has been watching the deficit commission and american idol.

write your congress critters about ss but let's see what they come up with as recommendations after the november elections.

ellen fl

[sabrina 1]

19. I'm puzzled by your post. I'm not sure what GOTV has to do with

this Commission. If that is the strategy, whoever thought it up should be fired. Putting the future of SS in the hands of people like Alan Simpson and Grover Norquist just to 'keep them busy' while we register to vote and hope that we can take back the ball after we're less occupied, would be like giving a bone to a rabid dog to keep him from biting you, hoping you can later take it away from him before he is finished with it.

There is no chess going on here. Obama himself has made some very troubling statements about SS essentially agreeing with these Republicans that SS needs to be 'saved' and that it is part of the reason for the deficit. Those are rightwing lies. So why is Obama repeating them? My priorities are not politicians or parties or the political games they play, it is the welfare of the American people, and people like Grover Norquist should be kept as far away from anything to do with our welfare as possible.

I thought we had accomplished that when we elected Democrats.

[ellenfl]

20. i still think it's a diversion. at the least, i believe their

recommendations are non-binding. i think obama is doing what he usually does to keep repubs from whining that they are not being heard.

ellen fl