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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 07:50 PM
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Waiting For Superman - Review by What The Flick?!
 
Run time: 08:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZyeTmRtzk
 
Posted on YouTube: September 25, 2010
By YouTube Member: whattheflickshow
Views on YouTube: 2244
 
Posted on DU: September 27, 2010
By DU Member: ihavenobias
Views on DU: 764
 
All critics on Waiting For Superman: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/waiting_for_superman/MTI4NTYzNDkxNQ%3D%3D

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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 08:53 PM
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1. What a crock
This agit-prop film, basically a propaganda piece for charter schools, ignores reality to paint a highly biased portrait of traditional public schools. It focuses on the worst schools and holds them up as the typical public schools. It ignores research by the most highly regarded institutions, like Stanford University, which has shown that the majority of charter schools perform no better and usually worse than traditional public schools, or if you prefer the short version, the majority of charter schools are worse than traditional public schools.

It's difficult to know where to start. There are so many things wrong with this film and reviews like this (notice in this instance, as well as all coverage on Opra and network programs, no educators are allowed to participate, only pundits and those with no background in or knowledge of education, curriculum or pedagogy).

Blame teachers for all student shortcomings? That's one of the messages coming through from Arne Duncan and Bill Gates and the other corporate backers of this and other projects aimed at de-professionalizing teaching, breaking up unions, and imposing a corporate schools system, beyond the control of parents and communities. Parents who don't ensure their kids show up with their homework done and ready to learn are off the hook. Likewise students who don't show up for class or bother to do their homework are not at fault, only teachers.

Check out Chicago and New York City and learn about the neighborhood schools being shut down and school systems not being run by elected school boards, but by politicians who, like Congress, are in the pockets of billionaires and corporations that own them. Better yet, read The Death and Life of the Great American School System by Diane Ravitch.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 10:32 PM
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4. How are you going to get parents and students to shape up?
I'd sure like to hear some good ideas on this subject. Should we dock their per child exemption perhaps?
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:47 AM
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5. I know your reply was facetious, but
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 03:49 AM by Bluesbreaker
my point wasn't that we should impose sanctions on parents or some other unenforceable solution. What we need to do is exclude their children--the ones who don't show up for class or show up unprepared--from the universe of students on whom the teacher's evaluation is based. Then we could use longitudinal tracking of student performance as a legitimate part of a teacher's evaluation, but not the entire basis for the evaluation.

The film focuses on disadvantaged communities, but the proposed solutions are all wrong. School districts should be helped to provide additional resources to students in these areas, using a weighted formula. Schools with a higher percentage of students in the national school lunch program, a high percentage of students who don't speak English as their native language, and those with a higher proportion of special education and other special needs children should receive more support, resources and funding, not less (as is often the case today).

Obama/Duncan should be looking at how to do this, instead of blackmailing states and school districts and threatening not to give them money unless they adopt unproven practices, like charter schools and experimental curriculum and pedagogical approaches.

The biggest problem isn't that the administration/DOE's approach is anti-union and anti-teacher or that it takes control of schools away from voters, parents and communities. The biggest problem is that the "reforms" they are advocating don't work and won't help student achievement. After we've spent billions on the charter school, testing and school choice fad, the nation's children won't be any better educated and we'll be farther behind other countries.

Massachusetts has the best school system in the nation. Maybe other states should be looking at what's being done there, instead of launching into reforms with no basis of support in research or scholarly work on education.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:07 AM
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7. My experience with European and American education
I have not seen the movie, but I can speak to the quality of American schools (in working class Los Angeles by the way) as opposed to German and Austrian schools (where my husband taught), especially Austrian schools (that my children attended in their earliest years -- three years of free kindergarten and the first two to three years of grade school). Austria is thirteenth in math on that list.

America has the best grade school teachers -- the best trained. They are very professional. They don't, however, get the perks and the job security and above all the respect that European teachers get. When we were in Europe teachers were called "Herr professor," Mr. Professor "Frau Lehererin," Miss Teacher, etc. (by everyone in the town). The kindergarten teachers were called "Schwester" -- Sister. Teachers at that time were given special opportunities to buy homes at reasonable prices and were encouraged to remain in their profession all their lives. Teachers were somebody. Contrast that with our country.

Children, as I said, had three years of half-day kindergarten provided by the government. During that time, they did not learn the alphabet or to read. In fact, my neighbors warned me that I should not let my child read until she was 6. That is actually a good idea because many children do not have the maturity to read until they are 6. In kindergarten, the children learned to listen to stories, tell stories, sit together in a group, play harmoniously (well, most of the time), organize and make things and keep a schedule.

Of course, learning to read German is much easier than learning English. German is a phonetic language. Although my oldest daughter could not read at all when she started school, by Christmas, she could read a book of Disney stories - somewhat simplified, by herself. I was utterly amazed. Both of my children did well in math. That was their top subject. That may be a natural gift.

In Austria, a grade school child stayed in the same class with the same teacher for the first four years. After that, they were tracked according to their performance and family choices.

Families were quite aware that it was important for a child to do well in grade school. There was a lot of pressure because it would be hard for a child to catch up later if the child did not do well in grade school. That child's opportunities in life would be limited.

At the time we were there, high schools had three basic tracks (with variations) -- Hauptschule, where children learned very practical things and maybe afterwards or even simultaneously did an apprenticeship for a craft or job -- Handelschule, which is sort of a preparation for a school that is academically more demanding than the Hauptschule but does not necessarily prepare the student for university but rather for a business or technical degree -- and, then the Gymnasium which focused on academic studies and which was highly demanding and competitive intellectually. At the end of the Gymnasium studies, the children had to take a difficult test. Passing or failing was a big deal. Teachers in the Gymnasium were well educated academics.

As I said, the teachers in the public schools here are, in my opinion, far more professional and better prepared for their profession although perhaps not culturally as well educated (in European art, music, history, etc.) than their European counterparts at least in the schools that I saw.

There are a number of reasons why European kids perform better than the American kids. Americans mostly respect rich people, famous people, not educated people, not teachers in the schools, not university professors, not research scientists, etc. It's rich people behind this whole "school reform by privatizing" thing, not intellectuals. Europeans still respect famous people, but they also showed a great deal of respect in their daily lives for educated people. That was quite a shock to me. The first time that an Austrian called my house on the phone and said "Frau Doktor" to me I laughed out loud. I was stunned that someone would call me Frau Doktor, a very respectful title, simply because my husband has a PhD. PhDs in this country are not recognized for their academic achievements outside the workplace for the most part. Some of our closest friends have no idea that my husband has a PhD. It's just not something that is important here.

But parents and their engagement in the education of their small children are the real secret to the success of European schools. In Austria -- when we lived there -- grade school children generally got out of school at 12:30 p.m. They brought small textbooks sometimes paperback -- that the children, not the school owned -- and little notebooks the size of the bluebooks that we used to take college exams in -- except thicker with them in their schoolbags. Every day each child had homework assignments. Mothers sat beside their children as the children did the homework -- every day. And at the end of the day's homework, the child would draw a design on a line under that day's assignment with a colored pencil. That was very important. It indicated to the child that the child had finished something. Getting to draw a little design across the line with the colored pencils was a sort of reward to the child. (Don't ask me why, but they really liked doing it.) So finishing the work and making it look nice were a source of personal pride. The little notebooks were filled with these colorful lines and were very cheery.

Our schools do not teach children to reward themselves in that way for disciplined work. Most important, our schools are settling for lack of interest by parents. That's not the teachers' fault. That's a cultural problem as are most of the problems in our schools. We would never require the decorative line at the end of a homework assignment because we would see it as a waste of time.

Mind you, my children attended public schools, and my husband taught in public schools in Europe. They were not privatized. The privatization of schools here is a corporate gimmick. It is unnecessary. It is downright bad. It will lead to cost-cutting, eventual lack of parental control and one-size-fits-all cheap education that cuts corners. Isn't that what our corporations all of them do to increase their profits?

I think the trend toward charter schools is absolutely abominable. In the long run, it will take parents OUT of the schools even more than they are. I strongly suspect that the movie is yet another propaganda gimmick by big business. What a shame that so much money is put into such a horrible idea as privatizing our schools.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 09:41 PM
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2. Yeah, I saw the trailer for this a while back. It looked interesting. NT
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 09:51 PM
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3. The anti-union crowd led by the Dept.of Ed. Your gov't at work.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 04:04 AM
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6. Charter schools are a rip-off.
My husband who taught in European schools for a number of years thinks that the main reason for forming charter schools is to impose the same wage differential between teachers and administrators as now exists between corporate officers and the employees that do the work and the same authoritarian structural pyramid in our schools as exists in the corporate world.

The most essential thing of all is that managerial persons will then be judged according to how little they can pay the teachers while squeezing the most conformity out of teachers. Charter schools will depend on the generosity of corporate endowments and those schools that most consistently sing songs in praise of the corporate establishment will get the most money. It's a slippery slope.
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iamforobama Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:27 AM
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8. Anything the major media focus on like this got to be some
RIGHT WING agenda behind it, like charter and private schools so they can take tax payer money and shove religion and there right wing crap down our kids...This education thing is always out front during election times (kind of funny?) The American media no longer represent the freedom of the press. And the "news" is contrived and controlled and used as a distraction to confound, confuse and splinter humanity into a myriad of bickering factions who argue ceaselessly, so to speak, over the color of the charging beast.
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