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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 09:41 PM
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MSNBC w/Cenk - HEATED ARGUMENT Against Republican on Social Security
Edited on Tue Aug-31-10 10:01 PM by denimgirly
 
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Cenk (hosting MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan Show all this week until Sept 3rd) slaughters republican guest over republicans stealing the underlying money for Social Security (used for the rich and wars) and republicans hopes of abolishing the program entirely so they wont have to pay it back.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 09:54 PM
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1. Man I love that guy, for once a Democrat tells it like it is and
didn't take any bullshit. He needs his own show, hey I got an idea kick Dylan Ratigan out on his ass.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:59 PM
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19. Better idea: boot Scarbrough to Fox
then give the TYT team the morning show slot. Fits well with the mixture of politics and pop culture they do on the web.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:37 AM
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22. Good point about the Morning
Yea it would be a good fit for the Turks at that time slot
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:55 AM
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23. I don't want to wake up that early.
Don't get me wrong, I'd learn to live with it but still.

;)
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:40 AM
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49. Fucking lazy, dope smoking, commie pinko fag liberal hippie!!
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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savalez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:40 AM
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58. geez louise! I just spit my coffee all over my screen. lol.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:39 PM
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131. lol
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:28 AM
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29. Great suggestion!
Scarbrough is a pure RW mouthpiece anyway.
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sasquuatch55 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:22 AM
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36. Smug, Rich,Republican, cocksucker!
nt
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:55 PM
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124. Smug is right. They equate maturity with the suit they wear. But he's still an ass underneath.
And more accurately, he's a thief. Justice will be served when the republican corporate executives and their whores in Congress pay for all the treasure they have stolen and damage they have caused to this country. They're nothing more than a bunch of sanctimonious assholes who should be rotting in jail.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:07 PM
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125. Skin pulled tight over his face, all shiny looking...Why do these vain pieces of crap
think a face lift makes them look young? Actually, not a wrinkle. Makes them look embalmed or something. Bleh!
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:38 AM
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40. I would actually watch "Morning Cenk".
Whereas I would never pollute my nice new TV with Joey Scar. Yuck!
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oldhippydude Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:26 PM
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84. yep..
i am getting to where i don't watch msnbc prior to Dylan.. between Joe and Pat, it just too much like fox light.. I still remember Milka sticking up for sister Sarah, after the Katie Couric interview
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:36 AM
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21. Agreed..he definitely needs his own show! Boot Scarborough
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 12:36 AM by denimgirly
Cenk is definitely interesting to watch
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:38 AM
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48. Ratigan is pretty goddamn good in his own right. Have you ever........
.........taken the time to watch more than 5 minutes of one his shows? I do agree though that Cenk should have his own show.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:04 PM
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66. Agreed..Ratigan is Good -- Keep him.
i like him
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:57 PM
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116. Yes, Thew BOTH Should Have A Show!! Dylan Is Good Friends With Cenk, Thus
he fills in for him. But Cenk is GREAT too! Many here have said they can't stand Ratigan, but I began watching him when he was on at 9:00 AM about 6 months ago. Then he moved to 4:00 and I don't like missing his show.

He's very straight forward and calls it like he sees it! His comment about Truman and giving them hell is especially good! I can't recall the exact words right now, but at the end he quotes Truman and says... "no, I just tell the truth, and they thinks it's hell!"

I've even been attacked here for supporting him, but no matter I think BOTH of them in tandem are fabulous!!

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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:50 PM
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114. a lot where hoping he'd get the 10pm slot, after
Rachel.

Personally, I like Dylan.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 09:58 PM
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2. Republicans are going to renege on their debt to the American people
They put Bernie Madoff in jail... yet they are going to let all these greasy Republican Bankers off the hook with our money?

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:17 PM
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83. Bernie Madoff?
Hell, "they" put Martha Stewart in jail for FAR less than ALL those fuckers ("greasy Republican Bankers") do before breakfast every single day.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:00 PM
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3. When I clicked to Rec this video it went to 6 Recs
I know there were five before mine but it sure felt good for a second to imagine how it would feel to Rec something 6 times.

Cenk was priceless. Talk about taking names and kicking ass.
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:08 PM
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4. Excellent !..
Wow , that was great, And I'm glad at the beginning you keep
your famous " Of COOORRRSSSEE ", Perfect !!!!!!!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:20 PM
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5. OMFG WHAT AN ASS KICKING!!!! nt
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indy legend Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:22 PM
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6. Cenk is awesome. That's what a Progressive Democrat is supposed to look like.
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:31 PM
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7. Proud K & R
That smarmy, smirking, sum-ma-ma-bitch puke was getting more and more pissy as the whole thing went on. And. it. was. b. e. a. yoo-tiful! Let's all hope M$NBC keeps giving Cenk the love he deserves! Long live the TYT Army!
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:25 AM
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61. Outstanding
This is how you respond to fascist mouthpieces.

Why the Dems don't train candidates for this kind of pitched opposition instead of the milquetoast speedbumps that are most officeholders, should lead people to an obvious conclusion about the Party's priorities.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:38 PM
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86. The SOB kept saying Cenk was making SS a political issue.
Well it is a political issue. The Regressives want to cut it and the Progressives want keep it where it belongs. That's politics.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:33 PM
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8. Sharing far and wide! THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:38 PM
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9. He rough talked him and run 'im off!
GIT! GIT! GIT!!!
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:19 AM
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33. lol
I remember that..he got Ratigan to say it
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:41 PM
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10. Recommended big time.
Cenk, if you read this. If you're ever in the Mid-Missouri area, I want to buy you a beer and a steak for that!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 10:53 PM
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11. OMG -- Cenk rocks! We need people to confront the republicans like this. Take no prisoners!
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:10 PM
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12. Fantastic! Posting this and sending it out!
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:18 PM
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13. +100000000000 Give the man a prime time slot already!
Awsome...Simply awsome.

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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:14 AM
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24. And I'd like to add...
If f---in' FOX News is going to be a part of basic cable everywhere, then make MSNBC part of basic cable as well. It is b------t that nearly everyone has access to FOX and you have to pay for the privilege of having MSNBC. Glenn Beck is free (if I have cable or satalite) but I have to pay for Rachel? Gimme a break!
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:36 PM
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14. Whoooooa! GO CENK!!!
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ILFightinDem Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:39 PM
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15. +1 Recommended
Not sure I'm on board with the 'of couuuurse' (that killed him the one time he was on Countdown w/ Keith...he never got back on the show, from what I remember - at least with Keith hosting). I know it's pretty much a signature line for him, but I just don't find it 'funny' when I hear it.

That being said - he's spot on with the argument, and I'm glad Dylan (?) chose him to get a bit of a break - he recognizes Cenk's advocacy on our behalf. I see an afternoon slot for Cenk in about a year, or whenever Andrea Mitchell decides she's had enough. (shame that there won't be any more prime-time slots for awhile, but Lawrence should do good things with his upcoming show - if anyone's still up to watch it).

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:58 PM
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17. Agreed
I always found the "of cooooourse" thing irritating as well.
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jennied Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:44 PM
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16. "Contempt for America" - WTF
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 11:59 PM
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18. That was amazing
He didn't let that smirking jerk get away with anything and his points were clear and concise. You can't let these people talk circles around you and a lot journalists let them get away with it. Good for Cenk. I think we'll being a lot more of him on MSNBC (doubt that republican will be back though).
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:11 AM
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133. More of Cenk on MSNBC
You can also watch Cenk on MSNBC every Tuesday at 4:45pm ET on The Dylan Ratigan Show and every Friday after 3pm ET on MSNBC Live.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:03 AM
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20. The guest does something that always makes me want to hit people
This is something that never fails to make me see red and get blood pounding in my ears; when people can't present a convincing counter-argument so they resort to saying "that'll work" in a snarky voice and gurning at the camera. I could understand if it was only employed on people making absurd statements (say, Tom Cruise) but it's almost always employed as a way of avoiding admitting defeat in an argument. I saw John Bolton do it to Tony Benn (legendary elder statesman of the British left) and it made me want to beat him to death with a shovel.
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:24 AM
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25. K&R
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:44 AM
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26. Thank you, Cenk. Finally, a Republican had to admit he wants to cut
Social Security so that he can save the tax cuts for the very rich. Shame on that man. I will say it once again, the average Social Security benefit is less than $1200 per month.

As one who has been asked by elderly people -- family and close friends -- to help them understand their financial matters, I have to say that the average elderly American, let's say a widow in her 70s or 80s, cannot manage her own retirement funds. It is simply too frightening and confusing.

Even many younger Americans do not have the math skills, much less the financial literacy, to make investment decisions. That's just the fact of the matter. I have seen very well educated people, doctors, computer nerds, all kinds of people, take ridiculous risks in the stock market. Having privatized Social Security accounts for the very elderly and for the many potential gambling addicts in the country is an invitation to fraud, manipulation and theft.

The worst of it is that financial advice should only and can only be given by a licensed person trained to do that, and their services cost a lot of money. The whole privatization of Social Security is just another Wall Street scam. The people who advocate for that should be required to visit a home for the elderly and explain the principles of investment to them. It would open their eyes.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:08 AM
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27. So we're just supposed to forget the politicians spent our
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 04:22 AM by Daphne08
hard-earned Social Security money and/or gave it to the wealthy in tax cuts??

Fat chance, GOP bozo!

If Obama and Dems allow this to happen, they will never be forgiven.

I LOVE Cenk! He definitely needs his own show.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:25 PM
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126. Yea, and let's not forget;
that O'bama is still keeping that asswipe Simpson. Maybe Simpson has something on O'bama that would get the prez in big trouble. No other reason for keeping Simpson. O'bama must be losing his mind.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:27 AM
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28. That's the model.
Cenk just demonstrated the outrage we each have to demonstrate or otherwise the thieves will not honor their responsibility to the working men and women of the U.S.

That Republican was a creep. He would not admit that we used the social security surplus on tax cuts for the rich and wars of choice.

It would have been one thing if the trust fund was raided in a true emergency but it was raided to line the pockets of millionaires. For this reason alone it should remain fully funded if they have to tax the wealthy into poverty.
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demi moore Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:47 AM
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30. America..
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 04:47 AM by demi moore
NAIL THESE FU#KERS HARD!

don't you fu#ki%g dare let these fu#kers take back the power.

kick ass cenk
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:55 AM
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31. Best thing on TV in ages!
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:18 AM
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32. ditto what demi moore said
this empty suit posing as a human being laughed at Cenk's passion for protecting us. Laughed!:mad: God help us if they get back in. This needs to be the democratic platform for the next 2 months. Own the message that republicons will finish off the middle-class and seniors if they regain any power.

Give Cenk his own show please.. put him in at 5pm and leave Mathews at 7. Mathews doesn't need 2 slots.
Hammer time needs to start now.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 05:48 AM
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34. Kicked & Thoroughly Recommended! Cenk made him shit his pants towards the end, he was visibly shakin
Any stats on how the shows Cenk is hosting compare to their regular stats yet?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:29 AM
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35. kick
eom
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:31 AM
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37. Fucker admitted that cutting SS for grandma is fine, but eliminating tax cuts for rich is wrong.
That's your choice America.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:33 AM
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38. That was a thing of beauty
K&R
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:37 AM
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39. That smug, smarmy, smily republican jerk made me sick to my stomach.
This is the opposition? We're in a battle of thinking people vs. irritating, mindless fools. Why are they winning?
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #39
50. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:57 AM
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41. k&r--CENK!!!!!!!! you rock
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:11 AM
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42. K&R Love Cenk!
:yourock:
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:27 AM
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43. I was so
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 08:29 AM by LatteLibertine
glad Cenk put his foot up that fellow's ass when he pulled out that old tired line, "You don't respect the troops." As if sending them somewhere to die so some folks can pocket money via war profiteering is "respect". Also look at who wants to spend money on vets when they come home with things like health care and the GI bill. It isn't the GoP.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:37 AM
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57. so apparently supporting the troops means giving lots of money to defense contractors.
i wonder how much contributions he gets from defense contractor industry.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:37 AM
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44. Nice to see a Democrat yelling over a Republican for a change...
...well done Cenk. Not just with the yelling either, but with the facts.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:54 AM
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54. Exactly, Dem's need to stay on the side of truth and Cenk did.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:44 PM
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87. Fire in the belly works. People sit up and take notice.
Harry Truman, FDR, JFK had it. Obama and all the rest of the soft talkers should take a clue.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:58 AM
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45. He's not telling the $4 trillion of FOREIGN bondholders "It's already spent. Too bad!"
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 08:59 AM by Faryn Balyncd



The RW, including the leadership of Simpson/Bowles, is ONLY saying that about the $2.5 trillion in Teasury bonds held by the SS Trust fund.

The whole purpose of issuing the bonds was, of course, to spend the funds, with repayment guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the United States.

But the reason the RW wants to permanently default on the bond holdings of the SS Trust fund is so that the burden of non-SS government expenditures (including the deficits of wars, bailouts & corporate welfare) be paid by a REGRESSIVE payroll & self-employment tax rather than by a (mildly) progressive income tax.





The net effect of using payroll & self-employment taxes for general expenditures is a HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax system:


This can be illustrated by the fact that the highest marginal tax rate if felt by a middle class American earning $106,800/year. This middle class American pays a marginal income tax rate of 28%, plus FICA tax of 12.4% (whether this is paid as a 12.4% self-employment tax, or as double 6.2% deductions from wages, the tax burden is identical) and Medicare tax of 2.9% on his/her entire income, for a total federal marginal tax rate of 43.3%.

Meanwhile, those in the supposedly top tax bracket (earning over $373,650/year in regular earned income) pay a marginal income tax rate of 35%, but have a 2.9% Medicare tax and zero% FICA tax on income over $106,000, thus yielding a total federal marginal tax rate of 37.9%.

(And at the same time, interestingly, an American trust fund baby with an income of $1,000,000/year consisting totally of long term capital gains pays a 15% capital gains tax, zero FICA tax, and beginning in 2013, a 3.8% Medicare tax, for a total federal marginal tax rate of 18.8%.)



The net effect of defaulting on the SS Trust fund bonds in order to permanently steal FICA tax revenue to pay general (non-SS) federal expenditures which rightfully should be paid from INCOME TAX revenues, is a tax system that is mildly progressive IN NAME ONLY, but is, in reality a REGRESSIVE tax system which extracts the greatest tax burden from the middle class in order to avoid taxing the top 1-2%.




That is the reality that these right wing propagandists are promoting when they promote the bogus line "It's already been spent. Too bad!" in regard to the $2.5 trillion in Treasury bonds held by the SS Trust fund (but never make that statement in regard to the $4 trillion in Treasury bonds held by Chinese, Saudi, and other foreign holders of U. S. bonds).





:kick:





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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:14 AM
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46. damn straight
and thank you for pointing that out.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:47 PM
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88. Thank you.
v
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:36 AM
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47. I got up this morning depressed as usual about the situation this..........
.......country is going. I saw this short video (unfortunately I missed the show yesterday) and my blood is boiling and I have at least a little hope again for SS. Cenk is fucking a liberal ass kicker!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:47 AM
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51. Republicans are Full-of-it.... they are out to screw those who can't defend themselves
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 09:53 AM by fascisthunter
without a government to protect us.

Hey pukes, yeah you! You know why your idiot reps say they want small gov, it's so their rich friends can run all over you suckers.

Notice how he was losing the debate and tried pulling out the "you hate our military" meme. Funny thing is, he's the one willing to send our soldiers into wars for the wealthy class... as if he gives a fuck about the military and their lives. Sociopath...
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Stellar Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:48 AM
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52. WOW, Cenk went ballistic on him!
:bounce: :mad: - He's a very passionate guy...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:53 AM
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53. FANTASTIC !!!!!
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Joey Kidd Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:22 AM
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55. Great !
K&R
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:28 AM
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56. Go Cenk!
Man, he wiped the floor with that guy!!

Their double talk doesn't work with Cenk,
he cuts right through the crap and states
FACTS- hard, cold facts that scare the crap
out of uber RWingers.

K&R!
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Beams1969 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:23 AM
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59. I'm going to catch hell for this....
But Cenk is much better than this interview, which was one of his worst in my opinion. He constantly spoke over the guy and didn't let him make a coherent point. Cenk is much better when he gives them enough rope and let's them hang themselves. I appreciate his passion, but he can't let it get the better of him.

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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:47 AM
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63. I agree, we'll both catch shit
Watching 2 people scream at each other isn't my idea of discourse. If you don't want to hear what the other guy has to say, don't engage him in conversation. This looks like Cenk took a page right out of the 'how to get ratings' book from Fox.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:07 PM
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76. What good is a dry, wonkish conversation if people fall asleep watching it?
Or I should say, most people.

I agree that appeals to emotion by themselves are empty, but if you pair them with solid facts (which is exactly what was done here) they are much more powerful than dry, wonkish statement of facts (again, for most people).
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:48 PM
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79. I wouldn't call Maddow emotionless
I think that conversation is far more powerful than a shouting match. I've never seen her go off like that.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:51 PM
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80. It's important to have different styles represented on the MSM precisely for that reason.
Different styles and approaches appeal to and reach different audiences. The wider variety of progressive voices we have out there (some dry, some funny, some fiery, some all of the above at times and some in between) the better off we are.
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:52 PM
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81. you make a good point n/t
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:37 PM
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97. His premise was that the Republicans need to see our outrage.
Naturally, he chose to demonstrate that. I think it was a deliberate, considered choice.
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Beams1969 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:04 PM
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91. Because mature conversation is impossible if people are shouting
over each other. We are adults talking about issues of world import. If people can't pay attention for more than 5 minutes without some type of drama, true constructive dialogue will never happen. This shouldn't be entertainment, and people wanting a clear and intelligent discussion shouldn't be expecting it to be.

Again, I respect Cenk's passion. He just needs to channel it so he doesn't look like he is as bad as Fox News, which he did in this clip, imo.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:48 PM
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90. No fire in your belly ?
Wussy doesn't get anywhere.
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Beams1969 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:23 PM
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95. Then don't complain about Billo, Beck, Savage or Limbaugh
The next time they fly off the handle.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:25 PM
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96. Except they're wrong on the substance.
Whereas Cenk combines fire with facts in this video (see surplus, CBO, bond comparison, etc.). The difference is enormous.
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Beams1969 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:01 PM
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101. Except he is 1000 times better when he stays cool
and let's the right wing hang themselves with their own lack of facts and hysterics. In this clip, he constantly asks questions and then talks over the guy before letting him get out an answer to fully hang himself with. I'm not going to do a play by play analysis, but I will turn this stuff off just as fast as the right wing clips I can never get through because they are screaming and yelling. If you have the facts, you don't need to scream and yell.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:05 PM
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107. "If you have the facts, you don't need to scream and yell."
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 06:40 PM by ihavenobias
Sadly that only applies to a relatively small percentage of the population. Believe me, I wish that weren't the case.

But it's incredibly obvious that the majority of people respond much more strongly to appeals to emotion than dry facts, logic and statistics.

Fox and others in the right wing media fire people up over lies, smears and propaganda. I say we fire them up over facts and the truth. But the key phrase is "fire them up", not put them to sleep.
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Beams1969 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:53 PM
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115. But in TYT clips, I have never seen Cenk like that.
I can see he is being groomed for a spot on MSNBC full-time, but if I were him I would really question what direction he wants to go in. Maybe he feels he has to do that because he doesn't have a full three hours. Maybe the producers are pushing him to be that way because they think it will sell advertising. For me personally (and I don't get TV, so I only watch clips), I will turn off anyone who starts yelling over the guests. Excuse the redundancy, but it just turns me off. Just my two cents.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:40 PM
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128. You haven't seen this clip then...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:41 PM
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98. I rarely listen to Billo, Savage and never Limbaugh. I don't
complain about them, I just file their crap under CRAP. But I do know when they 'fly off the handle' they lose the argument because it doesn't hold any water. Cenk didn't lose his argument because what he said was the truth.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 12:07 PM
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134. To compare Cenk with the false propaganda on FAKE News is beyond pathetic
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urgk Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:24 AM
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60. Weiner figured it out. Grayson figured it out. Now Cenk....
Democrats are pissed off. About Americans being treated like commodities.

And we want to hear it from our leaders. You (the leadership) go after them, point out every injustice, every lie, every time they put profit over morality, and you will get our unwavering support.
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pezDispenser Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:43 AM
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62. why are these assholes given a public forum to spew their shit?
Why does MSNBC, or any of the news magazine programs give these guys air time? Take the Gregory/Boehner exchange about the tax cuts not being paid for on Meet the Press a couple of week ago. Boehner just waffles for 5 minutes with Gregory pushing him as much as he can on a Sunday morning NBC show. Why does Boehner get invited back? If he's not going to answer questions, why give him a public forum?

I get that Cenk yelling at some old congressman is good for ratings - people love vitriol, even on MSNBC. But how is watching the orange man waffle 5 minutes good for ratings? I guess its the appropriate amount of vitriol for a Sunday morning.
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big lu Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:57 AM
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64. K&R!! That was beautiful.
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big lu Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 11:59 AM
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65. What's up Bob McEwen's face?
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 12:01 PM by big lu
It looks like someone got annoyed with his smarmy attitude and punched his eye out.
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Thav Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:11 PM
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67. Did anyone catch this:
<Cenk> Can you give me your word...
<McCewen> I wouldn't trust it.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:24 PM
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69. LOL -- Wow i didnt catch that!
good catch!
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:14 PM
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68. Fuck that crook!
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:30 PM
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70. God - it's about fucking time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why is it that we have
to listen to hour upon hour upon hour of RW crap all over cable but the only real, true, honest challenge to the RW noise machine is a blogger who just has a limited chance to guest host a couple of shows? (Don't get me wrong - I'd love it if Cenk were given his own program, right along with Keith and Rachel, but I don't think it'll happen - he's too much of a truthteller for the corporate networks ever to buy into)
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:39 PM
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71. K & F**kin' R!
Thanks Cenk! That's how one handles the Rs (and a few Dems too).

:thumbsup:
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bc3000 Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:40 PM
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72. I'm usually not his biggest fan, but he kicked some butt there
More people should tell it like it is: The Republicans, with the aid of Democrats, want to steal our money. We paid it. It's ours and they are trying to steal it from us.
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boycottfaux Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:06 PM
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75. Too late . .
They already stole it!!

And they still have the audacity to bring up privatizing
social security to further stick it to the people who wait
patiently each month for their checks to pay bills and buy
food . .

Imagine if it had been privatized??
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:00 PM
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82. Cenk's heart is in the right place. Please keep giving him a fair hearing.
:hi:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 12:58 PM
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73. Republicans will screw the American People over every time can, all they
care about are the mega-wealthy.

That Republican smelled like a slick con-man all the way through my computer and all he could do was bait and switch.

Thanks for the thread, denimgirly.

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:35 PM
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77. Love the way Cenk handled this schiester.
Two wars can be paid for with social programs for those countries
but not for ours. Because Republicans don't make money on ours.
They take our taxes and then make money with the MIC overseas.
These assholes have ripped us off for too long. Thanks Cenk for
shutting this ass down.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 01:46 PM
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78. cenk ROCKS! he has the facts and never backs down or takes any BS
i like how the Repuke kept trying to reframe and cherry pick Cenk's argument into worn out Republican talking myths about Democrats and policy. Raise reasonable taxes for the rich= Dems want to raise YOUR taxes. Too much money spent on defence industry= you don't support our men and women in uniform (ie not a patriot). what a sleazy shiney toothed shithead. Cenk is on fire- keep it up!

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:36 PM
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85. Get em Cenk, you magnificent bastard you.
This is my kind of professional liberal.K&R
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:48 PM
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89. Rethugs act like a crack addict who has their pipe taken away whenever defense cuts are mentioned.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:06 PM
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92. If only Obama showed half that passion in opposing the GOP. n/t
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Joey Kidd Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:14 PM
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93. +1 n/t
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:20 PM
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94. Just loves how this
Republican tries to pat Cenk on the head and tells him, "now, now you are being childish" and that Democrats should just roll over and let Republicans do what ever they wish, because they are the "ADULTS".

Just makes you want to hit him on the head with a rolled up WALL STREET JOURNAL!

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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:46 PM
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99. Thank God!
About time someone blasted their asses.....and not in a wishy washy way.
If the dems want to turn the mid-terms around, this is the script!
SS is a hot button topic for all people, except the rich.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 03:56 PM
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100. Just....beautiful
Makes me cry to see the difference between a real progressive and those that "handle" the look-forward Democratic party.

The anger that we all have felt in Bush's 2 terms, all the horrors, seemed to be there in Obama the campaigner. He was fiery, passionate. Sadly Obama the President looks nothing like that anymore. Perhaps many voted for Obama because they mistook that fire in his eyes and passion in his voice to mean that he was angry at the previous administration for abusing their positions and destroying the economy along with everyone else on the left. We wanted an Obama who would keep up that anger and passion, as Cenk displays here. Instead we get weak-kneed capitulations and a circle of right wing advisers.
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designforce Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:10 PM
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102. WTF
This guy is a smug bastard.

I think I bought a used car from him in 1973.

What a piece of work.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:24 PM
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103. K&R. We need Cenk on MSNBC on a regular basis...
Which he almost is... ;) Great segment! :kick:
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:33 PM
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104. The pasted-on smile on that douchebag was him enjoying a shit sandwich.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 04:50 PM
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105. That's My Turk !!!
:bounce::woohoo::bounce:

:yourock:

:evilgrin:
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:00 PM
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106. Only heated on Cenk's part. That freep reminded me of John Huston in Chinatown.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:06 PM
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108. go Cenk! nt
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:08 PM
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109. Message to Cenk:
Krugman did an excellent analysis to dispel the myth based on we are living longer and therefore benefits need to be cut. This is the myth that damn congressman was just spreading.

Please check out Krugmans recent blog posts and articles on social security.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:15 PM
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110. And that's how to confront
a Republican jerkoff.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:23 PM
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111. Don't mess with a Cenk-yard dog!
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:41 PM
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112. Even thought I like the messenger......
It seems to me that more then one Democrat signed up for the Bush tax cuts and signed up for the IWR.... Its hard to take a real political stand on those things when many in your own party are just as much to blame.

It's the same with Obama very disappointing that he did not stand on Progressive Principles... by his running to the Right he is going to cause much more harm....

Many people don't get it they don't see the danger, but the meme has been written, now centrists are identifying Obama as a far leftwing politician.

It is giving the Conservatives ammunition to re-define the center of politics in America and that center is seriously slipping to the Right.... it is setting the stage for a radical rightwing Conservative to take charge someone that will do even more harm then Raygun did.... and the Irony is that they will not back down from their principles, like some in our party do, nope they will slash every govt and social aid program there is claiming that it was all wasted dollars on lazy people that need to get jobs and tax cuts to the rich will allow the rich to hire those people at slave labor rates, then they will destroy Public education and they will call for privatization of everything from medicare to Social security....

Danger, danger, danger.... I feel a Tsunami coming...
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 06:42 PM
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113. My GAWD That Repuke Was A Smiling SNAKE
and Cenk put his foot so far up that man's ass that I could see the shoelaces through the cracks in that evil smile.

THIS is what I want to see from Dems. This is how we can win - not be inflaming Islamophobia and Xenophobia, but by KICKING REPUBLICAN ASSES.

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:15 PM
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117. That asshole just committed treason.
"Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:21 PM
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118. What an asskicking!
:rofl:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:33 PM
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119. WE NEED CHENK. I am so friggin tired of Democrats pussy-footing around and kissing Republican asses
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 07:58 PM
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120. You can thank Cenk On Twitter...
I sent him a nice note on this. Just tweet @cenkuygur. (By the way he is following me, can't believe it! I have told him many times that we on DU just love his stuff!) I also follow @AnaKasparian and @TYT!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:11 PM
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121. FYI
Cenk is @theyoungturks.

Ana you got right, but you forgot to include @ihavenobias

;)
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:19 PM
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122. cool! I will add
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 08:21 PM by AsahinaKimi
Thanks! I am @AsahinaKimiko, please add me!
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maddiemom Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 08:23 PM
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123. previous post re: bob mcewen
Wow, you just disappointed and probably lost a fan. You don't post anything at all critical? In all honesty, I just wanted to know why you came up with Bob McEwen, a has- been loser who was all too easy for you to kick butt on. I was curious and checked him out. How did you come up with this easy target? It doesn't follow the positive image I had for you. My post regarding his background was dropped.

Maddiemom
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:35 PM
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127. He has it RIGHT ON
they cut Social Security
and they are TOAST
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:57 PM
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129. K&R
I want to see Cenk interview Simpson!
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:18 PM
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130. EMAIL MSNBC NOW!
Edited on Wed Sep-01-10 10:28 PM by Steely_Dan
Tell them that they need to give Cenk his own show. And make sure to tell them that you will tune in every day if he is given more air time on MSNBC. Do it now!

-P

Here is their email: nbcnews@msnbc.com
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zeos3 Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:47 PM
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132. KICK!
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