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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 04:52 AM
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WHY ISN'T THE WORLD RUSHING TO RESCUE PAKISTAN?
 
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Dirigo Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 08:46 AM
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1. Aid to Pakistan
Pakistan has been less than forthright when dealing with the U.S. in the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban. It doesn't surprise me in the least that such a place that has manufacturered an atomic bomb and so militaristic in attitude thereby completely neglecting their own people's welfare they now find themselves without sufficient financial resources to battle their own flood damage.

Tell you what, you deliver up Osama and his henchmen and a few hidey holes of Taliban and alQaeda than we might be disposed to help. You reep what you sow.
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 09:49 AM
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3. So you reckon that's why the world doesent care?
You don't seem to understand that this is a security issue. Right now the islamist loons are running around telling people that their government has abondoned them, and that the west does not want to help them.

Pakistan is very, very close to falling into the hands of islamists.

Then we'll see how cooperative they are.


Any by the way. Militaristic in attitude, neglecting their own people. Sounds just like what the US has been doing for the past 50 years.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 11:17 AM
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4. How do you feel about the militaristic Junta in Burma/Myanmar?
Should the world turn its back on the people there when a disaster happens because their leaders spend their money on weapons instead of the people?

This is an utter disgrace. Millions of human beings are in danger of dying most having no control over what their government does, just WE don't.

The US has neglected its citizens allowing tens of thousands to die for lack of Healthcfare for years now, while they spend TRILLIONS on the Pentagon. Should we the people be allowed to die should we ever need help because of the actions of our government?

I wonder sometimes if Americans have any idea of how the rest of the world views the U.S. and its brutal history of invasions of other countries. How those torture videos made us look to the rest of the world.

But this is NOT about politics or governments. It is about a humanitarian catastrophe of mammoth proportions which will effect the entire region and beyond, if the world doesn't start increasing aid to those people.

Thank the gods for people like Doctors Without Borders who do not allow such insignificant considerations interfere with their human decency in situations like this.
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 11:50 AM
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5. Nice points
Sabrina; but see my post below. it's all politics. Or a mixture of everything. I'm not sure why the US rushed to save Haiti or send the USAID to Iran (a supposed mortal enemy of the US) and now drag its feet over Pakistan.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 12:16 PM
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6. Yes, I did see your excellent post below and meant to comment
on it. Thank for keeping the discussion rational. I am astounded at people using politics to excuse ignoring the human disaster developing in Pakistan, especially on a progressive board.

Thank YOU for having the vision to see how important it is for the world to get involved, even aside from how wrong it would be not to.
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-10 06:43 AM
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15. Other views
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 08:50 AM
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2. Let us compare
2004 Asian Tsunami (Thailand, India, Indonesia, Malaysia and others affected): Massive US effort--at least one CVBG, One amphibious assault group, UK, France EU sent ships. But that region was not really a terrorist infested place but more a popular area for Western tourists. 2004: no economic crisis.

Iranian Earthquake: Can't remember the date. USAID, USAF send releift supplies. No protest by netizens (I think). Iran! US enemy Western enemy yet aid was sent there

China Earthquake: US PACOM snet relief efforts to China pretty quickly too. Again can't remember the date but was during the economic crisis. Aid to China! Economic powerhouse, military powerhouse and supposed US competitor!!

Burma Typhooon/Flood (???): US Western aid sent via NGOs and USAID, DFID etc. No qualms that such a population shouldn't be helped because the leaders were dictators.

Indonesian earhqquake(??): Around the same time as the Chinese disaster. Again US Navy assisted. Indonesia: G-20 member, democracy but slight corruption.

Haiti: US military--every single branch was involved within a few hours (!!!) of the earthquake. Haiti: Non functioning democracy, poorest country (or so) in that region. US holiday spot? Strategic interests?

Now Pakistani Floods: Key US ally in WoT, recent democracy, nuclear power, but large amount of corruption. Even so, compared to Iran and China, response was much slower, faced opposition from netizens on FB and news sites, and was condemned--so many said "let thme take care of their own"

What a funny world.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 12:19 PM
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7. Excellent post, Jenneral
Another point that is often ignored about Pakistan is that the Musharaff government is no longer in charge, and the current secular government is at least an improvement over past military governments. But as you point out, if this government falls, and that is a very likely outcome of this disaster, any progress made in Pakistan will be wiped out and a real threat to peace in the region will be the result.
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-10 03:45 AM
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14. maybe
whatever government it seems to be low down in pirorities. Maybe (and this is not cyncial) if westerners were amongsts the dead there would be a difference.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 12:47 PM
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8. what are save groups to donate to for Pakistan
so we know it really gets to help the people?

doctors without borders?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 12:52 PM
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9. Please check out my sig line...
Edited on Sun Aug-22-10 12:53 PM by Turborama
Just wanted to share the links with you now. I'm going to be commenting on the video and then the stupidity bordering on racism in post #1 later...
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 11:57 PM
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12. Yep.. I often give to them
not that I can give much but I trust them.

when Haiti happened there were several groups that I found out about that it went directly to the people affected.

and when Katrina the same thing.

I haven't heard from others on Pakistan. But I know I can trust Doctors.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-10 12:00 AM
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13. what about this group??
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 01:04 PM
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10. 2 recs in 8 hours?
Edited on Sun Aug-22-10 01:05 PM by Turborama
And one of them was mine. Unreal.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 01:45 PM
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11. And one was mine ....
There is definitely a concerted effort to prevent help from getting to Pakistan.

I wonder if those who are allowing politics to influence them and are willing to watch as untold numbers of people die, given any thought to the political fallout should the Pakistani government fall? Even if they don't care about the people there?

I do think the U.S. is giving it some though as they have increased their donations and are supporting the SG of the UN's plea for more aid. So that is encouraging.
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