Cenk Hosting Ed Show: What Do The Democrats Stand For? (Alan Grayson Cameo)

[ihavenobias]

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Summary: Cenk Uygur (host of The Young Turks) filling in for Ed Schultz on MSNBC asks (and answers) what the Democratic party stands for after big losses in the 2010 midterm elections.

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[FiveGoodMen]

1. My fear is that many in the Dem party are smart enough to realize that what Cenk says is true

...but they don't care because they're not really trying to get a win for the people.

[rhett o rick]

5. STOP STOP. I am trying to pretend that isnt true. There is one in ever crowd to ruin my carefully

crafted denial.

[alllyingwhores]

7. DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!...WE HAVE A WINNER!

...I think you may be on to something there.

[yurbud]

12. too many are trying to win a job after they leave office as a lobbyist, CEO, or do nothing board

member.

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[jsmandrake]

3. Wow, Cenk! ...dere it is!

you're really coming into your own, Well done!
Love what you did here (circa Maddow's faux
Presidential Gulf Response)-----Yea, let's
have more of that rewriting of what the
'President Should Have Said' schtick--
You're the man that can do it!
MORE-MORE=MORE---

[HughMoran]

4. He makes some good points

Democrats messaging discipline reminds me of a football team that's been poorly coached. I've noticed Cenk is being a little less bombastic lately and he's actually offering reasonable solutions without the snarcasm - if he can control his desire to flame people he's annoyed at, then he might have an opportunity to grow his audience (ie. - me for one.)

[rhett o rick]

6. I agree that he has some good points and that he is doing better at make a good argument, but

I will miss the snarcasm.

[20score]

8. K&R!

[Barbara2423]

9. Rachel tried to tell them this months ago, did they listen? NO

Is it possible to fire Tim Kaine. What the Democrats need to do is ask for his resignation. Let's start a petition.

[markmyword]

10. Messaging 101

Amazing, here we have Cenk Uygur coming  up with a message
that the Democrats SHOULD be using. He's playing the
Republicans at their own game.

Obama has all these smart, intellectual people surrounding and
advising him, yet none of them can come up with a message that
puts the Republicans on the defensive. 

I want people like Alan Grayson, Cenk Uygur, Bernie Sanders,
Ed Schultz, Keith Oberman,and Rachel Maddow  to be asked by
Obama to tutor him in MESSAGING 101.

As little Georgie use to say "you're either for us or
against us", and that's what the Democrats have to show
the Republicans as, the party that's AGAINST the working folk
in America.

Here's hoping Cenk gets his own MSNBC show. Wouldn't that be a
line up, Ed, Keith, Rachel, Lawrence, and Cenk.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

11. I've always had a bad feeling

about Valerie Jarrett. She's very close to Barack and has a long history with him, but she's a wrong number.

Cenk's rescripted answer to who's in charge - Barack or Boehner was perfect!

K&R

[Bluesbreaker]

13. He's not entirely accurate

Cenk doesn't live out west apparently. Washington, Oregon, California, Hawaii Dems did quite well, thank you. Still his overall point holds about Democrats lack of a viable, coherent message. First step, get rid of Tim Kaine and put Howard Dean back in charge. He was a fighter, not an appeaser. Party's gone down a rat hole since Dean left.

[The Wizard]

14. Democrats should offer to

end all taxes and government services just to see how the right wing will respond.
Do what the Republicans do, offer free money, and then renegotiate on the promise once in power.
Of course Obama offered a public option and then cowered in the corner when the mean Republicans barked at him. That worked out real well.

[Lorien]

16. As long as they offer to close the Pentagon and disband the military

along with ending all taxes, since those organizations eat up most of our tax dollars. Let's see how long the repugs would last then!

[Lorien]

15. OMG

That response by Obama was so painfully weak. He really doesn't get it...or he IS a Trojan Horse!

[fascisthunter]

24. that...

is where I am at... I've seen and read enough to come to that conclusion, and what really pisses me of is the co-opting of "Progressive" and labeling of the word "Liberal" to describe his ideology. He is setting our movement back many years.

[Roci]

17. I'm forced

to disagree only in so far as your statement that "All politics is local" is a dead idea.

Quite the contrary, it is the locus of the problems for Democrats.

Politics and Government have become so detached, overgrown, and distant to most Americans that only political science majors. Politicians and Pundits have any real notion beyond (mostly out dated) "High school Civics" about how government and Politics really function inside the Beltway. That politics, all that distance, and all that "strangeness" comes home to average people in the person of the individuals they elect to Congress. That means one Representative, and on a "loftier" political plain, two Senators.

Three people. That's something people can wrap their brains around and personalize with a personal and yes, a "Party Brand."

Granting for a moment that if you walked down the streets of a large American city dispensing $100 bills to anyone who can correctly name their US Senators or (much more difficult for most) their Representative, you would never have to worry about going broke. But you'll note something else. Almost 100% of the time, the same people who can't put names to faces will know what "Brand" of Representative they have where they live.

What happened to Democrats on Election day last, was a rebuke of a political "Brand Name", rather than a rejection by and large of individuals. Remember that this was supposed to be the "winter of discontent." Incumbents were in more danger than a pump turkey on a Wednesday night before Thanksgiving. What we saw early on was "Throw the bums out!" (all except for my guy!)

What went so wrong for Democrats, but quite bluntly, is that they have done a downright LOUSY job of selling the "Brand" (and it's trademark, President Obama) to the folks at home as something good, and working and useful to the people who need it (Isn't that what good Government is supposed to be in the minds of most of the citizenry?)So anyone associated with that "Brand", got spanked, and the Public decided that "Brand X" can't be any worse. Yes, it can, and yes it will, but Democrats had such a lackluster sales force this time around, I don't think any of them could have sold snow cones on Miami Beach in 102 degree weather.

All the folks at home in 435 districts "knew" is that there are two new foreclosed houses on their block, lowering their property values, while mommy is out working two and a half jobs, while daddy who is laid off from his main job and is working part time at the big box store is at home looking after the kids, who might not get enough to eat next month, let alone an awful Christmas.

And the Democratic Brand and all it's pitch men (and women) don't seem to give a single, solitary good gosh darn. And that includes their trademark, sadly enough.

So what in the world do mommy and daddy have to lose by trying "Brand X"?

Change of this magnitude only comes when desperate folks at home get shoved into a corner, and are left with no place else to go.

No, my Friend, Tip O'Neil was right in the 70's and he's still right in the sick glow of elective ruin for Democrats. All politics is local, and unless Democrats can re-connect with the folks (in deep trouble) at home, 2012 is going to make 2010 seem like a three year old's birthday party.

[Red Knight]

18. Obama is either incredibly stupid

which I don't believe for a second--or he's a trojan horse candidate happy with one term to take care of Wall Street and then move out.

Why would you keep reaching across the aisle only to have your hand bit again and again and then have the Republicans loudly proclaim that you aren't interested in bipartisanship.

Bi-partisanship does not mean giving the Republicans every damn thing they want--but that is what it's starting to mean.

Obama's performance during the campaign was far better than the one he's tossing out while in office.

His acting is showing.

[A wise Man]

19. It seemed that the Dem. wanted to lose

they had every opportunity to get out the message to all Americans of what they had accomplished prior to these elections. They instead went into complete silence.As much as I respect the President....he wimped out on us by doing the same thing with the rethugs "PLEASE WORK WITH ME I'LL BE A GOOD BOY". Damn rethugs seem always get their way no matter what. WE ARE FUCKED NOW FOR GOOD!!!

[theFrankFactor]

20. The Democrats Are Poisoned. They Are Bought and Paid For and Citizens United Finishes the Deal

[Atypical Liberal]

21. Love me some Cenk!

I love Cenk, and I'm glad to see him moving up to the MSNBC work.

I think Cenk is dead-on. The Republican ideology has always been "tax less, spend less". Except we know it's a crock of crap - they spend like crazy but to the benefit of corporations and military spending that matches the rest of the world combined.

The Democratic Party has been identified for years as the party that taxes and spends on social programs.

Like Cenk, I don't know why they continue to run from this argument. They should embrace it! Which do you think Americans would prefer? Spending on programs that directly benefit Americans, or spending to try and bring "freedom and democracy" to the citizens of other nations?

[Roy Rolling]

22. marketing

Finally, someone who knows the game that is being played. Does anyone think there is a significant difference between the taste of Coca-Cola and Pepsi? Tests have shown, most people can't taste the difference. So decisions are made based on MARKETING not "what is best". And voters who vote against their best interest are a prime example. So, to counter Republicans, a MARKETING strategy is needed and that starts with BRAND IDENTIFICATION. Democrats need to be the "brand" of opportunity and responsibility. That is the psychology of winning minds (and votes) that business (mostly Republicans) understand but Democrats don't. I stand corrected, at least one Democrat understands it---Cenk.

[ChiciB1]

23. What Was The Name Of The Guy Who Said "OBAMA DOESN'T DO BOLD?"

Boy, does NAIL hit HEAD or what??? I simply don't know what to think anymore. Oh, sorry I think I've said this too many times of late! But TRULY, I don't recognize a Democratic President from a Repuke President these days. I'm so DEFLATED and DEPRESSED... more than I've ever been!

And I HAD thought it couldn't get worse... but it just doesn't STOP! One day it's this, no wait, we changed our minds, or THAT isn't REALLY what we meant, we REALLY meant this. No wonder this country voted out Democrats, even though Repukes will make it worse. At least they say LOUD & CLEAR what they want to do! Take Democrats down, bottom line, that's what they want. Short on specifics, but the MESSAGE they send IS getting through!

I don't know what message I'm supposed to be getting from this administration anymore. I'm NOT trying to be obstinate, I just don't know what is fact or fiction from them! Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it's going to get any better either.

:nopity: :crazy: :wtf:

[highplainsdem]

25. K&R