Michael Moore Schools Obama

[ThirdChoice]

Run time: 11:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Ja63pX1lY   Posted on YouTube: November 04, 2010 By YouTube Member: mmflint Views on YouTube: 931   Posted on DU: November 04, 2010 By DU Member: ThirdChoice Views on DU: 8772

 
We need a tough guy right now, not a nice guy. Obama is too nice and trusting. He continually thinks Lucy will change and not pull away the football. Get tough! That is the only way to stand up to bullies!!

[Dinger]

1. Good Analogy

"Charlie Brown"" should throw the ball in "Lucy's "face!

[SemperEadem]

46. good analogy, too.

it totally captures the gist.

[alllyingwhores]

56. "(Obama) Doesn't have the courage of his convictions"...are you F__KING kidding me???

Why doesn't anyone on msnbc actually spell out the reality....that he is F__KING OWNED, like 99% of the dems, by corporate america.

No one can possibly be that stupid...to continually compromise, to immediately throw up a straw man as an excuse for not following through on the fundamental tenants of his campaign...continually F__K HIMSELF politically.

The only possible conclusion is that he is a F__KING STOOGE FOR CORPORATE AMERICA....and lot of people know it...and that's why they said the dems can go F__K THEMSELVES.

[axollot]

69. Remember - right now the way things are in the US w/regard to campaign laws..

no one can get elected without huge corporate backing. Now, once elected, what they do matters most. Since the SCOTUS ruling tho things will only get much, much worse - everyone has to get into bed with corporations or you are drowned out by the money.

This election was a test by corporate $$ to see how far they can push the envelope. How intelligent or crazy, out of touch, insane, poor background, lies, etc can they get away with a candidate before they WILL NOT get elected.

And look at Angle, Reid won, but only just, O'Donnell still received 40% of the vote and she needs directions just to wipe her own ass! This was a test and it's going to get worse. We haven't seen *anything* yet, until campaign finance laws are changed, until we get a bill passed (unlikely) that reins in the over reaching ruling of Citizens United - it will continue to get worse.

Obama really needs to *STOP* the 'nice guy' thing, it doesn't work and it cost him big time this past election. Moore is right we want to see a strong leader that takes a stand and doesn't budge - is that always practical? NO - but it's how people will perceive him if he continues to be nice to the GOP they want a guy to stand tall and not take NO for an answer.

Maybe, and this is a big maybe he'll stop trying to govern like Clinton, find his own style and not flex to serve the GOP at all costs leaving his base behind. I think Obama received really rubbish advice early on in his administration and people have yet to see Obama LEAD. Owning the massive loss in the House was a step in the right direction. It does take a leader to own something like that but as MM said no more KUMBAYA!

I can see that the CONS will start the subpoenas - they probably already have them written up. They will give voice to the likes of birthers and such and will go after him just as they did Clinton. Dig until they can find a sin (maybe Obama had smoked in the WH....OMG and burnt a hole somewhere....something LAME) and everyone has some sin if you dig enough that Republicans can blow up into the crime of the century all so they do not have to actually govern. But the perception to some is that they are 'leading'.

When Obama didn't start investigations against the * Administration - during a time that REAL criminal activity was going on in the WH, things that made us, the American voters upset, things we wanted investigated. We wanted (and needed) to see Cheney and Rove go under Oath. It would have helped heal this country. Even tho I understand there really is more important things to get done (HC/WS et al). He lost the American voter because he acted just like the previous administration rather than taking a stand.

/rant off
Cheers
Sandy

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[2critical]

70. This is absolutely it.

[reggie the dog]

71. i agree

[Hissyspit]

65. VIDEO of Second Night of Interview w/ Moore Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x522425

[Nite Owl]

2. Caught this last night

Michael is so right, I love to hear him explain things so simply and clearly.
Obama does need to stop sounding so weak.

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[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. Mr President, Did you forget they called you "A LIAR" in front of the world in your 1st SoUA?!?

[RedSpartan]

22. GREAT point! n/t

[SemperEadem]

47. His 2011 SOTU is going to be

a snarling, vicious event, that's for sure.

SCOTUS defiantly flying the bird... Congressidiots screaming vulgarities during his speech. If he's not ready to throw down on that shit, then he'll draw a no confidence vote right on the spot.

[BrklynLiberal]

5. GREAT interview. Moore tells it like it is. It would benefit of Mr Obama and the rest of us if

Mr. Moore's advice was carefully considered and acted upon.

Great job Michael Moore.

[Amonester]

57. Yes it would benefit him, but...

Michael Moore is a professional left-y, you know, and we all know what the professional losers around Mr. Obama think about them.

Won't happen.

The Presidency is a tough job for any newbie... and four more years is a tough commitment to engage in for any very nice person...

[mzmolly]

6. I wish he were a formal Presidential

adviser. ;)

[ThirdChoice]

7. My message to President Obama

My message to President Obama:

Mr. President,
There is nothing you could ever, ever, ever do, say, pass, or create that will ever, ever, EVER get these people to like you. They will always think of you as a "marxist", "Socialist" or some other derogatory term, even after you capitulated to them and their corporate puppetmasters and dropped the public option. How many bills last year did they "work with you" only to vote "NO" once the Bill made the floor? EVERY ONE!!! DO YOU GET IT?

30 years later, they still hate and attack President Carter, even after he has devoted his life to Habitat for Humanity and other good causes. They hate Democrats VISCERALLY. You cannot appeal to their intellect and reason with them. They think and act from "their gut" and facts and reality do not count in their alternate reality world. They cannot and will not ever like you. PERIOD!!

Forget them, ignore them, and have courage in your convictions to push your agenda. Don't be ashamed of "the Obama Agenda"! I know they have turned "Obama Agenda" into a derogatory term, but don't play into it! Hold your head high, stick by your values and principles, and get as much of your Agenda passed and enacted.

Thank you,
A Progressive American who supports your awesome agenda, and PROUD OF IT!!

[rainlillie]

13. Thank you for this most excellent advice...

That's what we need to hear, instead of people bitching without offering solutions.

[axollot]

82. Careful now. I did similar rant up-thread and was dubbed an

Obama Cheerleader. I love seeing new folks on DU but without a profile it's hard to know who is telling me off. I've been around here since 02/reg in 03 and proud of it. Been through a lot with my fellow DU'ers.

My point was we need to rein in the corporate $$ now. As it is no one can get elected without it these days. End Corporate Person-hood and change campaign finance. If the candidate needs to answer to the people then maybe they will do the work of the people.

Russ Feingold is a prime example of a great leader that didnt take corporate dollars and lost his seat. Hubby said we havent heard the last of him and I sure hope not, he was one of the great ones along with Sanders (I VT) and Grayson here in Florida. Although some didnt like Grayson's style, many more loved the fact that he spoke up.

cheers
Sandy
ps: sorry to rant on ya!

[Stardust]

61. After Michael Moore's fantastic rant, your post took my breath away.

That is so, so true. Long ago when my son said he supported Barack Obama (and I could barely pronounce his name) I drew a deep breath and said, I hope he's tough because he's going to need all the strength he can muster to fight these despicable Repugnicans.

Do you think there was a small voice in Obama's head warning him of the dangers, the visceral hatred that awaited him? But you're right, they hate all Democrats, period. I've been around since Truman (barely) and the hatred is getting worse and worse. They hate us when we're weak and despise us when we're strong.

[truthrocks]

64. ThirdChoice: Beautifully articulated. Thank you!

[tavalon]

68. Um, let's have some honesty here

They don't like him because they think he's an uppity n*****r. He's acting like the house negro, as Malcolm X once called it but that just isn't good enough.

They can manufacture a thousand reasons but the main one is that he's black and smart. Smarter than most of his detractors put together. That cannot stand. There will never be any bipartisanship and President Obama just needs to get over that. Unless he can get white and really stupid, soon, ain't no bipartisanship happening.

He should take the bully pulpit and give them hell. Or at least a lot of truth which as Truman said, feels like hell. He's got two months to change the course of this nation. Only two months. He had two years and he did a lot but he didn't do much politicking. The next two months needs to be full on politicking mode. He needs to fight for us and fight hard. If he does it, he will have another term to get shit done. If he doesn't, he will be a one term President, and if for nothing else than Supreme Court appointments, would suck.

President Obama, you are a Leo. Start acting like one. Now.

[reggie the dog]

73. i want a field negro

in the words of X

[proteus_lives]

106. You just called President Obama a house negro.

Wow. What website am I on again?

[tavalon]

108. In the words of Malcolm X

Have you read any of Malcolm X's stuff? I highly recommend it. That said, I was making a point and you missed it. The site you are on is Democratic Underground. Sorry you're confused.

[axollot]

72. Right on! Great message! Co-Sign! n/t

[fascisthunter]

8. 99% of Progressives were Re-elected

the Blue Dogs have been rejected... their new Democrat way is a bust. Bring back populism and do what we ask you to do and we'll back you and so will millions out there.

[Stevepol]

11. I agree with his point, but 99%??

What about Feingold? What about Grayson? There aren't that many real progressives, so I can't see the 99% as being a believable figure. Somebody will have to convince me of that number.

Nevertheless, Moore's main point is absolutely correct. If Obama had remained true to his ideas on single payer or then on the public option, do you really think there would be this distaste for the health bill? If he had just let the Repubs filibuster some of the bills that he believed in instead of trying to appease and compromise, do you believe the independents would have left him?

The reporters today were pressing Gibbs about the fact that the Repubs won such a big victory on repealing the health bill. Doesn't that mean that most American people want to repeal the bill? Gibbs never said the obvious: A large percentage of those dissatisfied with the health bill are dissatisfied because it DOES TOO LITTLE NOT BECAUSE IT DOES TOO MUCH. Two-thirds of the American peopla are either OK with the health bill OR WANT IT TO BE STRONGER.

For Gibbs and the rest of Obama's brain trust, the progressives don't exist. They are a figment of somebody's imagination.

[femrap]

24. Feingold is in the Senate....

not part of a Caucus. They only caucus in the House. Black Caucus, Progressive, Blue Dog, etc. When someone runs for the House, I always ask them which Caucus they will join. And I really hate it when they lie.

I think ALL the Blue Dogs from Ohio were ousted....even Charlie Wilson. It was a slaughter in Ohio.

[dotymed]

77. I really don't know,

I think the "media" was successful in using that one bad ad by Grayson to rally the majority that did vote, against him. Grayson was one of America's best. We are fighting huge corporate money (illegal money).
If President Obama doesn't show populism hard and fast, along with no more one-sided "consensus building", he is gone.

[dbmk]

17. The Blue Dogs were rejected for not being liberal enough? n/t

[fascisthunter]

18. for being too conservative

you knew what I meant.

[dbmk]

34. Well, thats same-same isn't?

Are you really claiming they would have fared better if they had been more liberal?

[L0oniX]

44. Heard the same thing today on Democracy Now. Ok DU ...what is the message? Progressives are right!

BTW Grayson lost only because he was in the middle of a swarming pack of repukes in Orlando. Grayson will not disappear.

[NYMdaveNYI]

53. Grayson? nt

[reggie the dog]

74. dccc gave him no money

whereas the teabaggers funded his opponed out the ass

[NYMdaveNYI]

105. Dont you mean Mothers for Motherhood? nt

[ThirdChoice]

9. The GOP response to Obama's olive branch

The GOP response to Obama's olive branch:

Barely an hour after President Barack Obama invited congressional Republicans to post-election talks to work together on major issues, the Senate's GOP leader had a blunt message: His party's main goal is denying Obama re-election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101104/ap_on_re_us/us_bipartisan_challenge

[Pryderi]

10. Dems are soft and limp.

[femrap]

26. Or do TPTB

call the shots? Sometimes I think these Extremely Wealthy People who do run the world threaten Dems with physical harm...in particular their families. :tinfoilhat: Don't laugh....look at Wellstone and Carnahan from Missouri. Both killed right before the election.

Car accidents happen all the time. And no one can tell me that these Extremely Wealthy People aren't evil to the core.

Remember the Anthrax attacks directed toward the Dems and the MSM after 9/11? Intimidation. Complete and total intimidation.

I would think that if the dems came out and told of the threats, we could face the bullies and conquer them. Of course they have more $$$ than God and Goddess. I guess that's difficult to fight.

But we overcame slavery, women got the vote....when do we get rid of these Robber Barons? We did it before.

Remember Smedley Butler!!!! We need another one like him.

[docvet]

40. LOL

Harm whatever. They're all millionaires! If you are getting into politics you know you have to be brave and stand by what is right. Same with Kucinich, took an airplane ride and flopped on the Health Insurance giveaway. I THOUGHT WE DID NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS?!?!? If you dont have the grapes get out of washington. Problem is these criminals know what they're doing and their wealth speaks for itself. All of them are rich...are you?

[reggie the dog]

76. we need a democrat who will get his bodyguards to

take photos of the oppositions kids going to school and threaten them too. you threaten my kids i kill you before you get to the door and your body is chopped up and fed to pigs, you threaten my wife and you are dead before you get to the door, and by the way, your wifey??? raped and murdered in front of your kids... the elite function like a gang, the left needs to have people doing the same shit or we will win nothing. they got the 2 kennedys, mlk, x, wellstone kennedy's kid..... who has our side killed????? who is winning the culture war and the country????? yep, the fuckers that kill their best opponents off....

[rainlillie]

12. From day one the republicans set out to stop and block EVERYTHING

That Obama and the Democrats proposed, to create voter frustration and make it seem as if nothing was getting done. Their brilliant plan worked, even some progressive fell for it. Yes I'd like to see the Democrats and the president take a tougher stance and push back. I'm tired of the compromising too. Time will take if they learned their lessons. Right now there still isn't one Democrat that I would vote for over Obama for president.

[LiberalLovinLug]

14. One of the very best spokepersons from the left

He never disappoints. He speaks truth to power directly without worrying about throwing caveat bones to the other side.

He's not saying anything new though. A lot of us here have been screaming at our TVs with the same message for 2 years. My gawd that was some weak ass post election speech Obama gave.

I cannot help but take up on what Michael brought up about Obama's primary and presidential campaign persona compared to his post-campaign persona. I am beginning to suspect, sadly, that he isn't the leader his speech writers combined with his oratory skills led us to believe. He convinced me that he had a real 'fire in the belly', a genuine passion to 'change' a broken system by any means. I have no problem with him starting out offering a bipartisan handshake to Republicans. But soon after, when he was bandaging that same hand he should have immediately switched tactics and pushed back at them just as hard, with congress following his lead. He should have painted them in a corner as the problem instead of constantly portraying working together with the Repukes as the solution.

[defendandprotect]

20. Corporate money has a way of throwing a lot of water on political "fire" .....

We at the least need to move to FREE TV campaign ads -- and eliminate all others.

Of the $4 billion spent this time around -- $3 billion went to campaign ads -- !!

Corporate press is complicit in keeping this system going.

So is Congress --

[Demstud]

15. The truth hurts

Ouch

[Iliyah]

16. I am one who

thinks Pres O is not weak. Thats an opinion I will not change.

[ThirdChoice]

19. if we continue to show our vote is always there for them

if we continue to show our vote is always there for them, they will never change. We need to be loyal to our ideals, not a politician. I think Obama is a good person, a wonderful man, but things need to be accomplished. This is not a time to try and get people who will never like you to like you.

[docvet]

21. Dems weak? No way!

Dems are NOT "spineless"! They are the willing, corporate-paid, Repubs' partners in crime! Let's stop trying to shut our eyes to the reality of the situation!
Not naive, stupid or simply weak. They are all, Repubs and Dems, criminals with one agenda! Where's George Carlin when we need him? He left us too soon :-(

[ThirdChoice]

23. I think we need our own "Tea Party"

Just like the Republicans are not listening to their constituency, the Democrats are not listening to Progressives. They have whored them selves out to the corporate-run establishment and come to us for our votes, and they abandon us once they get in. Obama built up his OFA 21 million email list, and then once he got in he ignored us and let Rahm Emmanuel, a total Washington-insider Establishment person run things and do the business-as-usual deals. Then they come crawling back to us one month before the midterms asking for money and votes, when he didn't even TRY to change the system.

When are we going to realize this and branch out on our own and create our own "Tea Party"?

[ProudDad]

37. Actually, Progressives and most Tea Party folk

have a common cause...they just don't know it yet...

We NEED a smaller government -- since most of the debt and a great deal of the deficit was used to build and maintain the war machine...CUT the fucking war machine (at least 50% to start)...

We NEED help to main street. Instead of throwing more money at Wall St and the banksters we should use a few hundred billion to setup local credit unions in every city and town -- to work LOCALLY to build resilient communities instead of financing billion dollar bonuses!

We NEED a "working class consciousness" to fight back against those rich, capitalist F*cks who are WINNING the class war that most of the working class refuses to recognize.

[docvet]

38. >^..^

100% Agreed!

[KeyserSoze87]

25. Great advice from Michael Moore.

Unfortunately, however, it looks like Obama isn't listening to it.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[ThirdChoice]

28. What if we....

What if we do a massive, 10 million letter writing campaign to President Obama insisting he listen to us and do the things we want done accomplished? He may only have two years left! He should go down swinging and kicking! He should bring the 12 million people network he built up with his campaign and what morphed into OFA into the policy work. Stop listening to the Rahm Emmanuels and start listening to US.

He went his and Rahm Emmanual's way and he lost us..and now he thinks if he tacks more to the center, or more to the right and "compromises" (read capitulate) to his "opponents" (read enemies) that he will have better success?

He needs to compromise with US...NOT the enemy!

[KeyserSoze87]

58. I think we should do that.

It's probably now the only way we'll be able to keep the Repugs and Teatards out of Congress and the White House in 2012.

[CmonMan]

27. Good one. nt

[ThirdChoice]

29. btw

Michael Moore will be on Lawrence O'Donnell's show again tonight.

[CmonMan]

30. Thanks for the heads up...N/T

[AzJusticeFreedom]

31. Michael Moore is always good!

[Herkamerk]

32. Agree!

[socialshockwave]

43. 1000% yes!

[underpants]

33. Mark for later

[katty]

35. Manup Obama, they want your head, not tea & sympathy!

you are wasting all your energy kissing up to these assholes.

[docvet]

41. Sucking up=consciously catapulting the agenda

He's just doing his job. he's not an idiot or naive, he's just playing his part.

[reggie the dog]

78. get me in office and i will bring my buddies as my own personal clique of

dirty deeds guys, straight out of the trailer parks near chicago these guys are....i wouldnt cave, my kid would be protected by my homies as would my wife, we would both have guns in our pockets at all times too, my fucking bodyguards would be being watched as would the people watching them but i would not cave.... my dirty deeds guys may even end up doing away with the fuckers threatening me..... in total discression of course..... like on tv in front of everyone like the did to both kennedys and mlk, or behind the secene like with kennedy jr, and wellstone, or pehaps behind closed doors execution style like they did to x.... i am part of the working masses and the god damned latifundia will never have enough gold to be happy so they kill off their opposition.... is that not plain to see??? i sometimes wonder why michael moore has not had a horrible accident yet....perhaps the actual killing is only for certain people?

[Love Bug]

36. Is he saying anything we haven't been saying for years?

Not so much to Obama, but to the Dems in congress specifically. I've been on DU since 2001 and the constant plea for the past nine years has been for Democrats to have the courage to stand up for their convictions. This has been especially important for the past two years, because, as we've seen this week, the time where they had the most influence and could get the most done was limited.

I've come to the conclusion that most of the Dems HAVE stood up for their convictions. The problem is their convictions aren't the same as ours.

[ThirdChoice]

39. Hear Hear!

We need 4 parties: the two Corporate Parties, the Teabag Party, and OUR Party.

We need a PROGRESSIVE Party.

[reggie the dog]

79. the teabaggers should be our allies

we have the same concerns economically, they just listen to propaganda masters who tell them their taxes went up when they went down. if we could get them to open their minds they would see our common enemy is the global elite who think they are better than us. if they could just let their hatred of blacks, gays, liberals etc. go they would see that there is indeed a class that merits to be hated, that of the global elite who get off on detroying countries and destroying the lives of people the world over.

[jonthebru]

42. Dear Mr. President;

Dear Mr. President,
I have expressed these sentiments before. Honestly there are many regular intelligent honest folks who have observed the trends I am mentioning here. But here's the deal:

The Republicans hate you and everything about you. They wish you only the worse that can happen. Wake up to this because when the reality hits, your entire political plan will change.
Sorry, we can't all get along and the opposing side is intent on playing to the base instincts of Humans and making you Mr President the brunt of all the perceived and imaginary troubles with our economy and culture. These people are very willing to postpone a recovery and destroy what is left to get what they want: Power, Plain and simple.
Wake up please, open you eyes please; the enemy is at the door and they do not have good intentions.
Your friend and supporter,
John

[Better Believe It]

45. Obama understands all of that Michael. He just isn't the kind of progressive you want him to be.

[L0oniX]

50. Yea ...like he ever was a real progressive in the first place.

:eyes:

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[L0oniX]

49. Notice the repukes using the "change"phrase now?

[martymar64]

51. Been saying this all along.

I really did tell you so.

[Dookiestix]

52. Oh, Michael...

You know that Dems probably wanted to lose this election cycle. These politicians on BOTH side of the aisle play us for fools so they can stay elected and continue to get that special interest money that lines their pockets as they plan and plot in collusion while keeping third parties from EVER participating in the process.

C'mon Michael...

[creeksneakers2]

54. DU missing the obvious

Of course Obama will have fights with the Republicans. He's doing a wise thing now by holding out the olive branch while the GOP admits their top priority is to get Obama (not improve America). When the fight goes down, one side is going to get the blame for all the trouble and it won't be Obama. It will be the GOP.

Suppose, and its very possible, that there will be a government shut down. How will that play out? Will Democrats stand firm if they get the blame for it?

How would it look if Obama had been belligerent today? He'd look like an angry, sore loser who was unwilling to accept the new reality or the voice of the American public. That's how angry words would have been played and what most people would have believed.

Drunken belligerence should not be confused with strategy. Many are angry and want to hear tough talk. That's the GOP's biggest weakness now. It shouldn't be the left's. Rational thinking will come back and the thick headed bullies will be shown the door. The GOP has no other moves available but total defiance.

Our day will come soon. Meanwhile, I read something good from the Democratic Strategist newsletter today:

http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/_memos/tds_SM_Dems_after_election.pdf

The most effective weapon that can be used against the GOP is unity.

[axollot]

83. I'm with you on that - while it's frustrating to hear 'sweet talk' at a time like this..

he still has to play politics. (called a Obama cheerleader today as if I have blinders on...up thread and yeah it pissed me off) Anyway - while it would have been nice to hear tough talk I think you have a good point.

The problem tho when it comes down to it the American people WANT tough talk. We need to hear him talk tough. IMHO, It was the lack of it that helped sink the Dems (along with the insane corporate $$) but it's a balancing act to do both, govern properly and lead while taking a tough stand.

The reason the CONS get aways with it, is it's all they've got. They have no answers, no new ideas so they sling mud hoping some will stick and then look like hero's to their zero's that follow them.

I'm almost doing a countdown with this new House on how long it will take before subpoenas start to fly out. Again, it will look like they are doing something but since they do not know how to actually govern they will make a lot of noise and get the hate/fear/anger machine up and running. Just hope it will blow up in their faces for once.

Cheers
/rant off
Sandy

[countrydad58]

84. I did not call

you a Obama Cheerleader. From your post you expressed no such sentiment. I was actually agreeing with you. I was calling out the suspected others, who I will not name,that are conspiculosly absent from this thread. Peace.

[axollot]

90. Thanks for clarifying. My apology for swearing at ya lol. gonna go bury head in sand now ;) n/t

[Can of Whoop-ass]

55. Well,

Obama has the power to squeeze the Bully's balls. Look out.

[Name removed]

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[colsohlibgal]

60. It's Getting Surreal

How can a supposedly smart guy, Obama, continue, right through to today, to completely misread the political tea leaves. It's stunning how wimpy he seems to want to look.

I agree 100% with Michael on a few things. Obama had better move sharply left and quit his stupid triangulating - and if he doesn't I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him challenged by someone truly progressive either.

[farmboxer]

62. Obama needs to hire Michael Moore

It is people like Moore to whom he should listen.

[denimgirly]

63. Obama only hires Republicans Only

[denimgirly]

66. K&R

[Pooka Fey]

67. Michael Moore is right on the money, as usual. KnR

[onlyadream]

75. The Dems need a PR person like Michael Moore. nt.

[INdemo]

81. I know I am opening this up for an argument but

(and I voted for Obama).. but had Hillary been elected we would not be having this conversation about defeat..
And obviously Obama is not going to change his attitude about bipartisan cooperation...I hope Hillary challenges Obama in 2012..

[TBF]

86. I remember Hillary threatening to obliterate Iran.

That is enough for me to never cast a vote for her.

[TBF]

85. Loved it. 99% of the progressive dems were re-elected, 40% bluedogs out.

Time to take back our party.

[The Uncola]

87. I predict that if ..

.. Obama doesn't do as MM says in this vid, he will be a one-termer AND looked at as a total failure.

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[ThirdChoice]

89. One thing we MUST NOT do

is automatically knee-jerk react to someone who constructively criticizes Obama and think they are the "them" in this "us vs them" two party mentality that we have become. I think Obama is a good person. I voted for him. However, when someone is not getting the job done I want done, I want him to wake up and start doing it, OR I someone else to take over.

Don't throw me in to the crowd that thinks he is born in Kenya or thinks that he is a "Marxist". I am simply a person who wants certain policies promoted and enacted, and right now I support a public option, and that is what I support. Not Obama, not Clinton...they are people. I support policies, not people.

[The Uncola]

97. When people like this one...

.. come hurling personal insults, it's pretty clear that all they are interested in is bullying others into submitting to their will. I don't do submit, I have a backbone and a voice. I'm neither intimidated or impressed by this sort of person and I don't give a damn what their opinion of me is. The only candidate I have EVER for, for POTUS that wasn't a Democrat, was John Anderson. I'm guessing that this finger-pointer wasn't even alive when that happened. As you said, I support policies also, not people and I damn sure don't owe my vote to ANY person. They will have to earn it.

[The Uncola]

96. Consider yourself reported.

[NJmaverick]

91. Moore is a fool who is no more capable of "schooling President Obama" than he

would be a grade schooler.

[ThirdChoice]

93. Kaine and the DNC

Kaine pulled a 6 figure salary for two years, and all they can come up with is a new logo? Are you serious? As Michael Moore said last night, they should have come up with this:

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

The Rahm Emmanuels and the Tim Kaines are Washington insiders who get work no matter who wins and don't care whether there is a public option or not because they are in the upper income brackets, and they are completely out of touch with the common person on the street.

[paulk]

98. I'm not a big fan of Moore

but some of his criticism in this interview is dead on.

your attitude seems to mirror that of the Obama administration - instead of listening, demean your opponent - and all too often that "opponent" is not the conservative right.

[NJmaverick]

100. Moore's actions before the election were helpful to the GOP

that is something that isn't quickly forgotten.

[paulk]

103. oh, bullshit

you really think voters who voted Republican give a flying fuck what Michael Moore thinks?

I guess someone needs to be blamed, and Moore is a good target.

That's just more of the same "bury your head in the sand" approach that got the Democrat's ass kicked this last time around.

Obama and the Democrats have real problems, and one of them is denial.

[Naturyl]

104. Rahm it.

Up your... well, you can fill in the rest.

[pettypace]

92. RE: 10:25 The point on progressives/blue dogs was deceptive

Those 99% who were relected are all in heavily minority areas (LA, Chicago, Houston, Memphis, Baltimore, Detroit, Charlotte, Oakland, San Jose), or in places where no Republican could ever be elected (New York City, Madison, Vermont, Honolulu, Boulder). The candidates in moderate districts can join the progressive caucus, but they wouldn't even get past the primary!

The blue dogs are by design from fairly moderate/conservative districts, and were in trouble last Tuesday due to those residents' anger towards Obama along with the state of affairs (unfairly or not).

John Spratt down in Rock Hill lost. This was a guy who kept his seat through all the liberal hating in the Bush years. I was amazed when I found out he got beat.

[Kahoneez]

94. Thirdchoice lives in a FANTASY WORLD .

"Hes too nice " tell that to the Pakistani civilians that are getting blown up every week or tell that to the Afghan Civilians who have to put w/ a DRUG DEALING , ELECTION STEALING criminal in office (KARZAI) who is continuously supported by another REGIME in U.S. office , not to mention the civilians blown up in Afghanistan, in the thousands And tell that to Yemenis, who have to endure special ops killing , bombing in their country and the 500 million dollar Embassy took money that would have helped U>S. Citizens .

WHO IS HE TOO NICE TO? , George BUSH ; Rumsfeld ; Cheney ; powell; rice ; and every alleged CRIMINAL that won't be prosecuted or investigated and according to Gen . Shelton's NEW BOOK the main stream media censored " BUSH attack on Iraq was based on lies " and now , it's ALL COVERED UP !!!!!!!
In addition to them, he was real nice to the CORRUPT FEDERAL RESERVE , giving them MORE POWER and OBAMA is stopping any investigation or prosecution of Corporations that violated privacy rights colluding w/ the NSA , CIA & others , THAT SPIED ON U.S. CITIZENS W/O WARRANTS .

IF u want to talk political strategy and ignore cold hard FACTS , you deserve what you get , another political suit controlled by the military industrial complex and the corrupt banking system and get ready for MORE WARS , MORE OCCUPATIONS bcs you're PAYING for THEM and more surveillance on your privacy you get to pay for too, ain't that sweet .

Be a party sheep , ignorant and in denial or wake up to the FACT , the political system IS RIGGED & CORRUPT designed to force you to support one of the two corrupt , war mongering , bank sucking political parties . I grew up !

[ThirdChoice]

101. I think people who live in a fantasy world are people who....

I noticed how you did not mention the people killed by terrorists, you only point out the people that the US military kills, safely ensconced in your basement in America safe from those guys as you type your extremist opinion on DU. Your post and others like it that are all over Internet Boards are why Stewart held the Restore Sanity Rally. IMHO opinions that completely trash the US military and ignore terrorists and the havoc they do is insane. Or is their violence given a pass by you because the "US is an evil empire"? Are they just misunderstood people that all we have to do is pull our troops out and they will put thei Koran away and get a day job and suddenly start acting normal?

I think people who live in a fantasy world are people who think that Kucinich will ever be President and world peace will happen in the next 10 years. I admire Kucinich and support movements toward peace, but I am also a realist. I loathe what is happening with the drones in Afghanistan, BUT I did support taking out some bad guys initially who were plotting to attack us. This false dichotomy that all war is bad or all war is good is also fantasy. I also do not subscribe to conspiracy theories that terrorism was created by Bush and Rove; I believe they exaggerated it a bit and exploited to their gains of course, but I do believe it is a threat.

If a bad guy is attacking my family, I would want the authorities to stop it hopefully first by using beanbags or some other non-lethal force; but if that doesn't stop it and it comes down to either that bad guy or my family...I do not hesitate in wanting the bad guy to be taken out with lethal force.

Life should be a balance, not extremes.

[Kurovski]

95. Speaking of Charlie Brown's football...

Roadhouse version (Cartoon violence warning: )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDURfLc9u0g

[ProudDad]

99. Too late, Harvard Law already "schooled him"

in the art of preservation of the Status-Quo for the good of the corporate masters of the universe...

[earth mom]

102. Where would this country be if there were more REAL progressives in DC? nt

[bobbyjoe102]

107. well said

Well said Michael

[tavalon]

109. I'm actually glad I didn't listen to this right off

I might have worried that I didn't have an original thought in my head. I'm not a Moorebot but I might as well be in this case. He said everything I've been saying since the election. I didn't have the hard numbers on the youth vote but I knew that OFA had completely squandered what they had built in 2008.