Reporter: "Entire communities where they're vomiting blood" -- "Massive, massive disasters"

[Generic Other]

Run time: 00:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVSRd1ufzU   Posted on YouTube: September 18, 2010 By YouTube Member: OilFlorida Views on YouTube: 310   Posted on DU: September 18, 2010 By DU Member: Generic Other Views on DU: 8385

 
Dahr Jamail Interview, Intel Hub Radio, September 17, 2010:

Full interview here: http://theintelhub.com/2010/09/17/dahr-jamail-and-dr-betty-dr-betty-martini-on-the-intel-hub/

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Horrifying.

And is the MSM covering it?

Hell no.

:mad:

[Generic Other]

2. So many people in denial about the situation

I don't profess to know much. I am simply afraid for the health of people I love.

[Desertrose]

3. Covering what now?

Shame on our so called "media".

No excuse not to have numerous reporters actually reporting instead of spinning. Makes me sick.

[Raster]

6. Worse yet: do we hear our government saying anything about this?

Washington DC is in collusion with BP.

[bherrera]

23. I would be laughing a lot

If I were a government official, I would be laughing a lot about this. It is a posting designed for the gullible who are biased in a certain direction by previous mind conditioning. They feed you what you want to hear, but it's a lie.

[suzanner]

36. Source?

Please back up you statement.

[bherrera]

40. I suggest you read the official government response website

I suggest you read the following US government website. After you do some extensive reading, you will understand a lot of the information you see in the blogs is false. I think DU editors are very irresponsible to post this evidently false report in a prominent place. This is critical because a lot of the information is used to attack the Democratic government prior to a critical election in November. Thus I believe this is part of a Republican undercover agent conspiracy action.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/

[veganlush]

69. I'm with you

..this post doesn't pass the smell test. hyperbole to say the least.

[mahina]

122. the 'editors' did not post it in a prominent place dear.

[bherrera]

144. DU runs so anybody can post a video in the initial page top?

If there's no editorial control over which video is posted in the top of the first page then there should be. The videos seem to be good, but this one is not, it is evidently a lie. Like a friend said, this does not pass the smell test.

[librechik]

163. everybody starts at the top, then descends as new videos are added

or comments don't bump them back to the top.

[caledesi]

142. it is not a government site! .com?? FOR PROFIT. NT

[L0oniX]

78. Are you saying that there are no ill effects on humans from the chemicals used on the Gulf?

Maybe this video is a hoax but how about you tell me just how far BP would go to cover up? Keep in mind that BP is a major supplier of fuel to the military. Don't you think that maybe the gov has a national security interest with BP too? Maybe both have motive to cover up? ...and haven't they already blacked out the press and stopped fly overs and block beach access? Maybe there is reason to believe we are being lied to or mislead. If the gov lied to us about Iraq don't you think they would lie to us again? It seems that you trust our government more than many of us do.

[bherrera]

147. The video is a hoax

It is very simple. This video is not even a video. And yes it is a hoax. And yes many of you are then using this type of material to attack President Obama, who is a very good man.

The US government has no national security interest in connection to BP, because the US government can purchase fuel from dozens of oil companies. This idea you propose shows a certain lack of knowledge, I think.

Now you must tell us, what is the exact nature of what BP covers up? That "whole communities vomit blood?". You have to believe in little green men from Mars living in the White House if you believe this type of garbage. BP of course tries to hide things which will make it pay a higher fine. The government, which is very interested in charging a high fine and putting people in jail if they can, is working hard to make sure BP does not hide anything. Do you know why? Because it is a Democratic administration, and it knows very well the people who vote for them are the type of people who will love to see BP pay a lot of fine dollars, and some BP people go to jail if possible.

I live in Spain, and I definitely feel outraged because these guys from BP did this. I will not buy anything from BP. I will not accept anything from them, they can give me a free shirt with the BP sign on it, and do you think i will wear that thing? But I do see many of you mix the Obama administration with BP, and take the idea of this government conspiracy to a very far corner. It is not realistic, and it just makes people sound like crazy types.

[earth mom]

126. The only thing you got right is that there is a shitload of sociopaths in Washington DC

who only care about covering their own a$$e$-the people be damned!

The rest of your post is pure propaganda.

Who do you work for? :puke:

[bobbolink]

90. Hey! The well is capped--problem solved.

And, if I talk here on DU about the disability purge, the demand is to "prove it".

So, we "progressives" are part of the denial problem, the same as the media.

[Grinchie]

108. After all , he read it on the Government Web site., and they would never misrepresent...

I love how the Propagandist like to lean on and depend heavily on sources that have been proven to be wholly political entities, able to manipulate data a millions ways to suit their needs, and even fire whistleblowers that contest the message they are sending.

The posters above are typical spoonfed consumers that don't bother to read the toxic ingrediants of what they are consuming. But, that's the beauty of Propaganda.. They appear somewhat reasonable to the other lazy, trusting sheep that gobble up everything they hear without bothering to actually do the research themselves.

As for me, I feel toxic effects if I have to breathe Diesel exhaust for more than a few minutes, so I know that the poor people on the Gulf of subjected to this nasty shit on a 24 hour basis whether they want to or not.

[Control-Z]

4. Are these communities being silenced??

If I were part of those communities I'd be screaming it from the rooftops.

[JoeyT]

16. On what medium?

If papers won't print it, radio won't say it, and TV won't air it, they don't have much of a way to speak up.
None of the above are going to print/say/air it because it will cost them their greenwashing dollars.

[bherrera]

35. If they do not print it, say it, or air it, it doesn't exist

maybe you should consider a more reasonable option, that this report is a falsehood, and is created to undermine President Obama's administration. I suspect many of these unfounded panic-inducing reports are made by Republicans who want to create a lack of support for the Democratic Party.

[Name removed]

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[TheEuclideanOne]

66. Let me throw this one on you.

Since it is easier to prove that something does exists as opposed to something that doesn't exist and since we are in a world where bloggers can easily show what is going on, even if the media is trying to cover it up, can you point me to some links of people in communities vomitting blood? The video in this post is way too short to show anything. IMHO, if people are vommitting blood, it is very hard to shut them up. I know that if my life was at risk due to something that BP had caused, I would be pretty damn bold about letting the world know. After all, I may die and I may certainly be unable to work. My hunch is that this story is absolutely true and I would not be surprised to see a rash of deaths resulting from the oil spill and dispersants in the upcoming year, but I am also very swayed by physical evidence.

[Generic Other]

82. Here's a few links to specific cases I was able to find

Five patients exposed to oil via “ingestion” — “Complaining of oil-caused symptoms”
At least 258 Alabama residents have reported suspected oil-related health issues, Press-Register, September 17, 2010:

* Free Clinic troubled by MASSIVE increase of patients in New Orleans, Gulf region — “It’s QUITE DISTURBING to me” (VIDEO)
* Doctors treat toxic illness from burning oil, fumes and dispersants; Pregnant women, asthmatics most at risk

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/five-patients-exposed-oil-ingestion-complaining-oil-caused-symptoms


"Brown SH*T leaking out of his ears for 4 months" -- Legs have holes the size of pencils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwGHdnJNHMI

Blood tests on Gulf residents show ethylbenzene, other hydrocarbons -- "Everyone is getting sick"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FWQTgEqu5E

BP Oil Spill Poisoning People. Video presented at Netroots Nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSuqTOJM3s

DN! 86 People Reported Sick in Louisiana and Alabama from Oil Spill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfh-tHn4jsM

Gulf Oil Disaster: BP Cover Up of Sick Humans and Dead Animals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0YbVpuDwfQ

Gregg Hall aka PcolaGregg Tests Positive For Gulf Oil Spill Toxins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ENiZ9v24c

Blood beach is back with a big impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVZD_VEdkU

Independent lab tests reveal toxic dispersant in Gulf waters, Government denies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muh-nJVhVEE

FDA says CATTLE from areas along the Louisiana coast can’t be sold for 6 MONTHS and must have extensive testing
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/fda-cattle-louisiana-islands-be-sold-6-months-extensive-testing-video

Alabama woman who used to be an oyster shucker is “collecting cans” for a living — Now can’t sell the aluminum because of “illness” AND having difficulty paying for medication
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/alabama-woman-be-oyster-shucker-collect-sells-eggs-only-2000-bp-state-removes-150month-food-stamps-after

[TheEuclideanOne]

92. You didn't really make your case here.

You did make the case that people are getting sick as a result of BP, Corexit and the oil related damage, but the headline reads "Entire communities are vommiting blood" and, thankfully, there is no evidence to show that, based on what you have shown me. Maybe I am too litral of a person, but where I hear "Entire communities vommiting blood", I get a pretty ugly visual in my head. Sure, in the videos you pointed me to, there is clear evidence that people are getting sick, but we already know that. The videos you referenced are by individuals who are going against the the folks at BP who are running our country and our media, which means if it was something as horrible as the headline indicated, we would see more videos by the same types of people. Think about it... "Entire communities vommitting blood?!?!!?" Holy fucking shit!

I am an evidence oriented person and if somebody says that there are "Entire communities vomitting blood", you really need to show some evidence of that and something like that should not be hard to find if it is true. If it is not, then by making statements like that, it hurts the cause of dealing with hundreds of people who may very well die 20 years down the line as a direct result of this. My point is that there is enough evidence of legitimate attrocities related to BP to have to add sensational headlines that are in the worst case, lies, but in the best case exaggerations.

[Generic Other]

112. I contacted him myself asking him to respond to this thread

Why don't you do it too? I would love to hear what he has to say. Wouldn't you?

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/contact

Dahr Jamail reports for "Truthout" and "Democracy Now." He is an award winning independent journalist.

FYI: The title of the clip is not my doing. The rules for this forum require that the titles be listed as found.

[TheEuclideanOne]

116. Brilliant idea

I just contacted him as well and sent him my Username and the URL of this thread. I do realize that the title of the clip is not something that you made up, but the quote from the video. I would love to very much love to hear his thoughts on this. Then again, there is that expression "be careful what you wish for". I also did not realize his background as a journalist and that does give him much more credibility, IMHO.

[bherrera]

165. Then you should not use the clip

"Entire communities vomiting blood" is garbage. You should not use the clip if its garbage like this clip.

[TheEuclideanOne]

169. Insecure, are you?

I have run into people like you in person. They just think that people do not respect what they say, so they say it again and again and again, as if quantity is more important than quality. If you make a mediocre point, it does not become any more intelligent, even if you say it 20 times. 20 mediocre points do not add up to 1 brilliant statement. If it did, you would be considered a genius by now. Unfortunately, Mediocrity is still mediocrity.

So.....everybody gets it, alright!..... you think it is a lie and you don't like the clip. Everybody got the message the first 50 times you said it. So quit annoying everybody...get out of your parents house for a few hours (maybe take a walk) before they take the internet away from you. Maybe there is a coffee house nearby where you can annoy people in person. You can certainly come back in a few hours and find other threads to hijaak.

[bherrera]

145. Very well written, my friend

Entire communities vomiting blood is similar to a joke. I think it could be called sarcasm? I must add, this guy posted only "evidence" from two site types, youtube and floridaoilspillaw. But youtube videos are not good proof, they amount to claims without supporting evidence. And the floridaoilspillaw site is a site designed to collect money. It posts items to attract a certain audience, and if you notice there is a prominent place to donate, and they also sell shirts, etc. It is what is termed a scam site.

[Capitalocracy]

79. Did you just say if the media doesn't report it it doesn't exist?

Wow, you're very trusting of mainstream corporate media and very skeptical of the people who are ignored by them trying to get their stories out.

I'm skeptical of both, but while Fox News is the only one that's famous for blatantly lying, the mainstream media is famous for shaping reality through omission.

[JoeyT]

95. In what universe does

"These people are all lying about vomiting blood because they want to undermine our president!" count as a reasonable position?
It sounds like nutty conspiracy theory to me.

Of course I'm sure someone in Spain would know far more about the problems of the Gulf than the people that actually live on the Gulf.

[Grinchie]

110. Hah hah ha - No one needs to "Undermine" this administration

It is highly successful at doing that itself.

[TheEuclideanOne]

121. Maybe that is because you are from Spain

"If they do not print it, say it or air it, it doesn't exists" :rofl:

If you follow American politics, you will realize just how naive and uneducated that statement is.

[bherrera]

155. I follow american politics

I was repeating a statement with sarcasm. And the truth is there is always some media reporting this type of problem. if a whole community in the USA starts to vomit blood, I am sure somebody will report it, and it does not remain a stupid photograph of a guy with a sound behind it, in DU.

Also, the point I have made before is well known, you guys are very gullible. And this includes statements for the government, and statements against the government. Or do you think President Obama is from Kenya?

[TheEuclideanOne]

168. Get over yourself.

Seriously. There are people who know alot and there are people who just think that they know alot and I think that you fall into the latter category. Is this the first discussion board you have ever been on? You do realize that people can read the whole discussion, not just your reply to them. At least act like you have been on discussion boards before. You make a good point here and there, but when you keep repeating the same thing over and over again, you just sound like a horse's ass.

[bherrera]

24. No, these communities do not exist

The report is false.

[L.Torsalo]

86. I won't ask you

to prove a negative. I assume you understand why many of us think you might be trolling? One of the prior posts has enough linkage to suggest that BP is covering up the toxicity caused by their negligence.

[Control-Z]

136. How is it you know

these communities do not exist?

[bherrera]

148. Communities vomiting blood in the US?

Because an oil spill located very far offshore does not make "whole communities vomit blood". They could not even vomit blood if they bathe in the Gulf of Mexico. Oil does not make people vomit blood. And this is the point I make, this is a really funny idea this guy had, to make this "video". I think it was sarcasm, to see how many people believed this garbage. And too many of you did believe this. Which made me say you Americans are the most gullible educated people I have seen. And this is why you do things like invade Iraq, you have a tendency to believe things and do not check facts.

[Junkdrawer]

5. Better link to American Freedom Radio....

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Intel_Hub_10.html

[Generic Other]

7. Thanks

For some reason that one wasn't working for me!

[bherrera]

149. Some Local Leaders Blame the Reduction in the Vessels Employed

This is an interesting report on the radio. But this is clearly a quoting people who are very worried because BP is no longer employing the vessels it was using to collect oil. Therefore what we may see here is the intent by people who want to be paid by BP. Listen to the report and you will see the emphasis, including the comments from "anonymous worker". It is clearly people atempting to get money.

I think you should remember this area from Louisiana to Florida is a very core area of Republican party followers, who are going to seek two things:

1) To make money as much as possible. They may even spill oil to then be paid to collect it again.
2) To attack the Obama administration, claim they are owned by BP, and this discourages democratic party voters to vote in November.

This is a trick, guys. You are the victims of scam.

[Generic Other]

8. Even the seagulls won't eat the dead fish!!

That right there speaks volumes.

[Karenina]

9. No one could have imagined...

[Generic Other]

10. Quick notes on the main points of the interview

Manpower needed in LA...fishkills...frustration, helplessness...5 miles by 30 miles of oil...CG said they would test...never responded...BP not upholding obligations...CG says July 16 last time dispersents sprayed...BP says 1.9 million gallons...independent scientists estimate as much as 40 million gallons may have been sprayed...entire communities vomiting blood, passing blood...inland acid rain eating holes in leaves...toxins capable of eating through rubber boots...staging areas of operation where BP uses dispersents all across the Gulf coast, Missippi, Alabama, LA, Florida...bringing in boom to these staging areas, 370 gallon stoarage tanks of corexit loaded onto skiffs that spray the oil...very toxic to bays, inlets, canals, bayous...toxic, carcinogenic...hits oil, sinks oil, in water column, kills fish...even seagulls won't eat the fish in giant fishkills...happening on daily basis...Obama wiollingness to be public affairs flack for BP...photo op in Florida in back bay not Gulf itself...his willingness to play key role for BP disturbing...total nonsense...line between government and corporations has been erased...BP calling shots...using Obama as public spokesman...contractors/skiff operators mostly not wearing protective gear...like the folks in VOO program not protected...effects come later...exxon/valdez workers average age of death 51 years old...out of state contractors in unregistered skiffs some guarded by Guardsmen...out of state contractors doing much of the work...local fisherman unwilling to spray... don't want locals to track what is being done...covering tracks about dispersent operations that have not ceased...covert spraying continues...VOO workers called off from spills would meet out of state skiffs going out to spray the oil...tracking devices on VOO boats to keep fisherman from sharing info...BP calling shots with government, NOAA, etc. Transponders on VOO boats keep the fisherman from skiffs, GC planes that are spraying dispersents...scientists having research shut down...2 commercial fisherman who showed people how feds and state pushing to open waters when oil still in water ...scientists taking sampless...fed agent in unmarked car tried to confiscate samples... Suppressing info, not letting people collect oil, doctors won't discuss BP or dispersents when people trun up sick, lilitarized no-fly zone... citing National Security, stripping civil liberties, points to attempts to limit BP's liability...hide evidence minimizes fines they have to pay...hide devastation, protecting oil drilling in Gulf. BP running the show with Coast Guard, governement...fisherman key point of contact for info...August 16, LA opened waters to shrimp, shrimpers caught none that day...all states that the fishermen catching little to nothing...suppression info may cost lives, rashes, respiratory problems, heart palpitations, massive amount of people exposed to corexit...smaller communities people are talking, acutely aware of problems...no large alarm sounded, so most treating problems on their own...referred to as "BP crud"...most not aware of direct health problems...meetings with public officials seem to break up into riot-like situations...locals angry...seafood having huge economic effect...trying to downplay effect on tourism ... Dahr.org

[madmax]

11. Thank you

Hearing imparied so youtube and radio suck for me. Wonder if TV will have any news - CC is great.

[KT2000]

13. thank you - impressive

wrap up.
Videos don't play well on my computer so this is very much appreciated.

[bherrera]

25. Mere lies

All of this is alarmism and lies. This is meant to undermine President Obama's administration prior to the elections. A right wing conspiracy.

[Richard Steele]

34. Wrong on all counts.

nm

[bherrera]

42. Mere lies

There is no solid evidence to support any of these reports. They are being made without any data, many of them show only a photograph, and some voices which report alarming events, which are not reported anywhere by local media, nor by actual residents who can be identified by name. This is essentially a very coarse and ill-designed set of lies which is used to attack the President Obama administration prior to the elections.

[Drops_not_Dope]

43. You live in Spain?

[Generic Other]

51. See post 48 above

This poster has quite a history of telling us what to say and what to think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=504909

[L.Torsalo]

87. Are you really asking me to believe

ALL these interviews are given by liars, fraudeurs and the mentally ill? You offer nothing more than your opinion. As we say here, "You're talking out your hat."

[kristopher]

104. How do you verify they aren't staged?

[bherrera]

150. Maybe these guys should call the hospitals in the region

See if they report "whole communities vomiting blood" :-)

[chill_wind]

37. Thank you for taking time to summarize. n/t

[snagglepuss]

57. I can't watch videos so your summary is much appreciated.

My thoughts go out to all who are suffering the consequences of this monumental disaster. May all those guilty of malfeasance rot in hell.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. K & R

[tblue37]

14. What? What? What? Can you throw a crumb to those of us who are too deaf to listen to videos on the

internet? Just a brief summary about who is puking blood and where--perhaps even a hint of a cause?

[Generic Other]

17. see post 10...I tried to type as I listened

The corexit they supposedly stopped spraying is making people sick.

[annabanana]

15. Bookmarking this for the purposes of spreading the info.. CLEARLY this isn't

being handled anywhere on CorpoMedia.. even our beloved Keith & Rachel have been silent.

[bherrera]

26. They are silent because these reports are lies

Maybe the alternative is that this report is a lie? I suppose this doesn't enter your mind? Do you notice there is no film, there is no identification of a specific location, there are no comments by real persons which say "I vomited blood? and so on? I live in Europe (Spain) and we are not as naive as you Americans. They feed you something, and you swallow it without questioning it. This is why you were so eager to invade Iraq, once you Americans get an idea fixed, you will run into a brick wall if you have to, but there's no rational thinking process involved, mere reflex due to pre-conditioned brains.

[Webster Green]

32. If you think we were eager to invade Iraq, you're on the wrong board.

You also sound like a know-it-all blow-hard. How the fuck do you know what's going on in the Gulf of Cheney?

[bherrera]

44. Oh yes you were

Yes. The majority of the American people were supporting the invasion of Iraq prior to the invasion. This was reported by polls. The popularity of president Bush increased. And this invasion was supported by politicians and leaders from both parties, including people like Hillary Clinton.

How do I know what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico? I read the US government response website

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/

I also monitor the event because I work for a city in Spain which has a very nice beach, Alicante, therefore I am asked to be aware of any new technology or methods they use to clean the oil spill. I have written emails to scientists who are working in the Gulf of Mexico. Some of them write their emails from the research vessels, and are very busy but are very kind and answer my questions.

If you were more interested in the true facts, then you can start using the government website, which will also send you emails to report the events when they happen.

For example, I received this report this morning:

"The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation, and Enforcement has
confirmed that the cementing operation on the Macondo well was
successful, that the well has been permanently sealed with cement plugs,
and that pressure tests verify the integrity of the plugs.
Oversight of the well now transitions from the National Incident Command
to the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement
under the process laid out in the National Response Framework.
The Department of the Interior and the Bureau of Ocean Energy
Management, Regulation, and Enforcement will oversee the continuing
decommissioning of the Macondo well and its associated relief wells."

If you state this government release is false, then I suspect you are a Republican agent attacking President Obama's admministration. That is all.

[Webster Green]

56. Oh no I wasn't.

We were in the streets in massive numbers protesting the invasion, months before it took place. I was in the streets of San Francisco from March 20th to the 25th, 2003. You are posting on the wrong fucking board!!

As to your suggestion that I only go to US Government websites for my information, well, you've clearly lost your fucking mind.

The gulf and it's residents have been poisoned.

Go report to your bosses at BP, or whatever fucking predator corporation you work for that you failed miserably at Democratic Underground.

Thanks! :hi:

[eShirl]

41. Yes, there are no naive people in Spain.

:eyes:

[bherrera]

45. Yes, there are naive people in Spain, but Americans are more naive

The reality is that in the USA you are isolated, and you do not read very much sources from outside the USA. This isolation leads to insular thinking. You are also impacted by a sense of hubris, what has been called Imperial Hubris, which makes you think you should be policeman of the world. Unfortunately this is coupled to a keen interest in using violence, which was more intense in the past. It is evident the US defeat in Iraq decreased the intensity of the arrogance. I saw the problem become extreme in 1999, when the USA bombed in Kosovo and Serbia, and killed so many innocent people. But I suppose now that you see your forces being defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan you have a more realistic feeling that you can not impose things on other people using brute force all the time.

In Spain we have naive people, who doesn't? But we do not have as many naive people, and we do not act upon naive impulses the way Americans do. We are more cynical, and we do not have an interest in saving the world, or bombing people for human rights. Do not destroy the village to save it, understand?

[Generic Other]

54. Go talk to Sarah Palin if you need to lecture Americans for being pro-war!

We at DU are not the people you have any right to criticize. This is outrageous and proves how little you know about DUers. Millions of Americans protested the war. Most of us (on DU in particular) still oppose the military. We were silenced by people like you working for big corporations and government.

How dare you insult our intelligence! And don't even start with your blather about the clean hands of Spain. Read your history of fascism, your history of colonialism in the New World before you brag about your saintly actions.

[L.Torsalo]

89. Perhaps your analysis is correct.

But attacking the messenger(s) and trying to discredit them through ad hominem attacks hardly bolsters your position or integrity, caballero. I ask you now, how credible are government reports when the issue is controversial? I recall the Aznar gov't racing to judgment about the Atocha Station bombing, declaring it to be ETA. In retrospect, that government communique turned out to be wrong. Independent journalism fills the gap left behind by authoritarian malfeasance or recalcitrance, as
happens too often when corporations try to get the spin they desire for their crimes.

[bherrera]

I think we voted the guy out of office right?

Run time: 00:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVSRd1ufzU   Posted on YouTube: September 18, 2010 By YouTube Member: OilFlorida Views on YouTube: 310   Posted on DU: September 20, 2010 By DU Member: bherrera Views on DU: 8385

 
And the PP lost the election very fast, did they not? And did you find any community vomiting blood yet? And who is stuck in Iraq 7 years later?

[bherrera]

154. I think we voted the guy out of office right?

And the PP lost the election very fast, did they not? And did you find any community vomiting blood yet? And who is stuck in Iraq 7 years later?

[scentopine]

93. LOL! This is great comedy writing. Can you work Franco into the bit?

Spain good, USA bad. I read US Government web site where I become expert about Gulf of Mexico. It is called Gulf of Mexico not Gulf of United States. In Mexico they speak Spanish. I am in Spain. Therefore, I understand Gulf of Mexico. I understand oil.

You naive Americans are worried about little oil spill. I learn from US Govt. website that the oil spill is nothing. They speak the truth. I learned from same US Govt. website that Iraq is bad and must have war. You Americans are so stupid for trusting US Govt with lies. US Govt. attacks Iraq, makes big mess. US Govt. drills for oil in deep water, makes no mess. Read US Govt. website and see for yourself.

Oil spill is not so bad, sacrifices must be made, it is OK to destroy small coast of little people and in order to save the coast with precious oil resource.

Ahahahahahahahah!!!!!! Could not do better if I tried~!!

Maybe I will start reading Spanish government web sites so I can learn the real truth about Spain.

Thank you, good global citizen and Godspeed in your education campaign!

[Generic Other]

100. + 1000

Thanks for a good synopsis of the argument presented.

[Grinchie]

120. Touche` It unfurls the twisted logic into a Comedy/Greek Tragedy..

Well done Scentopine

[Grinchie]

118. And the Strawman is finally unveiled in all it's glory..

The only preconditioned Brain is one that is empty of the knowledge of what this stuff does to living organisms, including you, if you were subjected to it.

The toxic and carcinogenic nature of petroleum is well documented in the literature. It's individuals like you that omit that fact that there are voluminous sets of research that prove it, or you omit that if you spill gasoline on your body it immediately causes cell death, or that Oil applied to the skin can cause localized melanoma in about a month, that are the most condtioned to "Believe" what someone else tells you.

Spain just happens to be part of the Global Ponzi Scheme that is collapsing at the moment, last time I saw. Looks like the Spaniards were just as silly when the Central Banks air dropped trillions of funny money onto you country just like ours.

[earth mom]

128. The point is that the media is NOT reporting the truth.

They are the ones feeding the public the BP propaganda of "nothing to see here, move along".

Brave scientists and whistleblowers are reporting the truth on blogs and in videos like the OP and yet you scoff and say we are being lied to!

Like WTF Dude! You are the one who is clueless about the truth!

It is a FACT that BP has committed massive ECOCIDE of the Gulf of Mexico with their GUSHER and have also POISONED the sea, land and people with Corexit!

Who the hell do you work for because all you do is promote BPs disgusting LIES!!!

Do you watch Fox TV channel in Spain, because it sure sounds like it!!!

[bherrera]

152. The point is that nobody vomits blood

Of course the media lies to you, guys. I never said your media was honest. I said the US government led by President Obama is more honest, and I don't see a reason why they want to hide "whole communities vomiting blood". This is so ridiculous.

I too said nobody with a good common sense believes whole communities vomit blood when an oil spill happens so far away in the ocean. This only shows a lot of sarcasm and gullible people.

[jimlup]

18. Why is there no mainstream media mention?

I know that the mainstream media may be in BP's back pocket but I would expect local news affiliates to cover such a story and then it would leak into the mainstream media. Respectfully, I have to question the source.

Is this legitimate information?

[Sixathome]

19. See link

Found more info on corexit9500
http://www.crocodyl.org/wiki/nalco_holding_company
that's why

[loudsue]

28. Now corporations have unlimited access to the media during elections

So we will only have more & more propaganda to elect more legislators who will give them a pass. Our system of govt is totally broken.

[westerebus]

75. Great link, thanks.

[another saigon]

22. "Is this legitimate information?"

Dahr is one of the best reporters this country has ever produced. That is why you have to hunt to find his reports.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/


Evidence Mounts of BP Spraying Toxic Dispersants

by Dahr Jamail
September 13th, 2010 | T r u t h o u t




Private contractor in Carolina Skiff with tank of Corexit dispersant, August 10, south of Pass Christian Harbor, 9:30 AM. (Photo: Don Tillman)

Shirley and Don Tillman, residents of Pass Christian, Mississippi, have owned shrimp boats, an oyster boat and many pleasure boats. They spent much time on the Gulf of Mexico before working in BP’s Vessels Of Opportunity (VOO) program looking for and trying to clean up oil.

Don decided to work in the VOO program in order to assist his brother, who was unable to do so due to health problems. Thus, Don worked on the boat and Shirley decided to join him as a deckhand most of the days.

“We love the Gulf, our life is here and so when this oil disaster happened, we wanted to do what we could to help clean it up,” Shirley explained to Truthout.

However, not long after they began working in BP’s response effort in June, what they saw disturbed them. “It didn’t take long for us to understand that something was very, very wrong about this whole thing,” Shirley told Truthout. “So that’s when I started keeping a diary of what we experienced and began taking a lot of pictures. We had to speak up about what we know is being done to our Gulf.” [Read more →

[bherrera]

30. I doubt it

I read the report, and it does not provide evidence. It uses the notes and statements by one person, a woman who was contracted for BP during the oil spill period. This is very common in these type of reports, they are assembled without any meaningful information, or verifiable data. They also include comments about what was seen in the past, not about actual conditions. Finally, they make statements which are clearly stupid, because they claim activities were taking place which are evidently not sensible, such as the application of dispersant corexit from a secret fleet of boats. There has been a lot of misinformation in this case, and my suggestion is that the most accurate information is found in the US government website. The President Obama administration is very careful in this case, and they are making sure all of the information, the reality, is included in their website. This includes the results of laboratory testing of water and other materials.

The oil spill period has ended, and the reliable information available indicates that due to the voracious nature of the bacteria in the Gulf of Mexico, a lot of the oil is now consumed by the bacteria. The Corexit applications helped because they caused the oil to disperse into very small drops, which are a lot easier to eat. A significant amount of oil remains in the environment, but it is a minor amount, and the impact on the wildlife, as reported by the NY Times, was lesser than expected due to the warm water temperature and weather, which helps sea birds survive if they are oiled. If the event had happened in the winter, then many more birds die, but it happened at a time when it was warm.

[retired af major]

39. "...most accurate information is found in the US government website."

LOL ROTFL ROTFLMMFAO
Are you a shill? Your command of the language is good considering you claim to be from Spain.

[bherrera]

49. Thank you

I was educated in college in the USA, some years ago. And yes, the most accurate information is found in the US government website, which I am sure you have not bothered to read. When you laugh at me, maybe you should consider whether your laughter is warranted. In this case, it tells me you have no idea of the situation, no idea whatsoever.

[Generic Other]

58. I hazard to guess a retired military major knows more than you

about the workings of the US government. He laughs because your ridiculous contradictory claims on this thread warrant laughter. First you call Americans naive and evil for our support of the militaristic designs of our government. Then you attack the very same citizens who question this government's actions and motives.

If you were educated some years ago, I think you need a refresher course. Perhaps a logic class. Or an ethics course.

[bherrera]

143. Your attack against President Obama is baseless

But you use baseless attacks against the Obama government. They are clearly not the Bush administration, which is known for its evil and venal nature. The Obama administration is much more honest. I also see the information which the government posts in its website, which includes videos, as well as laboratory reports, maps, and other information. This basic information is never questioned by those who attack the administration.

I tend to believe this dear retired military major of yours never bothered to look at this information, and is probably not mentally suited not trained to be analysing the information anyway. What does he know about oil spills? Nothing.

I happen to have studied the subject, and I see a very clear description of the event, and a very honest effort by the government to provide information. Which people who have the idea that government under Bush was evil then use to attack the Obama government. I think in this case the information we see at the top of this thread is a huge lie.

A gigantic comedy has been played upon the gullible Americans who somehow have the idea this is good, that people vomit blood, because it gives them the weapon to attack the government.

All I can say is that anybody with common sense can see this is a lie, nobody vomits blood due to the oil spill, and there is a high probability the Republicans use these type of fakery to attack President Obama. They are the same liars who are always saying he is from Kenya, or some other stupid ideas like that.

Let me ask you, it has been two days, have you bothered to call the hospitals in the area to see if they see anybody vomiting blood due to the oil spill? Or do you think this government conspiracy put people from black helicopters inside every hospital telephone center? :-)

[retired af major]

175. dear 'spanish' city employee

I tend to believe you are a shill for BP countering any negative information published regarding this oil spill. I tend to believe you aren't Spanish, aren't an employee of a city in Spain and don't know the science. What do you know of marine biology or organic chemistry, or the long term effects of Corexit? Nothing.

What I have seen here is your repeated attempts to counter any negative BP related information. In addition, anything contrary to your argument is supposedly an attack against the President. Americans and Democrats can support the President and still be pissed about how this situation is handled.

I don't have a PhD in Chemistry, but I know how to analyze information and recognize propaganda when I see it. I know the US government spends taxpayer money to misinform its citizens and BP contributes lots of money to politicians.

[retired af major]

61. I know enough

not to trust the government.

[Go2Peace]

109. "a lot of the oil is now consumed by the bacteria."

That was proven to be a lie and was reported as such several days after the media, and even the administration, pushed it.

LOL, and I was beginning to believe that maybe you had some insight on this due to your claims to be professionally on top of all the info.

I have seen your posts elsewhere and I think you are genuine with your concerns. But I don't think you realize that your information is as vulnerable to propaganda as anyone's, and you have fallen for some lies and are inadvertantly helping along the misinformation.

[bherrera]

146. Not legitimate, and the link provided is not appropriate

The report at the top of the thread is a lie. And the link provided above is not related to the "whole communities vomiting blood" topic. I would like to see one of the gullible types show me a report anywhere about "whole communities vomiting blood" somewhere in the USA. It does not have to be within 500 km of the oil spill, let us say it can be anywhere in the USA. :-)

[another saigon]

20. Horrific!

Are any local stations covering this? Or have the Gov. & BP's threats made the reports disappear?

:(

[florida08]

21. K&R

it's only forums like this and the hub that will get the news out,,we have to press for their message to be heard if possible. I believe Thom Hartmann would tell it. Going to send him the link. Thanks Generic

[ensho]

27. kick

nt

[postulater]

29. Here are some more links.

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/

[bherrera]

31. This site is designed to collect money

This website has been designed to collect funds. It provides unreliable information, and is crafted to deliver a certain type of material which causes people to donate money to the man who created the website.

[postulater]

38. Well, It didn't work on me.

I haven't donated any money.

Are all the links he provides bogus too?

[Dr.Phool]

46. What are you designed to collect?

You live in Spain. You keep calling lies, with no evidence. And you direct people to websites that are from the same people who told us the air in lower Manhattan was pristine.

[bherrera]

50. They are not the same people

I believe President Bush was president during the 2001 attack. President Obama is president now. I do see a change. Or maybe you are not aware they had an election and the Democratic party won? :-)

[Grinchie]

123. And you live in Spain, and defend Obama from Republican Agents..

You should wear a cape, or perhaps an Ironman suit and singelhandedly save us poor naieve brain washed Americans..

Keep up the Comedy, it's a real gas to see some College Republican flexing its immature brain tissue in hope of becoming a Government drone someday.

[bertman]

33. I haven't listened to the full interview, so could someone tell me which

communities this is happening in?

My wife is from N.O. and has family all along the Gulf Coast--La, Miss, Fla.--and she has not heard any of this.

When she visited Miss and Ala a month or so ago, she did note that people seem to have become oblivious to what they see happening around them. Denying that there is any oil on the beaches when there IS oil on the beaches. Acting as if there's no more cleanup going on when there are still many crews engaged in cleanup.

Willful denial can be a powerful tool in dealing with unpleasant realities.

But, please, in which communities are the residents vomiting blood??

Thanks.

[Generic Other]

59. Coastal folks in LA and Mississippi reporting these symptoms

People with elevated levels of toxic chemicals all over the gulf. They are paying for their own testing. Kindra Arnesen. Gregg Hall. They post the information on Youtube because no one else will report it.

[bertman]

139. "Entire communities" is what the thread title says. So far I can't even get

the name of ONE community.

[bherrera]

151. The communities of Narnia, maybe?

The report is the imaginatio of a guy who wanted to have a good session of laughter, watching people discuss this stupid report.

[mistertrickster]

47. I think Senor Herrera brings up some good point, actually.

As a former newspaper reporter, he's right--you need verifible, specific cases. I think our media is lazy and sloppy, but "entire communities vomiting blood" could not be kept off the air, if true.

If this were really happening, one would expect to hear hospital administrators making statements, among other actual evidence.

[stopbush]

52. I have to agree. Without verifiable, specific info, these "reports" amount to hearsay.

There is a strong CT element on DU that falls for the most-illogical and fantastic claims made, from the JFK assassination being a huge plot by the US government, to 9/11 being an inside job of bushco to the crisis du jour of the BP oil spill causing whole communities to vomit blood.

As much as tea baggers are predisposed to believe the worst about Obama, many on DU are predisposed to dismiss anything that comes from a government agency as being nonfactual, simply because it came from the government.

I especially like the claim that Mr Dahl Jarmahl is one of the best reporters out there, which is proven by the simple fact that no one has heard of him.

And, I find it tedious that as soon as our Spanish friend asks for evidence, he is labeled as being an agent of the forces of evil. That's classic CT nut procedure whenever a contrary opinion is offered that calls into question the CTist's startling "facts".

[mistertrickster]

53. This is exactly the kind of "anecdotal" evidence we rightly dismiss when the right-wing uses it

to reveal the "horrors of health care in _______ !" (Fill in the blank with any other industrialized country like Canada, England, Japan, France, or Germany that doesn't let people die because they can't pay for expensive health care.)

"My brother's girlfriend's cousin's friend broke her arm in England once and . . . "

[stopbush]

62. Paranoia is a strong influence in these matters.

Political scientist Robert S. Robins and psychiatrist Jerrold M. Post discuss it in "Political Paranoia as Cinematic Motif: Stone's 'JFK'" which was presented at the 1997 Annual Meeting of the American Political Science Association.

As Robins and Post observe:

"The paranoid message will give more and more, and then it will give even more. The entertainment resources of the paranoid message are unrivaled. It offers puzzles, drama, passion, heroes, villains, and struggle. If the story-line can be tied to an historical event, especially one that involves romantic characters and unexpected death, then fiction, history, and popular delusion can be joined in the pursuit of profit. The story, moreover, need never end. If evidence appears that refutes the conspiracy, the suppliers of the discrediting material will themselves be accused of being part of the conspiracy. The paranoid explanatory system is a closed one. Only confirmatory evidence is accepted. Contradictions are dismissed as being naive or, more likely, part of the conspiracy itself."

[mistertrickster]

80. Brilliant analysis. If you draw conclusions from actual evidence, you are a "dupe." nt

[bherrera]

153. Show the beef

Then show the beef, guy.

[mistertrickster]

174. You do realize that I'm on your side here, right?

I'm seeing a lot of smoke . . . no fire.

[valerief]

63. There's a strong element on DU who do not dismiss Occam's Razor. nt

[stopbush]

64. Conspiracy theories are the opposite end of the spectrum from Occam's Razor.

That is what you meant, isn't it?

[valerief]

70. CT are not at the opposite end when they're the most obvious answer once

you have the facts.

Follow the money.

[stopbush]

76. I have yet to hear a CT that does sink under the weight of its own complexity.

The JFK CTs are the poster child for ridiculous complexities, no more so than in Stone's film fiction where elements of mutually contradictory theories are woven into a big stinking pile of CT shit that doesn't pass the smell test.

And, again, CTists really think they're in possession of "the truth," not matter how fantastic or illogical that truth may be on its face.

[valerief]

77. You say tomato, I say tomahto. You say CT, I say 'the obvious'. nt

[mistertrickster]

81. StopBush, I got quite caught up in the JFK conspiracy theories after Stone's movie.

I must have read 15 books, from Mark Lane to the Sommers' to Gerald Posner.

After it was all said and done . . . I think the guy who brought a rifle to work that day (Oswald) did it. This is re-inforced by his unprovoked fatal shooting one police officer, and then trying to shoot another with a S&W .38 caliber revolver he was carrying.

The CT believe this was all a set-up.

Which, as Ockham says, requires more premises to believe? In other words, which is the simpler explanation?

*****

On the other hand, there's nothing in the Warren Report's conclusions that rule out Oswald was not working for some bigger organization, like the Mafia.

Okay, sorry about the thread-jacking . . .

[stopbush]

88. The WCR was quite clear that it couldn't rule out a conspiracy at the time it was issued,

but it made clear that after doing 25,000 interviews and tracking down every conspiracy lead they were given (to their natural dead end) that it could find no evidence to support such theories. The WCR did rule out the Mafia, the Cubans and others. That said, the WCR was open to new evidence coming forth to prove a conspiracy. To date, none has.

I've also read a number of JFK books, including Posner's and the grand daddy of them all, Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. Mark Lane's book is probably the most-embarrassing CT book out there, though the contest for the most self-serving is still being waged. Most of the JFK CT theories can be dismissed on the simple grounds that they can't even get the seating positions right for JFK & Connally in the limo. Mess up on such an important and obvious detail and the rest is pure garbage.

A more recent example of CT gone haywire is the Loose Change video of 9/11. Interesting that this video has been revised a number of times to - in the words of its creators - leave out theories that they no longer feel are plausible. Yet, when the first version of the video was released, the CTists had a field day calling critics naive and part of the cover-up when said critics pointed out the stupidities that the creators insisted were facts in the first version of the vid.

You'd think such embarrassments would give CTists pause, but, no. They sally forth without a care on the world, believing whatever they will in contradiction to basic science and common sense.

Also - please excuse for the thread hijacking on my part.

[retired af major]

83. you ought to read up on ...

Operation Northwoods or the history of the CIA. When you recognize plausible deniability is a hallmark of covert operations and disinformation is taxpayer paid function of government, things aren't so black and white anymore.

[stopbush]

94. I know all about Op Northwoods. That doesn't mean that such a situation/plot

exists for everything that happens in this country.

Some conspiracies are true - the assassinations of both Lincoln and Rabin were the result of conspiracies. That doesn't mean that the assassination of JFK was also a conspiracy.

Similarly, our government has lied to us in the past. That doesn't mean that lying is their default position in every instance.

There's much to be said for our Spanish friend's theory that these "Obama's Katrina" stories are RW-devised myths to cast aspersions on a D president and administration. The RW has been the beneficiary of such things since at least the JFK assassination. After all, the people who harp the most about the JFK slaying being a government plot are Ds, not Rs. The Rs love this, because to believe it, one must believe that a government that was entirely controlled by the Ds (who held narrow majorities in Congress) was out to get rid of a D president at any cost, even to the point of the president's personal body guards (the Secret Service) being in on the plot to get rid of him.

All you need to do is to produce corroborating evidence from a reliable source to confirm these reports of entire communities coughing up blood, and the skeptics among us will fall in line. So, produce the evidence...and by evidence, I don't mean a rehash of Operation Northwoods. That's a red herring.

[retired af major]

98. Didn't suggest that it did ...

You stated you've yet to see a CT that didn't unravel in its complexity. I offered ON as an example of a complex covert op. I re-enforced what you stated, our government has lied to us in the past to cover up lies, missteps and other un-pleasantries. I provided an example of our government trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
I can see for myself corporate interests are in the drivers seat in America. Corporations own many politicians. Bribes, or "campaign contributions" are more important than taking care of the citizenry.
Read up thread for YouTube posts regarding the health issues. I'm not telling you what to think, I'm just saying to everyone to research and think for themselves.

[stopbush]

106. But you fail to mention that Op Northwoods never became operational.

And it was hardly a covert conspiracy within the government itself. It was a strategic plan that was designed by the DoD and signed off by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Kennedy rejected the plan, just as he rejected the plans to invade Cuba during the missile crisis.

And since the plan never became operational, we can't assume that the wool would have been pulled over our eyes. Coming up with a plan and having it rejected doesn't amount to them trying to pull the wool over our eyes, anymore than a person bidding to buy a football team and having his bid rejected was an attempt to win the Super Bowl.

People can sit around dreaming up all kinds of weird stuff, like Op N. Fortunately, cooler heads often prevail. Just because a Cold War DoD came up with such a scheme doesn't mean that such schemes are SOP in our government in 2010. Considering the pressure the government was under during the Cold War, the fact that such a strategy was killed before it ever got started back then mitigates against such plans getting off the ground in our time of relative peace as the world's only super power. There are easier, cheaper and more-effective ways to keep people in the dark than cooking up some complicated government conspiracy to do so. The existence of Faux News proves that.

[Grinchie]

124. So, did you find any more evidence about his OP, or are you here to dilute it?

[stopbush]

133. That's not my job. It's the job of those making the claims to provide

evidence from reliable sources.

This conversation would be over if evidence were presented from reliable sources. Instead, we get the same kind of distractions that the RW is famous for - what in the hell does Operation Northwoods have to do with the subject at hand? Nothing. It's a distraction offered in lieu of actual evidence, as are the accusations that people asking for evidence are government agents/shills/RW plants. No evidence, just distractions and name calling. It's bullshit.

[retired af major]

129. wow ... semantics

Operation Northwoods was a covert plan (operational or not) of the US government to hijack planes, blame Castro and to be used as a rational to invade Cuba. It was attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people. Whether it was approved or not at the core, it was a deception operation, pure and simple. If you don't want to believe it has happened before or since, that's your prerogative.

Iran Contra was a 'fantastical' covert operation. Who would have imagined the CIA would obtain cocaine, bring it to the US and use the proceeds of the sale to buy weapons parts to trade to the Iranians for the hostages, but not until the election was over? Why members of our government would never conspire to do something so illegal and sneaky! Especially since the are laws against it! And of course, Ronnie Raygun even said the US government does not negotiate with hostages! So it must be true. Riiiight.

Gosh and the US signed the Geneva conventions and lectures the rest of the world on human rights. Why on earth would anyone claim the government would kidnap suspects and haul them to another country for torture interrogations? Why the US signed off on the Geneva Conventions!

Cooler heads don't always prevail. All kinds of evil are done in the name of the US all with the best of intentions.

[stopbush]

137. No, it isn't semantics.

You wrote, "You stated you've yet to see a CT that didn't unravel in its complexity. I offered ON as an example of a complex covert op."

Operations Northwoods didn't unravel as it never happened. It was a plan for a covert operation that would have required a conspiracy of silence and collusion to keep it quiet and to make it work effectively.

When I talk about conspiracy theories unraveling under the weight of their complexity, I'm not talking about the simple premise that, say, the JFK assassination might have had a conspiracy behind it. I'm talking about all of the details that JFK CTists put forth in an attempt to make their case. Like the idea that multiple gunmen were shooting in Dealey Plaza, or the idea that the autopsy was faked, which would have required the collusion and malicious intent of hundreds of medical personnel at three different hospitals. When one examines all of the "facts" supposedly supporting these CTs, they fall apart in their complexities, which often contradict each other.

[retired af major]

138. In your pursuit of having the last word ...

you certainly have done a fantastic job of hijacking this thread trying to "prove" whatever lame point you were attempting to make in the first place.

Which was what? If the news didn't come from mainstream media it isn't valid or if the reporter isn't on CBS, NBC or CNN he's got no credibility. Not to mention you quickly slapping a CT label on their work.

It really just shows how small minded you are by not accepting anything other than the mainstream or government sources as being factual. You seem quick to dismiss others' observations as hearsay and paranoia. I know from personal experience not to take the government at its word and information comes from all directions. Some is good and some is shit.

I didn't offer Operations Northwoods as a CT, its an example of government gone amok. How do you suppose the first person to report that (if it had become reality), or Iran Contra or the October Surprise would have been/were labeled? If I'd had foreknowledge of the lack of WMDs in Iraq and the invasion was a sham do you suspect I'd been discredited by the administration and others as being a whacko? Yes.

Anyhow, have a great life.

[stopbush]

140. You'll need to grow a thicker skin if you care to hang around DU, nube.

Take it from an old timer here - you need to do better than this if you want to be taken seriously in the debate.

[bherrera]

156. But Iraq invasion was a sham, and this was in the media

Many of you Americans could see this Iraq WMD idea was stupid, and it was invented. Most of the USA media cooperated with the government to make you believe a lie. But not all did. For example, McClatchy newspapers reported many time the thing looked like a lie. And the guys in Antiwar.com reported it was a lie many times. And many important Americans like Noam Chomsky (from the left) and Paul Buchanan (from the right), said the war was invented by neocons who wanted to have a US empire. So you have no excuse, guys.

[Generic Other]

67. People are posting the information on Youtube

Numerous individuals reporting illnesses. Clean-up workers, fisherman, environmental activists, scientists, people living in beachfront communities. People willing to pay for their own tests but being turned away. People with doctors who refuse to deal with their symptoms. Hard to verify specific cases when the media is not investigating or reporting.

The people who have been reporting tarballs on the beaches are now reporting feeling sick. In LA, in Miss, in Florida. They post their lab reports from medical tests, they struggle to get the word out. If no one hears, or they choose not to hear, that does not mean it isn't happening.

Those who have been paying attention know something is not right.

[perdita9]

55. I don't believe this report for one second

If an entire community was 'vomiting blood' you'd think someone would paste the video up on You Tube to get the word out.

Anything like that would have to be reported to the EPA and CDC and the information would be available to the public.

This report sounds like a hoax.

[Generic Other]

68. The EPA is telling labs not to test for private citizens

They are using threats that labs will not be re-certified if they test private citizens.

People are being threatened for trying to expose information. Ordered off beaches. Told not to trespass.

There is a cover-up going on. That part is no hoax.

[perdita9]

111. Still don't believe it

When the oil spill was in full swing, there were reports of rashes, vomiting, allergic reactions, etc. NPR was convinced there was a coverup and sent a reporter down to Louisiana. Pushing his way into hospitals and making a pest of himself at the Dept. of Health, he quickly discovered ... not very much. There were a few reactions but nothing like what was being reported in the rumor mill.

An entire town vomiting blood? Good luck trying to cover that up!

[sabrina 1]

132. Do you know anything about BP's history of human rights abuse record

around the world? What would be surprising to anyone who does would be that they would care one iota about people dying anywhere.

As to this report, I don't know how accurate it is, but even if it's just a few Americans showing symptoms like this, there should be a full-fledged independent investigation.

[bherrera]

157. This statement is a lie again

This is another lie. I challenge you to prove this. :-)

[valerief]

60. But how can BP and the US govt's complicity be responsible for this

when it's clearly the lifestyle choices of the victims that're at fault? Isn't it really because they're fat? That's what Mika tells us.

:sarcasm:

[veganlush]

71. massive, massive hyperbole....

..designed to cut from whole cloth Obama's Katrina. It's bullshit people, use common sense.

[kestrel91316]

72. Need a better, more reliable source than this. Maybe a link to

a public health department website and information about it.

Any fool can claim anything these days, and many fools (and propagandists for the RW) do.

[Generic Other]

84. So we should just ignore these reports? Dismiss these people's accounts?

Chemist: Gulf workers “EXTREMELY sick” and “scared to death to speak out” against BP
McClatchy reports today, “Louisiana chemist Wilma Subra… said high winds and waves also aerosolize oil. Workers, she said, came home in the evenings complaining of headaches, nausea, respiratory problems, burning eyes and sore throats… BP has been monitoring areas around the rig, she said, but not so much the expanses of Gulf where the small boats troll for oil.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/10/98770/what-lies-in-the-future-for-the.html#ixzz0wF6rMTeW

Five patients exposed to oil via “ingestion” — “Complaining of oil-caused symptoms”
At least 258 Alabama residents have reported suspected oil-related health issues, Press-Register, September 17, 2010:

* Free Clinic troubled by MASSIVE increase of patients in New Orleans, Gulf region — “It’s QUITE DISTURBING to me” (VIDEO)
* Doctors treat toxic illness from burning oil, fumes and dispersants; Pregnant women, asthmatics most at risk

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/five-patients-exposed...


"Brown SH*T leaking out of his ears for 4 months" -- Legs have holes the size of pencils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwGHdnJNHMI

Blood tests on Gulf residents show ethylbenzene, other hydrocarbons -- "Everyone is getting sick"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FWQTgEqu5E

BP Oil Spill Poisoning People. Video presented at Netroots Nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSuqTOJM3s

DN! 86 People Reported Sick in Louisiana and Alabama from Oil Spill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfh-tHn4jsM

Gulf Oil Disaster: BP Cover Up of Sick Humans and Dead Animals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0YbVpuDwfQ

Gregg Hall aka PcolaGregg Tests Positive For Gulf Oil Spill Toxins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ENiZ9v24c

Blood beach is back with a big impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVZD_VEdkU

Independent lab tests reveal toxic dispersant in Gulf waters, Government denies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muh-nJVhVEE

FDA says CATTLE from areas along the Louisiana coast can’t be sold for 6 MONTHS and must have extensive testing
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/fda-cattle-louisiana-...

Alabama woman who used to be an oyster shucker is “collecting cans” for a living — Now can’t sell the aluminum because of “illness” AND having difficulty paying for medication

[Grinchie]

125. Yes, Forget about the Gulf -- Elections are coming!!!

Be very quiet. The collapse in the fisheries will come in their own due time.. Right about 2012 Election I reckon.

But in the meantime, buck up and rally behind the Corporate Democrats if you know what's good for you.. Or you might get the "Boogeyman" back into office, and he might escalate the war in Afganistan or Worse!

He might empower the Fatcats the got us into this economic Ponzi scheme and pay them off too!

[perdita9]

113. Some of us need evidence

There's been too much of a tendency for the media to report rumors (does WMD or death panels ring a bell?) If someone's going to claim an entire town of people is vomiting blood, they should show evidence of that.

Crazy conspiracy theories do not serve the public.

[florida08]

73. good grief

We have been lied to many times by corporate offenders with government coverup. It's not conspiracy it's fact. Exxon spill, the Love Canal. Why does anyone believe this would be different? Sheesh..it's in all the Gulf states..and there are various degress of illness..but illness just the same. How about gas showing up in people's wells due to fracking?? No that's not happening either.

http://www.projectgulfimpact.org/

[perdita9]

114. Flip side

We've also been told many times that the government is out to get us via death panels or shady vaccine programs. Proof is all we're asking here. It shouldn't be hard to come up with video footage of an entire town vomiting blood if indeed that is what's happening.

[Yeahyeah]

74. Yeahyeah rules source is suspect.

[Yeahyeah]

135. Yeahyeah has rescinded this ruling.

[L0oniX]

85. www.projectgulfimpact.org

[Generic Other]

91. Fed analyst: Many of the health effects we hear.. was internal hemorrhaging & bleeding from orific

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31PZFEMHNP4&feature=sub

Even EPA scientists are talking about the symptoms that can be expected as a result of the massive amounts of co-rexit being sprayed. The government says they stopped spraying. Reports from the field suggest otherwise. Upwards of 400 million gallons sprayed. Sure I believe the government. I believe they lie.

People are getting sick. Dismissing them is easy. Labeling it a tinfoil conspiracy theory is easy. Mocking them is easy. Go down and tell it to the people who live in these communities. It's not a laughing matter to them.

[florida08]

97. can't believe what I'm reading

if it's not in my backyard it ain't happening. Thanks for NOT being one of those sheeple :thumbsup:

[Generic Other]

103. Thank you for not refusing to hear what people are saying!

Divers who won't go in the water. People who won't let their kids go to the beach. People who report symptoms. And not just in the highly publicized areas. These are people complaining who live far from the worst hit areas. Something is wrong. People dismissing their concerns and eyewitness reports on DU are alarming.

Dahr Jamail is a respected journalist. He has reported for "Truthout," appeared numerous times on Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now." He is not someone who has no credibility.

In the old days on DU, when you posted a link to information, 25 other people leaped to build on that information, to add more, to discuss and mull over what was uncovered. Now those with nothing substantial to offer just call everyone liars. It's kind of shocking.

I only started regularly posting these videos on DU last week. Mostly, I had kept them to myself because dealing with the negativity here wasn't worth the effort. But I realized NO ONE else was reporting the information. Either intimidated or frustrated into silence. I vowed to post the things I am finding in the hope others would share what information they have.

I refuse to keep quiet. I have no agenda other than wanting information and not trusting corporations and governmental agencies to provide it. When the health of people I love is at stake, I will turn over every rock and dig more than six inches into the sand to expose what's hiding there.

[Karenina]

115. Dahr has built his reputation and credibility as a jounalist.

(Our "Spanish" friend upthread obviously knows nothing of him). However, the situation he toils to push into the mainstream is the expected outcome for those of us who have been paying attention. It's confirmation by the boots on the ground. (BTW, Corexit will MELT the rubber ones. ;-) ) Ricky Ott, Rick Stein, Bob Cavnar and so many others who could not couch their words in media diplomacy, seeing what they have on the ground, have sounded the ALARM and we should all do well to take heed.

[Generic Other]

119. I am truly surprised at the way some are just so smug in their certainty on this thread

Most of us are screaming for answers! But there are a few DUers who seem to have them all! I just want to find out what's going on!

Dahr Jamail doesn't have to prove his credibility to me. Neither do the many who are posting their stories on Youtube. Or the scientists like Dr. William Sawyer who has also come under fire at DU. They are there on the ground reporting their findings. We should be trying to corroborate what they are saying not simply dismissing them as liars and frauds. I am really very surprised at that attitude.

Thanks for posting Karenina.

[bherrera]

159. Maybe the Iraq war is over, and Jamail steps out of his water

I always liked his reports from Iraq. Now I wonder, if this guy has his bolts tight in his head, because this report is not good. It is very low quality reporting.

[Karenina]

164. Get bent. Auf Spanisch, Largate!

:hi:

[bherrera]

167. Warum erhalten Sie verbogen?

You get bent too. Using bad language is bad for your mouth.

[Greyhound]

96. We don't like to hear this kind of news, therefore, it isn't true.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me a hundred times a year, decade after decade, and I'm simply demanding to be fooled."

[eilen]

99. CoRexit Still Being Sprayed--Washington's Blog

Washington's Blog
Thttp://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/08/confirmed-corexit-still-being-sprayed.html

Note to Moderators: If you wish to reproduce any essays from this site:
You may reproduce our essays as long as you give proper attribution (Washington's Blog) and provide a link to our site.

Confirmed: Corexit Still Being Sprayed in the Gulf


Veteran chemist Bob Naman says that Corexit is still being sprayed in the Gulf, and that he found 13.3 parts per million in Cotton Bayou, Alabama.

As I pointed out last week:

Parts per million might not sound like much.

But the EPA has found that exposure to 42 parts per million killed 50% of mysid shrimp within 4 days (and most of the remaining shrimp didn't last much longer).
In response to Naman's findings, the mayor of Orange Beach - the town located on Cotton Bayou - said that the City would conduct its own, independent tests:



The City's test results have now come back, showing 66 parts per million of dispersant.



The City Engineer for Orange Beach - Kit Alexander - also states that the EPA sets the screening level for dispersant at 750 parts per million (see above video). In other words, the EPA doesn't even test for Corexit at concentrations of less than 750 ppm, even though Corexit at much lower concentrations kills marine life.

I have personally been copied with emails sent to the Coast Guard documenting continued spraying of Corexit.

And yesterday, toxicologist Dr. Ricki Ott sent the following letter to the EPA which summarizes evidence of ongoing use of dispersants in the Gulf:
Sam Coleman August 27, 2010
U.S. EPA, Region 6
1445 Ross Ave.
Dallas, TX 75202-2733 Via email: [e-mail]

Re: Documentation of continued dispersant spraying in near shore and inland waters from Florida to Louisiana (despite contrary claims by USCG and BP) and documentation that dispersants made oil sink

Dear Mr. Coleman,

During the August 25 Dockside Chat in Jean Lafitte, LA, it came to our attention that the federal agencies were unaware -- or lacking proof -- of the continued spraying of dispersants from Louisiana to Florida. Further, the federal agencies were woefully ignorant of the presence of subsurface oil-dispersant plumes and sunken oil on ocean and estuary water bottoms. We offer evidence to support our statements, including a recently declassified subsurface assessment plan from the Incident Command Post.

But first, you mentioned that such activities (continued spraying of dispersants and sinking oil) -- if proven -- would be "illegal." As you stated, sinking agents are not allowed in oil spill response under the National Contingency Plan Subpart J §300.910 (e): "Sinking agents shall not be authorized for application to oil discharges."

We would like to know under what laws (not regulations) such activities are illegal and what federal agency or entity has the authority to hold BP accountable, if indeed, such activity is illegal. It is not clear that the EPA has this authority.

For example, on May 19, the EPA told BP that it had 24 hours to choose a less toxic form of chemical dispersants and must apply the new form of dispersants within 72 hours of submitting the list of alternatives. Spraying of the Corexit dispersants continued unabated. On May 26, the EPA and Coast Guard told BP to eliminate the use of surface dispersants except in rare cases where there may have to be an exemption and to reduce use of dispersants by 75 percent. Yet in a letter dated July 30, the congressional Subcommittee on Energy and the Environment reported the USCG on-scene commander (OSC) had approved 74 exemption requests to spray dispersants between May 28 and July 14.

Under the National Contingency Plan Subpart J, the authorization of use §300.910 (d) gives the OSC the final authority on dispersant use: "The OSC may authorize the use of any dispersant... without obtaining the concurrence of he EPA representative... when, in the judgment of the OSC, the use of the product is necessary to prevent or substantially reduce a hazard to human life."

Given this history of events and the NCP regulation, we would like to know what federal entity actually has the final authority to: order BP to stop spraying of dispersant; declare that spraying of dispersant after issuance of a cease and desist order is illegal; and prosecute BP for using product to sink oil.

The documentation of dispersant spraying in nearshore and inland waters includes:
√ claims by USCG and BP
√ eyewitness accounts
√ fish kills in areas of eyewitness accounts
√ photos of white foam bubbles and dispersant on boat docks in areas of eyewitness accounts
√ sick people in areas of eyewitness accounts

Claims by USCG and BP - and Counter Evidence

July 30-31: Lt. Cmdr. of USCG confirms, "Dispersants are only being used over the wellhead in Louisiana."

When reached for comment, Lt. Cmdr. Dale Vogelsang, liaison officer with the United State Coast Guard, told The (Destin) Log he had contacted Unified Command and they had "confirmed" that dispersants were not being used in Florida waters.

"Dispersants are only being used over the wellhead in Louisiana," Vogelsang said. "We are working with Eglin and Hurlburt to confirm what the flight pattern may be. But right now, it appears to be a normal flight."

Vogelsang also said Unified Command confirmed to him that C-130s have never been used to distribute dispersants, as they "typically use smaller aircraft."

Contradicted by evidence in same Destin The Log article and posted on websites:
But according to an article by the 910th Airlift Wing Public Affairs Office, based in Youngstown, OH., C-130H Hercules aircraft started aerial spray operations Saturday, May 1, under the direction of the president of the United States and Secretary of Defense. "The objective of the aerial spray operation is to neutralize the oil spill with oil dispersing agents," the article states.

A Lockheed Martin July newsletter states that "Lockheed Martin aircraft, including C-130s and P-3s, have been deployed to the Gulf region by the Air Force, Coast Guard and other government customers to perform a variety of tasks, such as monitoring, mapping and dispersant spraying."

Further: "Throughout the effort, Lockheed Martin employees have been recognized for their contributions in a wide range of roles. IS&GS senior network engineer Lawrence Walker, for example, developed a solution to a critical networking issue involving two C-130's that arrived from the Air Force Reserve Command's 910th Airlift Wing at Youngstown, Ohio, as part of the cleanup mission."

May 11: USCG and BP claims of no dispersant spraying activities are further contradicted by intentional mislabeling of flight plans:

Aerial dispersant operations - Houma Status Report, Dispersant Application Guidance,
p. 4, point 8: "Use discreet IFF codes as provided on separate correspondence. This removes need to file DVFR flight plans."

Destin - Fort Walton, FL
July 30-31: Destin Mayor Sam Seevers investigating claims of dispersant spraying
Resident and former VOO worker testified that he witnessed a military C-130 "flying from the north to the south, dropping to low levels of elevation then obviously spraying or releasing an unknown substance from the rear of the plane."

The unknown substance, Yerkes wrote, "was not smoke, for the residue fell to the water, where smoke would have lingered."

Austin Norwood, whose boat is contracted by Florida Fish and Wildlife, also provided a written account of a "strange incident."

While Norwood was observing wildlife offshore, he had received a call from his site supervisor at Joe's Bayou. After telling the supervisor that he and his crewmember were not feeling well, the supervisor had the two men come in "to get checked out because a plane had been reported in our area spraying a substance on the water about 10- 20 minutes before."

Norwoord complained of a bad headache, nasal congestion while his crewmember said he had a metallic taste in his mouth.

After filling out an incident report, both Norwood and his crewmember were directed to go to the hospital. The following day, the two men were once again "asked to go to the hospital for blood tests."

Aug. 2: Joe Yerkes reported sludgy brown oil and foamy white dispersant bubbles in Destin and 40 miles east in St. Joe Bay, just days before a fish kill of croaker, flounder, trout, and baitfish on August 5.

Perdido Pass, AL
Aug. 24: Received report of oil debris from anchor chain while weighing anchor at position 30*15.6 N 87*32.7 W, 0.6 nm east of Perdido Pass sea buoy. Samples taken.

Dauphin Island, AL
Aug. 21: Fisherman Chris Bryant documents Corexit 9500 use

Aug. 24: Washington's Blog interview with chemist Bob Naman
Bob Naman is the analytical chemist who performed the tests featured in WKRG's broadcast. He was interviewed by or an August 24 report. Highlights include:
• Naman found 2-butoxyethanol in the Cotton Bayou sample.
• Naman said found no propylene glycol, the main ingredient of Corexit 9500.
• Naman said he went to Dauphin Island, Alabama last night and while there observed many 250-500 gallon barrels which were labeled Corexit 9527. Naman took pictures that he will soon be sharing.
• Naman said he saw men applying the Corexit 9527 while he was in Dauphin Island and also in Bayou La Batre, Alabama.
• Naman said the Corexit 9527 is being haphazardly sprayed at night and is impacting beach sands in a highly concentrated form.

Bayou La Batre, AL
Aug. 4: Fisherman Chris Byrant documents oil-dispersant in Mississippi Sound, northwest of Katrina Cut, in an area open to fishing in state waters between Dauphin Island and Bayou La Batre

Aug. 19, Aug. 21: Rocky Kistner with NRDC documents use of Corexit 9527a and Corexit 9500 and oil-dispersant visible sheen in area open to fishing in state waters
PHOTOS
Aug. 23: Natural Resources Defense Council Switchboard posting
We spotted huge plastic containers marked with Corexit warning labels on the dock public docks near Bayou La Batre. ...
The next day at a town hall meeting in Buras, LA, BP Mobile Incident Commander Keith Seilhan was asked about the use of chemical dispersants. "We are not using dispersants and haven't been for some time," he said.
But when asked whether contractors who operate in state waters could be, he said he could not be certain. "We have lots of contractors, but no one should be using them. If they are, we need to know about it and stop it."

Long Beach, MS
Aug. 8: Fisherman James "Catfish" Miller sampled the subsurface oil plume (VIDEO)

Miller tied an oil absorbent pad onto a pole and lowered it 8-12 feet down into deceptively clear ocean water. When he pulled it up, the pad was soaked in oil, much to the startled amazement of his guests, including Dr. Timothy Davis with the Department of Health and Human Services National Disaster Medical System. Repeated samples produced the same result. Three weeks earlier, there had been a massive fish kill along the same shoreline from Gulfport to Pass Christian.

Aug. 23: The methods for sampling subsurface oil used by Mr. Miller are also being used by Incident Command for the Deepwater Horizon as evidenced in a declassified document (p. 3).

Hancock County, MS
Aug. 23: Dispersant container found in Bayou Caddy Hancock County marsh. White foam indicative of dispersant use in marsh. Samples taken and being analyzed.

Barataria, LA
July 31: Documentation of oil in Barataria Bay.

Venice, LA
Aug. 11 (reported): Contractor sick from dispersant spraying

Summary: Based on these documents, and more, we believe that dispersant spraying in inland and near shore waters across the Gulf of Mexico from Louisiana to the western Florida panhandle is occurring now and has continued unabated (before) and since July 19, the date that the seafood safety panel proclaimed was the last day dispersants were sprayed. Based on these documents, and more, we believe that the dispersant spraying in inland and near shore waters is being conducted for the sole purpose of sinking the visible oil, an activity that is supposedly illegal. According to the University of South Florida, dispersed oil micro-droplets have been documented throughout the Gulf water column and are likely to affect the entire ecosystem.

The inability of the federal and state agents who attended the Dockside Chat in Jean Lafitte, LA, on Aug. 25 to find recent subsurface oil and ocean bottom oil or dispersant spraying activity in inland or near shore waters gives us zero confidence in these same agencies' declaration that they can find no oil or dispersant in Gulf seafood product.

Sincerely,

Riki Ott, PhD
Ultimate Civics Project
Earth Island Institute
POB 1460
Cordova, AK 99574
970-903-6818
www.RikiOtt.com

[stopbush]

101. This report dates from August 27, and many of the citations contained therein are before that date.

It's now September 19. Are you saying that dispersant is still being sprayed TODAY, or are you assuming it is still being sprayed based on a report that is three weeks old? The oil well was officially declared "dead" only today, even though the cap was placed in July.

[eilen]

102. I maintain that a 3 week window is "recent enough".

The well being dead is irrelevant to the impact of the environmental damage that has occurred, is occurring and will continue to occur from the oil gush and the corresponding corexit dump.

[stopbush]

107. I really don't care what you maintain. What does the science say on the subject?

Last I checked, no one seems to be sure of the half life of oil dispersants. Do you know something the scientists don't?

[eilen]

105. What's Going On In The Gulf (9/16 post)

Washington's Blog (which happens to be following the Gulf issues (as well as economical issues) very closely)
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/09/whats-going-on-in-gulf.html
What's Going On In The Gulf

"But at least BP has stopped spraying dispersant in the Gulf ... right?
Unfortunately, numerous vessel of opportunity program participants have said it is still being sprayed (see this and this). And there allegations have been confirmed by chemists and photographers.

Okay, but at least the well has been capped, so that no new oil flows into the Gulf ... right?

Its hard to know.

BP has shut off 16 out of 17 of its underwater cameras. The only remaining camera shows a small - but continuous - stream of leaking materials: Link to: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/09/whats-going-on-in-gulf.html for video feed.

[Generic Other]

117. Excellent recap for those not paying attention

Thanks for posting this!

[bherrera]

166. The well has been capped, many plumes have disappeared

The following is the national incident command website you can check

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/

Statement by Retired Admiral Thad Allen

"After months of extensive operations planning and execution under the direction and authority of the U.S. government science and engineering teams, BP has successfully completed the relief well by intersecting and cementing the well nearly 18,000 feet below the surface. With this development, which has been confirmed by the Department of the Interior's Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, we can finally announce that the Macondo 252 well is effectively dead. Additional regulatory steps will be undertaken but we can now state, definitively, that the Macondo well poses no continuing threat to the Gulf of Mexico. From the beginning, this response has been driven by the best science and engineering available. We insisted that BP develop robust redundancy measures to ensure that each step was part of a deliberate plan, driven by science, minimizing risk to ensure we did not inflict additional harm in our efforts to kill the well. I commend the response personnel, both from the government and private sectors, for seeing this vital procedure through to the end. And although the well is now dead, we remain committed to continue aggressive efforts to clean up any additional oil we may see going forward."


Here's a report from a few weeks ago about oil plumes which I find reliable

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/62577/title/Deep-sea_plumes_A_rush_to_judgment%3F

Article in Science News

"A new study released on Aug. 24 reported the discovery of a novel bacterium in diffuse, deep-sea clouds of oil that had been spewed by BP’s damaged Deepwater Horizon well. And according to the paper's lead author, a microbial ecologist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the bacterium's appetite for oil is so voracious that hoards of it swarmed to a plume his team had been studying — and then gobbled it up. Completely.

That’s what Terry Hazen told me and many other reporters.

And it may be true. But he doesn’t “know” that. He can’t — yet.

Moreover, he didn’t say (at least to me) that he had any comparable data on the biodegradation of plumes other than the one he was studying. Yet many news accounts now report as fact the claim that all plumes are gone.

There are, perhaps not surprisingly, plenty of skeptics — including researchers now aboard ships who claim to still be monitoring plumes in the Gulf.

Which suggests that in an attempt to make sense of emerging data, some people are rushing to judgment. And in so doing, they risk muddling our understanding of the ecological ramifications of the massive BP accident."

This is the type of reporting one can believe, not the type of things we see in these youtube videos and the claims by Jamail and other people who are not very reliable.

[earth mom]

127. I though 9/11 was the crime of the century.But this Ecocide in the Gulf & the cover up of the truth

about it makes it a tie.

:grr:

:cry:

[bherrera]

161. Crime of the Century? How amazing you are

There are too many other places and cases to provide candidates for the crime of the century, my friend.

For example, in order of the time they happened, not the how bad of it:

1. Genocide of the Armenians
2. Soviet communist killing of the Kulaks and Lenin's Terror
3. Japanese rape of Nanking and atrocities in China
4. Nazi genocide of the Jews and gypsies and homosexuals
5. USA and Britain burning of Dresden
6. USA bombing of Nagasaki
7. Killing fields of Cambodia by Khmer Rouge
8. Dirty war in Argentina
9. Soviet caused Chernobyl nuclear accident
10. Genocide of the Tutsis by the Hutus in Rwanda
11. Oil spill and burning of oil wells by Iraq Saddam Hussein
12. Exxon Valdez oil spill
13. Invasion of Iraq by USA
14. Israel invasion of Lebanon.

I have many more I can think, but I want to keep this shorter.

[Generic Other]

130. Up to 40 million gallons of dispersant used in Gulf according to independent scientific estimates

Absurd to suggest this is not having an effect on people. Major fishkills in LA. Three in two weeks. 100,000's of fish. Deep water marine life like searays, dolphins, tuna, whales washing ashore along with the more typical shoreline fish. People saying they and their communities are getting sick.

Suppression of information, denial, limited access. Sounds like a cover-up to me. Sounds a lot like how the government acted in the immediate wake of Katrina. Denying the scope of the problems, dismissing eyewitness accounts, underplaying the extent of the disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywk5NfxA9H0&feature=sub

[bherrera]

158. More garbage

You are a really funny guy. Dolphins are now a deep water marine life? Ha ha ha.

[another saigon]

131. Fascism Accomplished!

They key issue of this whole debacle is this, paraphrased from Dahr' report:

This has made clear the massive effort of lessening BP's liability. BP is running the show and Obama is being used as their spokesperson. Obama being their Public Affairs flack for BP is pathetic. His willingness to play a key role in 'things are fine' is disturbing. It underscores a key point, any line of separation of govt and corporations that are behind them has been erased. BP is clearly calling the shots and Obama played their spokesman saying come, eat, play in his photo ops.

That is why there is no M$M air time for this. Apparently there is a mosque and a Koran somewhere that is more important.

[bherrera]

162. This is a republican's attack

Do notice the reference to the mosque and koran by this guy.

[another saigon]

134. Just Who Is Running This Country? BP or Obama?

[TheEuclideanOne]

141. Wow, you must be an Optimist

To suggest that anybody other than BP is running the country is refreshing.

[bherrera]

160. All Americans swear allegiance to BP

This is incredibly funny. Do you really think the US president allows a British guy to run the USA? I think you should see where the US spends the money, in places like Iraq, and Afghanistan, and where it gets Americans killed, and why. And you will see the israel lobby and the military industrial complex have the USA captured in their grasp, and they feed you leftovers to make you believe others do the controlling.

[Generic Other]

170. Dahr Jamail responded to my questions about his article

He sent me this link:

Bio-Remediation or Bio-Hazard? Dispersants, Bacteria and Illness in the Gulf

<snip>

The idea was crazy but, in the context of the Gulf situation -- an outbreak of mysterious persistent rashes from southern Louisiana across to just north of Tampa, Florida, coincident with BP's oil and chemical release, it seemed suddenly worthy of investigating.

I first heard about the rash from Sheri Allen in Mobile, Alabama. Allen wrote of red welts and blisters on her legs after "splashing and wading on the shoreline" of Mobile Bay with her two dogs on May 8. She reported that "hundreds of dead fish" washed up on the same beach over the following two days. This was much too early for the summer sun to have warmed the water to the point of oxygen depletion, but not too early for dispersants and dispersed oil to be mixed into the Gulf's water mass. By early July, Allen's rash had healed, leaving black bruises and scarring.

<snip>

...we are seeing a variance of symptoms in different individuals. In some people, we see respiratory complications, while in others we see skin or GI symptoms. I think it is due to a multitude of colonized bacteria -- which may have been triggered by BP's disaster.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riki-ott/bio-remediation-or-bio-ha_b_720461.html

Here is the post following the article made by the nurse quoted in the article.

<snip>

I happen to know for a fact hundreds of people have symptoms of chemical toxicity and bacterial infections.

Did you bother to read the links associated with the oil eating bacteria and MRSA? I did. I am the nurse who did the research, backed up with fact, telling the story of what is happening in the gulf.
Just because you are not effected personally does not invalidate the real life suffering of the people afflicted in the gulf.

Don't expect the media to jump up and down about this story, We know the toxic mix of oil, dispersants, and bio-engineered bacteria, is in the air and will come down with the rain. We have set up a study here http://testtherain.com/ to validate our findings and help get the word out.

We are not being told the truth about the unprecedented disaster in the gulf.

Thanks,
Ali

[Generic Other]

171. Illness from spill unknown still

<snip>

When he started working on a crewboat for Guilbeau Marine in May cleaning up the Deepwater Horizon spill site, the 35-year-old Pierre Part native said, he became gravely ill. He can no longer work, medical bills and household expenses ate up a piddling settlement, and promised help from Kenneth Feinberg’s Gulf Coast Claims Facility has yet to materialize.

<snip>

Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals records show 318 reports of health complaints from workers relative to the BP spill. Patients reported headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, weakness and fatigue and upper-respiratory irritation.

<snip>

BP spokesman Daren Beaudo said Friday that there is no specific plan for addressing longer-term illnesses that might arise in the future...

http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20100919/ARTICLES/100919221/1212?p=1&tc=pg

[Generic Other]

172. Mysterious illness plagues Gulf oil disaster workers

For weeks now, local hospitals have tracked patients with suspicious symptoms coming in from the gulf coast. Doctors are having trouble distinguishing it from the flu.

“What makes it challenging is that patients show up with non-specific symptoms. Headaches, fatigue, problems with memory and concentration, upset stomach,” lists Dr. Claudia Miller at UT Health Science Center.

The illness is called “TILT,” or Toxicant-Induced Loss of Tolerance. Patients lose tolerance to household products, medication, or even food after being exposed to chemicals, like burning oil, toxic fumes, or dispersants from the spill.

http://usahitman.com/mysterious-illness-plagues-gulf-oil-disaster-workers/

[Generic Other]

173. More reports of illness

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In Louisiana, there have been 411 reports of health complaints believed to be related to exposure to pollutants from the
oil spill, including cases of heat stress. Three hundred and twenty-five (325) reports came from workers and 86 from the
general population (see limitations of these data explained on page 2). Most frequently reported symptoms include
headache, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, weakness/fatigue and upper respiratory irritation.


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Thousands of People Along the Gulf Coast Suffer ‘BP Crud’

“I expected the vessel of opportunity workers to get sick because they were given hard hats instead of respirators just like our guys were. So it really didn’t surprise me in early May when I heard pretty much identical health symptoms,” she said. Dizziness, sore throat, headache, nausea, burning eyes, and eventually skin rashes resistant to treatment with antibiotics.

“What convinced me that we may have a really big problem here,” she said, is when she heard similar stories at community forums from people not working directly in the oil and chemical tainted water, marshes and sand, and when she talked to pharmacists who reported seeing a huge increase in respiratory illnesses and bad skin rashes.

“Now that the children are back in school, there’s a series of ’strep throat,” she said. “It’s the same symptoms, the blisters in the throat, the rashes I’d heard about all summer.”

There is a new area of occupational and environmental medicine covering chemical related illnesses, and the symptoms literally mimic flu-like symptoms. Dr. Ott is launching a Gulf-wide health survey along with coastal non-profit groups including the Louisiana Bayoukeeper and Ultimate Civics, a project of Earth Island Institute. The groups are also holding community health forums and opening health centers to try to get a handle on the scope of the problem.

http://oilspillaction.com/thousands-of-people-along-the-gulf-coast-suffer-%E2%80%98bp-crud%E2%80%99-video

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The Gulf Coast Oil Spill has the potential to affect human health in addition to the effects already seen on animal and marine life. CDC, along with the affected Gulf Coast states, has developed a plan to track the potential short-term health effects related to the oil spill in the affected communities. Surveillance systems track changes in the number and severity of illnesses and injuries in a population, alerting public health officials to trends that require further investigation.

CDC, with state and local health departments, is conducting surveillance across the four Gulf States for health effects possibly related to the oil spill using national and state-based surveillance systems. These surveillance systems are being used to track symptoms related to the eyes, skin, and respiratory, cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, and neurological systems, including worsening of asthma, cough, chest pain, eye irritation, nausea, and headache. If the surveillance systems identify groups of people with these symptoms, state and local public health officials will be able to follow up as needed to investigate whether there is an association between the symptoms and the oil spill. This follow-up is important because the same symptoms could be related to a cause unrelated to the oil spill.
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Corexit can cause pneumonitis, respiratory irritation, nausea, vomiting, red blood cell injury, and eye irritation.3 Workers are also regularly handling oil compounds containing potentially dangerous substances such as benzene. According to the Department of Health and Human Services' Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, benzene is a known carcinogen and breathing high levels of it can cause drowsiness, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, and headaches.4 Discussions at the IOM meeting emphasized the importance of training for all cleanup workers and the provision of personal protective equipment such as gloves, boots, and respirators as needed.
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Dr. Shaw told CNN:
If I can tell you what happens — because I was in the oil — to people…
Shrimpers throwing their nets into water… water from the nets splashed on his skin. …
headache that lasted 3 weeks… heart palpitations… muscle spasms… bleeding from the rectum…
And that’s what that Corexit does, it ruptures red blood cells, causes internal bleeding, and liver and kidney damage. …
This stuff is so toxic combined… not the oil or dispersants alone. …
Very, very toxic and goes right through skin.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/07/guest-post-toxicologists-say-corexit-%E2%80%9Cruptures-red-blood-cells-causes-internal-bleeding%E2%80%9D-allows-crude-oil-to-penetrate-%E2%80%9Cinto-the-cells%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cevery-organ-s.html